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| saned | anybody knows if kernel-power is affected by cssu? can it be installed after cssu? | 07:58 |
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| merlin1991 | saned: should not be affected at all since cssu doesn't change anything kernel related | 10:38 |
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| macmaN | morning allz | 13:30 |
| macmaN | this might be a totally n00b question but what kind of MARCH_TUNE am i supposed to use for N900 | 13:31 |
| macmaN | 5 MARCH_TUNE="-march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -fomit-frame-pointer" from N8x0 is probably not good anymore? | 13:31 |
| macmaN | ahh | 13:32 |
| macmaN | CFLAGS = -O2 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 -fomit-frame-pointer -fsigned-char -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp = win? | 13:32 |
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| macmaN | :/ everybody asleep | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Asking on #maemo is probably more relevant | 14:30 |
| macmaN | ayy crap, my irssi window switching skills suck | 14:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | macmaN: alt+number! | 15:06 |
| Lava_Croft | <_< | 15:06 |
| Lava_Croft | on n900 ^n and ^p | 15:06 |
| macmaN | Lava_Croft: you sure about that? i have 77 windows | 15:06 |
| macmaN | :> | 15:06 |
| macmaN | one of my scripts has /go command | 15:07 |
| macmaN | /go #mae<tab> | 15:07 |
| macmaN | but it seems to get confused by channels that start with the same string | 15:07 |
| Lava_Croft | 77 windows is ridiculous in my book | 15:07 |
| macmaN | :/ | 15:07 |
| Lava_Croft | and meh at the script not working, that sucks with so many windows:D | 15:07 |
| Lava_Croft | poor you | 15:07 |
| macmaN | and sometimes i dont notice immediately | 15:08 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe you can rebind the keys in irssi to do ctrl+number orso | 15:08 |
| macmaN | i agree but it works | 15:08 |
| macmaN | this is across 6 irc networks and bunch of query windows always open too | 15:08 |
| Lava_Croft | or be smarter and just cleanse your irssi | 15:08 |
| Lava_Croft | and remove the 70 windows you barely look at | 15:08 |
| Lava_Croft | but thats just my personal opinion! :D | 15:08 |
| macmaN | yep but at one point the cleaning becomes more of a job than keeping them open :P | 15:08 |
| Lava_Croft | or maybe combine windows | 15:09 |
| macmaN | mightve passed that one already! | 15:09 |
| macmaN | i was just thinking binding ctrl+g tho | 15:09 |
| Lava_Croft | hah, i cleansed it years ago and even when adding the two maemo channels, im at 8 now | 15:09 |
| Lava_Croft | that includes the status windows and the hilight catching window | 15:09 |
| macmaN | irssi lacking vertical split is killing me :/ | 15:09 |
| Lava_Croft | window* | 15:09 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah | 15:09 |
| Lava_Croft | irssi doesnt lack much, but thats one of the few things | 15:09 |
| macmaN | mhm got themz too | 15:09 |
| macmaN | but the good thing is that whenever i have a thought i can instantly act | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | IF you could easily select a window | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | that is | 15:10 |
| macmaN | no joining channels, finding people whatnot | 15:10 |
| macmaN | the window is always there | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | i just make sure that i dont have to act in places im not in:) | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | but i wouldnt know about an easy way to deal with your 77window problem | 15:10 |
| macmaN | /go with autocomplete works quite well | 15:10 |
| macmaN | mistakes are rare actually | 15:11 |
| macmaN | its not a bug, its a feature | 15:11 |
| macmaN | :P | 15:11 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 15:11 |
| macmaN | ok armv7a stage3 downloaded, back to the dungeons | 15:12 |
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| TurboVomit | http://acidcow.com/video/18213-kid_vs_bully.html | 15:38 |
| Lava_Croft | old | 15:42 |
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| Lava_Croft | but funny! | 15:42 |
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| TurboVomit | Lava_Croft: i love it | 16:15 |
| TurboVomit | i sure that's the first time he beat somebody | 16:15 |
| TurboVomit | maybe now he have friends | 16:16 |
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| Lava_Croft | i just like the video, i dont care about any further social implications | 16:36 |
| Lava_Croft | unless there are any for me! | 16:36 |
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| mase76 | hi all! | 17:46 |
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| mase76 | anybody there? | 17:49 |
| merlin1991 | today it's idle time ;) | 17:49 |
| mase76 | i see | 17:51 |
| BCMM | mase76: i'm here. | 17:51 |
| mase76 | i am the maintainer of cups for fremantle. | 17:52 |
| merlin1991 | I guess you want to submit it to cssu for the greater good? | 17:58 |
| mase76 | it is still in extras-testing. there are just a few votes needed. but it could be a candidate for the cssu. | 17:59 |
| mase76 | the thing is, gtk must be compiled against it. so you can enable a systemwide printing support. i did this on my device. then i rebuilt leafpad and abiword. Now printing works with this applications. | 18:04 |
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| merlin1991 | afaik currently there is no prefered way how to suggest enhancements, I'd suggest you file an enhancement bug against Maemo 5 Community SSU | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | there's a "general" component there | 18:08 |
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| mase76 | i will do so. but do you think, there is a generic interrest for that? | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | I don't know | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | I for once don't even know what cups exactly does :D | 18:12 |
| Lava_Croft | common unix printing system | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | orso | 18:13 |
| mase76 | it is the common unix printing system. | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | hm printing from the n900 | 18:14 |
| merlin1991 | use cases? | 18:14 |
| Lava_Croft | there are tons of printers doing wifi or bt | 18:14 |
| mase76 | yes, but without a printing system on the device, you cannot use them. | 18:16 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 18:16 |
| merlin1991 | true | 18:16 |
| merlin1991 | I realised that just the moment I wrote use cases :D | 18:16 |
| BCMM | also, *nix machines sharing printesr | 18:16 |
| * merlin1991 thought too much of usb host mode :D | 18:16 | |
| Lava_Croft | mase76: you probably want MohammadAG | 18:16 |
| mase76 | it works like the normal cups on debian. it is just a port. | 18:17 |
| mase76 | i am working on it, getting it to work with usb hostmode. no success yet. | 18:19 |
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| MohammadAG | mase76, it can go in the CSSU, but, how much does cups take on /? | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | (particularly, /usr) | 18:34 |
| mase76 | it contains some more packages. but it is optified. | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | does including this custom gtk package break any apps? | 18:36 |
| mase76 | maybe you can have a try. i can provide the gtk, leafpad and abiword packages, too. | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | IE does this cause an abi break? | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | well | 18:37 |
| mase76 | i did not get any problems with gtk. | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | can I have the gtk ones? | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | need to do some testing | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | (at least check everything works, we can't break existing apps :p) | 18:37 |
| mase76 | The links are provided here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56932&page=12 | 18:39 |
| mase76 | but only install libgtk... packages. not the others included in the archive. | 18:39 |
| mase76 | but you can simply build them yourself, without any changes. libcups2-dev will be found if installed, and printing will be enabled in gtk. | 18:40 |
| mase76 | in abiword and leafpad you only have to change the configure line in rules. there is a --disable-printing or something there. | 18:41 |
| mase76 | i tried evince, but it seems, that it does not provide printing support for pictures, only documents. but it also works with it. even on my debian system evince cannot print pictures. | 18:42 |
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| mase76 | but remember: the gtk packages do not match the policies. i did not change anything in the control file. i only repackaged it with a incremented package version number. that are just packages to test cups. the gtk maintainers have to rebuild their packages, if cups will make it to stable. | 18:49 |
| mase76 | if you want to try cups only, you can install gtklp from extras-devel. it does not fit screen size, because it is also a port from debian. but you can print with it. | 18:51 |
| mase76 | no, just the dependency of libcups2 was added, nothing else. | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | mase76, how do I set up a printer? | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | actually, would copying cups's config file from my PC work? it's a network printer | 19:05 |
| mase76 | do you have a cups server in your network? | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | not that I know of, no | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | can install it though | 19:06 |
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| mase76 | i have cups installed on debian. the printers are published. so they appear on my n900. | 19:07 |
| mase76 | when using it over windows, you have to copy a ppd file for your printer to the device and provide it when adding a printer. The configuration of cups is provided via a web interface: http://localhost:631 | 19:08 |
| mase76 | it works exactly like the normal cups on linux. | 19:10 |
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| mase76 | i forgot to say, you have to reboot your device after the cups installation. | 19:22 |
| mase76 | success? | 19:34 |
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| mase76 | MohammadAG, did it work? | 19:49 |
| ZogG | cups on windows? lol | 19:54 |
| ZogG | windows? lol | 19:54 |
| ZogG | =) | 19:54 |
| mase76 | no, not on windows. i meant the printer sharing in windows. i did not test this, because i have no windows. | 19:55 |
| ZogG | oh | 19:57 |
| ZogG | why do you need to restart than? | 19:57 |
| ZogG | on linux you restart only for kernel | 19:57 |
| mase76 | no need to restart, a /etc/init.d/cups restart would be enough. | 19:57 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I have a patch for bug 11831. | 20:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11831 Removal of mp-fremantle-*-pr breaks apt autoremover | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG | mase76, installing cups on the N900, but I don't see anything compiled against stock gtk failing to start | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, what approach does it use? | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Looks at the depends of the current mp-fremantle-*-pr package and marks them as manually installed (using apt-get install). To be run at start of enabler script. | 20:29 |
| mase76 | MohammadAG, did you restart the cups service or rebooted? what failed to start? | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | nothing failed to start | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | (it's not causing an ABI break) | 20:30 |
| mase76 | what does not work then? | 20:32 |
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| merlin1991 | mase76: Mohammad said everything seems to be fine :D | 20:43 |
| mase76 | did you make a printout? | 20:43 |
| mase76 | is gtk cssu maintained now? | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, thoughts? we need to pull in libcups2 | 21:02 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Size? | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, optified | 21:23 |
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| Jaffa | Download size, OOI? | 21:24 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, try apt-get install libcups2 | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | (don't remember the size) | 21:26 |
| Jaffa | Needed because the new Gtk links to it, which is needed for using Gtk printing? | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | new gtk libs and libcups | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | for printing itself, I'd guess you need cups | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | Seems sensible | 21:33 |
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| mase76 | i suggest to include the package cups to be able to setup the printers. | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG | mase, it can be pulled in but not depended on | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure all users want to print | 21:45 |
| mase | gtk dependence of libcups2 is not necessary. you're right. | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | it is | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's linked against it | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | cups otoh, no | 21:46 |
| mase | maybe i should also provide a package of foomatic-filters. seems that some users need it. | 21:46 |
| mase | what do you suggest? | 21:47 |
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| Jaffa | mase: Anything that doesn't *need* to be pulled in to make Gtk work goes into Extras, as normal | 22:04 |
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| mase76 | then there's only a need for libcups2 and libcupsimage2. The -dev packages should also go to extras, that applications can be compiled against them. | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | they're already in extras | 22:13 |
| mase76 | they are in extras-testing. | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | what's the pipe symbol called again? bar? | 22:15 |
| mase76 | it is called pipe | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | nope, doesn't work in xterm | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | ~ $ gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/keys -t list --list-type=string "[Tab,Escape,Page_Up,Page_Down,Pipe]" | 22:20 |
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| mase76 | however i am glad, that there is some interrest for my packages. it was a lot of work to get them to run as they should. | 22:50 |
| mase76 | maybe i will try to package a more recent version. | 22:51 |
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