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| merlin1991 | hm any ideas how I'd cut the content of a text file up to a specific line into another file? | 03:02 |
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| merlin1991 | (on the commanline that is) | 03:02 |
| merlin1991 | s/commanline/commandline/ | 03:02 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: (on the commandline that is) | 03:02 |
| merlin1991 | hm awk did the job ( awk "{ print \$0 } \$0 ~ /LASTVALIDLINE/ { exit }" file1 > file2) | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1207165#post1207165 | 03:24 |
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| * merlin1991 had a look @ the clock-ui code | 03:27 | |
| merlin1991 | there is going to be some massive refactoring | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | refactoring is never a bad thing to consider | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: how about setting a "tainted" flag to version-string whenever installing anything from cssu-devel? | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | to avoid the otherwise usual "my desktop acts up on me! CSSU. please help... [bla bla blub] [more blabla] [minutes (or hours) later] Oh by the way I installed HD-act-up from cssu-devel, could it be related?" | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | we probably need a simple system-fingerprint tool, giving us a concise summary of state of user's installation (which versions of relevant pkg installed, from where) | 06:33 |
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| _freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, do you mind to rephrase a bit your warning on cssu-devel thread on TMO, Stuff like "half-baked" ,"there is no support" , etc. | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm open to any suggestion. I already anticipated there'll be objections ;-D | 09:08 |
| _freemangordon | Plus, this repo is not meant for developers, but for users who wish to help testing changes still not in "-testing" | 09:08 |
| _freemangordon | i.e. stuff commited on gitorious (bugfixes, etc) | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I definitely want avoid drifting into a situation like we see it with extras-devel now | 09:10 |
| _freemangordon | agree, but you know what caused that situation ;). I hope we wan't do the same with CSSU | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I'm not all that clear about what caused that situation | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | still pondering | 09:13 |
| _freemangordon | BTW I really meant rephrase, your statement is just too strong and partially incorrect | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and I said I'm open to ANY suggestion | 09:13 |
| _freemangordon | it was caused mainly because KP was stuck in extras-devel with no way to promote it in extras | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | just please try to consider my intention | 09:13 |
| _freemangordon | i do understand it | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I knew it been a too strong and partially incorrect statement when I posted it | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm more than happy to change it to a *better* wording | 09:15 |
| _freemangordon | well, change it then :P | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and I said I'm open to ANY suggestion | 09:15 |
| _freemangordon | the truth is there is at least one package (modest) in -devel repo with a bugfix to a critical bug, and several others with bugfixes to major bugs | 09:16 |
| _freemangordon | nah, your english is way better than mine, plus I am still having my first coffee for the day :D | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | on reasons for extras-devel mess: I think users' natural fascination of bleeding edge stuff done a good deal in making a "standard repo" out of extras-devel | 09:17 |
| _freemangordon | disagree, it was KP and a pile of sattelite applications | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | (first coffee) same here :-D | 09:17 |
| _freemangordon | could be wrong of course | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the slightly strong wording been driven by my experiences with e.g. hostmode and no warning whatsoever could keep _all_ noobs from messing with stuff they don't understand. A stronger wording may reach the minds of a higher percentage of those noobs - the savvy will analyze even incorrect warnings and classify them the right way | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | a warning "this is for devels only!" won't stop more than 5% of noobs from messing with stuff | 09:22 |
| amiconn | If it's not for developers it shouldn't be called 'devel' imo | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | amiconn: good point | 09:22 |
| * amiconn thinks of this much like the debian system: stable - testing - unstable | 09:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | in that sense each user daring to give an untested pkg a shot already joined the class of devels | 09:23 |
| amiconn | I'm by no means a linux developer, but I'm running debian unstable on my main box. From time to time I'm complaining about major breakage, but I know that it may happen and I have to deal with it. It's called 'unstable' for a reason. | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway my offer stands: I'll happily change wording to any better suggestion you may come up with - don't worry about your english, I'll rephrase it so I can stand for it anyway | 09:25 |
| amiconn | (last occurrence was two days ago, when broken dependencies removed 'ifupdown') | 09:25 |
| _freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, ok. First - it is not meant for developers, but for end-users willing to help QA candidates for next -textng | 09:26 |
| _freemangordon | *-testing | 09:26 |
| _freemangordon | second - usually it is not half-baked, as there is rare totally new stuff in CSSU, adclock will be an exclusion | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | (ps: keep in mind my option to change wording might diminish with answers to the post in that thread) | 09:27 |
| _freemangordon | sure | 09:27 |
| _freemangordon | and THERE IS support, be it on the thread or here | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, I'll rethink and change it according to your objections | 09:28 |
| _freemangordon | there could be regressions of course, but that is what QA is for | 09:29 |
| _freemangordon | etc., etc., | 09:29 |
| _freemangordon | :) | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | once coffee kicked in ;-) | 09:29 |
| _freemangordon | yeah | 09:29 |
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| arcean | harmattan | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | arcean: hm? | 17:08 |
| arcean | wrong window :D | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :) | 17:08 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991, ping | 20:36 |
| merlin1991 | pong | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, hard times ahead :D. I need kernel-cssu project on gitorious | 20:37 |
| merlin1991 | uh oh | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | kernel-cssu? how does it sound? | 20:37 |
| merlin1991 | well it's the black magic thumb kernel so dunno | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | no, it will be only ine kernel, and as we discussed with DocScrutinizer, there will be an sysfs entry for enabling thumb errata | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | *one | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | which will be disabled by default, so if ome day a decision is taken CSSU to include its own kernel, there will be no problem | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | I just hope you find a init script that fires early enough to set it brefore anything thumb starts | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | there is one, the same that bootmenu uses | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, also have in mind that "core" system libraries won't be thumb-compiled, after all we need maximum performance for memcpy and such | 20:42 |
| freemangordon | only memory/disk space hungy stuff (like Qt, gtk) and those that are always active (hd,hh, etc) will be. At least that is the plan | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | s/hungy/hungry/ | 20:44 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: only memory/disk space hungry stuff (like Qt, gtk) and those that are always active (hd,hh, etc) will be. At least that is the plan | 20:44 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 21:05 |
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| amiconn | Is there a reason why the thumb fixes couldn't be permanently enabled? | 21:30 |
| amiconn | Also if this is thumb2, there should be no performance impact from using it for everything (since thumb2 can mix thumb and arm instructions) afaik | 21:31 |
| amiconn | Actually the opposite might happen, because more code fits into the cache | 21:32 |
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| freemangordon | amiconn, enabling thumb errata workaround slows down the CPU and that would have negative effect if there are no thumb-compiled binaries | 21:36 |
| amiconn | Is this workaround described somewhere? | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | yes, all over the internet | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | google for "errata 430973" | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | in effect it flushes BTB on every context switch | 21:39 |
| amiconn | Ah ok | 21:48 |
| * amiconn wonders how much performance this actually costs | 21:48 | |
| amiconn | Wild guess: a few percent | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | yeah, from my end-user POV I don't see much of a difference if any | 21:52 |
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| Raimu | Any benchmark software that one could use for at least some crude measurement? | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | Raimu, let me first make the kernel :) | 22:15 |
| Raimu | Yes, Sir! | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | why is that? seriously, to test now performance degradation because of thumb errata workaround, you have to use latest Pali's u-boot and KP49 | 22:17 |
| Raimu | Yeah, I'm not in a hurry. :) | 22:18 |
| Raimu | Just thinking out loud. | 22:18 |
| Raimu | freemangordon, by the way I got rid of multiboot finally after our short chat one day. | 22:22 |
| Raimu | No migration pains anymore, heh. | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | and? how is u-boot? | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | aah, yeah | 22:22 |
| Raimu | No comment yet. :) | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | btw which kernel do you use? | 22:23 |
| Raimu | kp50 | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | well, now you have (hopefully) latest u-boot, you can install KP49 modules and bootimg and test how is the performance with thumb errata workaround enabled | 22:24 |
| freemangordon | NFC what benchmark to use | 22:25 |
| Raimu | Yup, thanks. | 22:26 |
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