IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Monday, 2011-11-21

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DocScrutinizermission-control?00:43
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merlin1991MohammadAG: ping01:22
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DocScrutinizerاختبار and مستقر01:39
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ThreeMi the new cssu already in the extra-dvel?01:56
merlin1991ThreeM: cssu never is in extras-devel01:57
ThreeMis the new cssu available via ham? ;)01:57
ThreeMcause topic says 21.2011.38-1maemo1..... i have 20.2011.38.maemo16.801:58
merlin1991yes should be avaiable via ham02:02
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peetahI've just upgraded CSSU using HAM without any issue but running apt-get update && apt-get upgrate still proposes me to upgrade *maemosec* packages using 0.2.0+0m5 versions from nokia repository12:23
peetahshould'nt that be avoided by using a different version scheme for CSSU packages ?12:24
peetahs/upgrate/upgrade/12:24
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DocScrutinizerpeetah: nah, that should be avoided by nver ever using apt-get upgrade18:30
DocScrutinizerpeetah: btw those packages are closed-source blobs provided by Nokia which are or are not imported to CSSU repository for users' convenience, courtesy Nokia. We most likely don't have any influence on the name scheme of those18:33
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peetahDocScrutinizer: ok thanks18:59
mr_jrtI just apt-get upgraded my test device...and all seems fine?19:05
mr_jrt(already had the latest CSSU, btw)19:05
mr_jrt...and thanks to the latest CSSU, it's regained the ability to reboot, which is nice.19:06
DocScrutinizerAPT-GET UPGRADE IS **DEPRECATED**19:10
DocScrutinizernow all together: APT-GET UPG....19:11
DocScrutinizerit always been, not that we invented that on CSSU19:11
mr_jrtAny links where I can find the reason? Seems a very stupid thing to break...19:13
DocScrutinizernevertheless Nokia broke it with their way to package fremantle (and possubly even diablo)19:13
DocScrutinizerNokia's idea of firmware updates been to roll out a new metapackage-PR which pulls in all new pkgs on a consistent rev level, while not affecting any other possibly never pkg revs not directly needed by this MP-PR19:16
DocScrutinizerever since SSU been invented19:16
DocScrutinizeran apt-get upgrade will upgrade *all* pkgs from whatever source it can get the most recent version19:16
DocScrutinizerwhich is not exatly compatible with maemo-extras having a stable version of some lib, and maemo-exras-devel having a way more recent possibly incompatible or broken version of same lib19:18
DocScrutinizersometime this problem even applies to "core" repos Nokia and maemo-extras19:19
mr_jrt...that's surely just a case of package maintainers needing a slap and a lesson in proper dependencies in their packages?19:19
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DocScrutinizerI'm sure Nokia and the 1024 pkg maintainers on extras-devel all welcome your help on this topic19:20
mr_jrt;)19:20
mr_jrt...point being that Maemo's not special....Debian et al all seem to manage it fine.19:21
DocScrutinizeroh really?19:22
DocScrutinizerI honestly doubt you could mix stable and bleeding edge on debian, and do a apt-get upgrade without running into issues19:22
DocScrutinizerand yes, maemo *is* special, in that it is using a metapackage to roll out whole system upgrades en-bloc rather than doing incremental upgrades on a per pkg basis19:24
mr_jrtEnabling sid for specific packages when backports aren't available seemed fairly common...though obviously anythign too complex has a sea of dependencies, requiring multiple versiosn of libs to be supported...which it usually seems to be for me.19:25
mr_jrt..anyways...thanks for the explanation.19:26
DocScrutinizerwhatever, I'm not interested in discussing this, esp here, as it's immutable for fremantle and for CSSU19:26
DocScrutinizerwe just have to deal with the way things are19:27
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