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| freemangordon | Good morn . Anyone want to give me some help (in form of ideas) ? Talking about portrait task manager, with forced rotation disabled apps which do not rotate look ugly in portrait . See here http://tinypic.com/r/30kzgr9/7 . Need ideas how to layout thumbnails. Anyone? | 11:44 |
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| merlin1991 | Freemangordon, can't just keep them non rotated? | 11:46 |
| merlin1991 | so one can instantly see they are landscape only? | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | You mean thumbnail to stay exactly as in landscape? | 11:47 |
| merlin1991 | Yea | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | I was thinking about that, and maybe in the end this will be the behaviour. In the meantime I hope for someone to come with something I did not think about. | 11:54 |
| merlin1991 | I actually like the idea :) | 11:54 |
| merlin1991 | shows you quick what's what and keeps the window content without editinng it | 11:55 |
| freemangordon | Yeah, but it will be sideways | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | Mean not consistent with current orientation | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | What do you think about landscaped tumbnail taking place of two portraited ones? | 12:00 |
| freemangordon | btw, anyone else? | 12:00 |
| Damnshock | hold on, just got back to the irc, have to catch up | 12:00 |
| Damnshock | freemangordon: you mean having both protrait and landscape thumbnails? | 12:02 |
| freemangordon | yes | 12:03 |
| Damnshock | the former taking two portrait ones in space? | 12:03 |
| Damnshock | mmmm | 12:03 |
| Damnshock | that sounds great | 12:03 |
| Damnshock | really great | 12:03 |
| freemangordon | with only even number of columns so aligment to be ease | 12:03 |
| freemangordon | *easy | 12:03 |
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| Damnshock | now that we are at it... the thumbnails get created everytime we get into the task manager, right? | 12:04 |
| Damnshock | by the way, I could live with a portrait task manager that behaved like the screenshot you posted | 12:05 |
| freemangordon | actually those are to options I had thing about. now waiting other (hopefully exotic :D ) ideas | 12:05 |
| freemangordon | yes, they are created everytime | 12:05 |
| Damnshock | freemangordon: you could as well post the landscape thumbs below/above the portrait ones | 12:05 |
| freemangordon | it is not that one cannot liw with it, I do not like it | 12:05 |
| freemangordon | *live | 12:06 |
| freemangordon | it absolutely inconsistent | 12:06 |
| freemangordon | you mean two tumbnails for an app? | 12:06 |
| Damnshock | nope, I mean two separete sections in the task manager | 12:07 |
| Damnshock | one for the portrait apps | 12:07 |
| Damnshock | and one for the landscape ones | 12:07 |
| freemangordon | This will be too complicated to be implemented. | 12:08 |
| Damnshock | really? pitty :( | 12:09 |
| freemangordon | yeah, additional, scrolls, grids, logic to keep every thumb position, etc... | 12:10 |
| freemangordon | and will break application sequense (mean sequense in which apps are thumbnailed in landscape) | 12:12 |
| Damnshock | hehe it was just an idea ;) | 12:12 |
| freemangordon | yeah, thanks, that is what I am asking for | 12:12 |
| freemangordon | btw, to make things more clear - what we see in task manager are not thumbnails, those are real application top windows, resized to frame (prison :D) size. It is not some shot of every app taken when task manager is started | 12:18 |
| Damnshock | freemangordon: yeah, you are right | 12:20 |
| Damnshock | as we can see things going on in them | 12:20 |
| MohammadAG | of course, that was of the main features of Maemo 5 :P | 12:20 |
| Damnshock | i was a problem of "words" | 12:20 |
| Damnshock | but I guess we understood each other | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | Hi MohammadAG, can you squeeze some bright idea from your younger than mine brain :D? | 12:22 |
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| MohammadAG | I'd just do as you said :P | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | have the landscape thumbnail take as much columns as the user has | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | if 3 columns are shown, stretch the thumbnail to the size of that | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | same for 1/2/3/4 | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | Acually that is the easyest way, the only problem is that if we have 4 columns, landscaped thumbnail will become so tiny I am not sure it will be readable at all. If I get the idea right of course. | 12:28 |
| freemangordon | Do you mean for lanscaped apps to have thumbnail with heihgt/2 and to fit app there\ | 12:29 |
| Damnshock | why don't you just make the landscaped previews bigger | 12:29 |
| Damnshock | that is, like taking the space of two portraited ones | 12:30 |
| freemangordon | Then we have problem with odd number of columns. How to overcome thet? | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | For example if first two applications are landscaped and we have 3 columns. | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | and... sotty for typos, still not have enough coffee | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | sorry* :D | 12:32 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon, if there are 4 columns, then it'd be 4 columns wide | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | technically, it's always the same size on screen | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | I need MS paint on linux... | 12:33 |
| freemangordon | yeah, it would be great if you could give a sample, I am not sure I understand you fully. | 12:34 |
| freemangordon | sketch? | 12:37 |
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| Damnshock | kolourpaint | 12:47 |
| Damnshock | :) | 12:47 |
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| Damnshock | well,I do not know the logic of the app | 12:50 |
| Damnshock | freemangordon: http://i52.tinypic.com/2dkxv6e.jpg | 12:55 |
| Damnshock | that's what I meant | 12:55 |
| freemangordon | Yeah, but this is 4 column mode i guess. Is it? | 13:00 |
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| freemangordon | and landscaped app should be half height to keep aspect ratio | 13:01 |
| Damnshock | why do we need to keep aspect ratio? | 13:02 |
| freemangordon | Hmm, take a screenshot of task manager in landscape and make it double height with some graphics editor. You will see why. | 13:04 |
| MohammadAG | http://i52.tinypic.com/2nk41li.jpg | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | something like that ^ | 13:05 |
| freemangordon | ahaa, I see. You mean landscaped apps to always take one row, so in sequense 2P->1L->1P we will have two thumbs in portrait with remaining cell empty, next row for landscaped one stretched to three columns and next row for last portraited one? | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | no need to reorder things | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | if an app is landscape, make it take one row, else follow portrait rules | 13:13 |
| Damnshock | MohammadAG: that image seems to be like those games that make you see things between figures | 13:14 |
| Damnshock | xD | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:14 |
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| freemangordon | so for three and four column modes worst-case would look like http://i52.tinypic.com/6par84.jpg ? | 13:18 |
| Damnshock | using a whole row doesn't necessarily mean the thumb should be full row size | 13:19 |
| Damnshock | does it? | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | no | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | 3 column mode would have 3 columns | 13:20 |
| Damnshock | freemangordon: by your aproach if you have 6 portrait apps and one landscape | 13:20 |
| Damnshock | the portrait thumb will be *SMALL* | 13:20 |
| freemangordon | this is what i understood from mohammadag's picture, not my approach | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | portrait ones should take the largest width possible | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | landscape ones would take the same width as all portrait ones combined | 13:21 |
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| freemangordon | so no more constant column count? | 13:22 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe this will work, let me think for a while | 13:22 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: actually whatabout having them all sized like the portrait ones | 13:44 |
| merlin1991 | but the landscape originals turned by 90°? | 13:44 |
| merlin1991 | that was actually my original idea | 13:45 |
| merlin1991 | hm still wrong words | 13:45 |
| merlin1991 | all windows same orientations and size | 13:45 |
| merlin1991 | but the content of the landscape ones rotated so it fits in | 13:45 |
| merlin1991 | that is my idea :P | 13:45 |
| Damnshock | well, qt mobility for fremantle | 13:46 |
| Damnshock | qt 4.7.3 | 13:46 |
| Damnshock | oh, sorry, that's not right. Besides, I'm mixing things | 13:49 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: I mean like this: http://imagebin.org/146993 | 13:51 |
| merlin1991 | images > words :D | 13:51 |
| Damnshock | wow, that's terrible | 13:52 |
| Damnshock | I'm sorry merlin1991 but I do not like it | 13:52 |
| Damnshock | at all | 13:52 |
| merlin1991 | well they should all have the same size, but that's my fail skills :D | 13:52 |
| merlin1991 | I personally would like that solution | 13:53 |
| merlin1991 | it easily shows me what's in the window, wich ones are portrait and doesn't change layout / get weird depending on the amount of landscape apps | 13:53 |
| merlin1991 | also looking at thumbnails you don't read what's there, you check the pic as a whole so if it's rotated 90° it doesn't make a difference imo | 13:54 |
| Damnshock | I rather have http://tinypic.com/r/30kzgr9/7 | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | I think ultimately that should be configureable | 13:55 |
| merlin1991 | since everyone wants it different :D | 13:55 |
| Damnshock | yeah, well, that might be the next step, right? | 13:55 |
| Damnshock | ;) | 13:55 |
| Damnshock | besides, freemangordon is doing the work AFAIK | 13:55 |
| Damnshock | therefore it will get done whenever he wants/can | 13:55 |
| merlin1991 | true :D | 13:56 |
| merlin1991 | or when someone picks the source and writes a patch :D | 13:56 |
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| merlin1991 | what I like about my idea is, that it doesn't change the layout of the taskswitcher, everything is the same size nothing moves around, ... and you still see the full windows | 13:57 |
| freemangordon | yeah, right, but I still see it as inconsistent. | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | I guess that comes down to taste :) | 13:59 |
| freemangordon | Ok guys, i have to leave for a while, keep thinking. Hopefully someone will give an idea none of us has tought about | 14:00 |
| merlin1991 | make triangles out of all windows and place them randomly into quads! | 14:00 |
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| Damnshock | by the way... where is that code at? | 14:11 |
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| merlin1991 | hm I had a deb @ some point, but no code | 14:16 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG should know | 14:16 |
| Damnshock | I know it's in gitorious, just in which project? | 14:17 |
| Damnshock | I might have a look when I get home... someday... I'm just so busy... | 14:17 |
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| mece | \o | 14:32 |
| Damnshock | hi mece | 14:32 |
| mece | I have been frustrated for a long time that icons don't update when installing new stuff | 14:33 |
| mece | so I did a lot of testing and research and came to a method that works. | 14:33 |
| Damnshock | which one is it? | 14:33 |
| mece | touch /usr/share/icon | 14:34 |
| mece | touch /usr/share/icons | 14:34 |
| mece | I mean | 14:34 |
| mece | with PR1.0 the soltution was to do gtk-update-icon-cache in postinst or something, but that stopped working when they stopped using gtk-update-icon-cache | 14:35 |
| Damnshock | haven't installed anything yet | 14:35 |
| Damnshock | hehe | 14:35 |
| mece | so, perhaps we could add touch /usr/share/icons to the now empty gtk-update-icon-cache script file, thus making the old solution work once again. | 14:36 |
| Damnshock | if that works | 14:38 |
| Damnshock | should be added to every app package | 14:38 |
| mece | hmm | 14:39 |
| mece | ahaa | 14:41 |
| Lava_Croft | nice, mece | 14:48 |
| mece | ok looking att the app manager sources, there's a force_icons_theme_reload function (that, according to the comments shouldn't be there because it's not app manager's business to refresh icons) | 14:53 |
| mece | that function apparently does not work, but we could still use the hack, by making it actually work, by adding something like system(" touch /usr/share/icons "); | 14:55 |
| mece | and #include <stdlib.h> | 14:56 |
| mece | thp, ping? | 14:57 |
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| thp | mece: pong | 15:10 |
| mece | thp, is hildon-application-manager stuff included in cssu? | 15:12 |
| mece | thp, I remember you did some stuff with the portrait mode on that | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: i reckon you dont me spreading your mediaplayer around a bit? | 15:20 |
| Lava_Croft | dont mind me* | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | Please, don't :P | 15:20 |
| Lava_Croft | its among tech-savvy folk | 15:20 |
| Lava_Croft | coders etc | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | no worries then, but I don't want the release to backfire | 15:21 |
| Lava_Croft | actually far more skilled than i am | 15:21 |
| Lava_Croft | ah yeah, i figured that out | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | i.e no tmo posts, please :P | 15:21 |
| Lava_Croft | haha, no way | 15:21 |
| Lava_Croft | that would be pretty anti-social | 15:21 |
| Lava_Croft | to say the least | 15:21 |
| thp | mece: yep, HAM is in the cssu | 15:23 |
| Lava_Croft | HAM is slower because of some kind of error-checking, right? | 15:23 |
| Damnshock | mmm can't wait to use the portrait manager | 15:23 |
| Lava_Croft | slower than the awesomely named fapman | 15:23 |
| Damnshock | hehehe | 15:23 |
| Lava_Croft | error/security checks | 15:23 |
| mece | thp, well anyway, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/blobs/master/src/operations.cc#line698 this function doesn't work as advertised | 15:24 |
| thp | mece: have a patch? | 15:24 |
| mece | force_icons_theme_reload. But if we'd do a system(" touch /usr/share/icons "); there instead of all that complicated crap it should work. | 15:24 |
| mece | I don't have an environment here to make stuff properly | 15:25 |
| thp | isn't there an easier way to do a touch operation than using system()? | 15:25 |
| mece | thp, no idea, that's the first method I came up with | 15:25 |
| mece | thp, I doubt there's one easier to write than that one line.. | 15:26 |
| Damnshock | mece: maybe there's a function call from a library | 15:26 |
| Damnshock | that'd be easier than calling and external app for the job | 15:26 |
| Damnshock | easier from the resources point of view | 15:27 |
| thp | also, wouldnt the operation in question need root privileges? | 15:27 |
| mece | thp, doesn't ham run as root? I mean it installs stuff | 15:27 |
| mece | which requires root | 15:27 |
| mece | hmm ok the ui wouldn't run as root I guess. | 15:28 |
| mece | anyway, I don't know what would be a good method of doing it, but giving /usr/share/icons the bad touch makes the icons refresh, which it does not lest you reboot otherwise. | 15:31 |
| thp | the goal would be to have the icon cache in h-d be refreshed right? | 15:31 |
| mece | thp, aye | 15:31 |
| mece | thp, in early maemo5 times foing gtk-update-icon-cache did just that, but icon cache is not used anymore, but the method I mentioned acomplishes the same thing. | 15:32 |
| thp | mece: what about sending a d-bus signal from ham to hd? | 15:36 |
| mece | thp, please elaborate, you mean a dbus signal that executes the touch command or something more clever? | 15:38 |
| thp | well the only process that needs to know is hildon desktop and maybe hildon home, right? | 15:43 |
| mece | thp, I don't really follow, need to know what? | 15:45 |
| thp | when new icons are available/when the icons need to be reloaded | 15:51 |
| mece | I dunno, is it hildon that takes care of that stuff? | 15:53 |
| mece | uh I need to go. Back later. ta | 15:53 |
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| merlin1991 | thp: today I saw a guy @ university that looks 100% like you, only younger :P | 16:39 |
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| thp | merlin1991: maybe it was me. shaved this morning | 17:04 |
| merlin1991 | thp: I don't think you visit "Grundzüge der Informatik" :D | 17:04 |
| merlin1991 | also there's no thp in the tuwel group ;) | 17:05 |
| thp | ok :) | 17:06 |
| thp | who is your lecturer @ grundz d. inf? | 17:06 |
| merlin1991 | no idea, I just visit the groups and do that tests :D | 17:07 |
| merlin1991 | since it's more than easy | 17:07 |
| chem|st | I do 4- years by just shaving^^ | 17:18 |
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| merlin1991 | when I shave people ask me if I'm even 16 :/ | 17:30 |
| Damnshock | it's been some time since anyone though I was below 18 | 17:32 |
| Damnshock | not even when I was 13 xDDD | 17:32 |
| Damnshock | I was 1,83m already | 17:32 |
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| Damnshock | hey guys | 22:18 |
| Damnshock | can any of you help me to install cssu into the sdk? | 22:18 |
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| merlin1991 | Damnshock: I don't think you can | 23:36 |
| Damnshock | can't I? | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | I think the cssu only provides armel binaries | 23:36 |
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| Damnshock | MohammadAG: ping? | 23:54 |
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