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| Damnshock | Damnshock: re setup, what's the issue? <--- I find it kind of difficult an not very intuitive | 12:53 |
| Damnshock | I installed scratchbox and so on | 12:53 |
| Damnshock | but... how am I supposed to develop for the device? can I use qtcreator? | 12:54 |
| Damnshock | how can I test the cssu from git? | 12:54 |
| Damnshock | what's the proper way to build the packages? | 12:54 |
| Damnshock | there are sooooo many things :S | 12:54 |
| lardman | you can use qt creator, yes | 12:54 |
| lardman | Run it outside SB, point it to the Qt install within SB when it asks you | 12:55 |
| lardman | then go into SB and build the code there | 12:55 |
| lardman | I'm also not sure about the CSSU stuff, but I guess you check it out, build it, install it and hey presto | 12:55 |
| lardman | yes, there is a proper way to build packages | 12:55 |
| lardman | use dpkg-source -x package_name.dsc to extract the tarball and apply patches | 12:56 |
| lardman | cd into the dir it creates and use: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 12:56 |
| lardman | that should clean then build, and spit out a deb or two in the original dir | 12:56 |
| lardman | stunned silence? ;) | 13:00 |
| Damnshock | sorry | 13:01 |
| Damnshock | no no | 13:01 |
| Damnshock | I'm reading | 13:01 |
| Damnshock | mmmm | 13:01 |
| Damnshock | the thing is... some packages depend on the others | 13:01 |
| Damnshock | can I install them within scratchbox? or what? | 13:01 |
| Damnshock | iirc the cssu can only be compiled for ARM | 13:02 |
| Damnshock | :S | 13:02 |
| lardman | yes you install them within SB | 13:02 |
| lardman | you won't be able to run them with a ui in ARM mode, but if they are deps then just install themn | 13:02 |
| Damnshock | mmm how can I test them, then? | 13:04 |
| lardman | on the device | 13:04 |
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| Damnshock | wow | 13:08 |
| Damnshock | that's kinda a heavy burden | 13:08 |
| Damnshock | everytime I compile I must move the packages to the device and then test them | 13:08 |
| Damnshock | :S | 13:08 |
| Damnshock | that'll be difficult as I use my N900 for work sometimes | 13:09 |
| Damnshock | mmmm | 13:09 |
| Damnshock | it's kinda risky | 13:09 |
| lardman | yes, but that's life | 13:09 |
| lardman | I'm not sure whether some of the devs dual boot with the CSSU on an SD card | 13:10 |
| Damnshock | mmmm | 13:10 |
| lardman | that would be a possibility I guess, would take some setting up though | 13:10 |
| Damnshock | I wanted to work on that calender thing we were saying the other day | 13:11 |
| Damnshock | if we could build a calendar app that could rotate... | 13:11 |
| Damnshock | it's maybe the only thing I miss in portrait mode | 13:11 |
| lardman | well working on the calendar isn't very risky, unless you need to use the calendar every day | 13:11 |
| Damnshock | not really | 13:11 |
| lardman | working on the desktop would be more risk as you could start reboot looping | 13:12 |
| Damnshock | I need the internet connection an the ssh client | 13:12 |
| Damnshock | that's what I need the most | 13:12 |
| lardman | well I see no issue there | 13:12 |
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| Damnshock | I'll what I can do, probably next month though | 13:16 |
| lardman | cool | 13:17 |
| Damnshock | *I'll see | 13:20 |
| Damnshock | hehe | 13:20 |
| Damnshock | I'm more of a scripting guy though | 13:20 |
| Damnshock | :S | 13:20 |
| lardman | Not sure I'm going to get much done before then anyway | 13:20 |
| Damnshock | any thoughts about the calendar? | 13:20 |
| lardman | But I will see if I can build the Meego Calendar for Maemo | 13:20 |
| Damnshock | I mean, the UI | 13:20 |
| lardman | not really, I need to sit down and think about it | 13:21 |
| Damnshock | mmm that sounds interesting | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: (dualboot CSSU) not yet, as nobody made meego compliant with booting from uSD | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | for risk management I suggest installing backupmenu and creating a proper snapshot of your untainted system. In case anything goes bonkers with testing CSSU stuff you restore that image | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a lot of fixes in cssu that can't get tested anywhere else than on a full maemo system (read "N900") - e.g patched hildon desktop, kernel patches, etc | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | primary aim of cssu is to supply (possibly BETTER/FIXED) versions of system software that can't go to extras-devel as they replace parts of the core system and so wouldn't install on a stock PR1.3 | 18:50 |
| Damnshock | as far as I know | 18:54 |
| Damnshock | it's a replacement for PR1.3 | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely not | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a auxiliary repository that provides a metapackage for core apps (those the system needs to function and thus are all included in the stock MetaPackage), plus the *alternative* parts for the bits in that metapackage that got changed | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as any bit of sw could get installed on stock PR1.3 it doesn't belong to CSSU | 19:01 |
| Damnshock | yeah, you are right | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g you can have multiple calendars quite probably (diablo had quite a few) | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you can't have multiple alternative hildon desktops or dialers installed | 19:02 |
| Damnshock | but I could substitute the dialer, right? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so calemdar goes to extras-devel, while modified hildon desktop gies to CSSU | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, you can (in theory) substitute the dialer, and as there can't be more than one on a maemo system (probably), the new dialer would replace the old one and go to CSSU | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | given it exactly has the same functionality (plus addons) as the old stock dialer has | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'd like to add my PoV: it goes to CSSU not any earlier than it's been tested for some weeks on some devels' devices and has proven to work and not introduce regressions | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it might go to cssu-testing | 19:06 |
| Damnshock | that should be the way to go | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it works in cssu-testing for several hundered users for several weeks and no bugs show up (which damn better should be the case, for the devels' sake ;-D), it eventually will go to CSSU-stable | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | atm we got WAY TO MANY completely untested contributions to cssu-testing, which better had stayed on some devel's private homepage or local disk, until they received quite a period of review | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a cetain level of maturity | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. atm cssu-testing is misnomed and should be cssu-experimental | 19:11 |
| Damnshock | well, strictly speaking you are correct | 19:11 |
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| Damnshock | although you must have extras-devel enable, don't you? | 19:12 |
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