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| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, what's your name? | 00:20 |
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| MohammadAG | need it for the credits section | 00:20 |
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| Sc0rpius | it's funny but | 00:33 |
| Sc0rpius | when I click the Modest icon (and it calls top_application via dbus) I get an old "screenshot" of the modest window and when it finishes loading, it refreshes it | 00:34 |
| Sc0rpius | when I type "modest -s" in command line I don't get that "screen cache", I get a black screen until modest loads | 00:34 |
| Sc0rpius | and since my Modest is way too different from that "screen cache" it looks weird | 00:35 |
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| Sc0rpius | it looks like there's another update to CSSU? :D | 00:36 |
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| MohammadAG | that's since last night | 00:40 |
| Sc0rpius | let's see | 00:41 |
| merlin_1991 | I really should do the changelog again | 00:41 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm like 5 bugs away to release a beta of Modest with optional tree view mode (which I love) | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | merlin_1991, I've been keeping a fine changelog in debian/changelog | 00:42 |
| merlin_1991 | hm I just noticed someone updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU_changelog | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | -2, me | 00:44 |
| BCMM_ | heh, the 1.3.3.7 thing is official? | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | why not :P | 00:45 |
| merlin_1991 | damn it, what can I contribute now, that the changelog is written :/ | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | it's 4 versions old merlin_1991 | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 00:47 |
| BCMM_ | oh by the way, anyone else find LEDs stop working whenever you install an SSU? | 00:47 |
| BCMM_ | i had it with 1.3, and several times so far with CSSU | 00:47 |
| BCMM_ | it happens after the SSU is installed, and persist until i take the battery out | 00:47 |
| merlin_1991 | MohammadAG, it says PR 1.3.3.7-5 | 00:47 |
| merlin_1991 | 20.2010.36-2maemo11 | 00:47 |
| BCMM_ | they sysfs entries for the LEDs are gone an everything | 00:47 |
| merlin_1991 | and regarding http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/mp-fremantle-community-pr/ maemo11 is the newest version :D | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | merlin_1991, I'll make it easy http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pCiwFjpa | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 00:48 |
| BCMM_ | would that be considered a CSSU bug? | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM_, kernel-power bug | 00:48 |
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| BCMM_ | MohammadAG: do you mean it is a known one? | 00:49 |
| Sc0rpius | LEDs stop working because "Led Notifications" applet is different with CSSU | 00:49 |
| Sc0rpius | so you have to enable them again | 00:49 |
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| BCMM_ | i don't think i was using kernel-power when i upgraded to pr1.3 | 00:49 |
| Sc0rpius | "Notification light" is called, in Settings | 00:49 |
| BCMM_ | Sc0rpius: nah, taking the battery out fixed it | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM_, known on #maemo | 00:49 |
| Sc0rpius | haha a "sudo reboot" wasn't enough? | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | the only way to reset the lp led chip is to pull the battery Sc0rpius | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, would know | 00:50 |
| Sc0rpius | oh | 00:50 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't have problems with my led | 00:50 |
| BCMM_ | MohammadAG: thanks, i won't spam the SSU bugs with it then :) | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you can deop now btw, seems like everything's back to normal | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, it comes out of the blue | 00:50 |
| Sc0rpius | well | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure? No notice from #freenode staff yet | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | probably sleeping | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | well | 00:51 |
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| BCMM_ | Sc0rpius: also, it occured with previous SSUs that didn't touch that, also i do mean *all* of them - nothing left in /sys/class/leds/ other than the vibrator | 00:51 |
| BCMM_ | (no keyboard LEDs) | 00:51 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm didn't know that | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | it happened to me once | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | the leds are not registered at all | 00:51 |
| merlin_1991 | MohammadAG, http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-5 looks up to date for me :) | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | and it happened to a friend of mine | 00:51 |
| BCMM_ | impressively, it even applies when the device is off... | 00:51 |
| BCMM_ | that effect where the LED gradually increases in brightness as you hold the power key was gone too | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I requested to kick out that idiotic abrightness patch | 00:54 |
| Sc0rpius | well I don't get an update | 00:54 |
| Sc0rpius | for the CSSU | 00:54 |
| Sc0rpius | and there's actually no way to know which one I have, isn't it? | 00:54 |
| merlin_1991 | MohammadAG, you might want to push mp-fremantle-community-pr to gitorious again | 00:54 |
| merlin_1991 | the version up there is still maemo8 | 00:55 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's not in the ssu | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaah ok | 00:55 |
| BCMM_ | that's a point; does each CSSU release update the Version string in "about product"? | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM_ afaik no | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, apt-get install mp-fremantle-coomunity-pr | 00:56 |
| Sc0rpius | ok let's try that | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | -o | 00:56 |
| Sc0rpius | mp-fremantle-community-pr is already the newest version. | 00:57 |
| Sc0rpius | well it seems I already have it | 00:57 |
| Sc0rpius | but an "About CSSU" applet would be nice | 00:57 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, I asked for your name for a reason | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | I already made it :P | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | why do we have mp-fremantle-community-pr_20.2010.36-2maemo11 in the cssu but only mp-fremantle-community-pr_20.2010.36-2maemo8 on gitorious? LAZY DEVELOPERS! | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | ;) | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | source is in the repos :P | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | lame excuse ;) | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | I'll update it first thing in the morning | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | thx :) | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | then I can update the changelog and move the changes to the packages unlike now, where it just packs together all changes to a version number | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | i wish nokia could update closed stuff through the cssu | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | http://i53.tinypic.com/2s0fhxx.jpg | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | old build, not all names in it | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | @ Sc0rpius | 01:01 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 01:01 |
| Sc0rpius | that would be nice | 01:01 |
| Sc0rpius | when that's applet going to be pushed? | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | next update i suppose | 01:02 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 01:02 |
| Sc0rpius | but I'm gonna compile it myself :P | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | did you fix modest's horizontal scrolling? | 01:02 |
| Sc0rpius | no... but I finally hit the bug | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | lol why? | 01:03 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean I found an email vulnerable to avoid the default "wordwrap" | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | the source self distructs when you edit it | 01:03 |
| Sc0rpius | hehe I didn't say I was going to edit it | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | don't try changing names :P | 01:03 |
| Sc0rpius | I just found out that the manager of the MeeGo project in Nokia, is a venezuelan like me called Alberto Torres | 01:04 |
| Sc0rpius | and he was fired | 01:04 |
| merlin1991 | to enable the desaturation killall hildon-desktop? | 01:04 |
| Sc0rpius | even though the official press says he stepped down | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if he knows Fernando Torres | 01:04 |
| Sc0rpius | also works in Nokia? | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | football player :P | 01:08 |
| Sc0rpius | "El Niño" Torres? but he is spanish from Spain | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | But he's Torres :P | 01:09 |
| merlin1991 | damn you MohammadAG I had the perfect excuse not to update the changelog today, but now that you synced I can't go to bed :D | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | i didn't sync yet :P | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | that's why i'm waking up at 6 :P | 01:10 |
| merlin1991 | ah I missed a few lines | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | yay | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | I can sleep today :D | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | Current Time: Tue Feb 15 06:41:47 pm 2011 | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | you guys live in the other side of the world | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | sync everything though | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | it's just 6:40 pm! | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | Max Users Record in #maemo-ssu: 57 on Tue Feb 15 15:56:49 2011 | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | Wed Feb 16 01:11:43 IST 2011 | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | you should be sleeping already | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | should indeed | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | wed feb 16 00:09 | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | /exec -o date | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | ftw | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | Wed Feb 16 01:12:41 IST 2011 | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | xchat on win isn't awesome enough for /exec -o date | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | haha | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | but hey I have git here to annoy you :D | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | gonna clone the new stuff from gitorious now | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | thinking of not sleeping | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | they're only 4h | 01:15 |
| merlin1991 | hm I need a nifty shell script to update the whole folder with all the cloned cssu projects | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | for dirs in `ls`; do cd $dirs && git pull && cd ..; done | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | worked nice | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | thx | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | yw | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | I used to use it to git push | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | for dirs in `ls`; do echo "updating" $dirs && cd $dirs && git pull && cd ..; done a lil nicer output :D | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | s/u/u/ | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | err | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | s/u/U/ | 01:22 |
| BCMM_ | merlin1991: why `ls` instead of * ? | 01:23 |
| merlin1991 | because it's a copypaste from MohammadAG | 01:23 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 01:23 |
| BCMM_ | oh | 01:23 |
| BCMM_ | MohammadAG: ^ | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | idk, * sometimes didn't work for me | 01:24 |
| BCMM_ | odd, that doesn't make a great deal of sense... | 01:25 |
| BCMM_ | could be a BB thing i guess | 01:25 |
| BCMM_ | but `ls` will undoubtedly fail if it meets a filename with a space | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | Well | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | not ls | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | <merlin1991> for dirs in `ls`; do echo "updating" $dirs && cd $dirs && git pull && cd ..; done a lil nicer output :D | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | <merlin1991> for dirs in "`ls`"; do echo "updating" "$dirs" && cd "$dirs" && git pull && cd ..; done a lil nicer output :D | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | it won't fail like that | 01:26 |
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| BCMM_ | wait, what? | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | I ended up with this: http://pastebin.com/30pSe2SJ | 01:26 |
| BCMM_ | MohammadAG: what shell is this for? | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | I always make sure stuff works on busybox, so yeah :P | 01:27 |
| BCMM_ | MohammadAG: on sh or bash, that would run everything once, with the entire ls output... | 01:27 |
| merlin1991 | mine works for me (wich means msys-git :D) so it's perfect ;) | 01:28 |
| thp | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/4 | 01:32 |
| thp | and I think that's the last one from me for a while | 01:32 |
| * w00t_ votes thp for maintainer | 01:34 | |
| w00t_ | :P | 01:34 |
| thp | nah.. don't want to be maintainer :p writing patches and letting others take care of maintenance is just so much easier ;) | 01:35 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | thp thanks, will merge it tomorrow | 01:37 |
| Sc0rpius | Modest is so crappy | 01:42 |
| Sc0rpius | that it caches the window account screen | 01:42 |
| Sc0rpius | so next time you load you don't notice the awful long load time | 01:42 |
| Sc0rpius | then you see that the window "disappears" with the message "(No accounts)" in the middle | 01:42 |
| Sc0rpius | and then FINALLY appears the "real" window | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | and that part takes forever | 01:43 |
| Sc0rpius | it does. | 01:43 |
| Sc0rpius | we'll improve all of that, eventually | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | best thing is, when you use mail for exchange and connect to wifi and tap on an incoming mail msg | 01:43 |
| Sc0rpius | or, like I said yesterday, port Thunderbird engine with a nice Qt GUI :) | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | you shouldn't to that | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | it takes FOREVER to start then | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | I have no idea why | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | thunderbird is epic | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | don't you want to sleep? :D | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | i should | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | I feel like setting up an apt-mirror on my server | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG | do it :p | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | Use of uninitialized value $distribution in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 309. | 01:47 |
| Sc0rpius | reading this screen "cache" really made me sad today | 01:47 |
| merlin1991 | ffs | 01:47 |
| Sc0rpius | modest_window_mgr_create_caches (mgr); | 01:47 |
| Sc0rpius | and then: | 01:48 |
| Sc0rpius | pre_created_accounts_window = GTK_WIDGET (modest_accounts_window_new_real ()); | 01:48 |
| Sc0rpius | and saddest thing is, I have to do the same for the tree view window I'm coding | 01:48 |
| Sc0rpius | I'll show you how it looks today | 01:50 |
| Sc0rpius | http://img137.imageshack.us/f/screenshot2011021519191.png/ | 01:51 |
| BCMM_ | Sc0rpius: i know it's offtopic, but imageshack is a bit heavy with popups and so on - do you know omploader? | 01:56 |
| BCMM_ | Sc0rpius: there is even a nice ruby client for uploading stuff, at http://ompldr.org/ompload | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | hm the armel mirror works, but src doesn't yet | 01:57 |
| Sc0rpius | recommend me something? | 01:57 |
| Sc0rpius | oh you already did | 01:57 |
| Sc0rpius | let's see | 01:57 |
| BCMM_ | omploader will happily serve just the file you uploaded (also doesn't care about file format) | 02:00 |
| BCMM_ | i keep meaning to investigate how easy it would be to integrate it as a sharing plugin | 02:02 |
| Sc0rpius | let's see if it worked | 02:06 |
| Sc0rpius | http://ompldr.org/vN2ZzYQ | 02:06 |
| Sc0rpius | nice | 02:06 |
| Sc0rpius | oh there's a Firefox extension too! | 02:07 |
| BCMM_ | how is the possibly better than a CLI client? ;) | 02:08 |
| BCMM_ | ^that | 02:08 |
| Sc0rpius | because | 02:09 |
| Sc0rpius | I only use Linux in VMPlayer, my main workstation is W7 | 02:09 |
| Sc0rpius | though I always have both environments up at the same time | 02:09 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway the extension is useless | 02:09 |
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| merlin1991 | apt-mirror up on http://87.106.163.159/community-testing/ | 02:12 |
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| merlin1991 | now I just have to add it as a cronjob then I'm done .) | 02:12 |
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| merlin1991 | cronjob added | 02:18 |
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| * merlin1991 needs sleep | 02:34 | |
| merlin1991 | night | 02:34 |
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| ZogG | repo is down? =( | 09:51 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i would like to request the thp patches setting in setting menu as they are included in hildons at last CSSU afaik | 10:25 |
| MohammadAG | thp's patches have always been in transitions.ini :P | 10:25 |
| ZogG | yes but it would be nicer to have it in setting manager =) as well as are you going to include rotation patch and do you think to make it default? | 10:27 |
| MohammadAG | default = breaking some apps | 10:29 |
| MohammadAG | and yeah, I'm working on a GUI | 10:29 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG not the force rotation, the one with changing the way of rotation | 10:30 |
| MohammadAG | oh, those are configurable in transitions.ini in the next update | 10:32 |
| ZogG | good =) | 10:34 |
| ZogG | i thought this one should be by default | 10:34 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, all his patches till now are included right? | 10:35 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 10:36 |
| ZogG | and i have proposal for media bar thing =) | 10:36 |
| MohammadAG | I think all h-d patches are in now | 10:36 |
| MohammadAG | heh, haven't touched that in a while | 10:36 |
| ZogG | i propose to make mediabar on while light detector is losed i mean not X time you close it but it is showed as long as you put thinger there | 10:37 |
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| ruskie | installing cssu... | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: The problem I envisage with a control panel applet to control the high-level elements of transitions.ini is maintaining it across updates of h-d :-/ | 11:52 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, ls /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, ls /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini* | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: You're referring to the renaming of the old one and putting the new one in place? | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | I just copy it in preinst | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Settings are supposed to be maintained across upgrades and able to be restored/backed up. The applet might need to say "settings will be lost across upgrades" (or something) | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | Or we move h-d to a transitions.ini.d/ approach which is common in Debian/Ubuntu/... now to maintain system controlled stuff along with user-maintainable config | 11:55 |
| ruskie | will the community pr package be smart enough to not require everything under the sun installed? i.e. make them suggested or recommended? | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | they're all depended on | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | but you can install a newer version (it's not hardcoded to one number) | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia uses (= $version), I'm using (>= $version) | 11:56 |
| ruskie | I guess I'll still have to remove broken pr stuff then I guess... | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | no need | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: "broken"? | 11:56 |
| ruskie | skype-ui-l10n-svse <-- how is this required for the system to function??? | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | it's not, I don't depend on it | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | It's basically similar to the approach Ubuntu use (dunno about other systems) | 11:57 |
| ruskie | MohammadAG, so there are things that are unbroken then? | 11:57 |
| ruskie | i.e. anything that isn't required for the core system to work is not included? | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | ruskie, I just depend on the package that I'm upgrading | 11:57 |
| ruskie | I thought pr included everything like all the previous prs... | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: Perhaps check, rather than guess? ;-) | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: There's still https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11831 as a side-effect of that, though. | 12:03 |
| povbot | Bug 11831: Removal of mp-fremantle-*-pr breaks apt autoremover | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, weird thing is, that doesn't happen on my system | 12:04 |
| ruskie | well already installing it... | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | The "manually installed" approach would mean that there wasn't a need to remove mp-fremantle-community-pr for ruskie to remove skype-ui-l10n-svse | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get autoremove | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | Reading package lists... Done | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | Building dependency tree | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Same here, TBH. | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | I'll try it on my clean CSSU N900 tonight, if I remember | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | that's why I found no fix for it | 12:06 |
| ruskie | and rebooted into cssu... | 12:15 |
| ruskie | updated... look for new maemo features... sheesh... | 12:16 |
| ruskie | how about just telling me about them ;) | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU_changelog | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 12:17 |
| ruskie | hmm interesting... kinetic scrolling seems to be working better now | 12:17 |
| ruskie | used to just randomly work or not work... | 12:18 |
| ruskie | now just need to find all the source packages for the init stuff I want to change(actually make fstab usable, sysctl and probably some other bits and pieces)... | 12:19 |
| ruskie | the most painless update so far on the N900... | 12:22 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, did you push everything this morning? Because the newest cssu pr depends on hildon-application-manager (>= 1:2.2.72-2) but the ham on gitorious is only (1:2.2.60~unreleased) | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, old home clone, can't figure out git | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | maybe you could help? :P | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | I need branch ham-2-2 to be master | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | do you want to move ham-2-2 to master in your repo, or just push your ham-2-2 to gitorious master? | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | I cloned master, which is 2.2.60 | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | I need to bring in what ham-2-2 changed, then push that as master | 13:17 |
| merlin1991 | assuming you did a normal clone git://gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline.git | 13:17 |
| merlin1991 | wait sec :D | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 13:18 |
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| merlin1991 | git checkout origin/ham-2-2 | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I can revert changes already done, don't worry about that | 13:24 |
| merlin1991 | git checkout -b ham-2-2 | 13:24 |
| merlin1991 | git checkout master | 13:24 |
| merlin1991 | git merge ham-2-2 | 13:24 |
| merlin1991 | resolve conflicts | 13:24 |
| merlin1991 | push | 13:24 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 13:24 |
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| merlin1991 | and since you don't need the ham-2-2 branch at that point anymore | 13:25 |
| merlin1991 | git branch -d ham-2-2 | 13:25 |
| macmaN | howdiddlydoo all | 13:26 |
| merlin1991 | well you can do it all at once too | 13:26 |
| merlin1991 | git checkout master (if you're not at master) | 13:26 |
| merlin1991 | and | 13:26 |
| merlin1991 | git merge origin/ham-2-2 | 13:26 |
| macmaN | im looking at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU but i am unsure how would i test running development for example thp's latest rotation patches on live device | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Well a) documentation needs writing, b) they've not been pushed yet (AFAIK) | 13:30 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/02/community-ssu-features-to-look-forward.html says "look forward to" ;-) | 13:31 |
| macmaN | i thought i saw thp's pull request was merged | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Doesn't mean it's been pushed in an update necessarily | 13:31 |
| macmaN | ah you mean update for mortals | 13:31 |
| macmaN | im talking about getting involved at development level | 13:32 |
| macmaN | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Development seems to have somethng | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Ah, cool. git clone, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b in scratchbox, dpkg -i on device/scratchbox | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: Needs fleshing out - contributions welcome ;-) | 13:32 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, does it work for you? | 13:32 |
| macmaN | right, if i could get some handholding when setting this up ill be happy to jot the notes down and write it up in the wiki | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, sec | 13:33 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: I believe the transitions.ini contains all the new stuff, and just needs 0->1 in a place or two | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 13:34 |
| merlin1991 | I'm better at doing git black magic than coding stuff :/ | 13:35 |
| macmaN | ok i cant work on this right away since im in a triz seminar and should probably pay at least some attention | 13:35 |
| merlin1991 | "some attention" :) | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | macmaN: "triz"? | 13:35 |
| macmaN | but in the word of ahnuld, ill be back | 13:36 |
| macmaN | @google triz, methodology | 13:36 |
| macmaN | for inventing | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, can you cook up a quick maemo icon? | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | the maemo.org icon | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | it's for the About CSSU entry in controlpane;l | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | s/;// | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Like http://talk.maemo.org/image.php?u=36740&dateline=1270206501 ? | 13:37 |
| merlin1991 | wtf since when can .ico files be animated? | 13:37 |
| merlin1991 | http://www.tqm.com/seminare/triz favicon is animted | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, :D | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, always? :P | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Something I did for the avatar for the CommunityCouncil reposting thing. | 13:38 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, no? | 13:40 |
| merlin1991 | .ico file format contains static pictures | 13:40 |
| merlin1991 | but that webpage uses a .gif with .ico as name | 13:40 |
| merlin1991 | and firefox is intelligent enough to detect that | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'll see what it looks like in the control panel | 13:41 |
| merlin1991 | under ie you don't get the favicon at all :D | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I was part of a forum that did that 4 years ago :P | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: If it looks rubbish, I'll try something else | 13:41 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, did you say you'd have to go to school today? or are you already back? :D | 13:42 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, didn't go | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | thoughts http://i53.tinypic.com/n3nhaq.jpg ? | 13:46 |
| merlin1991 | wth is message blocker? :D | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | blocks messages :P | 13:48 |
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| MohammadAG | actually, suppresses them, works well for operator messages :P | 13:48 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Maybe a non-square one? Or we use the same logo as the XB-Maemo-Icon for consistency? | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: And then ask timsamoff or wazd to come up with a new icon we can use consistently to replace it | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: BTW, is the "About product" applet open source? | 13:50 |
| merlin1991 | btw MohammadAG I managed to get the apt-mirror working yesterday, it's full mirror of the cssu repo http://87.106.163.159/community-testing/ | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, -devel please :P | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, same logo without the background would look good | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | well I can run an extras-devel mirror too :D | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | don't see the point though :D | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: True. I'll see what I can do. Although I created that one by just gimping the maemo.org logo | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: I think he means you've cloned the CSSU -devel/-testing repo. | 13:55 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa, it's a clone of the -testing repo since there is no other atm afaik | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Sorry, I misread the URL | 13:56 |
| merlin1991 | added a robots.txt to get rid of google | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 13:58 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, extras-devel has fremantle fremantle-1.2 and fremantle-1.3 where do new packages form the autobuilder end up? | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | fremantle-1.3 is afaik a symlink to 1.2 | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | fremantle -> fremantle-1.2 is an ABI break | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | so, fremantle-1.2 | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | I suggest cloning sources tbh | 14:04 |
| merlin1991 | it'd clone sources and packages | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | although I doubt it, but in case nokia pulls the plug, you can build everything | 14:04 |
| merlin1991 | s/it'd/I'll | 14:04 |
| merlin1991 | I wonder if I should mirror extras too | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | Nokia won't pull the plug without giving us a chance to replicate. | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, technically, extras is a subset of -devel | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | But it doesn't do any harm to be safe. | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 14:05 |
| merlin1991 | but if they pull we don't know anymore wich subset was considered stable :D | 14:05 |
| merlin1991 | any guess on the size? :D | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | most users would be gone then, so all would be stable :P | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | something above 60GBs | 14:07 |
| merlin1991 | i should increase the size of /var then :D | 14:08 |
| merlin1991 | it's only 50gbs atm | 14:08 |
| merlin1991 | doubled the size now .) | 14:12 |
| merlin1991 | 68,5 gb is the size | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | mirror is starting :D | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | it will be at http://87.106.163.159/maemo/ | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | with extras, extras-devel and community-testing | 14:14 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: how is fremantle -> fremantle-1.2 an abi break? | 14:14 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: Go read the announcements at the time | 14:15 |
| Venemo | Jaffa: nah. they were talking about the qt 4.5->4.6 as a reason. | 14:16 |
| Venemo | Jaffa: but qt 4.5 should be binary compatible with qt 4.6, so that was obviously a lie. | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm never needed this so I dunno, quick way to view the current network traffic from console (as in how much) | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, fremantle-1.2 doesn't work with fremantle | 14:21 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: sure, but fremantle works with fremantle-1.2 | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 14:22 |
| Venemo | so no ABI break... | 14:22 |
| lcuk | Venemo, you are thinking Qt only, rather than OS global, afaik changes occured in other places | 14:22 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: It was not a lie. It really didn't work. Why would people "lie"? | 14:23 |
| Venemo | lcuk, the reasoning that they publicized were clearly talking about just Qt | 14:23 |
| lcuk | who? links? references? | 14:23 |
| lcuk | afaik some of the hildon desktop components changed | 14:23 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: It was all discussed on maemo-developers. Stop spreading FUD, please. | 14:23 |
| Venemo | mhm | 14:23 |
| Jaffa | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025668.html and http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-April/025765.html | 14:25 |
| Venemo | thx | 14:25 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: The problems were real. | 14:25 |
| Venemo | I still don't understand why they changed the distribution name | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | Who is this "they"?! | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | It's "us". | 14:26 |
| Venemo | okay | 14:26 |
| Venemo | I still don't understand why we changed the distribution name | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | Then read the threads. Not everyone updates to the latest thing at the same time and there were a number of binary compatibility problems. The SDK was released before the update. Devs started using it, as did the autobuilder. But the software it delivered into Extras wouldn't run on PR1.1 devices for both deb Depends: ... shlibs reasons and proper symbol dependencies | 14:28 |
| Venemo | so... let's assume that I'm a dumb PR 1.1 user and I install something that depends on PR 1.2's libs | 14:28 |
| Venemo | then why not simply upgrade the dependant libs? | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | So, two things were done: new distribution name to ensure that new software wouldn't be uninstallable/crash on PR1.1 devices (which were pointing at `fremantle') and an effort to use the new symbol determining versions shlibs capability in newer versions of dpkg | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: Because that's not how Maemo does system libraries. | 14:29 |
| Venemo | mhm. | 14:29 |
| Venemo | I thought that if I have libXY 1.0 and I wanna install something that depends on libXY 2.0, then libXY will be upgraded automatically | 14:30 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: No, because if libXY = 1.0 is depended on by mp-fremantle-generic-pr, HAM will refuse to install it. | 14:31 |
| Jaffa | Maemo doesn't do partial SSU upgrades. For a variety of reasons, but it Just Doesn't. | 14:31 |
| lcuk | Venemo, however libxy2.0 causes a cascade in dependencies, and your little 32kb application ends up weighing at 140mb and being updated at a time when user was not expecting system level update | 14:31 |
| Jaffa | And an update which wasn't tested by Nokia QA. | 14:32 |
| Venemo | oh, yeah!!! | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | And possibly breaks other applications which were tested against libXY 1.0 | 14:33 |
| Venemo | "libXY = 1.0 is depended on by mp-fremantle-generic-pr" -> the stupid metapackage is the problem - now I get it. | 14:33 |
| lcuk | Venemo, hence, SSU was born years ago. | 14:33 |
| Venemo | thanks Jaffa | 14:33 |
| Venemo | ok lcuk | 14:33 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm back :D | 15:40 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, apt-mirror is up http://87.106.163.159/maemo/ :) | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | that was fast | 16:28 |
| merlin1991 | did dl roughly 68 gb of data from repository.maemo.org .D | 16:31 |
| merlin1991 | and cron is taking care to update every day @ 4:00 :) | 16:31 |
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| Sc0rpius | hmm | 18:10 |
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| merlin1991 | bbl, reboot | 20:28 |
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| barzam | I have a question, can I use aptitude to update the cssu or do I need to use the standard updater? | 20:49 |
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| Sc0rpius | apt-get install mp-fremantle-coomunity-pr | 20:53 |
| Sc0rpius | that should work | 20:53 |
| Sc0rpius | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | (typo) | 20:54 |
| barzam | I already have it installed, just for updates I mean | 20:54 |
| barzam | so I can safely keep using aptitude in the terminal to update everything? | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | that should update it, that's what I meant | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | the application manager is just another aptitude GUI, there's actually no difference on which aptitude manager you choose, apt-get, fapman, or ham | 20:55 |
| barzam | right, just checking, thanks for sorting it out | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, ham does extra stuff on upgrades though | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | though at this current time, they shouldn't matter | 21:14 |
| Sc0rpius | what extra stuff? | 21:15 |
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| barzam | MohammadAG: so that means ham is the preferred way to update the cssu? | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, tuning ubifs is one | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | barzam, "supported", fapman does autoremove on each install | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | that might cause extra bugs atm | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get should be fine | 21:47 |
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| barzam | MohammadAG: just wanna make sure, thanks for clearing it out | 21:48 |
| barzam | and thanks a lot for all the effort you guys put into this, I really apreciate it | 21:49 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I just tried repeating the autoremove bug on my clean flash PR1.3 which has the CSSU applied (and now rootsh). Same as we get on our N900s | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | so the bug's invalid? | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | Therefore without further reproduction instructions the bug should be RESOLVED WORKSFORME | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | can you try installing HAM? | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | What do you mean? | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | err, fapman | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | try installing fapman, then install something in fapman | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | if the bug occurs, we can blame the bug reporter :P | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | I have fapman installed on my main N900 but rarely use it. | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | well, same, but I always unticked the autoremove option | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | Never saw that ;-) | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | then you're free to close the bug, I'm not sure what's causing it for some | 23:22 |
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| Jaffa | fapman installing | 23:25 |
| Jaffa | dum de dum | 23:25 |
| barzam | fapman is the greatest name btw :) | 23:25 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Can't reproduce it. | 23:40 |
| Jaffa | *However*, I had a thought: what if it's people who installed mp-fremantle-community-pr manually, through fapman, after installing the repo in fapman themselves? | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | then you can close the bug I guess | 23:40 |
| Sc0rpius | what's the bug # | 23:41 |
| Jaffa | It's a dupe of bug 11906 | 23:41 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11906 email desktop widget is gone after latest Community SSU upgrade | 23:41 |
| Jaffa | That's the bit I remember. | 23:41 |
| Sc0rpius | bug 11831 maybe? | 23:42 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11831 Removal of mp-fremantle-*-pr breaks apt autoremover | 23:42 |
| Jaffa | That's it. | 23:42 |
| Sc0rpius | your mp-fremantle-community-pr gets removed? | 23:43 |
| Sc0rpius | mine is still there | 23:43 |
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| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: No, they mean the removal of mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 23:44 |
| Sc0rpius | manually? | 23:44 |
| Sc0rpius | oh generic | 23:44 |
| Sc0rpius | ok ok | 23:44 |
| Sc0rpius | but the whole bug says mp-fremantle-community-pr | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | Because it has hard Depends on everything making up the system, when you move to mp-fremantle-community-pr, the packages are no longer hard-depended on and so `apt-get autoremove' (run by fapman regularly, by default) wants to remove half the system | 23:45 |
| Sc0rpius | if I remove mp-fremantle-community-pr, maybe the autoremover wants to remove half the system | 23:46 |
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| Sc0rpius | my question is, are they removing the mp-fremantle-community-pr manually? | 23:46 |
| Sc0rpius | and why are they removing it | 23:46 |
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