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| DocScrutinizer | (makes me high) I'd prefer less hard drugs, like sniffing gasoline or smoking crack | 04:45 |
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| Sc0rpius | huh? | 04:51 |
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| Sc0rpius | this Modest in tree view mode is beautiful | 06:40 |
| Sc0rpius | and the first window (account selection) | 06:40 |
| Sc0rpius | is not needed anymore and it's not shown | 06:40 |
| Sc0rpius | all accounts in one screen | 06:40 |
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| Dhraakellian | tree view mode? | 07:07 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah | 07:18 |
| Sc0rpius | something like this: http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/892/screenshot2011020202321.png | 07:19 |
| Sc0rpius | you have all your accounts in one window, no need to select each accounts | 07:19 |
| Sc0rpius | the accounts are expandable/collapsable, like their subfolders | 07:19 |
| Sc0rpius | the first screen (where you select the account) is skipped in this mode since it's redundant | 07:20 |
| Dhraakellian | hmm | 07:25 |
| Dhraakellian | do we get the same thing once inside the individual folders? | 07:25 |
| Sc0rpius | you so | 07:26 |
| Dhraakellian | I'd love to have actual message threading | 07:26 |
| Sc0rpius | errr | 07:26 |
| Sc0rpius | no, same thing | 07:26 |
| Dhraakellian | so I could stop salivating over KMail Touch | 07:26 |
| Dhraakellian | which looks really, really interesting | 07:26 |
| Dhraakellian | but is reeaally slow and still a tad buggy | 07:26 |
| Sc0rpius | you mean threaded view like Gmail does? | 07:29 |
| Sc0rpius | I would never do that, at least not the way Gmail does. I have threads of 500 messages. | 07:29 |
| Sc0rpius | one click and bye bye phone, dataplan, battery, etc. | 07:30 |
| Dhraakellian | no. ew | 07:31 |
| Dhraakellian | I don't like GMail's threading (at least, not from when I last used it—I don't know if it's improved) | 07:31 |
| Dhraakellian | GMail's threading means that I have to read an entire thread at once or have inaccurate read/unread stats | 07:32 |
| Dhraakellian | nah, I want nested threading in the message list | 07:32 |
| Dhraakellian | and the next/previous buttons in the actual message view to act accordingly | 07:32 |
| Sc0rpius | now something like this, can be done: | 07:32 |
| Sc0rpius | http://media.photobucket.com/image/mail%20threaded/AmradUK/SeaMonkey/SeamonkeyMailThreadedView-cropped.jpg | 07:33 |
| Dhraakellian | yeah, KMail on the desktop does it | 07:33 |
| Sc0rpius | tree view of messages | 07:33 |
| Dhraakellian | as can Thunderbird and a whole host of other clients | 07:33 |
| Dhraakellian | I think KMail Touch does flat threading in the message view | 07:33 |
| Dhraakellian | (iirc) | 07:33 |
| Sc0rpius | but in such a tiny screen I wonder how it would look | 07:33 |
| Dhraakellian | and the next/previous button(s?) don't respect threading (yet?) | 07:33 |
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| Dhraakellian | heck, I'd settle for flat threading in the message list | 07:34 |
| Dhraakellian | but I want to be able to read by threads | 07:34 |
| Sc0rpius | you mean just grouping the messages with same subject? | 07:34 |
| Sc0rpius | (or same similar subject discarding Re: Fwd: etc) | 07:34 |
| Dhraakellian | well, a little more complicated than that, since in-reply-to field in the headers has something to do with it to, iirc | 07:35 |
| Dhraakellian | (although I don't remember what the actual field is called) | 07:35 |
| Dhraakellian | (nor exactly how it works) | 07:35 |
| Sc0rpius | well I could think about it | 07:36 |
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| mardy | DocScrutinizer: about my comments, yesterday | 08:56 |
| mardy | DocScrutinizer: I wouldn't call it FUD, and I didn't say that Matan's injected some malware | 08:57 |
| mardy | DocScrutinizer: I'm saying that my gut feeling is that no one except Matan knows the details of that code | 08:57 |
| mardy | DocScrutinizer: which is very bad, because no one can develop on top of that | 08:57 |
| mardy | DocScrutinizer: so, my suggestion is: let's take the code out, I'll reimplement those features which I understand, and leave the re-submission of the other patches to Matan | 08:58 |
| mardy | (or anyone who cares about them) | 08:59 |
| mardy | DocScrutinizer: about keyboard navigation, I personally don't see the benefit, because I only take the keyboard out when writing some text, but that's my personal preference, so I don't object to keyboard navigation a priori | 09:00 |
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| Jaffa | Sc0pius: A tree view for conversations would probably take too much space; however a "conversation view" which at least grouped the messages like a vertical concertina should be doable, cos the headers would already be there (at least within a single folder). | 09:37 |
| Jaffa | (I know he's not here, I'm remembering this for later ;-)) | 09:37 |
| Jaffa | Sc0pius: How does one only send & receive a single account now? | 09:37 |
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| BCMM | my keyboard LEDs don't light; could it be an SSU thing? | 12:59 |
| BCMM | also, what's the sysfs interface so i can see what happens if i turn it on manually? | 12:59 |
| BCMM | actually, all the leds stopper working. i've had this before... | 13:02 |
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| Jaffa | BCMM: Maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11905 ? | 13:04 |
| povbot | Bug 11905: Charging led not working | 13:04 |
| Jaffa | (Yeah, I know he's gone) | 13:04 |
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| ZogG | BCMM, hey | 13:15 |
| BCMM | good day | 13:16 |
| Jaffa | BCMM: Maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11905 ? | 13:16 |
| povbot | Bug 11905: Charging led not working | 13:16 |
| BCMM | i remembered this problem; had it with the pr1.3 update too | 13:16 |
| ZogG | i dunno why but i still didn't got any single bug with CSSU | 13:16 |
| BCMM | between installing an ssu and doing a proper battery-out reset | 13:17 |
| ZogG | there was one when it didn't charged phone but i don't think it's CSSU releated at all =) | 13:17 |
| ZogG | Jaffa, btw as i installed CSSU i don't need community enabler right? | 13:17 |
| BCMM | by the way is there anything special about taking the battery+sim out, or does that just work because it ensures you don't put the battery back too fast? | 13:17 |
| BCMM | incidentally, /sys/class/led was empty aprt from the vibrator | 13:20 |
| BCMM | if somebody else thinks it's a CSSU bug, maybe it's something that's triggered by the reboot after ssu installation? i got it after pr1.3 installation | 13:20 |
| BCMM | maybe i should comment on the bug | 13:21 |
| ZogG | BCMM, it doesn't matter if it's fixable, as if it is it should be fixed in CSSU so it would be nice to have it there | 13:26 |
| ZogG | i mean bug report, not bug itself | 13:27 |
| ZogG | and i wonder why all time settings are lost if i take battery out and change sim, i understand if they don't have battery to track time but my timezone and so on is lost as well what is kinda silly | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: indeed | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, I don't really tolerate this. They used a crappy backup battery cell, that is completely broken an virtually all devices after just 6 months | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it *should* power the RTC for at least weeks, or even months, without main bat | 15:24 |
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| BCMM_ | what sort of cell? does it recharge, or just slowly flatten? | 16:15 |
| BCMM_ | actually, that's probably a stupid question given the long life of decent lithium button cells and the extremely low draw of decent clocks | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: ot's a freaky LiIon, with like 2.5V max voltage | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | It *should* recharge | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas it breaks instead, leaks, sucks... | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | some users replaced it by a goldcap | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: battery like http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/1208681-battery-lithium-3v-recharge-hb414-iv01e.html if you manage to get to datasheet of Seiko, they got compatible capacitors in same datasheet | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf <<this one | 17:11 |
| BCMM_ | "compatible" in what respect? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | drop-in replacement | 17:14 |
| BCMM_ | oh | 17:14 |
| BCMM_ | heh | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1/10 of buffer time, but 10000 times durability | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe you only get days instead of one time some weeks buffering :-P | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you get those few days reliably for monts, and years, of removing mainbat on a frequent basis. While LiIon bupbat evidently 98% are dead after 6 month from manufacturing date | 17:16 |
| BCMM_ | so they can leak and damage the n900? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | they *do* leak. Damage potential unknown | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems LiIon hasn't exactly acid as an electrolyte | 17:28 |
| BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: i don't know a great deal about different battery chemistries, but i do know that the only requirement is that must have something fairly reactive inside :) | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think I recall organic acids in LiIon | 17:44 |
| RST38h | No acids in LiIon | 17:45 |
| RST38h | "Liquid electrolytes in lithium-ion batteries consist of lithium salts, such as LiPF6, LiBF4 or LiClO4 in an organic solvent, such as ethylene carbonate, dimethyl carbonate, and diethyl carbonate." | 17:46 |
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| BCMM_ | liquid electrolytes are still electrolytes, and therefore can short things out | 18:07 |
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| Scorpius | grrrr | 18:10 |
| Scorpius | stupid "script" | 18:10 |
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| Sc0rpius | Max Users Record in #maemo-ssu: 51 on Wed Feb 09 16:19:07 2011 | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Said some stuff to you earlier whilst you were offline. I can either paste you a log link or say it again ;-)) | 18:13 |
| Sc0rpius | both options are ok | 18:15 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | Sc0pius: A tree view for conversations would probably take too much space; however a "conversation view" which at least grouped the messages like a vertical concertina should be doable, cos the headers would already be there (at least within a single folder). | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | Sc0pius: How does one only send & receive a single account now? | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | That was it, I think | 18:16 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 18:20 |
| Sc0rpius | well to send & receive a single account you would go to the inbox or any other folder of that account and select send & receive from there | 18:21 |
| Sc0rpius | and that would sync the whole account | 18:21 |
| Sc0rpius | and about the conversation tree/view haven't thought too much about it | 18:22 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer so it means i do have backup battery but it's just dead? | 19:55 |
| ZogG | how can i check it? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove main battery for 60s. If after that your device asks to set time etc, then backup cell is dead | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually dead as a stone | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | a backup cell in good condition should keep RTC running for at least several days, if not even months | 19:58 |
| ZogG | so it is dead | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | expected result | 20:00 |
| ZogG | and no guarantee on it? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yu could try, but what'S the use? you get new crap that is dead in summer | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's something fundamentally broken with these backup LiIon cells | 20:02 |
| ZogG | ыщ ш пщ фпфшт фтв фыл ащк туц зрщту сщя ше луузы сщььштп | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can of course return your N900 for refund | 20:02 |
| ZogG | oops | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:02 |
| ZogG | i'll demand n9 instead | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | that won't work | 20:02 |
| ZogG | or full cost when i bought it | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | that won't work either | 20:03 |
| ZogG | those high tech specs with such stupid small detailes =) | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | in Europe at least | 20:03 |
| ZogG | like this battery, software managment of main battary, no chrger not usb, front cam with no use, bluetooth and wifi no go =) | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 20:04 |
| ZogG | as law says they need to give me back full price i bought it or more if the prices up | 20:04 |
| ZogG | it's like you have gucci pants but underwear with holes =) | 20:05 |
| ZogG | shame on nokia | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, seems you're in a lucky area of this planet then. Here in EU you get charged for usage per week when you return | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: shame on Seiko. How could Nokia know those cells are all crap at time of manufacture that breaks just 6..12months later? | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | At OM we used same cells, and had same issue :-P | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe Nokia *could* have known | 20:07 |
| ZogG | why didn't you tell nokia? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | they didn't ask :-P | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I started a micro poll on Neo Freerunner owners some months ago, which resulted in like 70% of devices had a broken cell, and these were all older 6 months, while of the remaining 30% good ones most were quite new | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway Nokia never advertised or even specified the existence and performance of any backup cell in N900, so it's quite hard to make them accept any liability to do anything about it | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 20:12 |
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| toggles | DocScrutinizer: ha! thanks!! i always thought it was a sim issue, never thought to question the battery.. | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably a typical mainenance error: you MUST NOT keep LiIon cells floating at max charge voltage. Nevertheless that's *exactly* what all the bupbat circuits do for charging those cells | 20:21 |
| RST38h | YIou are STILL discussing LiIons? Hm | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aynway, bottom line: get a goldcap and swap it for the friggin LiIon Mg/Fe cell. Like found here: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf -> forget about the issue | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> Long cycle life: More than 10,000 times charge/discharge cycle << | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | while LiIon has cycle life of 100..200!! | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | even when treated nicely | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | the main bat has 500..1000 minimum, DARN | 20:27 |
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