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| Sc0rpius | hmmm | 03:03 |
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| Sc0rpius | ok I updated | 03:03 |
| Sc0rpius | and now I'm VERY worried | 03:03 |
| Sc0rpius | when I press Send & Receive in Modest I lose the connection!!! | 03:04 |
| Sc0rpius | wow Modest is super unstable I can't even click on the menu | 03:05 |
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| merlin1991 | andre__: still around? | 03:26 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the wiki edits | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yw | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: maybe *you* want to suggest or even provide something for SD69, for that banner-ad he offered | 07:04 |
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| andre__ | merlin1991, aklapper at openismus dot com as we seem to not have the same IRC times today :) | 11:46 |
| Lava_Croft | de dag van de heer he | 11:46 |
| * Lava_Croft chuckles | 11:46 | |
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| merlin1991 | http://blog.rburchell.com/2011/11/fast-ui-with-qt-4-on-mobile.html | 18:03 |
| merlin1991 | that would be awesome in cssu :D | 18:03 |
| merlin1991 | bug 12510 I feel trolled | 18:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12510 Unable to install Stable CSSU | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | #12511 is even worse | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | bug #12511 that is | 18:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12511 Stable CSSU has no changes | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | Sicelo: ping | 18:09 |
| Sicelo | pong | 18:11 |
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| merlin1991 | did you adjust your cssu path already? | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | the *final* cssu has a slight change to the cp applet, and also all future updates will come from the official repo | 18:14 |
| Sicelo | yes, haven't updated though. can do it shortly. | 18:14 |
| merlin1991 | I remember someone else runs on the test system on my server too, but I don't remember who it is | 18:15 |
| Sicelo | neal maybe :/ | 18:15 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah, I think it was neal | 18:16 |
| merlin1991 | neal ping | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: (bugs) WTF?! | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | it's two times the same guy | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | and he seems to fail folloginw the installation instructions | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | bug 1 he did mark fixed himself | 18:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1 test - ignore it | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | troll, close INVALID, no further comment except "troll" | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | well I assume he didn't run the enabler or didn't run the update in ham | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | even change FIXED to INVALID | 18:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if andre__ will grant him bmo perms | 18:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | to close/change tickets | 18:30 |
| merlin1991 | I can do it | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:31 |
| merlin1991 | but just ask him when he's around | 18:31 |
| merlin1991 | that's how I got my perms :) | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | "comment #2 by joerg_rw: please consider asking about your problem in IRC or on TMO or ML, prior to opening a bug ticket. This is no helpdesk" | 18:31 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 18:33 |
| merlin1991 | I'll give a helping comment a note to irc/tmo and close as invalid | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, btw a transition UNCONFIRMED->FIXED is invalid | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all this is not a FIXED bug | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is plain INVALID | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | andre__: mere mortal users must not be allowed to change their own tickets from UNCONFIRMED/NEW to FIXED | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG ping | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: they may change to CLOSED maybe | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and to INVALID | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> EXACT STEPS LEADING TO PROBLEM: (Explain in detail what you do ...) 1. Stable CSSU has no changes 2. It is just like original Nokia version << DANG we need a new class in Status to close this type of bogus tickets. Sth like LRN2READ | 18:44 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SPAMASSASSIN-FORMAL:10of5 | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bit long but nice for Status | 18:47 |
| merlin1991 | dang where's Mag when I need him | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah, where is he | 18:48 |
| merlin1991 | in the past 2 days I pinged him twice, and his pong always came when I was sleeping :P | 18:49 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: what do you need from him? | 18:49 |
| merlin1991 | I need to slap him about hildon-desktop | 18:50 |
| merlin1991 | (on behalf of arcean) | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | because I still insist my modest patches are not in released .debs | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | that is what I got today on PM | 18:50 |
| merlin1991 | did you compare source tarball in the repo vs gitorious? | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | "Hi there. I updated to the latest testing CSSU. Modest crashes started occuring again. I have more core-dumps for you. After they started I tried reverting to the patches you provided for us, however they still continued. then I updated to the new packages again and kept collecting core-dumps for you." | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | What I mean is that MAG uses dpkg-buildpackage with -nc | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | and without doing complete clone | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | and the PM is from a user who was using my builds for the last 2 or so months | 18:53 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: the commits in question would be http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/modest/commit/af4cf745909b25000f849426c2b09c2c98554347 and http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail/commit/a1c18ef15f5e7abc5bedae93e77a1605fbf3c52e ? | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 18:53 |
| merlin1991 | I'm checking against repo sources | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | ok | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | but still, most probablythe source is ok, but the binaries are not | 18:54 |
| merlin1991 | well in case of h-d even the source is bogus :D | 18:55 |
| merlin1991 | might be that he made the same mistake twice | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | what is the case with h-d? | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | I saw something on TMO, didn't quite understand it. | 18:57 |
| merlin1991 | h-d should have a fix for portait wallpaper | 18:58 |
| merlin1991 | according to gitorious it has | 18:58 |
| merlin1991 | but in reality the commit that includes it is not in the compiled source | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | nice | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | looks the same with modest | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | and tinymail | 18:59 |
| merlin1991 | okay modest source looks ok | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | it is tinymail that is more critical (i.e. the patch for it) | 19:02 |
| merlin1991 | tinymail source looks fine too, compile problem then | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | if I grab hold of him and you're not around I'll tell him that too | 19:04 |
| merlin1991 | I guess nuke folder bump version recompile and push should fix the issue | 19:04 |
| merlin1991 | what's odd though that in the pm the user tells you he reverted to your patches and it still kept crashing | 19:05 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: did you try compiling the current source on gitorious and get the user to install those packages in place? | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | He didn't tell how he reverted. And maybe database got corrupted, who knows. Anyway I have coredumps will check if there is something interesting | 19:06 |
| merlin1991 | that would be the straight way to see if mag made a bad compile | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | not so straight, segfaults were in g_free, free and cousins ;) | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | corrupted heap, a nightmare to trace | 19:08 |
| merlin1991 | btw how do you trace around in coredumps? it's all black magic to me | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | using gdb | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | but it lies most of the time | 19:12 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991, you have CSSU testing installed? | 19:24 |
| merlin1991 | currently not | 19:25 |
| merlin1991 | but I bought a 2nd n900 which should have been shipped here by now, I guess I'll get it next week | 19:25 |
| merlin1991 | as a maintainer of stable ofc I have to have stable installed :D | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | :D yeah, sure. | 19:36 |
| Sc0rpius | sometimes I think | 19:41 |
| Sc0rpius | we should forget all about modest/tinymail and make our own real/stable email client | 19:41 |
| Sc0rpius | at least that's what I've been thinking lately | 19:41 |
| Sc0rpius | or maybe port the N9 email client? | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | is the n9 foss? | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm more wondering how we can systematically make sure that such build problems won't propagate to the public | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | or versioning/git/whatever problems | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | would it help to grep the executable for "signature" sequences indicating the patches been included? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | check filesize? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | have undocumented selftest functions via app's cmdline API | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | which then would call built-in unit-tests | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, if we can't guarantee the repos are shipping binaries that represent the sourcecode, how bad is that? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: how would you check tinymail binary for inclusion of your patches? | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could you do a diff of the od dumps of old vs new binary to spot the changed code sequences, then grep for those in the binary the buildhost generated? | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | have no idea | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or would it suffice to look at mere filesize of the binary to tell if it's correct or not? - I seem to have learnt it's almost impossible to build two identical binaries from identical source | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | at least on two different machines | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird enough and rather puzzling and scary, but anyway we have to live with the fact hen | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | then* | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I more than once used the approach to define static unique tag const in my code, which I could search for later on in the binary | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs some thinking to avoid optimization kicking such tag out at compile time, but that's a problem you can deal with | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | kicking out such tag* | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | a public function might work, the name of the function should persist | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | public void version_freemangordon_20111125001( void nuttin ) { return 0; } | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, gdb should be able to tell if you can set a breakpoint to some of your patch's code or not | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | thats the theory, in practice it seems coredumps are useless | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not talking about coredumps and post-mortem | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about checking "virgin" binaries after building them on buildhost | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the debug info should have quite enough info to tell whether your patches are in that binary or not | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | prior to strip that is | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously trying to analyze a coredump with wrong not matching sourcecode and debuginfo support will make gdb output bogus nonsense | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | it does not matter, gdb on n900 is never able to find the correct symbols | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I *think* gdb should notice the mismatch | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, gdb can't find any symbols when binary is stripped and you don' provide *matching* .debug plus .c source | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | gdb --symbols=SYMFILE executable coredumpfile; sth like that | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | hmm, let me try that | 20:30 |
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| freemangordon | damn,it crashes | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | modest i mean | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, the above incantation shouldn't even start modest | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | :D | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | i've attach a debugger | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | attached | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | to a running modest | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that line above is for post-mortem | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | yeah, yeah, i know | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | gdb `which date` | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reading symbols from /bin/date...Missing separate debuginfo for /bin/date | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Try: zypper install -C "debuginfo(build-id)=5d3a339be6b649868e4db62b10e7f3499ba6984e" | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (no debugging symbols found)...done. | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway even a binary without debuginfo still has all the normal function names usually, see "info functions" for above gdb example | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: so you should be able to check with gdb if your patches are included or not | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | wonders how this "g_signal_emit (G_OBJECT (self), signals[OPERATION_STARTED_SIGNAL], 0, NULL);" could lead to invalid instruction?!? | 20:53 |
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| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, if you promise to be friendly (I guess I don't have to tell you the other two rules "Use common sense. If unsure, ask first") you cn have permissions, of course :P | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I swear | 20:54 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, what's your email ID (/msg)? | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no secret | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | joerg at openmoko dod org | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | Is there someone who knows GTK stuff? | 20:55 |
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| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, here you go. enjoy the new buttons :) | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: any notion regarding my idea about UNCONFIRMED->FIXED being an invalid transition? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | at very least for normal users | 21:03 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, it's invalid because it's impossible anyway. UNCONFIRMED is a state, FIXED is a resolution ;-) | 21:03 |
| andre__ | RESOLVED would be a state | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, see I didn't look close enough | 21:03 |
| andre__ | so if you're after keeping normal workflows, there should be NEW inbetween | 21:03 |
| andre__ | but as reality bites, a report can go directly from UNCONFIRMED into RESOLVED FIXED | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it shouldn't be allowed to users/reporters to do that | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | it feels wrong to me if a noob reports a "bug" then realizes is is no bug at all but rather PEBKAC and sets the ticket to RESOLVED FIXED | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it never was a bug, so how can it get fixed? | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nayway never mind, really just academic | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway* | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny paradoxon: if the problem that results in a ticket like bug 12511 was really fixed, the reporter would set the ticket to INVALID. Setting the ticket to FIXED suggests the problem is still persistent | 21:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12511 Stable CSSU has no changes | 21:10 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer, I agree. FIXED should have been INVALID or WORKSFORME | 21:17 |
| andre__ | FIXED requires a code check-in, for my understanding | 21:17 |
| andre__ | but many reporters do this wrong. | 21:17 |
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| andre__ | not only in bugs.maemo.org, same e.g. in GNOME Bugzilla. | 21:18 |
| andre__ | however not a huge issue IMO | 21:18 |
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| merlin1991 | andre__: whatabout the stable cssu version thingy? | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | testing CSSU version thingie | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | assuming that we need to check bugs filed against S also if they are existing in T | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and generally tickets originating from S users are less likely to be that specific that it was useful to assign them to S specifically | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW S users probably deliver more fuzzy reports, and generally you have to check each report if it's correctly attributed to T or S, and the rate of tickets erratically tagged Testing while they are actually against Stable (only) for sure is way lower than was a possible rate of Testing users accidentally tagging their ticket S | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on rereading my own last post I have to say, you better ignore it | 21:55 |
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| fw190 | hello | 22:44 |
| fw190 | seems to me that cssu made a little step forward :) | 22:44 |
| fw190 | now we only have to force MAG to cooperate :p | 22:44 |
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| neal | merlin1991: What's up? | 23:01 |
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| BluesLee | hello, i have an issue with the newest cssu+power kernel 49 | 23:01 |
| BluesLee | the camera on the n900 of my wife stopped working | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | neal: it's in connection with cssu stable.. u have it? | 23:02 |
| BluesLee | i read that i should reinstall the fcam drivers from devel etc | 23:02 |
| BluesLee | but this did not help | 23:02 |
| neal | sicelo: I installed it and tested it for a while, yes. | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | iirc u also installed from merlin1991's test repo.. so it is now advised to use 'official' stable repo | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | /topic for details | 23:04 |
| neal | thanks. | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | neal: yeah cssu is stable official | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | switch repo there's a small update for you then :) | 23:05 |
| neal | I saw, thanks. | 23:05 |
| neal | I already reflashed :) | 23:06 |
| neal | and am running cssu | 23:06 |
| neal | testing | 23:06 |
| Sicelo | :P | 23:06 |
| neal | one question: is it possible to have normal rotation, i.e., destop does not rotate, but phone is in portrait mode? | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | gconfkey in /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate | 23:07 |
| merlin1991 | to false | 23:07 |
| neal | and then leave on auto-rotate? | 23:07 |
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| merlin1991 | yes | 23:09 |
| neal | thanks. | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neal: that's what S should come with for default even | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 23:20 |
| neal | I'm using testing | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, get ~jrtools on another chan ;-D | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | neal: me too, that'S why I quoted ~jrtools | 23:21 |
| neal | I thought S was stable... | 23:21 |
| neal | I don't know what you mean now... | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean S comes with this setting by default, and I am using it since ~6 moths or whatever on T | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's documented at ~jrtools | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: how is /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate supposed to get set to true on S by "normal users"? should we add it to postinstall of orientation-lock applet? | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | ui_can | 23:27 |
| merlin1991 | sorry | 23:27 |
| merlin1991 | just like this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable#hildon-desktop | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: just thought until we get a proper GUI to manage all this, we might set it to true when user installs orientation-lock applet | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and set to false on uninstall | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | non-invasive change that might improve user experience | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | hmm, that is a part of backtrace of modest crash | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | #3 0x4164f466 in modest_mail_operation_get_msg (self=0x3410b8, header=0x30bec0, progress_feedback=<value optimized out>, user_callback=0x4167a999 <view_msg_cb+1>, user_data=0x33d930) at modest-mail-operation.c:2840 | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | is it something wrong with me, or user_callback=0x4167a999 <view_msg_cb+1> is not DWORD aligned? | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | is that possible on ARM? | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | MoahmmadAG, ping | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG ^^^ | 23:54 |
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