IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Tuesday, 2011-11-15

DocScrutinizerthanks for that :-)00:00
MohammadAG(which I returned today, it actually made my day when it turned off in the guy's hands and showed him Connect to iTunes)00:00
DocScrutinizerI hate those "this message delivered to you courtesy steve jobs"00:00
merlin1991:D00:01
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: we're a lil pissed about delay of T1700:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm more pissed00:01
DocScrutinizerI thought as much00:01
merlin1991get to a toilet?00:01
MohammadAGmerlin1991, har har00:01
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: wazzup, friend?00:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I need you to get X-Fade to copy the new package00:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, blowing into the laptop forces it to turn on00:02
MohammadAGthat's what's up00:02
DocScrutinizerwhat are our perspectives?00:02
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: holiday?00:03
MohammadAGnot really, got uni in about 7 hours00:03
DocScrutinizerso holiday finished, back form outback to civilization then?00:03
DocScrutinizerfrom*00:04
DocScrutinizerhope to see your fan get fixed eventually?`00:04
MohammadAGIsraeli holiday?00:04
MohammadAGthat was done like two weeks ago00:04
MohammadAGwhen I was bitching about my N95000:04
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sorry, you said you need *ME* to get x-fade to do sth?00:05
merlin1991MohammadAG: I'll talk to X-Fade abotu the packages when I succeed in pinging him00:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you're aware I'm on X-Fade 's ignore list?00:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yes, you have the unique ability of being able to ping someone and keep on doing that till he replies00:05
MohammadAGno, why's that?00:05
DocScrutinizerI called aegis spawn from hell00:06
DocScrutinizerthat was too much00:06
DocScrutinizeractually I guess it was my post like "probably my fingers will fall off when I touch that device with aegis on it" (OWTTE)00:07
MohammadAGmerlin1991, do that and ping me when he's done copying them00:07
MohammadAGI need to get this shit out asap00:08
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merlin1991MohammadAG: as I understand it we need libmaemosec-certman-applet0 and maemosec-certman-applet00:08
merlin1991amirite?00:08
MohammadAGyes00:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: source of this cert-manager applet got disclosed, we *could* get it generic00:09
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: no00:09
DocScrutinizerno?00:09
merlin1991source of this applet got diclosed @ version 0.0.900:09
merlin1991but the pr 1.3.1 is 0.1.400:09
DocScrutinizeroooh00:09
MohammadAGthe applet is closed,00:09
DocScrutinizerW*T*F00:09
MohammadAGthe diginotar bug fix is open source though00:09
DocScrutinizerMEH00:10
merlin1991MohammadAG: pali posted on tmo that he got hte source in gpled form00:10
merlin1991it looks legit but is too old00:10
DocScrutinizerI don't care that much about this silly applet00:10
MohammadAGi doubt they changed licenses00:10
MohammadAGshould we ask for the source?00:10
MohammadAGalthough the email clearly stated it's closed source00:10
DocScrutinizerjust felt like mentioning it00:10
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: see /topic ;-D00:11
merlin1991I'd copy the deb for now00:11
DocScrutinizersee ##topic00:11
merlin1991don't want to delay t-17 even longer00:11
DocScrutinizeractually http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=%23%23topic-11-1800:11
merlin1991hm I had something in mind to ad to cssu, but now I forgot it00:12
merlin1991MohammadAG: can you add a kernel component to gitorious?00:12
merlin1991there is a fix for stock kernel module on tmo that fixed problems with sd cards00:12
nealthat would be good00:13
arceanwhat about modified obex with PBAP and IrMC support?00:14
MohammadAGI'm not sure we should update the kernel right now00:14
MohammadAGI can make a component00:14
MohammadAGbut not sure about the uploading part00:15
MohammadAGfirst of all, if someone has power kernel, it'll overwrite it00:15
MohammadAGwhich is annoying for the user00:15
merlin1991MohammadAG: that's not about updating the kernel00:15
merlin1991it's just a module00:15
nealmodules are stored in a different directory00:15
MohammadAGmerlin1991, kernel-modules is part of kernel source00:15
merlin1991wich is a file in the fs, so it won't flash a kernel for that00:15
merlin1991well we don't have to depend on kernel-flasher, do we? :D00:16
MohammadAGif you update kernel-modules it'll update kernel00:16
MohammadAGand kernel-flasher00:16
MohammadAGthree packages are tied together00:16
merlin1991they are still 3 packages00:16
MohammadAGso either dpkg-divert (dirty crap)00:16
merlin1991imo you can install only 1 of them00:16
MohammadAGkernel-modules depends on kernel of the same (debian) version00:16
MohammadAGso no, you can't00:17
merlin1991I'll find a way :)00:17
MohammadAGwe need to mod the postinst in kernel-flasher to remove the image instead of flashing it if uname -r contains power00:17
MohammadAGor does not contain omap100:17
DocScrutinizer##comment to #topic deliver fixed .ko kernel drivers for stock kernel: above and below00:17
merlin1991MohammadAG: kernel-modules depsnds on nothing at all00:18
merlin1991only on module-init-toolds00:18
MohammadAGregardless00:18
merlin1991only flasher and the kernel package depend on each other00:18
MohammadAGyou shouldn't update modules without updating kernel00:18
MohammadAGit causes problems00:18
MohammadAGwhat if someone apt-get installs kernel?00:18
merlin1991what if it's not in the repo?00:18
DocScrutinizerdang00:19
MohammadAGthen you just did some fucked up shit you shouldn't do00:19
merlin1991:D00:19
DocScrutinizer##comment to #topic-11-18 deliver fixed .ko kernel drivers for stock kernel: above and below00:19
MohammadAGI'll see about it tomorrow00:19
MohammadAGmodding the postinst is the sanest idea00:19
MohammadAGif `uname -r` contains omap1, flash, else, clean up00:19
MohammadAG(clean up /boot that is)00:19
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merlin1991why is it so unthinkable to upgrade kernel modules when not upgrading kernel?00:19
merlin1991in the end we don upgrade the kernel itself, we'd flash the *same* version again00:20
DocScrutinizercouldn't we check if the modules's version matches the kernel's version?00:20
nealwe could check the hash of the file we are replacing00:20
merlin1991oh ffs00:20
merlin1991EACH KERNEL HAS IT'S OWN DIR FOR HIS MODULES00:21
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: we're not talking about flashing kernel at all00:21
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: mohammad is00:21
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: (EACH...) I toldya, didn't I?00:21
nealmerlin1991: Someone could rebuild the kernel with the same version string but different options00:21
nealmerlin1991: It would go in the same directory00:21
DocScrutinizerneal: brilliant00:22
merlin1991his point is that the kernel-flasher-modules are 3 packages that are tied together00:22
nealDocScrutinizer: no, stupid00:22
nealDocScrutinizer: but possible00:22
merlin1991while imo we coould just update 1 of them00:22
DocScrutinizerwhatever, I did same for SMSCB libsms.co00:22
DocScrutinizer.so00:22
nealDocScrutinizer: same = ?00:22
nealDocScrutinizer: Blindly overwrite?00:23
DocScrutinizermd5sum of original, then apply patch only if it's correct00:23
nealyes, although md5 is weak00:23
neal:)00:23
merlin1991sha512 yay00:23
merlin1991whatever doesn't matter00:23
DocScrutinizerhah00:23
nealwe could use aegis00:24
DocScrutinizer*cough*00:24
nealthen it is impossible to upgrade and this problem goes away :-)00:24
merlin1991best idea evar00:24
merlin1991backport aegis to fremantle via cssu00:24
nealDoes the N900 have the necessary TPM?00:24
* DocScrutinizer prepares the kicker cannon00:24
merlin1991nfc00:25
merlin1991and I don't care :D00:25
DocScrutinizerit has00:25
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DocScrutinizerbut we got a "hacked" xloader for N900, so this is already cracked and never again will go closed00:26
DocScrutinizerI.E. N900 NOLO doesn't need any signature00:26
merlin1991I'm just saying that we could create a modules package that has a different verions number than the stock one whilst still providing the moduels for the stock kernel00:31
merlin1991one could argue that kernel-version should be == packge version, but it isn't anyway00:32
merlin1991stock kernel is 2.6.28-omap1, whilst the package is 2.6.28-20103103+0m500:32
merlin1991so why shouldn't we just create a kernel-modules package with higher version number that includes the fix?00:33
merlin1991I mean every single  modle out there doesn't ship it's own kernel either00:33
merlin1991arcean: ping00:37
arceanpong merlin199100:37
merlin1991is there a way to find the desktop rotation state from a desktop widget?00:38
arceanwill investigete it, but AFAIK no00:39
arceananyway it should be trivial to add a proper dbus method to hd00:40
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* merlin1991 bought a spare n900 to run testing and stable00:49
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V13ehlo01:04
arceanhey01:04
arceanso, what method do you use to detect screen orientation?01:04
arceandirectly listening to mce?01:05
V13hm.. good q01:05
V13let me see that01:05
arceank01:05
V13i haven't checked that widget for months :)01:05
arceanyeah, harmattan stuff :P01:06
V13well.. not exactly.. i moved and had a number of things..01:06
V13still didn't had time to play with harmattan01:06
V13need to port couple apps over there :)01:06
arceanyup, where to port is equal to rewrite most of the app parts ;)01:09
V13i really hope not.. it's python+qt01:09
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V13ok.. it's based on gpodder's script01:15
V13with few modifications01:15
V13and it listens to mce01:15
merlin1991evil01:15
merlin1991:D01:15
arceanhmm, to be honest I have no idea what it looks like :)01:15
arceancould you pastebin?01:15
arcean*it01:15
V13which part ?01:15
arceanthe part where you get info about screen orientation01:16
V13it's mostly this: http://dorf.mancill.com/svn/deb/gpodder/trunk/src/gpodder/gtkui/frmntl/portrait.py01:18
V13hm.. didn't check all lines01:18
arceanok, thanks01:18
arceanso it's mce thing01:18
V13yeap01:19
V13but how is this related to desktops portrait mode ?01:19
arceanmce tells about device orientation not a screen one01:20
arceanhmm, but your app looks normal in portrait mode or do you have some strange problems?01:21
V13so cssu's hildon-desktop doesnt indicate an orientation change when desktop's orientation changes ?01:21
V13well.. the widget is DrLaunch01:21
arceannot yet01:21
arceanI'm planning to add a new signal to h-d01:21
V13which by definition detects orientation changes and rotates the icons :)01:21
V13so you end up with double-rotated icons01:21
arcean:nod:01:22
V13http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/drlaunch/01:22
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arceanthis new signal will be emitted when (as you told) screen changes its orientation01:22
V13is there a hack to find this out right now ?01:22
V13perhaps get the dimension of the screen ?01:23
V13and if width>height then landscape else portrait ?01:23
arceanyes, should be enough01:23
V13goody01:23
V13now.. how do we do this..01:23
V13mumble mumble01:23
arceanIIRC there was something in GLib01:24
V13i'm looking :)01:25
V13do you remember how we initialize gdk/gtk ?01:31
V13i remember it requiring an initialization...01:31
V13or was it for hildon only ?01:31
arceansomething like that should be enough: http://pastebin.com/rKHasQtu01:33
V13about the initialization ?01:34
V13that's the init.. gtk_init()01:34
V13need to remember the python name01:34
arceanyes01:34
arceanor hildon_init()01:34
arceanerr hildon_gtk_init(..)01:34
V13agr...01:36
V13http://pastebin.com/VXFuHnFL01:37
V13segfaults01:37
V13works on pc01:37
V13segfaults on sdk01:37
arceanheh strange01:39
merlin1991and on device?01:41
V13lets try01:41
V13s.get_width() -> 157206336001:42
V13nice01:42
V13i prefer the segfaults :-)))01:42
arceanok, so sending TRUE or FALSE on screen orientation changed event would be ok?01:42
arceanTRUE when it goes to portrait, otherwise false01:43
V13sorry.. i don't get it01:43
* V13 not a dbus expert01:43
V13rightnow it listens for a dbus signal. right ?01:44
arceanthere will be a new method which will provide info about current screen orientation01:44
V13sounds good01:44
arceanand a new signal which will be emitted when screen orientation changes01:44
V13are you talking for everything or just hildon-desktop ?01:45
arceanthe signal will also tell about new screen orientation01:45
arceana new things in h-d01:45
merlin1991arcean: whatbout a dbus method to get curren state + a changed signal?01:48
arceanmerlin1991: that's what I'm doing :)01:48
merlin1991well in that case you need no value on the changed event01:49
merlin1991since the app intally knows from wich state it comes01:49
arceanI'm not sure, app can be launched in portrait01:49
merlin1991well that's why it at first should ask for current state and then listen for state changes01:50
merlin1991(just my idea01:50
arcean:nod:01:50
merlin1991ofc the changed event could simply carry the state too01:50
V13got it01:56
V13gdk.screen_width()01:56
V13now.. if it only works with orientation changes01:57
V13it does01:58
V13excellent ! :-)01:58
merlin1991now if it only has a width changed event01:59
merlin1991then it'd be really excellent :)01:59
V13I have the orientation change already02:02
V13from mce..02:02
V13so it only needs to do a check after that02:02
V13that's easy02:02
V13the *hard* part is to find extra space02:02
V13because the top bar moves, leaving less available space02:02
V13in portrait it has 800 pixels width.02:02
V13in landscape i mean02:02
V13in portrait it will have less than 800 pixels height02:03
V13it kind of screws everything :)02:03
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V13do you know whether there is git or a working version of svn available for maemo any more ?02:09
V13I don't see git in apt-cache and svn segfaults02:10
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merlin1991there's some git in extras-devel02:16
merlin1991there's the git packge wich brings you git 1.6.502:17
merlin1991and there's git-all/git-core wich brings you 1.7.302:18
merlin1991ah sorry git-core is 1.6.602:18
V13all of them in extras-devel ?02:19
merlin1991yes02:19
V13thnks02:19
V13do you know if they exist for harmattan also ?02:19
merlin1991nfc there02:19
V13nfc ?02:19
merlin1991no fucking clue :)02:19
V13oh :)02:19
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V13gn8 & thnkx for the help02:41
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arceanohh wtf02:43
arceanhttp://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.toolkit/api_refs/5.0/dbusglib/dbus-binding-tool.html02:43
arceaneverywhere is blabla02:43
arceannice doc02:43
merlin1991rofl02:45
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* merlin1991 found a nasty bug with stable-cssu14:35
merlin1991the locked desktop orientation maked the dialer go nots if you get a call and hold the ui in portrait14:35
merlin1991s/ui/phone14:36
merlin1991X-Fade: ping14:36
merlin1991X-Fade: ping2 :)14:47
X-Fademerlin1991: multiple conversations going on at the same time ;)14:47
X-Fademerlin1991: Just talk to me :)14:47
merlin1991MohammadAG needs the pr1.3.1 packages (namely libmaemosec-certman-applet0 and maemosec-certman-applet) in the cssu-testing repo to release the new version, also what's the status on the stable repo?14:48
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merlin1991X-Fade: ^^14:57
X-FadeAsked for the binaries.14:57
merlin1991X-Fade: and the stable repo?14:59
merlin1991also any idea when we'll get the packages?15:02
X-FadeThe stable repo is setup afaik, need to check.15:02
X-FadeWe will get them when I get an answer ;)15:03
X-Fadehopefully today15:03
jonwilanswer from who?15:03
merlin1991if it's setup I'll need some details howto upload ;)15:05
merlin1991and the stable repo will need the 3 non-free packages too15:05
jonwilwhat non-free packages?15:05
merlin1991libmaemosec-certman-applet0 maemosec-cermtan-applet and modest-home-applet15:06
jonwillibmaemosec-certman-applet0 and maemosec-certman-applet but whats the third?15:06
jonwilwhy is modest-home-applet needed in cssu if its closed source?15:06
merlin1991because for some odd reason it got removed as long as we didn't have it15:06
jonwilcouldn't you just make it as a dependency of community-pr or whatever it is?15:07
merlin1991yes, but to have that smoothly we have to have it in the repo too, or the user can't install cssu when the nokia ssu repo is disabled15:07
jonwilhmmm good point15:08
jonwilalthough I cant see why anyone would want to have the nokia SSU repo disabled15:08
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DocScrutinizer51given CSSU is also Complementary SSU I don't see why we should bother about install without nokia repo enabled15:26
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, I'm not saying we should update all 319:47
MohammadAGbut if we don't we might break some stuff in the future for some cases19:47
MohammadAGso better stay safe than sorry19:47
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freemangordonMohammadAG ping20:07
freemangordonMohammadAG, if a problems with your laptop are stopping you from releasing CSSU testing 17, I can build whatever is needed on my machine20:09
merlin1991freemangordon: I could do that too20:09
merlin1991but atm it's nokia we're waiting for20:09
freemangordonyeah, but it could mess your environment20:10
merlin1991the pr 1.3.1 debs need to be added to the repo20:10
freemangordonahaa20:10
merlin1991MohammadAG: X-Fade said he asked for the debs and they will come hopefully today20:10
freemangordongood20:10
DocScrutinizervery good20:10
merlin1991though since nokia is a european company I guess we won't see them today :/20:11
freemangordonmerlin1991, I really don't think it is a good idea to compile testing branch on "stable release" machine20:11
freemangordonwhy? what day is it?20:11
merlin1991where would the fun be when not doing it? :D20:11
merlin1991freemangordon:  it's 7 pm20:11
merlin1991kinda past working hours20:12
freemangordonhm, I left my office 7:30 :)20:12
freemangordonlocal time I mean20:12
merlin1991also I'd create a target especially for cssu testing20:12
merlin1991wouldn't want to mess my target :)20:12
freemangordonok, just have in mind that you need to install several -dev packages AFAIK20:13
freemangordonfrom CSSU20:13
freemangordonQT 4.7.4 being one of them20:13
freemangordonBTW why we don't just pull that precios .debs from repo?20:14
freemangordonmerlin1991^^^20:18
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freemangordonanyone have an idea why Qt is not thumb compiled?20:20
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merlin1991thumb compiled?20:41
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freemangordonyep, with thumb instruction set20:44
freemangordonthat would reduce binaries about two times20:44
freemangordonand should reduce consumed memory too20:44
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* merlin1991 wonders if there are proper backsripts to backup the state of a sb target20:53
freemangordonhmm, I've just compiled thumb enabled program(web browser) using Qt creator, and it seems working. Now will try to rebuild Qt 4.7.4 from CSSU repo.21:12
MohammadAGfreemangordon, the problem is X-Fade not copying it yet21:12
freemangordonMohammadAG, ok. BTW do you have any idea why thumb is not used on n900?21:13
MohammadAGfreemangordon, it crashes a lot21:14
freemangordonwhere?21:14
MohammadAGI used it on Ubuntu 10.1021:14
MohammadAGfreemangordon, randomly21:15
freemangordonI am talking about Maemo, not Ubuntu :)21:15
freemangordonkernel is different21:15
MohammadAGfreemangordon, yes I know21:16
MohammadAGno, the kernels' the same21:16
MohammadAGfor Ubuntu and maemo, I used the same 2.6.28 kernel21:16
freemangordonanyway, I am clonning Qt from CSSU and will compile it with thumb, lets see. If it works it will save huge amount of ram21:17
MohammadAGmultiboot wasn't an option and uboot didn't exist then21:17
freemangordonthe same?21:17
freemangordonomap1?21:17
freemangordonon which PR?21:17
MohammadAGfreemangordon, this is the patch I used21:17
MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/thumbpatch.patch21:17
MohammadAGfrom Stskeeps afaik21:17
MohammadAG+ some debian stuff21:17
MohammadAGor not21:18
MohammadAGit's missing a patch21:18
freemangordonyeah, that is .config only21:18
MohammadAGyeah, noticed21:19
MohammadAGStskeeps probably still has the patch21:19
freemangordonin PR1.3 there is a kernel patch for thumb21:19
freemangordonthat is why I am asking on which PR/kernel you did your tests21:19
MohammadAGfreemangordon, not sure, if uboot didn't exist then...\21:20
freemangordonyeah, PR1.221:20
freemangordonanywa, I am on KP49 :D. Lets see21:21
MohammadAGfreemangordon, merlin1991 btw, it'd be helpful if you compile Qt for me :P21:22
MohammadAGmy laptop's fan is stable for small compilations, mainly cause I can kick it if the fan stops21:22
freemangordonwith thumb :p ?21:22
MohammadAGbut when I'm compiling Qt I usually go out21:22
MohammadAGwith fingers21:22
freemangordonsure, np, just let me finish my test21:23
MohammadAGoh yeah21:24
MohammadAGI was bored in class today so I literally wrote some code21:24
MohammadAGlet's see how many lines of crap it has in it21:24
merlin1991MohammadAG: I've compiled the latest qt for stable21:27
MohammadAGmerlin1991, version number?21:28
merlin1991cssu621:28
freemangordoncssu6?21:28
freemangordongood21:28
merlin1991MohammadAG: I'll upload you the full pack21:29
merlin1991freemangordon: actually not good, but I couldn't otherwise since MohammadAG made a single commit to gitorious for cssu5 and cssu621:30
merlin1991even if I wanted I couldn't ceck out the right version :/21:30
freemangordonthat should be stable AFAIK21:30
merlin1991MohammadAG: hildon_desktop_lock is flawed21:30
MohammadAGhow?21:31
merlin1991enable hildon_desktop_lock21:31
merlin1991get a call21:31
merlin1991hold phone in portrait21:31
merlin1991search for the fsckd deny button21:31
MohammadAGit probably won't rotate21:31
MohammadAGoh yeah21:31
MohammadAGblame Nokia21:31
MohammadAGphone app listens to mce rather than hildon21:31
MohammadAGsame happens with orientation lock21:31
MohammadAGa workaround is to write true into the keyboard opened gconf key21:31
MohammadAGor open the keyboard21:32
merlin1991we initally wanted to run stable with a lock enabled by default now it's just ui_can_rotate false21:32
MohammadAGor patch the phone app to listen to a custom DBus signal21:32
merlin1991or rather not just but instead21:32
MohammadAGI'm still convinced we shouldn't ship stable right now21:32
DocScrutinizerwhich btw works just nice for me21:32
MohammadAGand instead focus on writing stuff that makes it seem stable21:33
MohammadAGas I suggested, "Your phone supports portrait, please set your defaults etc21:33
MohammadAG"21:33
merlin1991I dunno21:34
merlin1991stable isn't goign to get anyone who's already on testing, and it's a true stable21:35
DocScrutinizerwe don't want new patches to make stable more stable, we rather kick out things that aren't stable yet, and ship the rest. If we end with a plain stock "stable" in the end, fine so be it21:35
MohammadAGtechnically once you send stable out you can't do that stuff21:36
MohammadAGfor one reason, you need to store a "Message/notice shown" config21:36
MohammadAGif that doesn't exist now, at some point old users will see "Your phone supports portrait" and be like "pfft, it already had portrait"21:36
DocScrutinizerunbearable21:37
DocScrutinizer"the settings this version installed disable all CSSU augmented stuff like portrait mode, to get you an initial experience as close to stock maemo-PR1.3.6 as possible. You may enable portrait, pink pony etc in acme-ssu-config app, Don't forget to rearrange your icons in portrait mode"21:40
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merlin1991wiki says "The cssu stable branch comes with default settings that are considered stable, you can enable various features by tweaking the following settings: " atm21:42
merlin1991MohammadAG: uploading atm, might take some time21:43
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merlin1991MohammadAG: http://87.106.163.159/~christian/qt/21:53
X-Fademerlin1991: Didn't forget about you yet. Tomorrow you will have my attention, I promise :)21:54
MohammadAGnice, binaries only :D21:54
X-FadeMohammadAG: And I have your debs too.21:54
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MohammadAGmy debs?21:55
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X-FadeThe certman ones.21:55
X-FadeWill add them tomorrow too.21:55
merlin1991thanks X-Fade :)21:56
merlin1991MohammadAG: do you want me to upload the fsckd source tar.gz too?21:58
merlin1991takes forever todo so21:58
MohammadAGmerlin1991, no no no22:12
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freemangordonit seems only that https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/1121 is needed on qt side22:51
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