| Jaffa | MohammadAG: So, it's a hub/leaf/router system? Broadcast chat or IM? The latter gets into routing issues, but the former is - basically - IRC over Bluetooth, right? | 00:04 |
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| MohammadAG | technically, yes, clients connect to a server and that broadcasts messages | 00:09 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: But servers also communicate messages to each other? (if I understood the scrollback correctly) | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | though I plan to have features present on IM clients, like "Someone is typing a message...", avatars, emoticons, etc | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, if a server connects to another one then it's a client that serves others | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | so yes | 00:10 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Have you had any thoughts about regressing Qt until some of the bugs have been fixed? | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes, but that's not possible, apt can't upgrade | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | err, downgrade* | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: That's what epochs are for. | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | btw, besides text selection, what other bugs are there? | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | 2:4.7.0 is still considered 4.7.0, but is a "higher" version than 4.7.2 or 1:4.7.2 (IIRC) | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | I've read comments about colours in apps, but not seen any bug reports. | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | colours? | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Missing | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | Can't find it again, even though I just read it in the CSSU thread | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | Or a "missing background on My<something> widget" | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | I'd be interested to see how those apps perform on Qt 4.7.2 on a desktop | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | e.g, my app, PSFreedom, kinda got broken with 4.7.0 | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | turns out I was using a bug from 4.6.2 :P | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | so the apps might have been dependent on bugs that were fixed, and so broke it | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | Still a regression, especially if it's closed source and on Ovi. | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, still, I'd prefer if someone helps us get them sorted | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | Well, indeed. | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | we haven't reverted to modest 3.4, and that seems to be a bit more critical to some users | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 is a pretty shitty bug report, though | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | (FWIW, it doesn't crash here) | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | Nor here. | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, don't blame the bug, all bugs on there are ignored | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | I submitted an MR for this, it was pulled and merged upstream | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | what's the status of the bug? http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323 | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: As a developer, that bug report is rubbish. If it's describing a bug in code, some test case is useful :-) | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, the bug affects all text selection in Qt | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | including the built in about Qt dialog | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Right, but it doesn't say:"Install CSSU (or build Qt 4.7/2 | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | 1) Install CSSU (or build Qt 4.7.2 from http://gitorious.org/...) | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | Well, you have a point there, but this is an upstream bug | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | 2) Launch a Qt application, such as $APP (preferably Qt-provided) | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | 3) Select text by <holding shift and using cursor keys, after giving focus to a text field?> | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | Yes, QTBUG-16323 and the Maemo Qt bugs are shockingly managed, but garbage-in, garbage-out ;-) | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | (i.e. they won't get better without demonstrating they can be continually useful, which 16323's MR does) | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, any simple pointer as to where text selection is handled would be helpful | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | No idea about the Qt source. | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | one would just go over the commit history on that file and see what broke it | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | w00t might be able to help | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | is he still around? | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | Dunno actually | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, http://pastebin.com/JSzwbEbf | 01:08 |
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| Jaffa | Looks like a good test case. | 02:00 |
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| mece | hmm qml apps seem to be suffering from latest qt versions.. | 12:22 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, https://gitorious.org/qtbug-testcases/textselection-testcase | 16:32 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Even nicer :-) | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Added a comment to QTBUG-18720? | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, not yet :) | 17:11 |
| ZogG | Jaffa, MohammadAG ping | 17:19 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, pong | 17:28 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG hey | 17:29 |
| ZogG | i'm gonna order part from mouser (microUSB connector) just wondered if you know which one fit to be 100% sure | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | I suck at HW :P | 17:30 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 told me but i want to be sure =)))) | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | any connector would solder on I think | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | someone put a miniUSB instead of a microUSB port | 17:30 |
| ZogG | lol | 17:32 |
| ZogG | i wonder how i can protect myself from this happenening second time | 17:33 |
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| ZogG | damn he sent me link to one but i think it has pins and n900 doesn't | 17:40 |
| ZogG | it has small surfaces as it's soldered to top | 17:40 |
| ZogG | i think i found better match | 17:40 |
| ZogG | but i want to be sure | 17:40 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i even called Nokia care in Israel =) | 17:51 |
| ZogG | actually they are uerocom but anyway | 17:51 |
| ZogG | they told me - they have nothing to do =) | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not surprised | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | Eurocom's crappy | 17:52 |
| ZogG | as it's not sold in uisrael | 17:52 |
| ZogG | i told them a it's almost same as n97 =) | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not an N97 | 17:53 |
| ZogG | yeah | 17:55 |
| ZogG | the connection i bet is the same | 17:55 |
| ZogG | even maybe n900 has better one | 17:55 |
| ZogG | i mean n97 has bttere one | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hey ZogG - which scalpel to use for a apendix resection? | 18:44 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 ? | 18:44 |
| ZogG | btw the battery you told me i can replace with is not alloweded to be sold in my region =) | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I bet MohammadAG will claim any knife will do, and somebody even used a chainsaw | 18:45 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 anyway check this one http://il.mouser.com/ProductDetail/JAE-Electronics/DX4R005H91R1500/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtMMZj6jYbQBRAg1xlez01M | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, nah, they used a drill actually | 18:46 |
| ZogG | it looks more like n900's one than one you send me, is it ok to go? | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | (I was serious about the miniUSB part btw) | 18:46 |
| ZogG | i don't want mini usb | 18:47 |
| ZogG | i'll go with microUSB and my roomate have aircraft glue somewhere | 18:47 |
| ZogG | he told it handles things like parts in aircraft that my port would never go off | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't fit without cutting some plastic anyway :P | 18:48 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 so is this one ok? | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | the one in the link looks about right to me | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fine | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not going to comment on t | 18:48 |
| ZogG | and is there any other battery i can use for replace as this one is not sold in Israel untill you want to send me one =P | 18:48 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 comment on what? | 18:49 |
| ZogG | on glue? | 18:49 |
| chem|st | good work with the cameraUI who ever hacked it | 18:49 |
| ZogG | i would go with that glue or eproxy as on TMO was told | 18:49 |
| ZogG | chem|st i think it was nicolai | 18:49 |
| chem|st | ZogG: autofocus/manualfocus/focussing is missing but ok | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: I'm not commenting on anything related on hw fixes, as I'm not happy with taking responsibility | 18:50 |
| ZogG | so DocScrutinizer51 what about battery i want to send them email with order now | 18:50 |
| chem|st | or I do not understand how to use it | 18:50 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 it's or you help me or i screw it up myself, no responsobility =) | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, it's a rewrite, not a hack :P | 18:51 |
| ZogG | it's kinda hack | 18:51 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 so? | 18:52 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: hacking == codeing /oldschool | 18:55 |
| ZogG | hacking is also patching and fixint/changing code | 18:55 |
| ZogG | so it fits | 18:55 |
| ZogG | it's nowdays they think of hacker as someone breaking in pentagon or nato =) | 18:56 |
| chem|st | and google hackfest is not breaking google servers but coding for google API or droid or something... | 18:57 |
| ZogG | chem|st so you may call Nokians hackers as they break maemo =)))) | 19:01 |
| chem|st | hehe | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: see /home/jr/Documents/N900/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: and http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/MB-0187-1E_DX4.pdf | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | compare for yourself | 19:57 |
| ZogG | <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: see /home/jr/Documents/N900/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg ? | 19:58 |
| ZogG | it's on your computer? =) lol | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | where the hell else should it be? | 19:59 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer the thing above vibrator (hihihi) is the battery? | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:59 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i think all microusb are standart anyway | 20:00 |
| ZogG | so it matters of form | 20:00 |
| ZogG | but battery | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | absolutely not | 20:00 |
| ZogG | i think they don't sell one you told me | 20:00 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer absolutly not how? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | footprint, thruhole vs smt, actual formfactor... | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | no, there's A and B receptacle, DocScrutinizer knows more about this | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | the N8 has a different one | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh that | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I guess we not even got any confusion about that | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw any AB would match as well, IF it matches for the rest of the factors | 20:02 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i ordered this one as well | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact AB and B of one manuf are more compatible than two B of different ones | 20:03 |
| ZogG | it's just not surface one | 20:03 |
| ZogG | but with pins =( | 20:03 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer nope actually i ordered this one with surface | 20:06 |
| ZogG | and it's one i found | 20:06 |
| ZogG | so it should match | 20:06 |
| ZogG | and i think it's type B as n900's | 20:06 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer how did you took metal protectors from chip? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't want to know | 20:07 |
| ZogG | i want actually in one case | 20:08 |
| ZogG | maybe soldering is gone | 20:08 |
| ZogG | than i need to solder it there | 20:08 |
| ZogG | http://icroon.eu/pic2.jpg - like this | 20:08 |
| RST38h | Urgh | 20:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head, depressed | 20:12 | |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer ? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ask RST38h :-D | 20:21 |
| ZogG | he hates me | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: for your convenience: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10102 | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're mixing things - it's me you think is hating you | 20:23 |
| ZogG | do you? | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I only hate you if you were the one doing this abomination "rework" linked above | 20:23 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer not me but what is the problem in this re-work - better than nothing | 21:38 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG you want me to say fuck? | 21:38 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG just replied him =) | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | heh :D | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: what can I say... It's just ugly - and of course I'd never remove so much of the shielding can, and the wires are too long for a proper USB2.0 480MB transfer rate | 22:03 |
| ZogG | better than nothing | 22:04 |
| ZogG | if i don't manage surface resold | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | also watch the poor camera | 22:04 |
| ZogG | i'll do solding on board to the contacts | 22:04 |
| ZogG | like a line of solding on board | 22:04 |
| ZogG | you don't get | 22:05 |
| ZogG | i want n900 | 22:05 |
| ZogG | i have iphone in box new one andi played with android | 22:05 |
| ZogG | but i want n900 as it much better | 22:06 |
| ZogG | i'm poor to get new one just cause whta happened | 22:06 |
| ZogG | so i would fix it anyway possibler | 22:06 |
| ZogG | and than i'll wait for meego device | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | your chances to fix it are better when you try to stay as close to original as possible | 22:07 |
| ZogG | but not sure if i want one from nokia | 22:07 |
| ZogG | and if i want meego as it more like android to me and no HW as far as i understand | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly judging by your questions I'd say your chances are minimal no matter what | 22:07 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, for what i see i have little bit silver on pads and almost everything on 5 pins | 22:07 |
| ZogG | so i hope original would do it | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:08 |
| ZogG | just some pads are almost out of silver contact =( | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no silver on them | 22:08 |
| ZogG | i mean color | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's tin aka solder, and you can err must add new solder anyway | 22:09 |
| ZogG | i would but someone told if it's offat all i wouldn't able to re-add it | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so first check if there's metal or plastic there | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | scratch it a tiny bit | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll see the difference | 22:10 |
| ZogG | i'll just try to send you pics tomorrow | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | good idea | 22:10 |
| ZogG | do not want to scratch | 22:10 |
| ZogG | i need find batteries for old camera i have =) | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | take pictures of the old receptacle as well | 22:11 |
| ZogG | thanx for help | 22:13 |
| ZogG | now i go to night shift | 22:13 |
| ZogG | and i'll ping you tomorrow | 22:13 |
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| habmala | Hi, I have a silly question about the cssu, does it brake any app-compatability, ie. will my regular apps from pr1.3 work in the cssu? | 22:22 |
| habmala | I'm thinking it seems stable enoth for me to jusp in and try it out, file some bugs and such ;) | 22:22 |
| habmala | enough* jump* | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | there's a problem with Qt Mobility 1.0 and Qt 4.7.2, it just needs recompiled packages and will be available in the next update | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | luckily, there aren't much Qt Mobility apps :P | 22:24 |
| habmala | cool, I'll see if I even have those installed then, If I do, I'll probably wait. | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Mobility 1.0 is preinstalled on PR1.3 | 22:30 |
| habmala | I guess that's why I found a bunch of libs, It was quite a while since I used apt-get though and HAM isn't really great in my oppinion ;) . *googling for a way to see if they are actually used* | 22:34 |
| habmala | Can't find Qt in HAM either, but I know I have it (since I have some games that uses it). Is there a quick command to just list versionnumbers in apt-get? *googling on* | 22:36 |
| habmala | found it ;P | 22:37 |
| habmala | My system seems to use a lot of Qt 4.7.0 (cant find the actuall Qt package but lots of libs and stuff) and QtMob. 1.0.2 | 22:45 |
| habmala | 4.7.5 for python-Qt4 | 22:46 |
| habmala | Will maybe try the upgrade later tonight (after thurough backups have been done ;]) | 22:46 |
| habmala | thanks so far.. | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | habmala, everyone has Qt | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | and Qt works fine | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | (except for a bug in highlighting) | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Mobility != Qt :) | 23:48 |
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