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| lardman|home | ZogG: just pushed a version which should fix that problem | 00:42 |
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| akikhaw | is there a setting to control the panning speed / duration, when moving from one desktop to another? | 09:00 |
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| barzam | akikhaw: edit transisions.ini | 10:43 |
| akikhaw | i thought the panning speed there was just for scrolling in dialogs etc. not between desktops? | 10:50 |
| thp | akikhaw: afaik it's only for window manager-level transitions, not in-application things like scrolling in dialogs | 10:53 |
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| mece | \o | 11:15 |
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| Mensoif | mirakels just uploaded the new obex2 package to http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP#Step_1 | 11:45 |
| Mensoif | So i you are willing to test we would appreciate it | 11:46 |
| Mensoif | please use version 0.37 | 11:46 |
| mece | Mensoif, is there a bugtracker somewhere? | 11:58 |
| Mensoif | Not yet | 11:58 |
| Mensoif | Should I open a bug for inclusion in CSSU, and that the reports are made there? | 11:59 |
| mece | Mensoif, dunno what the preferred method is. | 12:02 |
| mece | Mensoif, I just heard from a friend that he had only partially functioning pbap in his land rover sport | 12:03 |
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| Mensoif | ok, so if he would test that would be great | 12:08 |
| Jaffa | Mensoif: Could be appropriate, if the whole project falls under the banner of the CSSU. Read http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Development#Source and speak to MohammadAG. | 12:10 |
| mece | Mensoif, I'll get back to you with the report :) | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | ii obexd 0.18-0maemo6+0m5 OBEX Server | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, it's related to the CSSU | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | obexd2 is similar to modified-hildon-desktop's approach | 12:12 |
| Mensoif | the package is actually called obexd2, but we plan to replace the original obexd | 12:21 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Indeed. | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | Mensoif, yeah, I gathered that from postinst :) | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | you're backing up the original binary and copying one in place of it | 12:22 |
| Mensoif | the original bug report got 118 votes https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6368 | 12:32 |
| povbot | Bug 6368: No way for car kit to access contact information (PBAP) | 12:32 |
| AsiQue | MohammadAG: i'm trying to compile cssu-hildon-desktop but i'm missing 2 packages, profile and libgnome-menu where can i get them? | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get build-dep hildon-desktop | 12:53 |
| AsiQue | hmm... i actually didn't have alot of packages... tnx | 12:54 |
| Venemo | AsiQue: SDK repo | 12:55 |
| AsiQue | Venemo: ha? i'm using the latest sdk image from nokia... | 12:55 |
| Venemo | AsiQue: http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories | 12:56 |
| Venemo | AsiQue: make sure you have the fremantle sdk repo | 12:56 |
| Venemo | AsiQue: if you do, 'fakeroot apt-get update' then 'fakeroot apt-get install whateverpackage' | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get build-dep fetches dependencies Venemo | 12:57 |
| AsiQue | Venemo: downloaded it again yesterday... pretty sure it's the correct one... are the repos not included in the sdk? | 12:57 |
| Venemo | AsiQue: they should be. | 12:57 |
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| AsiQue | stange... i did apt-get install profile and it wasn;t available... is there a dedicated terminal for the sdk? | 12:58 |
| AsiQue | MohammadAG: btw.. the powervr smoothing still works for me... | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, no problems for me too... | 13:00 |
| AsiQue | any chanse that pr1.3 fixed that? | 13:01 |
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| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: same | 13:08 |
| Lava_Croft | it still works fine here | 13:08 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe pr1.3 includes some newer version of certain code | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure I tried it on PR1.3 | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | could be upstream fixes we included | 13:09 |
| Lava_Croft | is there a list of those? | 13:09 |
| Lava_Croft | i could skim it for likely candidates | 13:09 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho im not really technically inclined like that | 13:09 |
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| AsiQue | well i think if (and i emphasize the IF) this doesn't crash... it could be a nice addition... although this needs alot more testing... | 13:12 |
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| Lava_Croft | this needs wide usage by a lot of different people | 13:12 |
| Lava_Croft | just us three aint going to cut it | 13:13 |
| AsiQue | yep.. | 13:13 |
| Lava_Croft | already getting some friends to enable it | 13:13 |
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| lcuk | 3 > 1 | 13:13 |
| lcuk | and certainly 3 > 0 | 13:13 |
| Lava_Croft | lcuk: enable it too then:> | 13:13 |
| AsiQue | is there a way to ask ppl to try it? except posting at tmo? | 13:13 |
| lcuk | Lava_Croft, I have other things on my device right now | 13:13 |
| AsiQue | lcuk: don;t worry... it should make the porn look more smooth :-) | 13:14 |
| AsiQue | jsut kidding :-) | 13:14 |
| Lava_Croft | i have a friend who is not using CSSU | 13:15 |
| Lava_Croft | seeing if i can get him to try it | 13:15 |
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| lcuk | AsiQue, my tech porn has been running on bacon grease for years | 13:16 |
| Lava_Croft | ok | 13:16 |
| Lava_Croft | a non-cssu friend is using it too now | 13:16 |
| merlin_1991 | don't wanna check the logs, how to enable again? | 13:16 |
| AsiQue | Lava_Croft: cool... | 13:17 |
| Lava_Croft | AsiQue: play any open source games on PC? | 13:17 |
| Lava_Croft | in other words, ever heard of Tremulous | 13:17 |
| merlin_1991 | :D | 13:17 |
| Lava_Croft | Tremulous main dev is the non-cssu dude using the hwsync atm | 13:18 |
| merlin_1991 | Tremulous is awesome | 13:18 |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: | 13:18 |
| Lava_Croft | non-cssu n900 is not crashing either, so far | 13:19 |
| Lava_Croft | asked the guy to keep it enabled and yank my chain if it crashes | 13:19 |
| merlin_1991 | Lava_Croft, where do I enable the hwsync? | 13:19 |
| Lava_Croft | /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | it's not vsync btw | 13:20 |
| Lava_Croft | he said hwsync? | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | What were the bad comments I heard about that...? | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | just saying :) | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, it used to crash my device, now it isn't | 13:20 |
| merlin_1991 | reboot to enable, or is a killall enough? | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | killall's enough | 13:21 |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: thats what i read about it too, all the crashing | 13:21 |
| Lava_Croft | but then with CSSU i was like hell | 13:21 |
| Lava_Croft | why not try it again? | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | Are people overclocked? That could provide timing differences... | 13:21 |
| merlin_1991 | uh oh phone is up for 4 days already, I wonder if I have killed h-d already | 13:21 |
| Lava_Croft | nope | 13:21 |
| Lava_Croft | i do use swappolube 'tweaked' settings | 13:22 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont think kernel-power is CSSU compatible? | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'm not | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | no incompatibilities with any kernels | 13:22 |
| Lava_Croft | hmm, ok | 13:22 |
| Lava_Croft | i might use it again then | 13:22 |
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| merlin_1991 | hm I'm not crashing, but closing and taskswitching animations "lag" for me now | 13:24 |
| Lava_Croft | so far it seems that the hwsync not crashing anymore is not related to cssu | 13:24 |
| merlin_1991 | and Khweeteur doesn't want to go to portrait anymore :D | 13:24 |
| Lava_Croft | merlin_1991: killing hildon-destop breaks rotation | 13:25 |
| merlin_1991 | ah yeah true | 13:25 |
| Lava_Croft | are you using the default transitions? | 13:25 |
| merlin_1991 | yep | 13:25 |
| Lava_Croft | odd | 13:25 |
| Lava_Croft | it's actually smoother and less laggy here... | 13:25 |
| Lava_Croft | certainly with blurless enabled | 13:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | its less noticable with blurring | 13:25 |
| merlin_1991 | I did a reboot, let's see how it works now | 13:26 |
| * merlin_1991 loves the battery meter | 13:27 | |
| merlin_1991 | had like 50% before the reboot | 13:27 |
| merlin_1991 | now it's at the lowest value before going red | 13:27 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, it sure it nice | 13:27 |
| Lava_Croft | try advanced-power | 13:27 |
| Lava_Croft | is* | 13:27 |
| merlin_1991 | okay defenitely laggy now | 13:28 |
| Lava_Croft | odd | 13:28 |
| merlin_1991 | depending on what I do in an app the zoom out of the taskswitcher has different speed / smoothnes | 13:28 |
| merlin_1991 | and all I did was opening khweeteur and start switching right after rotate or with a lil pause | 13:28 |
| Lava_Croft | nice | 13:29 |
| Lava_Croft | national tv here instantly switches to a coming live speech of Kadhafi | 13:29 |
| merlin_1991 | WTF? I just had the internal failure message telling me "e-mail" got close | 13:30 |
| merlin_1991 | I didn't even have it open :D | 13:30 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | merlin_1991, modest is always on | 13:31 |
| merlin_1991 | but what on earth made it crash? | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | beats me :) | 13:32 |
| merlin_1991 | I switched back to disabled and everything is smoother again | 13:33 |
| merlin_1991 | I guess my device is part of the reason this isn't enabled by default :D | 13:34 |
| Lava_Croft | might be, might not be | 13:34 |
| Lava_Croft | could as well be some piece of other software interfering | 13:34 |
| Lava_Croft | could be so many things:< | 13:34 |
| Lava_Croft | but yeah, i guess thats why:D | 13:34 |
| merlin_1991 | MohammadAG, what was the command to list user installed software? | 13:35 |
| MohammadAG | maemo- something, sec | 13:35 |
| MohammadAG | maemo-list-user-packages | 13:36 |
| merlin_1991 | thx | 13:36 |
| merlin_1991 | going to deinstall some stuff, the list is too long :D | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | merlin_1991: There's a couple of Modest crash bugs reported in http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs but with a distinct lack of information :-( | 13:39 |
| merlin_1991 | well I can't give much information either, I booted the phone opened xterm and had the app closed yellow bar | 13:40 |
| merlin_1991 | not much I can add I fear :/ | 13:40 |
| merlin_1991 | thp, ping | 13:43 |
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| merlin_1991 | hm can it be, that maemo-list-user-packages lists all packages ever installed? | 13:48 |
| merlin_1991 | because that list contains some wich are not on my phone anymore | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | merlin_1991, hmm | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a script | 13:51 |
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| thp | merlin_1991: pong | 13:54 |
| thp | merlin_1991: maybe they are removed but not purged (i.e. configuration files left behind, etc..) | 13:54 |
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| merlin_1991 | thp I wanted to ask you when you'll promote ubahn 1.3 to testing | 14:24 |
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| thp | merlin_1991: if you want, right now ;) | 14:36 |
| thp | well.. Service Temporarily Unavailable | 14:36 |
| merlin_1991 | I've been using it ever since it came to -devel, and well the change is the image, so I see no reason why this shouldn't be in extras :) | 14:37 |
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| thp | yep. it's not really a complicated app, anyway :p | 14:38 |
| merlin_1991 | but a shame that the update is stuck in -devel | 14:39 |
| thp | remind me again tomorrow if i still haven't promoted it by then | 14:39 |
| merlin_1991 | I will | 14:40 |
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| AsiQue | where do i add repos to ubuntu? i'm still missing the libgnome-menu and profile packages... | 15:11 |
| AsiQue | apperantly i have libgnome-menu2 installed..... | 15:12 |
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| merlin_1991 | AsiQue, do you want to add repost to ubuntu or to scratchbox? | 15:34 |
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| merlin1991 | Jaffa, with your blogpost about cssu you added a 3rd publicly visible occurance of my name on the internet :P | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Sorry; happened automatically cos of your maemo.org account. | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | nah it's ok, I only think it's funny :D | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: I can edit it if you'd prefer? And even remove the maemo.org profile link | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | anybody googling my name must be disappointed :D | 16:45 |
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| thp | merlin1991: ubahn 1.3 promoted to -testing | 16:50 |
| * merlin1991 goes to vote on it | 16:51 | |
| merlin1991 | hm gotta wait a bit untill it's in -testing for real | 16:53 |
| Lava_Croft | ~/topic | 16:53 |
| Lava_Croft | er:D | 16:53 |
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| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, thanks for tree view, it's awesome | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | (been using it for two days) | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | it saves a lot of time | 18:13 |
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| ThreeM | treeview? in email client? | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | ThreeM: See maemo-developers | 18:28 |
| ThreeM | thx | 18:30 |
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| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Your English is excellent; hadn't even realised you weren't a native speaker... | 18:36 |
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| merlin1991 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=956335&postcount=36 :D love the lel part | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, how do we ignore the external includes file again? | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, git update-index --assume-unchanged external-includepaths.pro | 20:32 |
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| njsf | Hi Sc0rpius you around? | 21:49 |
| Sc0rpius | I just sit here | 21:55 |
| Sc0rpius | so yes I'm around | 21:55 |
| Sc0rpius | well people here have nicely pointed out a couple of things | 21:56 |
| Sc0rpius | first, SpacedOut noticed the accounts are always blue even though there are no new messages <-- that's important | 21:56 |
| Sc0rpius | and Jaffa said the expanders suck, which is true | 21:56 |
| Sc0rpius | but made me realize we can change those for anything we want | 21:56 |
| njsf | Ah Sc0rpius, I rebooted and now I can see the tree view | 21:57 |
| njsf | but I got some return errors from your mail server... | 21:57 |
| Sc0rpius | MY mail server? | 21:57 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 21:58 |
| Sc0rpius | you didn't need to reboot to get tree view in Modest, just go to Settings -> Tree view mode | 21:58 |
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| Sc0rpius | or a weird string if you haven't installed the new languages files | 21:58 |
| njsf | Sc0rpius: well I went and it wasn't there | 21:59 |
| njsf | and yes I did close it | 21:59 |
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| Sc0rpius | well yeah after you install Modest | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | you have to: killall modest | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | I didn't say that in the email so it's my fault | 21:59 |
| njsf | np | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | because, Modest is always running | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | when you click the icon, dbus sends the "top-application" signal and the GUI is shown | 22:00 |
| Sc0rpius | but the program was already running in the first place | 22:00 |
| Sc0rpius | you have to kill that one to see the new Modest | 22:00 |
| njsf | hmmm it would be nice if it remembered the expanded/colapsed state between ui opens... | 22:01 |
| Sc0rpius | give me an example? | 22:01 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Does modest depend on the new language files? | 22:02 |
| Sc0rpius | if you go to a mail and go back you see everything as you left iot | 22:02 |
| njsf | When I open modest I have: | 22:02 |
| Sc0rpius | Jaffa: sadly yes because I added a new string | 22:02 |
| njsf | nokia messaging | NF900 | <card> ... | 22:02 |
| Sc0rpius | so I made a modest-l10n project for that | 22:02 |
| * Sc0rpius checks | 22:02 | |
| njsf | I then expand the nokia messaging into say my gmail account | 22:02 |
| njsf | and then expand that | 22:02 |
| njsf | close the modest ui | 22:03 |
| njsf | reopen the ui | 22:03 |
| njsf | back to the first three choices | 22:03 |
| njsf | it would be nice to remember which ones I already expanded | 22:03 |
| Sc0rpius | ahh ok | 22:03 |
| Sc0rpius | when you close the UI you kill the whole program | 22:03 |
| njsf | specially since in nokia messaging the "accounts" do not get "blue" with new messages | 22:03 |
| Sc0rpius | actually I hate that but that's the way Modest is | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, | 22:04 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean | 22:04 |
| njsf | that happens with stock modest | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | why is the string mcenfisettingstreeview? | 22:04 |
| Sc0rpius | it's a new string | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | instead of mcen_fi_settings_tree_view? | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | I know, I'm talking about the missing underscores :P | 22:04 |
| njsf | Sc0rpius: but couldn't you have some gconf that would store the expansion status or something ? | 22:04 |
| Sc0rpius | good question because I defined it as mcen_fi_settings_tree_view | 22:04 |
| Sc0rpius | njfs: no, but when you close the GUI you kill the whole program and it shouldn't... | 22:05 |
| Sc0rpius | but I'm not sure if that's a Modest bug | 22:05 |
| Sc0rpius | with stock Modest is the same, the whole program is killed, when I click the icon again it shows me the account list | 22:05 |
| njsf | I think I am not explaining my idea properly since I fail to see the relevance of the whole program exiting versus saving the state | 22:06 |
| njsf | granted, it might need surgery on places you haven't touched... sure | 22:06 |
| njsf | but the program exiting should not be an obstacle no? | 22:06 |
| Sc0rpius | what I think is that way before PR1.3 when you close Modest the program just closed the GUI but the background process is still there | 22:07 |
| Sc0rpius | now it kills the whole thing, and the background process gets restarted because of the maemo-launcher checks | 22:07 |
| njsf | again, I fail to see why that is an impediment to save on some gconf entry which entries were expanded so that once modest ui starts again it restores the state | 22:09 |
| njsf | should be possible | 22:09 |
| njsf | I agree that you'd have to change the startup code of the ui, which you probably did not have to do | 22:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | MohammadAG: gtk_button_set_label (GTK_BUTTON (ppriv->tree_view), _("mcen_fi_options_tree_view")); | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/~naikel/community-ssu/naikel-modest-cssu/blobs/modest-tree-view/src/hildon2/modest-hildon2-global-settings-dialog.c | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | line 283 | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't know why the underscores are suppressed when it cannot find the string in the l10n file | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | njfs: yeah it's possible I guess | 22:11 |
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| * Sc0rpius never really thought about | 22:11 | |
| Sc0rpius | it | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's definitely a nice thing to have | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | now about this:รง | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | njsf> but I got some return errors from your mail server... | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | what did you mean? | 22:12 |
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| njsf | I got a failure notice complaining about mail format | 22:13 |
| njsf | I double checked, plain mime | 22:13 |
| njsf | happened both replying from modest and thunderbird | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | weird I didn't touch any of that | 22:13 |
| njsf | I believe you. the message was very weird | 22:14 |
| njsf | Hi. This is the qmail-send program at c-in3ws--02-09.sv2.lotuslive.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <naikel@gmail.com>: 10.6.32.48 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: 552 Message formatting error rejected | 22:15 |
| njsf | ahhh wait | 22:16 |
| njsf | this was sent from my ovi account | 22:16 |
| Sc0rpius | indeed | 22:16 |
| njsf | so maybe it is a ovi MTA fuckerage | 22:16 |
| merlin1991 | "MTA"? | 22:19 |
| njsf | mail transport agent | 22:21 |
| njsf | as opposed to MDA mail delivery agent | 22:22 |
| njsf | and MUA mail user agent | 22:22 |
| njsf | Ah BTW Sc0rpius, the accounts on Nokia messaging don't seem to have the +- expander decoration on the icon | 22:25 |
| njsf | at least mine | 22:26 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah | 22:27 |
| Sc0rpius | tree view was half implemented in Modest, that part was already there like that | 22:27 |
| Sc0rpius | but I can change it to put the [+] and [-] | 22:27 |
| Sc0rpius | I wish somebody with an Exchange account could test it | 22:28 |
| njsf | I don't have one, but could get one. | 22:28 |
| njsf | Just never had the interest of having work email on the phone the company does not pay for ;) | 22:28 |
| Sc0rpius | and Jaffa don't like the [+] and [-] icons, but anything that can be superposed in the original icons that look better is welcome | 22:29 |
| Sc0rpius | I have all my accounts in my phone, including work one, even though it's my personal phone | 22:29 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't receive that many emails anyway to be annoying | 22:29 |
| Sc0rpius | thankfully | 22:29 |
| njsf | Sc0rpius: right I do ;) | 22:30 |
| njsf | Lots of build/unit test results from continuous integration, internal forum questions, etc | 22:30 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Yeah, I don't think the Nokia theme designers provided good emblems, cos they aren't used anywhere :-) | 22:30 |
| BCMM | maemo doesn't come with a standard icon set | 22:32 |
| Sc0rpius | it does | 22:32 |
| Sc0rpius | at least there are several icons there | 22:33 |
| BCMM | i know it has icons in the standard location, but it doesn't have an icon set as per freedesktop standards | 22:33 |
| Sc0rpius | lemme show how sad those icons are constructed | 22:34 |
| BCMM | it's just got the hildon/ directory, and then lots of application-specific stuff | 22:34 |
| Sc0rpius | *pixbuf_open = get_composite_pixbuf ("qgn_list_gene_fldr_exp", FOLDER_ICON_SIZE, *pixbuf); | 22:35 |
| Sc0rpius | lemme show you | 22:35 |
| Sc0rpius | not application specific | 22:36 |
| Sc0rpius | there are general* | 22:36 |
| BCMM | on most systems, /usr/share/icons/ would contain a whole lot of "standard" icons, e.g. there is a freedesktop standard filename for the "open file" icon | 22:36 |
| Sc0rpius | I guess Maemo only comes with the icons it uses | 22:37 |
| Sc0rpius | it's a phone and is supposed to be minimalist :) | 22:38 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway there are way too many icons already | 22:38 |
| Sc0rpius | if you have AppMeFo you can browse them | 22:38 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: i know, but it's annoying when something like QIcon::fromTheme("go-up") doesn't work | 22:40 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 22:40 |
| Sc0rpius | now I think I get what you mean | 22:40 |
| BCMM | afaik, that's a "correct" interoperable way to do that, on linux | 22:41 |
| BCMM | e.g. even a Gnome user would see the up arrow from their own icon set | 22:41 |
| BCMM | rolling your own icons seems bad for visual consistency, leaving me using QIcon::fromTheme("rss_reader_move_down") on maemo | 22:42 |
| BCMM | which feels kinda wrong, but at least looks like a maemo app | 22:42 |
| njsf | Well the right thing is done, as atested by all the themes with their own icons | 22:43 |
| BCMM | (obviously, that's from the other button; i'm not substituting a down button for an up button :) | 22:46 |
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