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| Sc0rpius | is there a way to fix the portrait mode for the phone app without REBOOTING all the time? | 20:10 |
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| Sc0rpius | I tried killall hildon-desktop to no avail | 20:10 |
| Sicelo | i killall hildon-home as well | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | so you have the bug too heh | 20:12 |
| Sicelo | not anymore.. cssu stable 2 seems rock-solid | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | killing hildon-home disappeared a lot of icons from my desktop :( | 20:13 |
| Sc0rpius | and it didn't fix the bug | 20:13 |
| Sicelo | but i had the bug even before cssu .. while i was just on stock maemo + m-(-d | 20:13 |
| Sc0rpius | so far the only solution is to reboot, that's the only way to have my portrait phone back | 20:13 |
| Sc0rpius | but I'm rebooting like everyday because of that | 20:13 |
| Sc0rpius | :( | 20:13 |
| Sc0rpius | and if I lock the orientation to landscape the phone is landscape too | 20:14 |
| Sc0rpius | so there's no way to have a landscape desktop with a portrait phone without rebooting everyday :'( | 20:14 |
| Sicelo | u sure if u, 'killall hildon-desktop; sleep 20; killall hildon-home' it's not ficxed? | 20:14 |
| Sc0rpius | no, not fixed. | 20:15 |
| Sc0rpius | this sucks so much | 20:15 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder what's wrong in hildon-desktop to behave like that | 20:15 |
| merlin1991 | Sc0rpius: | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | you can | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate to false | 20:17 |
| Sc0rpius | hmmmm | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | gives you portait phone + landscape desktop | 20:17 |
| Sc0rpius | lemme try that | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | ^^ does it | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | (might need a reboot to apply | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | also did you have a look at the menu issue? | 20:19 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 20:20 |
| Sc0rpius | it didn't need a reboot it seems | 20:20 |
| Sc0rpius | what menu issue? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wow, what a meeting that I missed ;-P | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o/ | 20:22 |
| Sc0rpius | \o | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: comeone /sarcasm ;) | 20:23 |
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| inean | hi everyone | 20:31 |
| inean | Sorry to enter here and throw a question but.. Which is the best way to detect if CSSU is deployed on a N900 ? | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | mp-fremantle-community-pr? | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | inean ^^^ | 20:40 |
| RST38h | freemangordon: BTW, are you currently making low level changes for the CSSU? | 20:40 |
| RST38h | kernel stuff etc? | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | well, still only plans | 20:41 |
| inean | Nooo :) | 20:41 |
| inean | It's for qt components stuff | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | RST38h, But there is some kind of agreement, yes | 20:41 |
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| freemangordon | inean, yeah, got it :D | 20:41 |
| RST38h | freemangordon: I was going to suggest adding swap-to-ram stuff, the same way it is done in harmattan | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | ramzswap? | 20:42 |
| RST38h | freemangordon: yeah. should help the swap rollover problem. | 20:42 |
| inean | freemangordon: Doem mp-fremantle-community-pr install some new file on system ? | 20:42 |
| freemangordon | well, for some reason it is not as effective as ione could expect | 20:42 |
| inean | s/Doem/Does/ | 20:42 |
| freemangordon | it is the metapackage which depends on all others | 20:43 |
| RST38h | freemangordon: I remember someone from Nokian say that it is trickier on fremantle due to small ram amount, but *may* work with the right tuning | 20:43 |
| freemangordon | in the same way like mp-fremantle-pr does | 20:43 |
| freemangordon | RST38h, it works, actually I am using it on my primary phone | 20:43 |
| inean | ok, sec | 20:43 |
| RST38h | freemangordon: no plans to include it into cssu? | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | but if you use mor than lets say 64MB for ramzswap, thing are going south | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | if someone find what are korrect vm settings, I don't see a reason why not | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | *correct | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | RST38h, there is dedicated thread on TMO, maybe you've mieed it | 20:45 |
| freemangordon | *missed | 20:45 |
| RST38h | freemangordon: the nokian guy suggested ~40MB for it | 20:45 |
| * RST38h has not been reading tmo for a while, it kinda degenerated ovedr time | 20:45 | |
| freemangordon | RAM or swap space | 20:45 |
| RST38h | ram | 20:46 |
| RST38h | i.e. allocate 40MB of RAM for ramzswap | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | well, yes, my experiance shows the same. If we go above that, bad things start to happen | 20:46 |
| RST38h | well you do not want to starve poor device of ram :) | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | it has already only got 256MB | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | actually if we succeed to do everything as have to (i.e. thumb2) we will have about 20-30 more RAM free | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | and by moving Qt on NAND there will be HUGE performance gain for Qt apps, which combined qith ramzswap will mean a new device :D | 20:49 |
| RST38h | why move qt to nand? it will most likely be slower | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | ?!? NAND slower than eMMC | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | rootfs is on nand | 20:50 |
| RST38h | NOR you mean? | 20:50 |
| RST38h | EMMC is NAND | 20:50 |
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| freemangordon | well, I think it is NAND, but yeah, you got the idea | 20:51 |
| * RST38h finds it hard to believe the on-chip / is slower than emmc plugged over 8 wires and a 16bit microcontroller | 20:51 | |
| freemangordon | Qt is now in /opt, which is on eMMC, which is slow as hell | 20:52 |
| RST38h | oh,ok, sorry - wrong terminology | 20:52 |
| RST38h | basically, NAND is something you read by blocks, like EMMC or SD cards (which are subset of EMMC) | 20:52 |
| RST38h | NOR is directly addressable for reading, but more expensive | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | nevermind, I think you understood the idea, i.e. moving Qt to fast / | 20:53 |
| RST38h | yeah | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | the best of all is that thumb2 seems rock stable so far (at least on my devices) with erratas fixed. the other good thing is that SR seems stable too. | 20:56 |
| RST38h | SR is the core voltage management thingie? | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:56 |
| RST38h | nah, it is only you | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | you mean? | 20:57 |
| RST38h | there is a significant percentage of people (looks like 30-60%) who report it broken | 20:57 |
| RST38h | phone reboots | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | BTW I mean in KP50 (yet to be released). So far noone is complaining. | 20:58 |
| RST38h | Of course, the percentage is by nomeans exact, it is based on what is being reported in forums | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | well, it is unstable in omap1, it could not be otherwise when TI has programmed efuse values same for all devices (for 500,550 and 600) | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | TBH I stoil could not believe how is that possible | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | *still | 20:59 |
| RST38h | we are talking of stock kernel | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | yeah, it is unstable in omap1. But I was talking about kernel-power | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | which (hopefully) will be transformed into community kernel in CSSU | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Dunno | 21:01 |
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| freemangordon | I know :D | 21:01 |
| RST38h | freemangordon: I have a few ideas how that may have been achieved, but it is mostly woodoo | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | To achieve what? | 21:05 |
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| inean | fremangordon: I will check existence of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-community-pr.list file. Does CSSU modify any osso-product-info variables ? | 21:12 |
| inean | thanks, by the way :p | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | Have no clue, merlin1991 ^^^ | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | inean, there should be a better way, maybe you should look in "about CSSU" control panel applet code | 21:16 |
| inean | fremangordon: repo? | 21:17 |
| inean | Ok, founded. It spawns a dpkg process... | 21:24 |
| Sicelo | what do u want to do inean? | 21:25 |
| inean | and previously check for the existence of the file | 21:25 |
| inean | Sicelo: we were talking about the fastest way to now if you software is running under SSU or CSSU code | 21:26 |
| inean | s/you/sour/ | 21:26 |
| inean | s/sour/your/ :p | 21:27 |
| freemangordon | inean, on gitorious | 21:27 |
| freemangordon | sec | 21:27 |
| inean | yep, http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libcpaboutcssu/blobs/master/src/libcpaboutcssu.c line 22 | 21:27 |
| Sicelo | About Community CSSU in settings has info u need.. also tells u which flavor u have | 21:27 |
| Sicelo | unless i do't understand what u want | 21:28 |
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| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1150251&postcount=152 | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NAND, NOR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory ! | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ir's both NAND | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's* | 23:10 |
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| Copernicus | Hi all, IRC and CSSU newbie Copernicus here. I'm investigating just what goes into CSSU these days. Hopefully, I'll be able to help flesh out the CSSU Wiki a bit... | 23:50 |
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