IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Monday, 2012-06-25

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merlin1991http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1226908&postcount=74400:42
merlin1991:/00:42
tadzikcan't say I can reproduce :) I sometimes have my N900 running 4 days or so00:45
merlin1991my bet is on sgx recovery or how it's called, thus a reboot to fix it all00:47
tadzikbut, I'm getting more and more annoyed by the HAM autoupdate "feature"00:49
tadzikseems not to listen to gconf settings00:49
tadzik"Oh hai, I'll just eat all your bandwidth and waste some precious megabytes you paid for yesterday"00:50
tadzikwhoever thought it's a good idea deserves a slow and painful death00:50
merlin1991tadzik: there's a gconf key for that00:51
merlin1991it *should* work00:51
merlin1991at least I remember Pali/freemangordon fixing a buffer overflow regarding that setting00:51
tadzikyeah, I think I've set it a few times already, to be sure00:51
tadzikI'll probably set it once again, to be sure again00:51
merlin1991ah dang that fix isn#t in the wild yet00:52
Raimu:|00:52
tadzikeek00:53
merlin1991because 2 commits later Pali broke dependency handling :D00:53
merlin1991tadzik: it's in seconds, so set it to something like 2 days :D00:54
tadzik2 days is way too annoying for me00:55
tadzik2 years should be fine :)00:55
merlin1991hm what's the number for 2 years?00:55
tadzikmerlin1991: oh, also, turns out I'd need to hack the autocompletor after all, for the "complete the whole sentences" idea00:56
tadzikfor now it stops suggesting words when you press "space"00:56
merlin1991dang00:56
tadzikfun00:56
tadzikso I will need to set up this scratchbox magic after all :)00:57
merlin1991tadzik: 1 year is close to the overflow already00:57
tadzik:\00:57
Raimu2 years = 63 113 851.9 seconds :D00:57
tadzikthat's probably why my "4 years" didn't work00:58
merlin199135791394 is the max00:58
RaimuCourtesy of Google.00:58
merlin1991and if you hit it it just decided it always has to update00:58
merlin19913153600000:58
merlin1991one year00:58
merlin1991you should be fine with that :D00:58
tadzikyeah, should be good :)00:58
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tadzik525600 is said to be one year01:02
tadzik(the time's in minutes)01:02
merlin1991am I failing on the calculator?01:03
merlin1991hm I calculated seconds in01:03
tadzikno eye deer01:03
merlin1991and now I'm not even sure if it's minutes or seconds01:04
Raimu1 year is 525948.8 minutes.01:04
merlin1991hm that brings you nowhere close to the max, seconds it is then01:05
Estel_hey, I'm using CSSU-tets and old settings uggested on wiki01:05
merlin1991which actually makes way more sense, since the good old time() function returns seconds since whatever the startingpoint is01:05
Estel_being something like 400 years (i don't remember)01:05
Estel_and I'm fine, no update notifications01:06
Estel_WTF?01:06
* tadzik tries apt-woodchuck01:06
merlin1991dpkg -l mp-fremantle-community-pr01:06
merlin1991and tell me the output01:06
merlin1991also easy on whatever you're drinking ;)01:06
Estel_hey, i did only one typo :P01:07
Estel_214748364601:07
Estel_It's what I've set01:07
merlin1991CSSU-tets uggested ?01:07
Estel_:P01:07
merlin1991but now I understand that you didn't put that as a question01:07
merlin1991rereading is helpfull :D01:07
merlin1991or rather not jumping to conclusions01:08
Estel_mp-fremantle-c 21.2011.38-1Tm01:08
Estel_on this device01:08
Estel_and 2147483646 is working fine01:09
Estel_in old times, 2147483647 was max, so I just did 1 less01:09
merlin1991okay apt-cache policy ... if you're interested in the version then, since the juciy part after Tmaemo is missing ;)01:09
merlin1991s/juciy/jucy/01:09
infobotmerlin1991 meant: okay apt-cache policy ... if you're interested in the version then, since the jucy part after Tmaemo is missing ;)01:09
Estel_Tmaemo401:09
merlin1991*bleeding edge* :D01:10
Estel_I though CSSU-thumb is bleeding edge01:10
Estel_and that CSSU-Testing is stable01:10
tadzikI thought that's like gore-edge01:10
Estel_and that CSSU-Stable is legacy01:10
tadzikisn't there also cssu-devel or so?01:10
* merlin1991 rofls01:10
Estel_CSSu-devel is used only by maintainers, lol01:10
merlin1991tadzik: cssu-devel is about the same as -thumb01:11
merlin1991only not thumb :D01:11
tadzikheh01:11
Estel_rumors are, that we're going to ahve CSSU-kernel stable01:11
Estel_cssu-kernel testing01:11
Estel_cssu-kernel-devel01:11
Estel_in addition to today non-kernewl variants01:11
merlin1991nope.jpg01:11
Estel_and multiply it all by 3, due to thumb01:11
Estel_i know, I'm joking01:11
merlin1991:D01:11
Estel_but it looks like going for 18 version of CSSU01:11
Estel_every used by 5 people01:11
merlin1991but yeah I should call in a meeting again to assess the stability of Tmaemo401:12
Estel_it's still beoynd me why cssu-thumb doesn't become -devel01:12
merlin1991quite some stuff there I'd like to see in -stable01:12
* Estel_ nods01:12
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Estel_I would like some "people" that don't use KP to stop obstructing CSSU-kernel becoming mainline ;)01:12
Estel_whole 1 of "them"01:12
merlin1991Estel_: I'm on stock aswell ;)01:13
Estel_just out of curiosity, why?01:13
merlin1991it works xD01:13
tadzikbut... but network through usb!01:13
Estel_You don't care about batter (fixed SR) and modules for hostmode?01:13
merlin1991I have 4 n900s but only used hostmode once  :D01:14
Estel_i.e. one of main CSSU developers is using phone as phone? unebliveable :P01:14
tadzikis that even a "phone"?01:14
tadzik:)01:14
Estel_heh, i'm jutadzik, of cours eit isn't01:14
Estel_s/cours eit/course it/01:14
infobotEstel_ meant: heh, i'm jutadzik, of course it isn't01:14
merlin1991Estel_: uh sry, my *phone* is a n901:15
tadzikoh, Estel_, you're the hardware guy01:15
Estel_oh god01:15
Estel_It was joke again01:15
merlin1991but the n9 works great as a phone01:15
Estel_Yea01:15
tadzikI observed this effect recently, when I slide the keyboard (in or out), the screen blinks01:15
Estel_it's a pity that the phone is wasting 1GB of Ram :/01:15
tadzikas if it detected closing/opening wrongly01:15
Estel_selfish one, could give some to N90001:15
tadzikever seen anything like this?01:15
Estel_tadzik, possible01:15
merlin1991especially since it was for quite some time my only device with an 100% in tact modem stack :D01:15
Estel_but I would say that it's flex cable01:15
tadzikharmful? I have rebooted it once when the screen went a bit more white and stayed that way01:16
Estel_erm, i suspect that ambient light sensor just detected more light :D01:16
Estel_tadzik, shouldn't be, but You can't tell for sure01:16
tadzikno, I don't mean brighter01:16
merlin1991blergh, I just noticed that I slightly fucked up the stable changelog layout01:16
tadzikI mean, More White :)01:16
Estel_tadzik 0_o01:16
tadzik:)01:16
Estel_never seen anything like that01:16
merlin1991compare http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#T-maemo4 to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo3_.2830.03.2012.2901:16
tadzikwell, reboot did fix that01:16
Estel_ah, i though it "stayed that way" = for good01:17
merlin1991the headers on the stable page practically kill your eyes01:17
tadzikanyway, one day I'll just disassemble this thing just to see what the hell's inside01:17
Estel_merlin1991, yes.01:17
Estel_tadzik, dissasembling is easy as a cake, seriously01:17
tadzikI fixed a thinkpad with a duct tape, N900 should be similar01:17
Estel_there is 1, literally 1 tricky part01:17
Estel_assembling it again, but not whole - only connecting flex cable back01:17
tadzikI could also look at the funny microphone then01:18
Estel_I've mastered it :p but atg beginning, it took me 10 minutes or so, to connect this single cable01:18
tadzik:)01:18
Estel_what's funny about micro?01:18
tadzikpeople complain about hardly hearing me sometimes01:18
merlin1991hm I had 2 n900 on my desk that have been turned on since 5 days since I forgot about them01:18
Estel_dirt inside?01:18
tadzikand sometimes it "warms up" after a few seconds and then it's fine01:18
tadzikpossibly01:18
merlin1991and on both bme still reports 50% charge, wtf01:18
tadzikEstel_: can I safely insert a needle into it? :)01:18
Estel_merlin1991, at first I've red it as "since 5 years"01:19
Estel_tadzik, I wouldn't do it, You'll be better with dissasembling :p01:19
tadzik:)01:19
tadzikI also wonder if there isn't any kernel-ish option for "primitively boost the motherf*&@"01:19
Estel_currently, I'm thinking about replacing my 165 mA battery from bh-214, to 1000 mAh or something like that01:19
tadzikEstel_: where in Poland are you?01:20
Estel_PoznaƄ, currently, but I fluctuate between it and Warsav/Piaseczno01:20
tadzikI see01:20
tadzikif you ever find yourself in Warsaw feeling like a beer or ten, drop me a note :)01:20
Estel_merlin1991, have You seen my report about gdizzz report about CSSu update (this or some before) doing sometihng with tracker?01:21
Estel_was it the case?01:21
Estel_I just noticed I got hit by the bug too01:21
Estel_my .ogg and flac's aren't considered by tracker anymore01:21
Estel_... which resulte din being able to play only 15 music files, out of my 10 Gb music :p01:21
merlin1991hm our tracker update shouldn't affec anything of that01:22
merlin1991though it's possible that since the update yields in an uninstall - new version cycle it forgets about additional media extractors01:22
tadzikEstel_: oh, btw, this silly chinese-y sticker covering the screw was the warranty seal by any chance?01:22
merlin1991Estel_: try to apt-get install --reinstall the package in question01:23
merlin1991and I'll add it to my buglist to check it out01:23
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merlin1991hm a white shirt and a suddenly bleeding nose don't go too well together01:25
Estel_merlin1991, all right01:25
Estel_BTW01:25
merlin1991...01:26
Estel_http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220867&postcount=101901:26
Estel_^^^ merlin199101:27
merlin1991I guess he's right01:27
merlin1991ogg-support calls some dbus methods to add itself to tracker, possibly that backend that is used there gets reset on tracker upgrade01:28
merlin1991Sc0rpius: ping01:30
Estel_same for flac and other formats, probably01:32
merlin1991possibly all formats that are not supported by stock01:32
Estel_:D01:34
Estel_so, solution for now is to wait for update, or some duct tape fix possible?01:34
merlin1991Estel_: tell me what you have in /usr/share/mime/packages/01:40
Estel_lotta hell of files01:41
Estel_including 00_ogg-support.xml01:41
Estel_and 01_decoder-support.xml01:41
Estel_lotta hell of files comes form dbus-switcher, probably01:42
Estel_other than that and files I've mentioned:01:42
Estel_as-daemon.xml01:42
Estel_calendar.xml01:42
merlin1991k01:42
Estel_and some other01:42
merlin1991was just checking if 00_ogg... is there :D01:42
Estel_;)01:42
merlin1991why is there no easy to find tool to check the tracker mime database :/01:44
merlin1991Estel_: /usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/x-vorbis+ogg -a audio/x-flac+ogg -a audio/x-flac -a application/ogg -a audio/ogg01:53
merlin1991/usr/bin/tracker-register-mimetype -c Videos -a video/x-theora+ogg -a video/ogg01:53
merlin1991should duct tape it togehter01:53
Estel_aye, as i suppose, it will get overwritten by update anyway, so no need to peel tape off before doing so?01:54
Estel_I mean, no need to revert before updating CSSU one day, yep?01:54
Estel_thanks a lolt01:54
merlin1991yep no need :D01:54
Estel_merlin1991, how to force tracker to rebuild database? Maybe You remember it?02:00
* merlin1991 knew it once, can't recall atm02:01
merlin1991tracker-processes -r02:02
ShadowJKtracker-processes -r02:02
merlin1991and I just nuked my db by testing this02:02
merlin1991cpu is running hot :D02:02
merlin1991but you have to run it as user02:02
merlin1991phew02:03
merlin1991almost killed my db :D02:03
Estel_ShadowJK, merlin1991, thanks02:04
merlin1991I'll have to dive into tracker source to dump that db, dang02:04
Estel_I wonder what exactly mean "low memory mode" for tracker02:04
Estel_in it's config02:04
merlin1991I might come acroos that :D02:05
merlin1991all the tracker-* tools have not a single helpfull documented option02:05
merlin1991but for example tracker-processes doesn#t have the -r flag documented either02:05
Estel_would be good. ShadowJK, maybe You know what this settings mean, technically? Of course, in addition to using lower ammount of memory?02:05
Estel_lol02:05
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ShadowJKEstel_; nope03:06
ShadowJKtracker-processes --help documents -r03:07
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Estel_merlin1991, it seems that even after applying duct tape and rebuilding database, tracker still sees only mp3's :/05:37
Estel_i.e it ignored all my .oggs and Flacs05:37
Estel_(only effect is that it wandered to some forgotten folders, and found more mp3's)05:37
LaoLang_coolwhich pkg has the include files e.g. stdio.h05:42
merlin1991that should be in libcsomehting-dev05:43
LaoLang_coolmerlin1991, thanks, will try libc6-dev05:43
LaoLang_coolmerlin1991, what's wrong with gcc-4.6 hello.c on n900: gcc-4.6: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory05:45
merlin1991content of the hello.c?05:46
LaoLang_coolmerlin1991, the simplest hello.c, #include <stdio.h> then a main(){printf("hello, world\n";}05:46
merlin1991hmm05:47
merlin1991well I never tried to compile on device, I've always used scratchbox05:47
LaoLang_coolI'm using busybox-power05:47
LaoLang_coolDon't know if it's relative to the shell05:47
Estel_merlin1991, seen my message about duct tape non working for ogg and flac?;)06:10
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amiconnHmm. It seems this custom operator name widget is buggy11:36
amiconnI don't mind the widget being installed even if I don't need it, but if it's buggy, that *is* annoying11:37
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DocScrutinizer05amiconn: :nod:12:05
DocScrutinizer05amiconn: please elaborate on the bug, please also open a ticket12:05
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amiconnDocScrutinizer05: I'm not sure how reproducible the bug is. Last we I've been in poland and hence my phone used a roaming partner network ("Era" instead of "T-Mobile D")14:00
amiconnAfter returning to germany, the widget kept displaying "Era" even though the phone definitely used T-Mobile again (back in Berlin14:01
DocScrutinizer05amiconn: we also appreciate reports about bugs that aren't (easily) reproducable14:01
amiconnA reboot fixed that14:01
DocScrutinizer05well, that's a known and expected behaviour14:01
amiconnHmm? why?14:01
DocScrutinizer05since this text gets updated only when a new text gets sent by cell14:02
amiconnWell, T-Mobile sends no text14:02
DocScrutinizer05it's nevertheless a flaw at least14:02
amiconnThe stock widget behanved properly14:02
amiconn*behaved14:02
DocScrutinizer05the stock widget always displays name as stored to SIM14:03
DocScrutinizer05iirrc14:03
amiconnThe stock widget displays the provider name14:04
amiconnThis works for roaming as well, iirc14:04
DocScrutinizer05or rather, provider name as derived from 3 or 4 sources: SIM, table of network codes vs names in rootfs, short name from network, long name from network14:04
amiconnThis should be the default for the new widget as well, imo14:05
DocScrutinizer05CBS is overriding this by any text sent via cell broadcast SMS14:05
DocScrutinizer05I actually thionk is *is* default, unless you enable the augmented functionality in settings14:06
DocScrutinizer05anyway, file a bug please14:06
DocScrutinizer05we need to do sth about it14:06
DocScrutinizer05obviously the CBS widget should revert to default behaviour on certain trigger criteria14:08
DocScrutinizer05like roaming, timeout, whatnot14:09
DocScrutinizer05on a second thought, all other phones actually displaying this "homezone info" do so _in addition_ to the operator name, not replacing it14:10
DocScrutinizer05and I think they delete the homezone-info as soon as you do a cell handover, no matter if new cell sends a new SMSCB or not14:11
DocScrutinizer05we could probably emulate that by setting a timeout of maybe 10 minutes, counting after last SMSCB received14:12
DocScrutinizer05since we don't have direct access to cell handover events14:12
DocScrutinizer05afaik14:13
DocScrutinizer05anyway, pretty please open a ticket for it14:14
DocScrutinizer05you're free to c&p this convo to the ticket14:16
DocScrutinizer05there *might* even be an additional table codes->names in cellmo firmware14:19
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mase76hi! is MohammadAG present?16:13
DocScrutinizer05mo<tab>16:14
DocScrutinizer05rest of us just listening ;-)16:14
mase76there is a small problem with openmediaplayer since the last feature update.16:15
mase76therefor i am asking for him.16:15
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure omp is related to CSSU, but anyway...16:16
mase76right, but he's often here.16:16
DocScrutinizer05he's on #maemo as well, usually16:16
DocScrutinizer05at least he should16:16
mase76ok, i change to there16:17
DocScrutinizer05:-)16:17
DocScrutinizer05more on topic there16:17
DocScrutinizer05larger audience too16:17
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freemangordonmerlin1991: any progress on curl?16:42
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Kiborghi18:54
merlin1991hey18:56
merlin1991freemangordon: on it tonight18:56
KiborgI was checking the errors.18:58
freemangordonmerlin1991: good boy. how was the exam?18:58
merlin1991friggin insane18:58
merlin1991I hope I passed it18:58
merlin1991Kiborg: I at least will need a bit more context :D18:59
freemangordonyeah, hope... :P18:59
freemangordonhmm, maybe I should sttop trolling and do something about friggin fennec rotation18:59
merlin1991hehe19:00
KiborgAnd I can't find the error I am having. Yeah sorry doing multiple things at the same time :P. If I get a call my fone app doesn't start.19:00
merlin1991it's foobar on harm aswell which is funcy19:00
KiborgOnly the light turns on.19:01
KiborgI am on ssu stable.19:01
merlin1991did you install any mods or something for the phone ui?19:02
merlin1991ah yeah, and can you launch it manually?19:04
KiborgNo just the ssu. And the speedpatch.19:05
KiborgYes manually it works.19:06
KiborgOnly if I get a call.19:06
merlin1991hm, tbh I don't even know how it gets launched if it works properly, can I come back to you with some more questions in a few hours?19:07
KiborgOk. Btw Is there a new version in the works?19:08
merlin1991Kiborg: always :)19:09
KiborgIs it close? :)19:09
merlin1991probably coming in one to two weeks, the stuff in -testing has had quite some time19:09
KiborgCool. If I may ask, what are the best office tools for N900 and best navi program? I am using Mobile maps 10 and they it is not that stabile.19:11
merlin1991I used mappero19:12
merlin1991office tool wise, I used openoffice with easy-debian, but it's kinda slow19:12
merlin1991and tricky to use :D19:12
tadzikmappero, you say. I learn about a new navigation app every week19:13
freemangordonMM WFM very good (with newer map from Android)19:14
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KiborgI could never get sound to work in mappero.19:15
KiborgMM WFM?19:15
freemangordonmobile maps19:15
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freemangordonworks for me19:16
merlin1991Kiborg: yeah I didn't get sound to work with mappero either, but I just used the visual stuff19:16
KiborgAha.19:16
tadzikmobilemaps is the one from ovi store?19:17
KiborgI find spoken directions necessary for driving.19:17
KiborgYes it is from ovi19:18
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KiborgI am thinking of giving up and getting myself an Samsung S319:33
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amiconnfreemangordon: Do you actually use fennec? Imo it's *way* too slow to be usable?21:45
* amiconn mostly uses Opera mobile, and MicroB when he needs flash support21:45
freemangordonamiconn: thumb-compiled and neon-optimised it is 4 times faster than microb on sunspider21:45
amiconnOh?21:46
amiconnThe official package is like 5 times slower than microb21:46
freemangordoncheck the thread on TMO for the exact values, but it is 7 something like 5600ms (my desktop is 820ms)21:46
* amiconn compared 4 browsers on his N900 using http://browsermark.rightware.com/browsermark/21:49
amiconnmicrob and midori scored about the same, Opera mobile was 50% faster - and fennec 5 times slower21:52
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Siceloah, kiborg gone.. ovi maps + corsacb's server has statisfied my voice navigation needs for a while now22:53
Siceloom-voice-server22:53
Siceloor is it CormacB :/22:54
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