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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: merlin1991 MohammadAG Pali: I suggest to ship a confighelper pkg with next CSSU, that (for now) rises a requester asking "do you want to fix your GPS and set supl server to 'supl.google.com' instead 'supl.nokia.com' which since at least Dec 2009 is known to be unreliable?" | 17:36 |
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| Pali | do we know which script/program/binary chaning supl server back to nokia? | 18:12 |
| Pali | there was a bug reported about it | 18:12 |
| freemangordon | nfc | 18:53 |
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| merlin1991 | M$ docs are foobar | 19:16 |
| * merlin1991 headdesks a lot | 19:16 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: which bug report? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | CND | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | gimme the ticket number so I can close as WORKSFORME | 19:44 |
| Pali | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12547 | 19:46 |
| povbot | Bug 12547: Changing sim reverts to Nokia's AGPS settings | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the record (since already mentioned in #maemo): add to confighelper postinstall: | 19:46 |
| Pali | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12429 | 19:46 |
| povbot | Bug 12429: Stop using Nokia's AGPS host | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-send $requester_yes_no && gconftool --setkey /system/nokia/location/supl/server string "supl.google.com" | 19:46 |
| Sicelo | might be PEBKAC (lol) but i seem to recall that if you disable A-GPS in settings, with supl.google, you will have to re-enter it on next re-enablement of A-GPS as it will be supl.nokia again.. | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | 12547 is almost INVALID | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | 12549 is absolutely INVALID | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 12429 I meant | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, why? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually 12547 IS invalid, it's a feature and not a bug when you can set supl per SIM | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | the program you just wrote fixes exactly that | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, are you sure it is per SIM? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | My program does exactly what I told: it suggests user to switch to supl.google.com | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: the only sane explanation | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | and fixes 12429 | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | your program i mean | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't fix 12429, it's BS | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia, if anything, should fix their friggin broken supl.server, NOT implement an alien random google/whatever service as default | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw what default anyway? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | when the fsck is this default getting applied? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | when you buy a new device? when you reflash VANILLA? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, fould mood. Not realtey to any of you | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so please excuse my harsh wording | 19:54 |
| Pali | what about resolving supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com via dnsmasq? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hy would we want to do that? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | why* | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to annoy users? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | to confuse them? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | KISS! | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's really no issue at all except users' devices pointing to supl.nokia.com when users better hat changed that to supl.google.com | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing to fix, no fancy tweaking in etc/hosts | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no RE of settings_location applet | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no obscure defaults that need to be fixed | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just inform user "hey there's a setting you better had changed. maybe you missed the street rumour. would you like me to fix this setting for you right away, or will you deal witj it lateron in settings-location?" | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do this exactly one time, on installation of the 'app', when it ships with next CSSU rev | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you *might* even check if [ $(gconftool -g /system/nokia/location/supl/server) == supl.nokia.com ]; then... | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | avoiding nagging of users who laready did the recommended setting change | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... else dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Congrats! your supl server already is updated"; fi | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ever we get some other configs "fixes" to deploy to CSSU users, we update the pkg | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, starhas-enabler comes to mind | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost same class of "config fix", though without a proper GUI in stock to really select this. Then OTOH why would *anybody* want to forbid SSC getting handled the way ITU demands? | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't thik of any user who wants to dial *#67# to see an ERROR message | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | for supl users may want to keep nokia as they service provider | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | their* | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no way we'll make them think it's supl.nokia.com while etc/hosts diverts this to supl.google.com | 20:19 |
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| * jonwil wonders if there will ever be another CSSU update... | 20:47 | |
| freemangordon | jonwil, hi | 20:48 |
| jonwil | hi | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | Do you still look for stuff to be REd | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | ? | 20:48 |
| jonwil | depends what it is | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | well, control panel applet | 20:49 |
| jonwil | is there something specific you want looked at? | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:49 |
| jonwil | which one? | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | libcellularsettings.so | 20:49 |
| jonwil | what specifically do you want from it? | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | we want to onclude your cell broadcasts applet functionality in it | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | because of the UI consistency | 20:50 |
| jonwil | ok | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | those settings belong to "Phone" control panel applet | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | I have some initioa RE stuff | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | *initial | 20:51 |
| jonwil | aha yeah I remember trying to reverse engineer libcellularsettings.so before | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | well, we can share the job | 20:51 |
| jonwil | but figuring out all the APIs it calls (the ones that live in libconnui and libconnui_cellular) was just too hard | 20:51 |
| jonwil | so I basically gave up | 20:51 |
| jonwil | Unless you have skills I dont in that area... | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | well, if we sahre the job, who knows | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | *share | 20:52 |
| jonwil | I dont know that I have the time to reverse engineer this stuff either | 20:52 |
| jonwil | but mostly its a case of trying to figure out these functions and basically giving up because they were too complicated | 20:53 |
| jonwil | especially where callback functions or data structures are involved | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | well, that will be a blocker then, this applet is a complicated one and will need lots of time | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | jonwil, I know, I did some RE already and saw it is just not a task for a single one | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | that is why I was asking for your help | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | do you keep your IDA project? | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | (I suspect you are using IDA" | 20:55 |
| jonwil | I dont know if I have it | 20:55 |
| jonwil | and yes I do use IDA | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:55 |
| jonwil | but I dont know where my idb file is | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | damn | 20:55 |
| jonwil | which version of IDA do you use? | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | 6.1 | 20:56 |
| jonwil | yeah same | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | i think it is the latest one | 20:56 |
| jonwil | well the one I have is the latest leaked version :) | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | (on piratebay at least :D ) | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | BTW do you know if hexrays is available for ARM? | 20:57 |
| jonwil | it is | 20:57 |
| jonwil | but it hasnt been leaked | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | well, we need to find someone to leak it then | 20:57 |
| jonwil | :P | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | :D | 20:57 |
| jonwil | good luck | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | yeah, thanks | 20:58 |
| * freemangordon is afk | 20:58 | |
| jonwil | to buy ARM hexrays would cost over 3000 US | 20:59 |
| jonwil | btw, if hell froze over and we could get more code from Nokia, the connectivity UI bits (control panels, status bar widgets etc), the hildon-input-method stuff, the ICD daemon and its plugins and the systemui daemon and its plugins would be the items on my list :P | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | jonwil, what was that question you'd asked, whether there will be another update? | 21:04 |
| jonwil | yes | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | we had an update just a week or so ago | 21:04 |
| jonwil | i.e. will there be another CSSU update anytime soon | 21:04 |
| jonwil | oh ok | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | well, TBH i expect new update "soon" as there is lots of stuff fixed in ke-recv and few libs | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | since the last one | 21:05 |
| jonwil | what is the version # of this CSSU update and whats the link to the download? | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | BTW if you want to contribute to CSSU you may want to check here | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | https://garage.maemo.org/pm/task.php?group_project_id=3864&group_id=2300&func=browse | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | it is in the topic :P | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo3.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3' | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | link to download? | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | use HAM | 21:07 |
| jonwil | I guess what I really wanted to know is if/when my operator-name-cbs-widget will go into CSSU. But your comments about the control panel widget earlier have answered that for me I guess | 21:09 |
| jonwil | since you seem to imply that having a separate cpl for it just makes no sense for CSSU :) | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | jonwil, i think it is in latest -testing, lemme check | 21:10 |
| jonwil | ok | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | hmm, seems it is not :( . | 21:15 |
| jonwil | ok, so what has to happen to make it into the next version (the one you said was due soon because of the ke-recv stuff) | 21:15 |
| freemangordon | better ask merlin1991 | 21:16 |
| jonwil | ok | 21:16 |
| jonwil | I did ask merlin before but it seems like it keeps getting missed for some reason | 21:16 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil, maybe he has some other things to do, usually he is here and responsive | 21:24 |
| jonwil | I think its that he said "yeah that can go in" but then never acts on it | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: I pushed quite a bit to get the libsms and your operator widget into last CSSU-T | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno if it made it there, thought it should've | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or maybe there was misssing testing bhy a few guinea pigs? | 21:37 |
| jonwil | freemangordon says it didnt | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, check chanlogs, search for libsms | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also check changelog | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: actually we missed you around here | 21:44 |
| jonwil | ok, zzz time, later guys | 21:46 |
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| merlin1991 | dang | 22:30 |
| merlin1991 | just wanted to answer jonwil | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pff aussie | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed a bit unfortunate when people leave more than they stay, on IRC | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IRC is actually a always-online medium, basically | 23:43 |
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| mase76 | hi! please read this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1192558#post1192558 | 23:52 |
| mase76 | what do you think? | 23:52 |
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