IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Friday, 2012-04-13

merlin1991actually you don't want fremanlte for -extras00:00
merlin1991fremanlte in -extras is pr 1.100:00
DocScrutinizerduh00:00
merlin1991since there was an abi break from 1.1  to 1.200:00
DocScrutinizermhm00:00
DocScrutinizerso they changed extras catalog with update00:00
merlin1991yep00:00
DocScrutinizerwell fremantle-1.3 for extras then00:01
merlin1991to say that the maemo infrastructure is complicated is an understatement :D00:01
DocScrutinizerfrematle without anything for -testing/-devel00:01
int_uaso the fremantle-1.3 is the right one?00:01
DocScrutinizerfor extras00:02
int_uaok00:02
DocScrutinizerif you're on pr1.300:02
DocScrutinizerthe symlinks for testing/devel are just ... rudimentary00:03
DocScrutinizeror at least I can't see what for they were meant00:04
merlin1991Isn't it obvious?00:04
merlin1991they are there to confuse users xD00:04
DocScrutinizerhehehe00:05
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: oh hi again00:06
javispedrohi00:07
tadzikis anyone using BatteryPatch and has an idea why does it _over_clock the phone CPU?00:25
merlin1991tadzik: battery "patch" is frowned upon in here :D00:32
tadzikI see. It's description made me suspiscious00:36
DocScrutinizerdon't use batterypatch, it's pile'o AFAIK00:40
DocScrutinizera big hoax00:40
DocScrutinizerdone by a script kiddie with no clue apparently00:40
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ShadowJKMight help with race to idle. Not helping the dwindling availability of working N900s04:52
DocScrutinizeron same topic: I wonder if omap3530 are available still, for spare/repair&refurbish04:53
DocScrutinizerI'd think if you could manage to swap digitizer and SoC, you can happily buy used N90004:55
DocScrutinizerpreferably omap3530 with proper POP chip04:57
DocScrutinizerwhile swapping whole SoC might be feasible, I'd not like to swap the POP04:57
DocScrutinizerI actually even wonder how they managed to avoid the POP "falling off" during reflow. Glued?04:59
DocScrutinizersimple adhesion04:59
DocScrutinizer?04:59
DocScrutinizerdang, a OMAP3530 binned for 1GHz+, with a 1GB RAM (+NAND) POP, that might actually be worth the effort05:03
DocScrutinizerI'd get me a poper SMT reworking station and would buy all the N900 I could get05:05
DocScrutinizerswap SoC, swap digitizer, put the thing into a new white case, sell -> profit05:06
DocScrutinizerof course isbfix :-D05:07
DocScrutinizerUSBfix*05:07
DocScrutinizerif only TI had put an "odometer" in their CPU05:16
DocScrutinizerpersistent one05:16
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dafoxhi all. I just tried to update my phone, but now it seems to have gotten stuck. The screens says '(no updates available)', and only that, no controls etc. It doesn't seem to respond to any keypresses other than turning the screen on again. What do I do now?13:23
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Lava_Croftapple cleaning cloth > n900 cleaning cloth13:51
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dafoxLava_Croft: any idea on how to handle the above situation?15:01
Lava_Croftno:( sounds bad15:01
dafoxwhat would happen if I just turned it off in this state?15:02
dafoxcould I just try to update again? (assuming it still boots)15:02
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tadzikif I were you I'd just reboot it. What kind of update was it?15:07
tadzikalso, do you happen to have an ssh server installed, and the phone connected to the network of some sort?15:07
dafoxit was a ssu update, I think, it also included some other packages15:10
tadzikah15:10
dafoxI do have a ssh, but I didn't connect to wifi15:10
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dafoxtadzik: 'ah' as in 'good, nothing serious updated', or 'ah' as in 'critical system components updated' ?15:12
tadzikdafox: 'ah' as in "oh, SSU, then I don't know what to do "15:13
dafox:(15:13
dafoxI can still reach the power-button menu15:13
tadzikI'm on SSU for half a day myself, I don't know how much danger could possibly an interrupted SSU update bring15:13
dafoxI could try the 'switch off' button15:13
tadzikwell, you do have backupmenu, don't you?15:14
dafoxno, I haven't set it up yet :/15:14
dafoxstupid, I know15:14
Lava_Crofti dont use backupmenu:P15:14
dafoxDocScrutinizer, merlin1991: hi. You usually know a lot about maemo/ssu . Could you please give me some advice regarding the above problem?15:18
freemangordonPali, DocScrutinizer, seems after all dosfslabel is fsked and cannot set fvat label correctly, while mlabel has an option to use device name :)15:23
tadziksince a non-zero number of people are watching, did anyone have problems with a "silent" microphone on N900? Nothing SSU related I suppose; it works, but people on the other side tend to barely hear it15:23
freemangordonmlabel -i /dev/mmcblk1p1 ::NEWLABEL15:23
freemangordongoing to fix that on gitorious15:24
freemangordonmerlin1991, sould we push newer dosfstools in that case?15:24
Sicelotadzik: #maemo15:40
tadzikyeah, probably15:40
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: yes, new recent mlabel is probably bearable15:48
freemangordonnoo, the one in maemo supports that15:49
freemangordonDocScrutinizer ^^^15:49
DocScrutinizero.O15:49
freemangordonyep15:49
freemangordonanyway, i will try to fix dosfslabel15:49
DocScrutinizert900:~# mlabel -V15:50
DocScrutinizerMlabel version 3.9.10, dated March 2nd, 200515:50
DocScrutinizerconfigured with the following options: disable-xdf disable-vold disable-new-vold disable-debug enable-raw-term15:50
DocScrutinizert900:~# mlabel --help15:50
DocScrutinizermlabel: invalid option -- -15:50
DocScrutinizerMtools version 3.9.10, dated March 2nd, 200515:50
freemangordoni've tried it with the above command and it works ok15:50
DocScrutinizerUsage: mlabel [-vscVn] [-N serial] drive:15:50
freemangordonyeah, but look in the code :D15:51
freemangordoncase 'i':15:51
freemangordonset_cmd_line_image(optarg, 0);15:51
DocScrutinizernuts#15:52
dafoxDocScrutinizer, freemangordon: hello?16:03
freemangordondafox, hi16:03
dafoxfreemangordon: could you please give me some advice regarding my phone's situation (as described above)?16:04
freemangordondafox, sorry, right now I am burried in dosfstool source code, better ask on #maemo16:04
DocScrutinizerdafox: no clue what's going on with your phone16:05
dafoxok, but what are my chances and options? Is there anything besides a reboot that I can try?16:05
DocScrutinizermight be some process hogging RAM and causing swap hell16:06
DocScrutinizerbefore you boot, try taskswitcher, switch to most suspicious task, try "kill current task" from power menu16:06
dafoxit still responds somewhat to powerbutton, but for example the ctrl-backspace does not work16:07
DocScrutinizerI've seen phone lock up for 90min, when some nasty flash webpage ate all RAM16:07
dafoxI think the desktop might have crashed or something16:07
DocScrutinizerunlikely16:07
DocScrutinizerkeep in mind it probably stacks up all the commands you give to it16:08
dafoxI /strongly think/ the desktop has crashed16:08
DocScrutinizerand executes them later, with possible huge delay16:08
dafoxit still responds quickly to the menu, and I've launched the phone with that, where I can scroll (smoothly)16:08
DocScrutinizerI suggest you try shift-ctrl-X16:09
DocScrutinizerto get a terminal16:09
DocScrutinizerthe launch htop16:09
DocScrutinizerthen*16:09
dafoxshift-ctrl-x doesn't seem to work16:09
dafoxhowever the power-button-menu is on the top-left of the screen, rather than in the center16:10
dafoxalso the usual controls (the maximime-window-type button on the top left, battery indicator) are missing16:10
DocScrutinizerhmm, sounds like X got confused, possibly even gfx16:10
dafoxlock-screen is also not centered on screen16:11
DocScrutinizeroften some freaky widget can cause this16:11
dafoxit happened during an update16:11
DocScrutinizerreboot16:11
dafoxand I was afraid to just reboot without getting some advice on what might go wrong first :)16:11
DocScrutinizerI dunno what might go wrong16:12
DocScrutinizerI friggin dunno even what's wrong now16:12
dafoxok, I'll try rebooting then16:12
DocScrutinizeryou could try plugging it to USB and make a backup of your MyDocs at least16:12
dafoxtoo late16:13
dafoxit's off now16:13
dafoxthat was the kind of tip I was looking for though, thanks16:13
DocScrutinizernah, backup of MyDocs won't be needed16:15
dafoxDocScrutinizer: ok, it seems to still boot16:15
dafoxlol it even said 'operating system successfully updated'16:15
dafoxthere are still updates pending though16:15
dafoxdo you think I should try updating again?16:16
DocScrutinizeryes16:16
dafoxok16:16
dafoxthis will take a while, probably16:16
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dafoxdon't leave me hanging man :p16:17
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dafoxok, updated and rebooted, seems to still work16:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, FUUUUK, again, the case with Qt 4.7.4 DAMN STUPID gcc -Ox flags, that can't be true :(. gcc optimisations screw dosfstools16:36
freemangordonwithout -O2 it works16:36
dafoxthanks for the encouraging words everyone :)16:36
DocScrutinizerbwahahaha16:36
dafoxbtw, does anyone know why 90% of the time n900 refuses to boot while charging?16:36
freemangordondafox, this is #maemo-ssu developers, contributors, ets channel, not first line of support16:37
DocScrutinizerdafox: I never seen any such problem16:37
dafoxsorry, I thought it might be related to ssu :/16:37
DocScrutinizerit just takes some 30s after USB plugin to settle16:38
DocScrutinizerthen it boots16:38
DocScrutinizeron powerbutton16:38
DocScrutinizerdafox: ignore freemangordon, he's in grumpy mood today ;-)16:38
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, please, tell me, why , why the hell it is always the same and always happens to me16:38
DocScrutinizerI dunno :-D16:39
DocScrutinizertake it easy16:39
dafoxfor me it usually starts to boot (nokia logo), then freezes for a while, then reboots into 'offline charging' mode (the state it goes to when you plug in the charging while it's off)16:39
freemangordondafox, yeah, DocScrutinizer is right :D16:39
dafoxok, you scared me a bit though :)16:39
DocScrutinizerdafox: that's absolutely normal behaviour16:40
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DocScrutinizerafter plugin of USB16:40
dafoxyou mean you're not supposed to be able to (re)boot the phone while it is connected to the charger?16:40
DocScrutinizererr, what do you mean with 'reboot'16:41
freemangordondafox, when you power-down the device with charger connected, it actually boots maemo in so-called ACT)DEAD mode, and that takes time16:41
freemangordonuntil that mode has settled you cannot power-up the device16:41
DocScrutinizeryou can't power down when charging16:41
DocScrutinizerand what freemangordon said, too16:41
DocScrutinizerwhen you connect to USB, you need to wait 30s til "powering up" via powerbutton16:42
DocScrutinizersame after you "powered down" with USB plugged in16:43
DocScrutinizerand no, that's no CSSU issue16:43
DocScrutinizerpowerkernel has some special issues in that regard16:44
dafoxLet me try to explain as clearly as possible what happens: Phone is on. I plug in the charger, it starts charging. Then for some reason (usually updates) I want to reboot the phone. It powers down, then powers up to 'charging mode'. Until it has finished booting the power button won't work (the LED does not turn white). Then I push the power button until the led lights. Then the led turns of, but the vibration does not happen. The phone starts to b16:44
dafoxoot, showing the nokia logo ('NOKIA', not the handshake). Then after a while it reboots into 'charging mode' again.16:44
DocScrutinizerit seems with powerkernel it actually fails to boot to active state when plugged to USB and you press powerbutton16:45
dafoxI am running the power-kernel, and I am allowing (slight, dynamic) overclocking16:45
DocScrutinizeryou pressed the power button either too early, or too long16:45
DocScrutinizeraaah, and with powerkernel that's actually a known problem16:46
freemangordondafox, which version of kernel-power?16:46
DocScrutinizeryou should unplug to boot up16:46
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, that is fixed in v50, that is wahy I am asking16:47
dafoxaha, ok16:47
DocScrutinizerunless somebody fixed it n recently'ish kernel16:47
dafoxI think it might have just been updated, let me check16:47
DocScrutinizer:-D16:47
dafoxI have 2.6.28.10-power5016:47
freemangordonis it still reproducible?16:47
DocScrutinizerfine, so give it a test16:47
freemangordon:D16:47
dafoxI'll try, it just failed on first boot16:48
dafoxSo, 'switch off', wait for it to boot, then wait 30 more seconds, then press power button briefly?16:48
DocScrutinizeryou first should boot normally 2 or even 3 times, for system to settle, after flashing/update16:48
dafoxHow briefly?16:48
DocScrutinizeryou did it right16:49
dafoxI didn't flash, just normal over-the-air update16:49
dafoxuntil the led turns white and then off?16:49
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DocScrutinizerthen one normal boot aftter the boot involved in update shall suffice16:49
DocScrutinizer:nod:16:49
DocScrutinizertakes some 3..4s iirc16:49
DocScrutinizermaybe less16:50
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dafoxok so this time it reboots again, let me try once more with a 'unpowered boot' in between16:50
DocScrutinizerit's actually some bug "I" introduced with hostmode16:51
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon looked into it to fix it16:52
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: didn't you check it?16:52
freemangordonif the bug is fixed?16:55
freemangordonof course16:55
freemangordonbut it could be that dafox has some another problem16:56
freemangordonand it is better if he leaves convinced that the bug is no more there16:56
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, do you know what dosfstools (>> 3.0.1-1maemo2) is supposed to mean?16:57
freemangordonI mean >>16:57
dafoxok, it still reboots when booting with the usb charger connected16:57
freemangordonin control file16:57
freemangordondafox, how many times?16:58
freemangordonas actually there should be 2 reboots AFAIK16:58
dafox4 reboots so far, since I asked my question here16:58
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freemangordonhmm, >> means strictly later17:00
dafoxdoesn't it normally mean 'much bigger/later/greater'17:00
dafoxfreemangordon: anyhow, seems like the reboot issue is still present. Are there any logs you'd like me to peek at?17:06
freemangordonthe only thing you can do is to enable framebuffer console and to capture a video of the boot process. search on TMO on how to enable framebuffer console.17:07
dafoxI don't have anything on hand to record, sorry.17:10
DocScrutinizeryou could do a uname -a17:22
DocScrutinizerdafox: ^^17:22
dafoxDocScrutinizer: that would give me just the kernel version?17:23
DocScrutinizeryep17:23
dafox(which is 2.6.28.10-power50, as I said before :)17:23
DocScrutinizeraah, k17:24
DocScrutinizerif you already did uname -a, then why you're asking what it does? ;-)17:24
DocScrutinizerthough this string doesn't look like uname output17:25
tadzikaaargh17:35
tadzikI had leftover alsamixer process running and it drained my battery in 2 hours17:36
tadzikffs17:36
dafoxDocScrutinizer: just making sure what you said matched what you meant. The full string is 'Linux nodame 2.6.28.10-power50 #1 PREEMPT Sun March 18 20:10:56 EET 2012 armv71 GNU/Linux'17:39
DocScrutinizer51tadzik: weird17:40
tadzikso much for geocaching today17:40
Lava_Croftprotip: get more batteries17:41
DocScrutinizer51I'd rather suspect GPS drqained battery :)17:41
tadziknot really, it wasn't even on. I just looked at the battery widget and "wtf". Then htop explained the mystery17:42
Lava_Croftthat doesnt matter if you have more batteries!17:42
Lava_Crofti always carry around 2 spare ones17:42
Lava_Croftand theres another few at home17:42
tadzikheh17:42
Lava_Croftthey are quite small17:42
freemangordonPali, merlin1991, whoever is interested, a new version in ke-recv and dosfstools in cssu-devel repo17:42
Lava_Croftjust get em in a ziplock bag and its waterproof too17:42
Palifreemangordon, ok, I will change battery and test it17:43
Lava_Crofttadzik: n900 batteries arent that expensive17:43
Lava_Crofthere its like 7euros orso17:43
DocScrutinizer51anyway I'd like to ask for a bit more on-topic17:44
DocScrutinizer51generally17:44
DocScrutinizer51battery issues on N900 are best discussen in #maemo17:45
tadzikLava_Croft: well, I'm not even on a journey of my life, I just went to $dayjob, unaware of the dangers :)17:45
tadziksorry17:45
Lava_Croftbe prepared17:45
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Palifreemangordon, working fine18:03
freemangordonPali, did you try both fat/ext3?18:26
PaliI tried this: sudo dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk1p6 data; echo $?18:26
freemangordonBTW I didn't check "format" option18:26
Paliand it returned 018:26
Palisudo dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk1p6; echo $?18:27
Palidata18:27
Pali018:27
Paliso dosfslabel is fixed18:27
freemangordonPali, try to rename a volume in filemanager. you did apt-get update/upgrade, aint?18:27
Paliyes18:27
freemangordonso, rename in filemanager should work too, as is format, but i didn't check latter18:28
freemangordoncan you test both rename and forma?18:28
freemangordon*format18:28
PaliI tested now renaming fat32 via filemanager18:28
Paliworking fine, but it renames to UPPER characher18:29
Palifilemanager show alwyas first character upper and toher lower18:29
freemangordonwell, that is something in ke-recv18:29
Palibut dosfslabel show all in upper18:29
Paligoing to try rename ext4 part18:30
Palisees working (but again renamed to upper chars)18:31
Palibut it still umounting mmc device!18:32
freemangordonPali, mmc device should not be unmounted, how did you find that18:33
PaliIn syslog after renaming I have this line: ke_recv[7175]: device_removed:2684: udi: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_a8fc87cf_2150_4e5b_a5c2_f345fa9d7b4c18:33
Paliso seems that hal removing device and ke-recv unmounting it18:33
freemangordontaht is because of HAL reprobe, but the device is not unmounted18:34
freemangordonyou could check that by opening a file on the volume to rename18:34
Palisee my syslog: http://pastebin.com/SUWCGDpw18:35
Paliyou can see kernel (dmesg) ext4 output that mmc device was unmounted18:36
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Palifreemangordon, I have better solution for find_by_property19:13
Palimmc_info_t structure has linked list for all volumes19:14
Paliso we can find which is device in string dev19:14
Palians volume_list_t has stored needed udi19:15
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amiconnDocScrutinizer51: You mentioned boot times. When powering down my N900, I *always* have to wait at least 30 seconds before powering on works again. I wonder whether this is normal20:32
merlin1991amiconn: yes it is20:43
amiconnIs there a faster way to reboot?20:44
NIN101I guess dsmetool -b20:46
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