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| LaoLang_cool | hi, I've installed ssu stable version, how to change it to testing version? | 05:45 |
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| LaoLang_cool | hi, SOS | 06:11 |
| LaoLang_cool | I want to upgrade ssu from stable to testing, how to? | 06:12 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I find that A-GPS doesn't work in ssu vesion, after reflash to the offical version (20.2010.36-2.203.1), it works | 09:42 |
| Estel_ | nope. | 09:57 |
| Estel_ | it's just that supl.nokia.com goes fubar for N900 from time to time, for reasons unknown | 09:57 |
| Estel_ | use supl.google.com, and you will be ok | 09:57 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, oh, thank you for clarifying it | 10:01 |
| Estel_ | np yw | 10:01 |
| LaoLang_cool | I find camera in stable version doesn't have option to disable the sound, but testing has, I guess camera in stable version is official version, but in testing, it's the rewritten version, right? will it be included into stable ssu? | 10:03 |
| Estel_ | no idea. | 10:04 |
| Estel_ | I'm using testing from day 1 | 10:04 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, oh.. | 10:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: when it's me who suggests, I think nicocam will go into stable as soon as it's an optional package according to our "new" concept for apps/pkgs tagged cssu-optional | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the sense that nothing should ship with CSSU-S-core that's not absolutely needed to fix _severe_ bugs | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | everything beyond SHALL be optional, to allow maximum freedom of choice to user | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | this *might* reach the point where even pkgs like modest become optional | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...thought maybe opt-out in that case | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after all CSSU is not - and never been meant to be - an alternative distro to stock maemo, but simply the continuation of SSU which is Nokia's way to _update_ *stock* maemo | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it's been perceived one of the most annoying flaws of stock SSU that it comes in monolithic revisions like PR1.3, and every silly simple fix like the certs-fix needs another mega-bold rollout - here of PR1.3.1 | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU always had on its todo list to get away from this monolithic update all-or-nothing concept, and yes we can do in the long run | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so my vision is we stick as close as possible to stock PR1.3.1 (or whatever the future might bring ;-P), while more and more packages go optional to allow user to opt out of e.g. modest without massive hackery, and other clearly optional innovations like nicocam are opt-ins | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | there've been sound rationales why we don't need this for Testing, and why Testing actually should include _all_ optional packages. For Stable however we seem to agree we don't want to forcefeed optional stuff to users, since in the end FOSS is about freedom of choice as well as about freedom of source | 14:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | For now we have extra testing and testin and stable right? | 14:32 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer, thanks for so detail explanation! | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw :-) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope you actually read it ;-) | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and maybe even agree on the basic points | 16:39 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer, I'm trying to undersand all you have said :) | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | just ask :-) | 16:40 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer, what do you mean "opt out of modest"? does it mean that I can remove modest in future stable ssu? | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | if feasible | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it should be user-removable as long as the removal wouldn't break whole maemo | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now it's basically not removable since it's defines as a dependency of meta-pr | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | defined* | 16:50 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, got it, the feature looks cool, hope it come soon :) | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Nokia used to ship "updates" by simply increasing that meta-pr version, so it will in turn pull in new versions of all the other stuff like modest, microb, kernel, whatnot else | 16:52 |
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