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| merlin1991 | "morning" | 01:17 |
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| merlin1991 | everyone asleep? BORING! | 01:48 |
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| Damnshock | merlin1991: not everyone | 01:51 |
| Damnshock | ;) | 01:51 |
| merlin1991 | I had a funny driver safety training yesterday :D | 01:52 |
| merlin1991 | now I know for sure, that my care behaves like crap on a wet surface | 01:52 |
| Damnshock | well, everyone knows that | 01:53 |
| Damnshock | ;) | 01:53 |
| merlin1991 | also avoiding obstacles without an abs break is hard but fun :) | 01:54 |
| Damnshock | tell me about it | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | I like the feeling when the car completely loses ground contact | 01:54 |
| Damnshock | abs has saved my ass a couple of times on my bike | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | feels like free floating xD | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | my peugeot has nothing to help me, even the tires are sorta crap :/ | 01:55 |
| Damnshock | that's manageable: you can always buy better ones ;) | 01:55 |
| merlin1991 | yea :D | 01:57 |
| merlin1991 | but getting abs isn't that manageable | 01:57 |
| Damnshock | I know | 01:57 |
| Damnshock | luckily I listed to my mum when we got the bike | 01:57 |
| merlin1991 | on the other hand, when I get my next car there probably isnt going to be any car without abs :D | 01:58 |
| Damnshock | hahahhahahaha | 01:58 |
| Damnshock | I could say the same about my bike | 01:58 |
| Damnshock | it's getting close to three years now | 01:58 |
| Damnshock | wow | 01:58 |
| Damnshock | it's been three years already! | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | my car is from 2002 | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | but I bought it about 1 year ago | 01:59 |
| merlin1991 | I guess even now it would be damn hard to find a new car that doesn't have abs | 02:00 |
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| MohammadAG | the ABS light always goes on in the golf I drive | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if that's a bad/good thing, but the light's orange so it's like a warning I think | 02:11 |
| Damnshock | that means it ain't working | 02:12 |
| Damnshock | you should have it checked | 02:13 |
| Damnshock | I can't afford a car right now | 02:13 |
| Damnshock | a parking spot in Barcelona can go over 100€ per month | 02:13 |
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| s3cz0n3 | Anybody have any suggestions for bringing an N810 WiMax back to life with a creative mod?(Debian, Meego, etc.) | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | Damnshock, it only lights up when I press the brakes hard | 02:22 |
| Damnshock | MohammadAG: then it means it *is* working ;) | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | damn car system, it should stfu about it | 02:29 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: :D | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | Damnshock: technically parking spots in vienna are free | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | but on the other hand you don't find any empty ones that are free xD | 02:57 |
| Damnshock | hahaha | 02:57 |
| Damnshock | not here | 02:57 |
| Damnshock | you must pay even if you leave here | 02:57 |
| Damnshock | although it's not that much on the street | 02:58 |
| merlin1991 | that's crazy | 02:58 |
| merlin1991 | paying for the parking spots on the street | 02:58 |
| merlin1991 | wtf! | 02:58 |
| Damnshock | well, you have to in Barcelona | 02:59 |
| Damnshock | it's known as "green zone" | 02:59 |
| Damnshock | the "blue zone" is for everybody | 02:59 |
| Damnshock | and it's *crazy* expensive | 02:59 |
| Damnshock | 2'5€ per hour | 02:59 |
| Damnshock | more than real pparking spots xD | 02:59 |
| * merlin1991 wtfs again | 03:00 | |
| flailingmonkey | i've been lurking on Bug 11976 | 03:02 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11976 viewing sms conversations in portrait mode without horizontal scrolling (patch) | 03:02 |
| flailingmonkey | and using the patch, it works well. looks pretty close to completion, just details of packaging | 03:03 |
| flailingmonkey | but I'm also wondering what options exist for making Conversations auto-rotate (without using global force-rotation) after having the patch applied? | 03:04 |
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| flailingmonkey | no takers? | 03:59 |
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| flailingmonkey | MohammadAG: how would the Conversations app be set to auto-rotate (rather than using global forced-rotation, or Ctrl-Shift-R)? that's the only thing missing from the proposed solution to bug 11976, tohave portrait mode Conversations | 05:05 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11976 viewing sms conversations in portrait mode without horizontal scrolling (patch) | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: figure this: here you must "buy" the already existing parking spaces in front of your house on the street when you're going to open a shop, esp restaurant or pub | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you may not reserve them for your customers, nor ask for any fee when somebody is going to park there | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | my newest business idea: sell special trailers that can lift your car on top when you stop it on side of the trailer. Such a trailer is quite cheap for the number plate and tax (like ~100EUR/y) and may stay on any parking space as long as it likes | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you get your own private exclusive parking for ~100bucks per year | 07:13 |
| flailingmonkey | very clever DocScrutinizer | 07:14 |
| psycho_oreos | that'll piss people off, especially within city areas where parking is already a premium | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, not my problem though ;-D | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I may consider selling specially hardened trailers X-D | 07:15 |
| psycho_oreos | though I'm not going to defend those who have to put up with the idea, but if lots of people do that I'm sure other businesses would call towing trucks to tow these trailers away even if it is by force :) | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | premium protection of your premium class car when parking in premium zones where you have to deal with vandalism | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | tow away a trailer is like auto theft | 07:17 |
| psycho_oreos | but businesses can do that if they deemed it to be a nuisance or preventing them from achieving their sales | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | not here | 07:18 |
| psycho_oreos | nice | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, afaik. Need to consult a lawyer prior to searching for venture capital | 07:19 |
| psycho_oreos | though I'm sure it'll be a matter of time before they crack out the whip if lets say 75% of the people who use that trailer idea within city areas | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | local authorities may outlaw it with no effort | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a matter of days or months | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then I sold my trailers | 07:20 |
| psycho_oreos | you probably won't reap much unless if the city area is huge or you raise the price of each of these special trailers to like maybe twofold :) | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a luxury thing anyway, so price doesn't matter really | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | clearly no mass market product | 07:22 |
| psycho_oreos | sounds a bit like in the case of aava phones :D | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | which also will keep chances low for authorities to get active about it | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme put it this way: somebody who got 120kEUR for a premium class car, but finds himself parking the car 5 min away from his downtown office due to lack of parking lots, this guy may consider paying a considerable part of the cost of car for such a trailer | 07:25 |
| flailingmonkey | see I was thinking these were those rigs which lift a car up above another parking spot | 07:27 |
| flailingmonkey | like you see in some parking lots | 07:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you could probably do this if you need a second parking space for your friends or wife ;-) | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | (reconnect, sorry) | 07:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where's moh? | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | (autorotation) I'm definitely averse of that rotate stuff, don't want it as it usually only annoys me. I hope it will sort out for those apps that started to rotate lately even when I don't want them to | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think HAM been one of those | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably comes in handy for installing/deleting/updating apps while you're biking | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 07:35 |
| flailingmonkey | lmao | 07:35 |
| flailingmonkey | rotation, auto or otherwise, works well for Conversations, once the CSS files are patched, as is described in bug 11976 | 07:36 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11976 viewing sms conversations in portrait mode without horizontal scrolling (patch) | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke povbot | 07:36 |
| flailingmonkey | but there isn't exactly a good way to change orientation in Conversations. there is the Ctrl-Shift-R to enable the rotation at runtime | 07:37 |
| flailingmonkey | or force-rotation in the transitions.ini | 07:37 |
| flailingmonkey | I think the sensitivity/detection of when to rotate could use fine-tuning, to reduce false-positives | 07:38 |
| flailingmonkey | they're more annoying than false-negatives | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | force app-specific rotation in transitions.ini??? >:-( | 07:38 |
| flailingmonkey | sorry no, force app-specific rotation | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: please don't tell me we got a per-app setting in transitions.ini now | 07:39 |
| flailingmonkey | sorry no, force-rotation is not app-specific | 07:40 |
| flailingmonkey | (messed that up) | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 07:40 |
| flailingmonkey | because I was reading your message while writing mine | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise I had to send out my army of bats | 07:40 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, so you can rely on global force-rotation, but that sucks | 07:41 |
| flailingmonkey | i only want apps that will not break to use rotation, so I was wondering how an app's rotation stuff can be controlled | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | as nobody liked my idea to get a X-MAEMO-ROTATION in .desktop, we need another way to keep the rotation settings per app apart from each other | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I raised same concern as the last post of yours some 3 months ago | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway transitions.ini definitely is the most wrong place to keep such bits, as it's one file and there's no clean way to install app specific stuff to there | 07:45 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, it's become a dumping ground, mostly because its where people were already editing to enable/change stuff | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my book that's clearly something to go to the .desktop files | 07:47 |
| flailingmonkey | certainly makes sense | 07:47 |
| flailingmonkey | I wonder what code detects orientation change from accelerometer values | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've been told there's a bit to enable rotation somewhere in X calls to open app's window, but how's an app that never cared about rotation meant to set this bit, even worse clear it | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question. Usually this was mce | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | but seems mce isn't used here, and somebody hacked a dirty botch into hildon desktop | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I elaborated on that whole topic in epic length here in this chan back when we first tackled that problem. Was about API incompatibilities and what not | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe chanlog will give you some hits | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I forgot 90% of what others told me about it, but back then I had all the bits together and gave a well founded advice on how to go about it | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I was WTF when I thought we got per-app in transitions.ini now nevertheless | 07:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 07:56 | |
| flailingmonkey | sorry, got distracted by x-files | 08:04 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, per-app in transitions.ini would be completely WTF | 08:04 |
| flailingmonkey | i'll browse chanlog to learn more | 08:07 |
| flailingmonkey | "hacked a dirty botch" seems to be the approach of choice for further dev of maemo5 :p | 08:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas you might be right there | 08:36 |
| flailingmonkey | there is a sayin | 08:44 |
| flailingmonkey | "amateurs do it until they get it right. professionals do it until they can't get it wrong" | 08:45 |
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