IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2012-05-02

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int_uaAnyone from OMP team?01:34
int_uaI'd like to add Ukrainian translation01:35
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int_uamerlin1991: thanks :) I've sent him a message and waiting for a reply because I'd like to use native transifex interface02:04
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DocScrutinizerwtf is OMP?03:24
merlin1991open media player03:24
DocScrutinizeraaah03:24
DocScrutinizermohammediaplayer03:24
merlin1991that's the other name for it :D03:25
DocScrutinizer19° at 2_30 in the night, and a distant thunder. I *love* this mood03:27
DocScrutinizer~weather03:27
DocScrutinizermeh03:28
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN03:28
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.05.02 0020 UTC; Dew Point: 55 F (13 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1014 hPa); Relative Humidity: 82%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: 60 F (16 C); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT)03:28
merlin1991dunno03:34
merlin1991my eyes are dying03:34
merlin1991I need to get up soon to take my antibiotics in time, and I'm still waiting for a dist-upgrade here03:35
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* merlin1991 needs to remember NOT to start a dist-upgrade @ 1am in the morning03:39
merlin1991It's the third time I made this mistake now xD03:39
amiconn~weather EDDT03:39
infobotBerlin-Tegel, Germany; (EDDT) 52-34N 013-19E 37M; last updated: 2012.05.02 0020 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.00 in. Hg (1016 hPa); Relative Humidity: 72%; Temperature: 62 F (17 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (010 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT)03:39
amiconnah03:39
LaoLang_cool~weather03:41
LaoLang_cool~weather Nanjing03:42
infobotI can't find station code "NANJING" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).03:42
merlin1991~weather LOWW03:43
infobotWien / Schwechat-Flughafen, Austria; (LOWW) 48-07N 016-34E 190M; last updated: 2012.05.02 0020 UTC; Dew Point: 48 F (9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1014 hPa); Relative Humidity: 59%; Temperature: 62 F (17 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (250 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT)03:43
DocScrutinizer~weather znsj04:02
infobotI can't find station code "ZNSJ" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).04:02
DocScrutinizer~weather zsnj04:02
infobotNanjing, China; (ZSNJ) 32-00N 118-48E 12M; last updated: 2012.05.02 0000 UTC; Dew Point: 57 F (14 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.83 in. Hg (1010 hPa); Relative Humidity: 77%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 64 F (18 C); Visibility: 1 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 4 MPH (4 KT)04:03
* DocScrutinizer smiles at ~identical weather at 4 different locations04:05
merlin1991~weather 1103504:07
infobotI can't find station code "11035" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).04:07
merlin1991bah04:07
amiconn~weather EDDB04:07
merlin1991http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nsd_lookup.pl?station=1103504:07
infobotBerlin-Schoenefeld, Germany; (EDDB) 52-23N 013-31E 50M; last updated: 2012.05.02 0050 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.97 in. Hg (1015 hPa); Relative Humidity: 77%; Temperature: 60 F (16 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (010 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT)04:07
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: any idea how I could get that station?04:08
DocScrutinizerhm?04:12
DocScrutinizerwhich one?04:12
merlin19911103504:18
merlin1991or even better 1103404:18
merlin1991http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nsd_lookup.pl?station=11034 which would be the most accurate for me04:19
merlin1991only 11036 has an icao index but that one is far away from me :/04:21
amiconnLooks like only icao codes are possible. According to http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/infobot/trunk/src/Modules/Weather.pl?revision=1927&view=markup infobot directly calls one of the html files from http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/04:51
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DocScrutinizeramiconn: so is this a limitation of the called html noaa.gov website, or is there sth to get patched in infobot?06:06
DocScrutinizeramiconn: if the latter, I probably can speed up and facilitate things a bit, when I get a hold on Tim06:07
DocScrutinizerI.E. a patch file could get applied in a few days06:08
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DocScrutinizernevermind, here the available stations: http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/06:13
int_uaAre there any other CSSU-related translations hosted on Transifex besides OMP and n900-extra-translations?07:02
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Palifreemangordon, merlin1991, what about include open media player, rewritten clock UI and calendar home widget into CSSU?12:58
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Paliopen media player seems be stable13:09
MohammadAGAren't there some occasional crashes?13:10
MohammadAG(Which could probably be fixed by using QPointer)13:11
PaliMohammadAG, I did not get any crashes for 1 month13:12
MohammadAG1 tester isn't enough13:13
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PaliMohammadAG, so we need more testing?13:34
Palithen other people and from TMO can test it too13:35
MohammadAGWe've seen what happened with camera-UI13:35
Palibut if we do not push it to cssu-testing (or cssu-devel) we will not see real problems13:37
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Lava_Crofthttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/401589_413468522010419_100000418249745_1437710_388073361_n.jpg14:51
Lava_Croftthere you go14:51
Lava_CroftI asked them how many in stock14:51
Lava_Croftdude took 8 minutes to find out that the one on this picture is their last in stock14:51
Lava_Croftits the MediaMarkt in Alkmaar14:51
Lava_Crofthave fun with it14:51
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Raimu:)16:50
RaimuOh my god, it has all the arrow keys!16:50
* Raimu has now realized why people actually bother mapping game keys to arrow keys and why his FI model doesn't cut it16:51
RaimuWe need to press blue-left for arrow-up and blue-right for arrow-down. :P16:53
* Raimu feels dumb16:53
DocScrutinizerRaimu: that's why I swapped all my DE keymats to US17:10
DocScrutinizer(the real reason is I can't learn by heart the US layout, so I need the correct keycap printings - of course the logical layout will be proper US if you switch to US keyboard in settings, just it doesn't match the printing on keys anymore then)17:12
RaimuYup.17:12
DocScrutinizerbtw this Fn+cursor for up/down is not only annoying, it also defeats proper mapping of Fn+UP to page-up or home, whatever you prefer17:16
RaimuCan you map Fn+shift+up?17:49
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freemangordonPali, I just can't imagine how we are going to support adeclock without anyone of us knowing a line of code. Otherwise if it is stable, why not. Re OMP - I think there are still crashes, didn't test wor a while, maybe will give it a shot again. NFC what calendar home widget is.18:48
Palinicolai's calendar widget: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5501818:53
freemangordonPali, first bug in OMP - rotate to portrait an start a video ;)18:55
freemangordon*and18:56
freemangordonand ind continues to crash18:56
freemangordon*it18:57
freemangordonit is gust nowhere to be ready even for testing18:57
freemangordonon the other hand we can pull it in CSSU if you think the current developer will speedup bug-fixing18:58
freemangordonMohammadAG, after all you are the creator of OMP, do you have will to put a little effor in it again?18:59
DocScrutinizerif we're going to abandon mediaplayer in favour of any at best halfbaked alternative now, after we already did that with camera, I promise I'll abandon CSSU at large19:02
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, AIUI Pali was just asking, and if it depends on me, OMP will enter CSSU only and only if it is feature-complete and there are no known bugs at least. Which is not the case as for now19:04
DocScrutinizerno objection to offering freedom of choice to CSSU users. But forcing a new stuff as replacement for something proven to "work" is a killer19:04
merlin1991imo we don't need omp in cssu19:05
merlin1991it lives happily in extras19:05
freemangordon:nod:19:05
freemangordonextras-devel :D19:05
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: +++19:05
merlin1991and if you want fully system integration like me you just adjust the dbus service file from the stock mediaplayer19:05
merlin1991s/fully/full/19:05
infobotmerlin1991 meant: and if you want full system integration like me you just adjust the dbus service file from the stock mediaplayer19:05
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: +++19:05
freemangordonand what about adeclock19:05
DocScrutinizeras it should've been done with camera already19:06
merlin1991like you said nobody knows the code19:06
freemangordonbut we could put it in CSSU in the same way as it is now with orientation lock applet in stable19:06
MohammadAGCamera actually has to be replaced19:07
MohammadAGHad*19:07
MohammadAGRunning both conflicts19:07
MohammadAGfreemangordon: yes, I do19:07
merlin1991MohammadAG: how's your scratchbox?19:07
freemangordon:D :D :D19:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that'S a terribly poor argument19:08
MohammadAGI'll see if the code base is understandable19:08
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Life's unfair :p19:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: in fact that's a good reason NOT to replace it19:08
MohammadAGLet's not start this again :p19:09
freemangordonMohammadAG, running stock MP and camera-ui from CSSU dos not conflict, that is what I am using for the last year or so. What do you mean?19:09
DocScrutinizerwhile the supposed 'conflict' is simply due to developers not caring to solve that issue19:09
freemangordonwhat conflict?19:09
merlin1991freemangordon: the conflict is between stock camera-ui and cssu camera-ui19:09
MohammadAGfreemangordon: What would opening the lens cover do?19:09
freemangordonstart the camera19:09
MohammadAGOh nvm, you misunderstood19:09
freemangordonyeah19:10
merlin1991MohammadAG: now what about that scratchbox of yours?19:10
MohammadAGWalking to dorms, gimme 10 and I'll be back19:10
freemangordonBTW I think after all we should put operator widget in the next update19:10
freemangordonI think jonwil will be angry on us otherwise19:11
DocScrutinizer"duh, I CBA to make my camera app not conflict with stock camera, so whatyagonnado? simple: nuke stock camera" BWAHAHA19:11
* MohammadAG ponders changing nick to TheTerminator19:11
MohammadAGMy camera app? Stock would conflict19:11
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, indeed, lets not start that again19:11
* merlin1991 sits in front of some uni assignment is wandering WTF the output Z and N are on a 16 bit alu19:11
merlin1991s/wandering/wondering/19:12
DocScrutinizerZero and Negative?19:12
merlin1991I get the part where the result goes out, and carry on (C) but what is Z and N? :D19:12
freemangordonyep19:12
* merlin1991 is still not wiser :D19:13
DocScrutinizerEH?19:13
freemangordonand the bus widths should not matter re flag register contents :D19:13
merlin1991might be due to the fact I never was @ uni when they explained stuff :D19:13
DocScrutinizerZero == (ACCU = 0), Negative == (ACCU<0)19:13
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, btw N could be S too19:14
DocScrutinizerSign, sometimes yes19:14
DocScrutinizeras it just represents most significant bit of accu19:15
freemangordonactually in x86 it is S19:15
* merlin1991 searches for the book, since he doesn't even know wtf accu stands for19:15
MohammadAGWay too bored of physics and math this year19:15
merlin1991btw I'm looking @ micro16 architecture here19:15
freemangordonmerlin1991 accumulator19:15
freemangordonthe register which is used th result from the operation to be stored19:15
freemangordonthink AX19:16
DocScrutinizeron some CPU architectures there's no dedicated accu19:16
freemangordonARM being one of them? :)19:16
DocScrutinizerthen the flags represent results of last arithmetic op done on any register19:16
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: iirc yes19:17
DocScrutinizerARM can do complex arithmetics on any of R1..R??19:18
DocScrutinizerSP, PC, all are some R14, Rdunno19:18
DocScrutinizerso yes, there's quite likely nothing like an accumulator in ARM19:18
merlin1991guys I went from just knowing about flipflops, & | and other easy stuff last week to some 16 bit alu today19:19
merlin1991and i'm kinda lost19:19
freemangordonwhile x86 cannot multiply, divide, whatever the other operations were on a random register19:19
freemangordonmerlin1991, ALUs should be easy, add and shift, see :)19:20
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: R5=R7+#3 -> ALU calculates content of R7 + "3" and stores to R5, while ALU's Z, N, C etcd flags that represent certain test results of that calculation are stored to some special place called status or flag register19:20
merlin1991freemangordon: tbh the shift is easier to grasp for me :D19:21
DocScrutinizersince result is stored to R5, you could also consider Z, N, C etc valid for R5 at that very moment19:22
merlin1991but I found the right book (still in plastic xD) and am reading the right chapter now :)19:22
freemangordonwell, the ALUs from the early days of CPUs are just that, you can easily implement such ALU by using just standard TTL logic19:22
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.qrc0001m/QRC0001_UAL.pdf19:23
freemangordoneverything - multiplication, division, substraction is done only using add and shift19:24
DocScrutinizersee column "S updates" for what each opcode actually does to status flags19:24
MohammadAGAdd and shift?19:24
freemangordonyep :)19:25
MohammadAGSo theoretically, 2+0 is faster than 2*1?19:25
freemangordonyep19:25
MohammadAG(while in practice the difference is mus19:25
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: also see "Condition field" page 6 of that card19:25
MohammadAG)19:25
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freemangordonthat was the biggest problem of CISC19:25
MohammadAGAnd calculators work the same?19:25
freemangordonthat you cannot predict how many cycles the instrunction will take, so no correct scheduling19:26
freemangordonMohammadAG, NFC, maybe it depends on the generation19:26
merlin1991rofl, gotta love this book, the text has C,N,Z but the picture above only contains N and Z19:27
freemangordonMohammadAG, have in mind we are talking about integer operations here, maybe the calculators have more advanced FP unit19:29
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, how is the correct english term for the type of code you should feed suc add-shift alu with, google translates it to "additional code" from bulgarian, but I don't think it is correct19:30
DocScrutinizersorry, you lost me19:31
DocScrutinizeryou mean microcode?19:31
DocScrutinizerthe hidden "program" that does a div on x86?19:32
freemangordonno, when you want to substract with add-shift alu, you should invert the subtrahend ann add 119:34
freemangordonand there is a term for that, I just cannot remember/never know it19:34
freemangordonnevermind19:35
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer, it is "two's complement"19:41
freemangordon:)19:41
freemangordonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_complements19:41
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DocScrutinizeryay19:47
DocScrutinizertoo basic for my radar, sorry :-D19:48
DocScrutinizertwo's complement it the "natural change-sign"19:48
DocScrutinizera-b == a+(-b) where "-b" == two's complement of b19:49
MohammadAGfreemangordon, just a note, I think qDebug() slightly slows function returns19:50
MohammadAGso I hope these can be switched off query 0x553ad8 complete19:51
MohammadAGMainWindow::onSourceUpdating( progress = 0 , processed_items = 0 , remaining_items = 0 , remaining_time = -1 )19:51
MohammadAGMainWindow::onSourceUpdating( progress = 100 , processed_items = 0 , remaining_items = 0 , remaining_time = 0 )19:51
DocScrutinizereach CPU/ALU has complement (or xor with arbitrary - here all-"1") as well as two's_complement aka change-sign19:51
freemangordonMohammadAG, where is that from?19:51
DocScrutinizerreally cool are ARM's instructions group "saturate"19:53
MohammadAGfreemangordon, stderr19:53
MohammadAGalso, "Disconnect headset to pause" isn't the best translation19:53
DocScrutinizeras well as the "count zeroes"19:53
MohammadAGit should "Pause music when headset is disconnected19:53
MohammadAG"19:53
MohammadAGbesides those two points, it seems OMP shaped up well :')19:54
DocScrutinizerbtw ARM *has* an accu, see e.g "move data"->"40-bit accumulator to register" XS19:55
DocScrutinizers/XS/MAR/19:55
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: btw ARM *has* an accu, see e.g "move data"->"40-bit accumulator to register" MAR19:55
DocScrutinizerMoveAccu->Register19:55
MohammadAGoh and I don't like how the album art resizes with no transition, but that's probably cause I use iOS a lot and expect that :P19:56
MohammadAGlet's see19:56
DocScrutinizerRBIT19:57
MohammadAGVideo still flickers when tapped to show controls <-- regression from stock MP19:57
DocScrutinizer:-D19:57
freemangordonMohammadAG, yeah19:57
freemangordonand it does not rotate to landscape if started in portrait19:58
MohammadAGI thought I fixed that...19:58
DocScrutinizeryou need like 20+ instructions for RBIT on a 'regular' CPU19:58
MohammadAGin fact, it does19:58
MohammadAGfreemangordon, forced rotation?19:59
MohammadAGooh, UPnP20:00
freemangordonMohammadAG, could be20:03
freemangordon:)20:03
MohammadAGI'm impressed, the code base seems to be improved20:04
MohammadAGin fact the only thing I hate is home.cpp/h20:04
MohammadAGand FreqDlg, it's good practice to have useful full names20:04
DocScrutinizerhonestly, I don't see use of implementing more and more gimmicks like transitions for cover art sizing into OMP, when elementary functions like editing playlists in a bearable (not even asking for convenient, useful) way are painfully missing20:12
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I just need someone who's good at implementing custom Qt widgets20:14
MohammadAGyou should know lots of those20:14
DocScrutinizercut song from playlist, insert song at arbitrary position in playlist, all derived cmds from those elementary operations like delete song from PL, move song up/down in PL, do all this with a selection of songs. Then commands like "stop after this song", "skip to $destination in PL after this song"20:15
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DocScrutinizerwell, maybe the last one is a tad over the top :-)20:18
MohammadAGhttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRHvNtn380j--Dgj0R9A_8Cd-N68q0kQebXkug8hr13bFIelWAFoqExwjn DocScrutinizer20:19
DocScrutinizerplus still the most annoying shortcoming of the whole pile: no gapless playback20:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what you're telling me?20:21
merlin1991MohammadAG: how is your freaking scratchbox ffs20:32
MohammadAGmerlin1991, as always20:52
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I'm planning to reinstall Ubuntu 12.0420:52
merlin1991when?20:52
MohammadAGor upgrade, then reinstall scratchbox20:52
MohammadAGwhen I'm home, which should be tomorrow20:52
MohammadAGunless I make an accident or sth20:52
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that's what's needed to edit playlists20:53
MohammadAGa list with cells that have handles20:53
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merlin1991bah implementing multiplikation in that architecture is gay21:58
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I know why I'm going todo the sw side22:05
merlin1991this is driving me crazy here :D22:05
merlin1991though I progress steadily so it isn't that bad :)22:05
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