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| Sc0rpius | so | 00:18 |
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| Sc0rpius | this is like a "PR1.4" made by the community? | 00:18 |
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| ml-mobile | something like that | 00:19 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Not quite as big as PR1.4 yet. More the start of something which - if people help out - could be as big as a PR1.4 or PR1.5 | 00:19 |
| psycho_oreos | not there yet but its aim is to be something like that | 00:19 |
| Sc0rpius | that's über nice | 00:19 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: MohammadAG likes PR1.3.3.7 ;-) | 00:20 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah but I mean, it's kinda the idea | 00:20 |
| Jaffa | And I'm *really* going to bed. | 00:20 |
| Sc0rpius | for example, this release fixes the hildon-desktop bug that tops CPU? | 00:20 |
| psycho_oreos | lol Jaffa nite :D | 00:20 |
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| Sc0rpius | I "fixed" it myself recompiling it since it was already fixed in git | 00:20 |
| Sc0rpius | but they didn't push that in PR1.3 (weird) | 00:20 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: correct. | 00:20 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius, I believe so yes, I think that was fixed originally by matan | 00:20 |
| Sc0rpius | see? that's enough for me to install it | 00:20 |
| Sc0rpius | it was already fixed when I pulled the source code from the repository | 00:21 |
| Sc0rpius | I should install this | 00:21 |
| * Jaffa likes that; and the Modest quoting patches | 00:21 | |
| Jaffa | Proper quoting, attribution & signature positioning! Woohoo. | 00:21 |
| Sc0rpius | Modest needs so many modifications | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Source is all there; and now we have an easy means to deliver it | 00:22 |
| Sc0rpius | everybody hates it but I think it can be a powerful mobile email client | 00:22 |
| psycho_oreos | at the same time it needs more developers :) | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: http://gitorious.org/communiyt-ssu | 00:22 |
| Sc0rpius | page not found heh | 00:22 |
| psycho_oreos | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Agreed. It's poor, but it's better than nothing. And better than starting from scratch | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Thanks | 00:22 |
| * Jaffa shouldn't type URLs from memory when it's bed time ;-) | 00:22 | |
| psycho_oreos | Jaffa is way past his sleeping time :p | 00:22 |
| psycho_oreos | Jaffa, nw | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | psycho_oreos: It took me far too long earlier today to do 1998 - 54. | 00:23 |
| Sc0rpius | it actually "works" for me. It reads my email when I'm connected. It doesn't support IDLE imap command, but it's ok | 00:23 |
| Sc0rpius | actually maybe with IDLE support the battery would run out faster | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | psycho_oreos: And I miscounted 7 mugs as 8 and had to go back and make a new cup of tea for myself. | 00:23 |
| Sc0rpius | so it's ok if it's polling every 10 minutes or so | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Indeed. | 00:23 |
| psycho_oreos | my lack of sleep will soon bite me, I stayed up overnight after drinking a big long black coffee at 2130hrs | 00:23 |
| psycho_oreos | Jaffa, lol better than coffee I bet :) coffee is just pure evil | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Some better support for conversation/grouping and Google's intepretation of IMAP (i.e. "Delete" == archive, "Move to [Gmail]/Trash" == delete) | 00:24 |
| Sc0rpius | right now what bothers me the most is that it only polls the inbox and not other folders, and that subfolders can't be hidden | 00:24 |
| Sc0rpius | hmmm | 00:24 |
| Sc0rpius | that's another thing | 00:24 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, one thing which should be easy: if you only have one account, don't show the account selection scren | 00:24 |
| Sc0rpius | the "special folders" should be customizable | 00:24 |
| Sc0rpius | "Sent Items", "Sent", in every account I have has a different name | 00:25 |
| * Jaffa grins. | 00:25 | |
| Jaffa | G'night. | 00:25 |
| Sc0rpius | nite | 00:25 |
| Sc0rpius | so I'm gonna install this | 00:26 |
| * Sc0rpius fetches his N900 | 00:26 | |
| psycho_oreos | iirc that hildon cpu eating bug was because of widgets and probably autodisconnect right? | 00:27 |
| Sc0rpius | let's do a backup first, backupmenu = unbeatable | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | psycho_oreos: There was a bug in hildon-desktop where if you used sub-menus in the applications menu, it ate CPU randomly | 00:27 |
| Sc0rpius | exactly | 00:27 |
| psycho_oreos | I remember what'sthatthingymajighandle had it mentioned on his page | 00:27 |
| Sc0rpius | it had something to do with submenus | 00:27 |
| Sc0rpius | does any one of you suffer from keyboard peeling? | 00:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Jaffa, ahh I wasn't sure about that one. Mine was to do with the extortion amounts of widgets running on my hildon-desktop | 00:28 |
| Sc0rpius | my space bar is almost white now :( | 00:28 |
| psycho_oreos | I do, my backspace is the worst, next to that are the home keys | 00:28 |
| psycho_oreos | either way I think matan fixed that up and made mhd package. That was later integrated into the now hildon-desktop on cssu | 00:29 |
| Sc0rpius | I tried to "paint" it with those markers you use to write onr CDs | 00:29 |
| Sc0rpius | but didn't work | 00:29 |
| psycho_oreos | I think they are enamel based paint, maybe several layers too at that.. I was thinking of manually replacing the entire keyboard if I can't replace a single key | 00:30 |
| Sc0rpius | right now in the meantime I put some tiny black insulating tape to avoid further peeling and (most importantly) to avoid the brightness that comes from the backlight through the hole | 00:32 |
| psycho_oreos | I haven't put anything on top of mine yet, if it gets really annoying I may as well replace the keys/keyboard | 00:33 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah, if you can find a replacement... | 00:33 |
| psycho_oreos | but yes I can see the little backlights, they are somewhat annoying when you wanted more dim keys | 00:33 |
| psycho_oreos | I was thinking of fleabay, then I thought of some nokia parts outlets online.. if all those fails I'll head for nokia care | 00:34 |
| Sc0rpius | I have a BIG HOLE in the space key so the backlight is annoying | 00:34 |
| Sc0rpius | it's almost the size of the whole key! | 00:34 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I can imagine that would be very annoying, mine is roughly 1/4 for backspace | 00:35 |
| Sc0rpius | well | 00:56 |
| Sc0rpius | it showed me errors | 00:56 |
| Sc0rpius | but errors that should have not matter with the installation | 00:57 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean the enabler gave me an error because one of my repositories doesn't exist anymore... | 00:57 |
| psycho_oreos | weird, which repository was that? | 01:00 |
| Sc0rpius | I had the mozilla repository because I once installed a beta of Firefox (fennec) | 01:00 |
| Sc0rpius | but it shouldn't matter that the repository doesn't exist anymore, anyway it aborted the installation | 01:01 |
| Sc0rpius | I deleted the repository (it didn't work anymore anyway) and I'm gonna try agian | 01:01 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah that repository isn't important, weird how it can influence the outcome unless if the browser is still there but then again | 01:01 |
| Sc0rpius | now I get a database is locked by another process, and I don't have any pkg manager loaded | 01:03 |
| psycho_oreos | fennec is still being maintained btw :) I don't know if its actively maintained or is it just some automake bot which does its usual cron task but building it according to the dates | 01:03 |
| psycho_oreos | what about the CPU process? | 01:03 |
| psycho_oreos | like how much load? | 01:03 |
| Sc0rpius | 98% idle load 1.10 average | 01:03 |
| psycho_oreos | weird, its mostly idling | 01:04 |
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| Sc0rpius | yeah, this time looks that it's working | 01:04 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe the app. manager was still running, but in the background or something | 01:04 |
| psycho_oreos | I also noticed something a little erratic when installing that package as well, I still have fennec installed but it always gives me nightly builds which coincidentally appeared on my update list along with the community pr, when I specifically wanted to update community pr ham also went and updated fennec. I suppose its something like dist-upgrade process | 01:05 |
| psycho_oreos | that's what I'm thinking but with 90% idle its a little weird | 01:05 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe even apt-worker, have you got conky/load-applet handy? | 01:06 |
| Sc0rpius | no | 01:08 |
| Sc0rpius | it's installing now, 2.24 MB | 01:08 |
| psycho_oreos | there we go :) | 01:08 |
| psycho_oreos | I guess patience is still needed :D | 01:08 |
| ecksun | how come ctrl + backspace doesnt switch applications anymore? | 01:09 |
| Sc0rpius | now it's restarting | 01:11 |
| psycho_oreos | ecksun, weird it should, if not there's an xml that you can tweak it with | 01:11 |
| ecksun | where? :) | 01:11 |
| ecksun | thats the single most important feature on the phone :/ | 01:12 |
| psycho_oreos | hang on lemme find it | 01:12 |
| ecksun | thx | 01:12 |
| Sc0rpius | ok dne | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | done | 01:13 |
| psycho_oreos | ecksun, /usr/share/gconf/schemas/hildon-desktop-keys.schemas <-- if needed be I can pastebin the contents of that file | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | and yeah ctrl - backspace doesn't work anymore | 01:13 |
| ecksun | Sc0rpius, why? | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | good question, I'd have to look at the source | 01:13 |
| ecksun | is it because of the ssu? | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | hold on | 01:14 |
| ecksun | it seems to be in that file psycho_oreos | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | ok in the schema for ctrl_backspace: <default>0</default> | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | shouldn't that be "true" ? | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | or 1 | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | actually | 01:15 |
| ecksun | it says true for me | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | can't be, it's type "int" | 01:15 |
| ecksun | intresting | 01:16 |
| Sc0rpius | oh I'm looking the one at the navigator | 01:16 |
| Sc0rpius | <short>Enable ctrl+backspace shortcut</short> <-- that one is "true" | 01:16 |
| ecksun | yes, mine to | 01:16 |
| psycho_oreos | hang on I'll paste it if it helps. It works in my case and I'm sure I don't have mhd installed | 01:16 |
| ecksun | mhd? | 01:17 |
| psycho_oreos | modified hildon desktop, the package by matan which enables `alt tabbing' iinm | 01:17 |
| ecksun | okay, is that included in the ssu? | 01:18 |
| Sc0rpius | no | 01:18 |
| Sc0rpius | the ssu has the original hildon-desktop with the last patches | 01:18 |
| Sc0rpius | but it should work | 01:18 |
| ecksun | yes, i guess should is the operating word | 01:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | funnily enough hildon-desktop package that was provided by cssu does have that file mentioned, so I'm presuming it was installed along with the package itself | 01:19 |
| Sc0rpius | so it overwrote it? | 01:19 |
| psycho_oreos | most likely yes | 01:20 |
| Sc0rpius | lemme extract the previous one I have from the backup let's see if I can see a difference | 01:20 |
| ecksun | diff :) | 01:21 |
| psycho_oreos | diff -y :D | 01:22 |
| ecksun | oh, nice, i usually use vimdiff for that | 01:22 |
| ecksun | killing hildon-desktop should have it reload the file? | 01:22 |
| psycho_oreos | I presume so yes | 01:23 |
| ecksun | or is it dbus that needs to be restarted | 01:23 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't have /usr/share/gconf/schemas/hildon-desktop-keys.schemas in PR1.3 | 01:24 |
| Sc0rpius | just ./usr/share/gconf/schemas/hildon-desktop-views.schemas | 01:24 |
| ecksun | hmm | 01:24 |
| psycho_oreos | they are the exact same thing lol | 01:25 |
| psycho_oreos | ah wait | 01:25 |
| Sc0rpius | not the same | 01:25 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't have the "keys" one | 01:25 |
| psycho_oreos | not quite, yeah one is keys the other is vies | 01:25 |
| psycho_oreos | views* | 01:25 |
| psycho_oreos | I just picked that up lol my bad.. hmm you could I suppose manually add that in, restart hildon-desktop and see if it works | 01:25 |
| Sc0rpius | what should we add? | 01:26 |
| psycho_oreos | just add the file missing from your setup with the pastebin of mine, make sure of course to trim off the unnecessary header and footer junk first :) | 01:27 |
| Sc0rpius | where's your pastebin? | 01:27 |
| Sc0rpius | I think I missed that | 01:27 |
| ecksun | yeah, me to | 01:27 |
| psycho_oreos | oops my bad | 01:28 |
| psycho_oreos | http://wwww.pastebin.com/PtS1MFfW | 01:29 |
| psycho_oreos | my time for another cup of coffee is definitely knocking on my doorsteps :) | 01:29 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm it's the exact same file | 01:30 |
| psycho_oreos | wait the keys is the same as views on yours? | 01:30 |
| psycho_oreos | that's really messed up :x | 01:30 |
| Sc0rpius | no no | 01:30 |
| Sc0rpius | the keys I have (from ssu) is the same you have | 01:31 |
| Sc0rpius | but my ctrl-backspace doesn't work | 01:31 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh bugger | 01:31 |
| Sc0rpius | and this: | 01:31 |
| Sc0rpius | <key>/schemas/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backaspace</key> | 01:31 |
| Sc0rpius | looks like a typo (backAspace) | 01:31 |
| Sc0rpius | but maybe not | 01:31 |
| ecksun | nice catch, will try editing | 01:31 |
| psycho_oreos | diff says the same from both? hmm | 01:32 |
| psycho_oreos | I'll paste the other file then, I don't think the other is that particularly useful but I'll pastebin it anyway | 01:32 |
| Sc0rpius | the problem is "keys" | 01:32 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't have diff on my N900 hehehe | 01:33 |
| ecksun | how do you mean "keys"? | 01:33 |
| Sc0rpius | the hildon-desktop-keys.schema file | 01:33 |
| psycho_oreos | http://pastebin.com/vhvEqQ8M | 01:33 |
| psycho_oreos | diff can be obtained from qa-tools iirc or maybe actually from coreutils-gnu | 01:34 |
| ecksun | psycho_oreos, but ctrl + backspace works for you? | 01:34 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah its /usr/bin/gnu/ so that's coreutils-gnu | 01:34 |
| psycho_oreos | ecksun, yup | 01:34 |
| ecksun | hmpf | 01:34 |
| ecksun | what have you done that we havent | 01:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I just did dpkg -l| grep modified and I got: rc modified-hildon-desktop 3.2 Modified Hildon desktop for Fremantle | 01:35 |
| Sc0rpius | ohh | 01:35 |
| ecksun | hmm, interesting | 01:35 |
| psycho_oreos | that seems to be the most relevant one.. I did remove that prior to install (note the flags, its meant to be ii as installed but it has rc instead) | 01:35 |
| Sc0rpius | well I can replace hildon-desktop with the one I always use | 01:35 |
| ecksun | what does rc mean then? | 01:36 |
| psycho_oreos | nfi lol | 01:36 |
| * psycho_oreos googles | 01:36 | |
| psycho_oreos | A status of 'rc' signifies that the package has been removed, but that the configuration files remain (afaik -- however I haven't been able to find any doc to double-check). You can use 'purge' as an option to either dpkg or apt to remove these files also, if you wish. | 01:36 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dpkg-what-does-a-status-of-rc-mean-355593/ | 01:36 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah I replaced hildon-desktop with the one I compiled and everything works again | 01:37 |
| Sc0rpius | ecksun, you could install that hildon-desktop everyone has (mhd) | 01:37 |
| Sc0rpius | and we should file a bug | 01:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | seems like it wasn't exactly the thing MohammadAG said humpf :| | 01:37 |
| Sc0rpius | since ecksun found the bug, he should file it! | 01:37 |
| ecksun | Sc0rpius, did you just confirm its a bug in hildon-desktop from the cssu? | 01:38 |
| Sc0rpius | yes it's confirmed | 01:38 |
| ecksun | nice | 01:38 |
| ecksun | :P | 01:38 |
| ecksun | havent filed a proper bug report before : | 01:38 |
| Sc0rpius | since hildon-desktop.launch from PR1.3 also works | 01:38 |
| ecksun | :) | 01:38 |
| psycho_oreos | interesting, a dpkg -L modified-hildon-desktop yields rescue stuff | 01:40 |
| ecksun | wow, i have search for that flag for quite som tag | 01:41 |
| ecksun | time* | 01:41 |
| ecksun | hmm, how is it generally regarded if i mention that you confirmed it in the bug report sco? | 01:42 |
| ecksun | Sc0rpius* | 01:42 |
| ecksun | is it bad ettiquett? | 01:43 |
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| Sc0rpius | you don't need that, they always try to reproduce the error | 01:43 |
| Sc0rpius | and it's fairly easy to hit it | 01:43 |
| ecksun | true | 01:44 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: OK :) | 01:44 |
| psycho_oreos | ok so one needs to reinstall mhd after or just remove it and it'll work? I haven't installed mhd and it works | 01:44 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, thanks, saves me the `mouse-o-rama' effect ;) | 01:45 |
| Sc0rpius | what's the filesyze of your /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch ? | 01:45 |
| Sc0rpius | filesize | 01:45 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: i have "ii modified-hildon-desktop", as you say | 01:45 |
| Sc0rpius | if it's 463,372 then ctrl-backspace doesn't work! | 01:45 |
| psycho_oreos | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 463372 2010-12-31 08:56 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch | 01:45 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, yeah ii indicates installed afaik | 01:46 |
| Sc0rpius | and your /usr/bin/hildon-desktop points to maemo-launcher? | 01:46 |
| psycho_oreos | but mine it has rc | 01:46 |
| Sc0rpius | or points to mhd? | 01:46 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: so "dpkg -r modified-hildon-desktop" worked for you, and doesn't leave you bootlooping with no hildon-desktop installed? | 01:46 |
| Sc0rpius | maemo-invoker actually | 01:46 |
| Sc0rpius | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Jan 29 18:39 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 01:46 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius, going to check that soon | 01:46 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, no no bootloops | 01:46 |
| BCMM | is the advice on removing MHD here correct? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68231 | 01:47 |
| psycho_oreos | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2011-01-26 00:46 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 01:47 |
| Sc0rpius | wow | 01:47 |
| Sc0rpius | and your ctrl backspace works? | 01:47 |
| Sc0rpius | that's weird | 01:47 |
| ecksun | in which repo is MHD? | 01:47 |
| psycho_oreos | matan's own repo | 01:47 |
| ecksun | because that was the way you recomended i fix the issue for now, right? :) | 01:47 |
| psycho_oreos | my.arava.co.il/~matan and my.svgalib.org/770 iirc | 01:48 |
| psycho_oreos | there's a wiki entry for that | 01:48 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius, yes lol | 01:48 |
| BCMM | ecksun: matan has is own | 01:48 |
| ecksun | found it, thx | 01:48 |
| BCMM | wow, i'm much too slow, sorry | 01:48 |
| ecksun | :D | 01:48 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm not sure exactly what else have I changed, if needed be I can just dump my dpkg -l but I have way too many stuff installed | 01:49 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, I wouldn't recommend that last post on purging, purging will remove the conf files, not a good idea I think | 01:49 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: why not? surely the new package comes with it's own config files? | 01:50 |
| psycho_oreos | seems like alterego corrected what I said: <alterego> purge will only remove config files that are installed with the package. | <alterego> If the appâ creates config files at run time then they're not guaranteed to be removed. | 01:51 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, well it seems like users here are facing issues with no Ctrl+Backspace tabbing capability | 01:51 |
| BCMM | well, of course - how would dpkg know what an app creates? | 01:51 |
| psycho_oreos | I have mine as rc which meant that I only removed it rather than purging it as well | 01:51 |
| BCMM | is it configured with the same gconf stuff? | 01:52 |
| psycho_oreos | some apps may have it predefined.. usually with placeholders but yes if they create their own new variants, it won't get covered | 01:52 |
| psycho_oreos | I presume so but I can't say for certain now that there's two users, one used mhd and the other a custom hildon-desktop are facing same issues with no Ctrl+Backspace | 01:53 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm presuming if one loses Ctrl+Backspace functionality one can still install mhd ontop which may need to be installed via --force | 01:54 |
| psycho_oreos | and he's up to like 3.3 on mhd | 01:54 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius && ecksun any news/updates on the issue? | 01:55 |
| ecksun | im trying to install mhd atm | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* | 01:56 |
| ecksun | installing | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | you may need to --force it if dpkg refuses to overwrite | 01:56 |
| ecksun | unable to install :((( | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | it may cause problems when updating to newer CSSU stuff but you can then later remove that package | 01:56 |
| ecksun | yes, i see this as a temporary fix | 01:57 |
| psycho_oreos | try dpkg -i --force all <file>.deb | 01:57 |
| psycho_oreos | its a nasty hack that I used | 01:57 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm pretty sure it just overwrites the schemas | 01:58 |
| ecksun | is there no similar parameter with apt-get ? | 01:58 |
| ecksun | -f didnt work | 01:58 |
| psycho_oreos | that's where it was overlapping with hildon-desktop | 01:58 |
| psycho_oreos | humm not sure, I could look for one | 01:58 |
| ecksun | nvm, i will just wget the deb | 01:58 |
| psycho_oreos | --force-yes Force yes; This is a dangerous option that will cause apt to continue without prompting if it is doing something potentially harmful. It should not be used except in very special situations. Using force-yes can potentially destroy your system! Configuration Item: APT::Get::force-yes. | 01:59 |
| ecksun | i dont think it will override, but will try | 01:59 |
| ecksun | nope, didnt work | 02:00 |
| ecksun | wtf, errors while processing wget | 02:00 |
| psycho_oreos | humm bugger, wonder if you could parse arbitrary command through -o.. I'm not sure what arbitrary commands are available for apt-get to force it.. or it should be able in the very least parse that command to dpkg.. iinm apt-get is just dpkg frontend | 02:01 |
| psycho_oreos | what sort of errors? | 02:02 |
| ecksun | i used dpkg -i --force all | 02:02 |
| ecksun | as you described | 02:02 |
| ecksun | wel, none, kinda | 02:02 |
| ecksun | 1 sec | 02:02 |
| psycho_oreos | something is broken, you forced the install of mhd right? | 02:02 |
| * psycho_oreos hopes you didn't force some other thing | 02:02 | |
| ecksun | http://pastebin.com/DgQ8YhB4 | 02:02 |
| ecksun | yes i did | 02:02 |
| ecksun | well, i want wget :P | 02:03 |
| ecksun | exit status 2 doesnt say much, does it | 02:04 |
| psycho_oreos | I think I might know why, those were the deps but because you didn't install the deps it just installed the relevant stuff for it which made dpkg think that you have installed relevant deps but you haven't.. humm remove mhd and install deps first | 02:04 |
| ecksun | oki | 02:04 |
| psycho_oreos | apt-get install wget rescue-boot | 02:05 |
| psycho_oreos | then dpkg -i --force all /var/cache/apt/archives/modified-hildon-desktop_3.3_armel.deb | 02:05 |
| ecksun | mhm | 02:05 |
| ecksun | seems to work better | 02:06 |
| ecksun | wee, worked right away | 02:06 |
| ecksun | many thanks psycho_oreos | 02:06 |
| psycho_oreos | those deps were installed and ultimately dpkg complained less about it when forced to install mhd? | 02:06 |
| ecksun | exactly | 02:07 |
| psycho_oreos | ahhh! a sign of relief! nw.. time for someone to bug confirm and issue a fix :D | 02:07 |
| ecksun | indeed :) | 02:07 |
| ecksun | btw, which ones are the main developers for the cssu ? | 02:07 |
| ecksun | are you one of them ? :D | 02:07 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG is one | 02:07 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 02:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm just a lab rat/script monkey ;) | 02:08 |
| ecksun | yes, i have understood that :) (that mohammad is one, not that you arent= | 02:08 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:08 |
| ecksun | lab rat/script monkey | 02:08 |
| ecksun | i would have liked to have that on my CV | 02:08 |
| ecksun | would look nice | 02:08 |
| psycho_oreos | might even tell the potential employers you had specialties with zoo animals :) | 02:09 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:09 |
| ecksun | now there is just one problem | 02:09 |
| ecksun | what was I doing before i ran into the ctrl + backspace problem? | 02:09 |
| psycho_oreos | zapping little rats and hoping they won't die so you can keep zapping them/ teaching monkeys how to script so they can one day retaliate against homo-sapiens :D | 02:09 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:09 |
| psycho_oreos | not sure *scrolls up* | 02:10 |
| ecksun | nothing, apparently :) | 02:10 |
| psycho_oreos | sheehs :p | 02:10 |
| psycho_oreos | sheesh even | 02:10 |
| ecksun | btw psycho_oreos , big thanks to you, have managed to help me solove all my problems today :) | 02:11 |
| psycho_oreos | ecksun, no worries, hopefully you now have learned something new and can tell other users how to fix it in the future :) | 02:11 |
| ecksun | yes indeed | 02:11 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius && BCMM: updates? | 02:11 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: when HAM can be bothered | 02:12 |
| psycho_oreos | I swear I never knew it would turn out like this, I now have this train of thought is my wrong doing that caused you guys to have this :| | 02:12 |
| BCMM | damn, why do i keep doing that with highlights? | 02:13 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, you are still installing CSSU I suppose? | 02:13 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: HAM keeps saying "operation failed" | 02:13 |
| BCMM | so i'm retrying because i know it just does that sometimes | 02:13 |
| psycho_oreos | probably a good idea is to type the first few letters of the actual nick that you want to talk to and press tab :) | 02:13 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: yeah | 02:13 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, weird how it would say that hmm | 02:13 |
| BCMM | huh | 02:14 |
| BCMM | it keeps just ending up at the HAM main screen | 02:14 |
| psycho_oreos | operation failed could also mean somewhere or something is messed up/broken | 02:14 |
| psycho_oreos | what about the logs? anything useful? | 02:14 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: i expect there is just an apt-worker from a previous ham instance running | 02:15 |
| BCMM | that's usually what breaks it | 02:15 |
| BCMM | oh, there we go | 02:15 |
| BCMM | it did something | 02:15 |
| BCMM | i'd forgotten that it sometimes sits at it's main screen without a progress meter or anything | 02:15 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, it should be noted that when installing CSSU there is a bit of a lag after clicking on install file and after the actual enabling | 02:16 |
| ecksun | : | 02:17 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:17 |
| psycho_oreos | in my case I had load-applet showing 100% for ~20seconds iirc before it dived down. Sc0rpius mentioned he had 90% idle which meant the CPU was hardly used before the Community SSU enabler icon appeared | 02:17 |
| BCMM | would the category under which the enabler appears for catorise users by an appropriate addition to the wiki? | 02:17 |
| psycho_oreos | it'll be under All the last I checked :/ categorise doesn't know where to place it I think | 02:18 |
| BCMM | it put it in system for me | 02:18 |
| BCMM | ofc it's in all, everything is in All :) | 02:18 |
| psycho_oreos | I didn't see it in System lol, I could be just skimming things too quickly | 02:18 |
| psycho_oreos | that plus like I said, lots of apps | 02:19 |
| ecksun | could you list the same packages thats listed in HAM with apt? | 02:19 |
| psycho_oreos | so much apps that I had to get categorise-GUI from extras-devel and to sort some of it out.. some categories still requires scrolling :| | 02:19 |
| psycho_oreos | humm not sure, could check.. normally apt-cache would but they usually want a param | 02:20 |
| ecksun | yes, but apt-cache lists libs and stuff aswell, i was thinking only the stuff visible in the gui | 02:20 |
| psycho_oreos | sadly those plus categorising it would probably require one to do hack up some scripts | 02:21 |
| psycho_oreos | I personally think that's why they have that fancy apt-worker | 02:21 |
| ecksun | okay | 02:22 |
| ecksun | well, i have nothing against scripting, but i have no idea what to search for | 02:22 |
| psycho_oreos | ironically synaptic (another GUI apt-get like frontend) also does the same thing | 02:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | that's afaik, there might be some tools that may do it but I somewhat personally doubt it | 02:23 |
| ecksun | but isnt the separation of "real" applications and packages something maemo-specific? | 02:23 |
| ecksun | it has to be some sort of flag or something in the package meta-data | 02:23 |
| ecksun | perhaps sections: user ? | 02:24 |
| psycho_oreos | not sure what you mean by "real" applications... applications are all packages basically, even libraries, firmwares, et | 02:24 |
| psycho_oreos | etc* | 02:24 |
| ecksun | yes, i dont really know what ham considers "real" either, i was just refering to the ones that normally shows up in HAM | 02:25 |
| ecksun | libs etc are excluded | 02:25 |
| psycho_oreos | yes there are flags when you for example use dpkg -I file.deb. You see there's all these metadata tags.. It isn't maemo specific apart from the icon file embedding into tag | 02:26 |
| psycho_oreos | err metatag | 02:26 |
| ecksun | i see | 02:27 |
| psycho_oreos | << is seriously showing signs of fatigue lol... soon will be cringing on either coffee or even worse, sleep | 02:27 |
| ecksun | and i just realised i have no way of knowing how the guis behave, havent actually used one :) | 02:27 |
| ecksun | omg, no, SLEEP! | 02:27 |
| psycho_oreos | I need to stay awake however :) I managed to stay awake overnight by drinking that big cup of long black a few hours before midnight (bad mistake but oh well) | 02:28 |
| ecksun | timezones are confusing :P | 02:29 |
| ecksun | its just over midnight here | 02:29 |
| psycho_oreos | http://pastebin.com/EeLXvVHh <-- if you're that keen :) this is dpkg -I output of a random dpkg file I found on my xubuntu | 02:29 |
| psycho_oreos | Sun Jan 30 10:29:31 EST 2011 | 02:29 |
| ecksun | 0130 012937 < psycho_oreos> Sun Jan 30 10:29:31 EST 2011 | 02:29 |
| ecksun | yes, when i did the same thing with apt-cache i say Section: user/something | 02:30 |
| psycho_oreos | 1:30 am and I don't know what the remaining stuff are :) | 02:30 |
| ecksun | if i recall thats somewhat related | 02:30 |
| ecksun | 0130 is the date | 02:30 |
| psycho_oreos | that would be yes | 02:30 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 02:30 |
| ecksun | 01-30 01:29:37 | 02:30 |
| psycho_oreos | 01:29:37 | 02:30 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah | 02:30 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 02:30 |
| ecksun | needed a small timestamp when i used my p990 | 02:30 |
| ecksun | : | 02:30 |
| ecksun | :;) | 02:30 |
| ecksun | pofajsdpo fjas | 02:31 |
| psycho_oreos | you must be getting tired too hahahahaha | 02:31 |
| ecksun | kinda, have been trying to figure out programing contest questions all day | 02:31 |
| psycho_oreos | oooh.. it was such a bitter fight till the very end | 02:31 |
| ecksun | you wouldnt know the diffrence between bt-hid-scripts and bit-hid-scripts2? | 02:31 |
| psycho_oreos | machines=1 humans=0 | 02:31 |
| psycho_oreos | nope | 02:32 |
| psycho_oreos | bluetooth HID scripts? | 02:32 |
| ecksun | yes, i guess | 02:32 |
| ecksun | but the descriptions are the same | 02:32 |
| psycho_oreos | that was a really wild guess lol | 02:32 |
| psycho_oreos | despite different filenames | 02:32 |
| ecksun | it seems bt-hid-scripts is a newer version | 02:33 |
| ecksun | make sense :/ | 02:33 |
| psycho_oreos | lol seems like Sc0rpius is dead, he must have relegated his role to bedtime | 02:33 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:33 |
| psycho_oreos | :D | 02:33 |
| psycho_oreos | and BCMM is hanging there but must be wearing out too | 02:34 |
| psycho_oreos | :D | 02:34 |
| BCMM | ? | 02:34 |
| psycho_oreos | << probably starting to get hallucinated | 02:34 |
| BCMM | update worked here | 02:34 |
| psycho_oreos | ooh so you're actually alive! lol | 02:35 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: yeah, just got sidetracked while i was waiting for the reboot | 02:35 |
| psycho_oreos | it almost seemed like a two way conversation between me and ecksun | 02:35 |
| BCMM | alt-tab works fine too | 02:35 |
| psycho_oreos | BCMM, without installing mhd or installing mhd as what ecksun did? | 02:35 |
| BCMM | i did "apt-get remove modified-hildon-desktop" | 02:35 |
| psycho_oreos | but you didn't install afterwards? | 02:36 |
| BCMM | apt-get actually exited with an error part-way | 02:36 |
| BCMM | but i think that's because the hooks for updating menu entries can't work without hildon-desktop running? | 02:36 |
| psycho_oreos | might be due to conficting files | 02:36 |
| BCMM | (which had stopped) | 02:36 |
| psycho_oreos | conflicting even | 02:36 |
| BCMM | luckily, i was logged on by ssh, so i just started hildon-desktop manually and tried again | 02:36 |
| BCMM | and it worked fine | 02:36 |
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| BCMM | now is just need some email | 02:37 |
| psycho_oreos | not sure, I guess it has to do with schemas which initially was overwritten because the same files existed in the hildon-desktop and removing mhd would remove the same files to be used by hildon-desktop | 02:37 |
| BCMM | s/is/i/ | 02:37 |
| psycho_oreos | yup always handy to have alternative ways of accessing :) at least we're not dealing with complete newbies here :D | 02:38 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd get massive heart attack if you guys panicked and asked for step-by-step howto lol :D | 02:38 |
| psycho_oreos | now whilst you guys have CSSU installed, do you guys also face the same issue as I do? random crashes? | 02:40 |
| ecksun | not yet | 02:40 |
| ecksun | and I have had HAM open for quite a while now | 02:40 |
| ecksun | however I just noticed gnome wants to sync something with my phone | 02:40 |
| ecksun | what did i just sync? :D | 02:41 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm hoping I'm the only one sort of, because I also convinced you guys to get CSSU :p | 02:41 |
| psycho_oreos | lol, its all automatic ;) | 02:41 |
| ecksun | you did? | 02:41 |
| ecksun | yeah, way to convinient | 02:41 |
| psycho_oreos | sort of :p | 02:41 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 02:41 |
| ecksun | : | 02:42 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:42 |
| ecksun | Im used to hacking in hours to get something like that working | 02:42 |
| ecksun | but it would have been nice to know what happened | 02:42 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't mind hacking away as well when I'm in the mood.. but I'm not sure exactly what happened.. and it gives me big grief that I must act like the techs at Apple,"We don't know what happened, but it now works like magic." | 02:44 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:44 |
| ecksun | oh, those bt scripts were the exact oposite of what i wanted, I wanted the n900 to become a hid, not to connect hids to it | 02:44 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 02:44 |
| psycho_oreos | the scripts wanted to enslave the n900 | 02:45 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh well it sounds all good that you guys are now enjoying CSSU, or so I hope | 02:47 |
| ecksun | yes indeed, however I havent noticed anything different | 02:47 |
| * psycho_oreos now thinks of collecting brownie points to show off to Jaffa lmao | 02:47 | |
| ecksun | except ctrl + backspace that is | 02:47 |
| ecksun | :D | 02:47 |
| psycho_oreos | << is definitely becoming a resident nutcase at this rate.. probably the aftermath of caffeine | 02:48 |
| ecksun | but you only have 14 hours to go till bedtime | 02:49 |
| psycho_oreos | not quite, 10 hours to be precise | 02:49 |
| psycho_oreos | gotta make sure I keep a nice and good sleep habit for work even though I'm more of a night owl | 02:50 |
| ecksun | ah, then whats the problem? | 02:50 |
| psycho_oreos | gotta keep good sleeping habits (insanely hard when night owl seems to be more fun) irregular sleep patterns and well yeah, general caffeine usage.. I guess I could use this caffeine as an excuse to correct my body clock then | 02:51 |
| ecksun | it was long ago I gave up on good sleeping habits | 02:52 |
| psycho_oreos | then again I probably won't last without another shot of caffeine | 02:52 |
| psycho_oreos | lol I tried to give up good sleeping habits but work prohibits me and plus because I don't work in my ideal/dream job as yet I can't really ask for shift change.. just prefer to have it in the morning and get it over and done with | 02:53 |
| ecksun | yes, indeed | 02:54 |
| ecksun | but currently Im studying, and fortunatley most lectures begin after lunch | 02:54 |
| ecksun | i have no idea how to spell that :/ | 02:54 |
| psycho_oreos | fortunately | 02:55 |
| psycho_oreos | lol I have aspell with this xubuntu :D rather handy at times | 02:55 |
| ecksun | lol | 02:55 |
| ecksun | xun@njord:~$ man aslepp | 02:55 |
| ecksun | No manual entry for aslepp | 02:55 |
| psycho_oreos | man woman | 02:56 |
| psycho_oreos | :D | 02:56 |
| ecksun | nope, doesnt work :( | 02:56 |
| psycho_oreos | s2167028@Shrike:/var/cache/apt/archives$ man woman | 02:56 |
| psycho_oreos | No manual entry for woman | 02:56 |
| psycho_oreos | sadly there's no manual pages on how to treat one lol | 02:57 |
| ecksun | the world would be so much simpler | 02:57 |
| psycho_oreos | if we're all unisex? :D | 02:57 |
| ecksun | perhaps | 02:57 |
| ecksun | interesting idea | 02:58 |
| ecksun | just think of the space it would save, no need for separate public bathrooms | 02:58 |
| psycho_oreos | not really lol, where's the fun in that when we can spawn like viruses :D | 02:58 |
| ecksun | :) | 02:59 |
| psycho_oreos | ironically if we were all unisex we'd make this redundant: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_my5OGIJd4kM/Ser5SfM5uCI/AAAAAAAAEwo/aa3M4BJNMdA/s400/unix-is-sexy.jpg | 02:59 |
| psycho_oreos | I love that binary clock :D | 03:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | and.. on that note I am seriously considering another shot of coffee.. nitro! | 03:45 |
| Sc0rpius | ok I found something else that's weir | 04:07 |
| Sc0rpius | weird | 04:07 |
| Sc0rpius | when I click on a desktop web bookmark, it opens two windows: Web (the one with all the bookmarks) and the website from the bookmark | 04:07 |
| Sc0rpius | and that's really annoying, am I the only one? | 04:07 |
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| ecksun | yes, i can confirm that | 04:11 |
| ecksun | however only if you doesnt have the bookmark window open alreaedy | 04:11 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah | 04:12 |
| Sc0rpius | too bad :( | 04:12 |
| ecksun | bug report! :) | 04:12 |
| Sc0rpius | ecksun are you still using SSU hildon-desktop? | 04:18 |
| Sc0rpius | 'cos I just read something like: | 04:18 |
| Sc0rpius | gconf-schemas --register hildon-desktop-keys.schemas | 04:18 |
| Sc0rpius | and reboot | 04:18 |
| Sc0rpius | I'll try it | 04:18 |
| psycho_oreos | oh he was hiding from me :p | 04:19 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 04:19 |
| Sc0rpius | who? | 04:19 |
| psycho_oreos | you lol ;) | 04:19 |
| Sc0rpius | oh I was watching a VERY BAD MOVIE called "Monsters" | 04:19 |
| psycho_oreos | I thought you were dead, relegated yerself to the bed :D | 04:19 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 04:19 |
| Sc0rpius | well, I wanted to die while I was watching that | 04:20 |
| psycho_oreos | sounds interesting | 04:20 |
| Sc0rpius | ok I'm back to SSU hildon-desktop | 04:20 |
| psycho_oreos | almost reminds me of grave of the fireflies | 04:20 |
| Sc0rpius | now let's try gconf-schemas --register | 04:21 |
| Sc0rpius | now kill -SIGHUP | 04:21 |
| Sc0rpius | now testing | 04:21 |
| Sc0rpius | and it works | 04:22 |
| psycho_oreos | if that doesn't work try what ecksun and BCMM did, installing mhd ontop lol | 04:22 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 04:22 |
| Sc0rpius | can you try guys try it? | 04:22 |
| psycho_oreos | that might even be a smaller fix | 04:22 |
| psycho_oreos | err shorter way to fixing it | 04:22 |
| Sc0rpius | well I had my own version of hildon-desktop so I replaced it, but I found this workaround | 04:22 |
| ecksun | Sc0rpius, no, Im not, thats true | 04:23 |
| Sc0rpius | and I replaced the original hildon-desktop, and I can see it works | 04:23 |
| ecksun | Sc0rpius, i mean im not using the community ssu hildon-desktop anymore | 04:23 |
| Sc0rpius | now I can test the hildon-desktop from CSSU (I couldn't live without ctrl-backspace) | 04:23 |
| Sc0rpius | ok | 04:23 |
| Sc0rpius | well you can use it now | 04:23 |
| ecksun | what what | 04:23 |
| ecksun | how about ctrl + backspace then? | 04:24 |
| Sc0rpius | none of the keys worked, not only ctrl-backspace, also ctrl p (screenhot) | 04:24 |
| Sc0rpius | it works now | 04:24 |
| BCMM | assuming CSSU uses the same alt-tab patches as MHD, then if alt-tab doesn't work, you simply need to set some gconf settings | 04:24 |
| ecksun | whats changed? | 04:24 |
| Sc0rpius | with: gconf-schemas --register hildon-desktop-keys.schemas | 04:24 |
| Sc0rpius | I registered the file | 04:24 |
| ecksun | oh, i see | 04:24 |
| Sc0rpius | I read it in the bug report of ctrl+p (screenshot), same problem, different key | 04:24 |
| ecksun | ah | 04:24 |
| BCMM | i haven't seen any docs for CSSU's hildon-desktop, so i suggest you consult the MHD docs | 04:24 |
| Sc0rpius | ? | 04:25 |
| Sc0rpius | (I don't use MHD) | 04:25 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah he has custom hildon-desktop :) | 04:25 |
| Sc0rpius | yup, I compiled it myself :) | 04:26 |
| Sc0rpius | but right now I'm using (testing?) hildon-desktop from CSSU | 04:26 |
| psycho_oreos | I guess I'm up for the challenge, *goes to purging mhd* and reinstalls hildon-desktop from CSSU to see if he can replicate the issue that was once faced by all three | 04:27 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah and after you face the bug, fix it with gconf-schemas | 04:30 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 04:30 |
| Sc0rpius | I filed the desktop shortcut bug, since it's really annoying | 04:32 |
| psycho_oreos | seems like what I just said I did made no effects lol | 04:38 |
| psycho_oreos | s/effects/effect/ | 04:38 |
| psycho_oreos | I still could alt tab even after purging modified-hildon-desktop and reinstalled hildon-desktop | 04:39 |
| psycho_oreos | seems like I need to force install older version of hildon-desktop (i.e. pre-CSSU version) | 04:39 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe your file is already registered | 04:45 |
| Sc0rpius | W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 Release (expected fremantle-1.2 but got ) | 04:45 |
| psycho_oreos | lol that wasn't helpful that output, seems like it has problems with own detection | 04:46 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm I'll just have to give it all a try, gonna force downgrade and remove community-pr | 04:47 |
| Sc0rpius | in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 04:48 |
| Sc0rpius | extras-devel says fremantle or fremantle-1.2? | 04:48 |
| Sc0rpius | this is what I got and it's getting errors now: | 04:48 |
| Sc0rpius | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free | 04:48 |
| Sc0rpius | I think it should say fremantle lemme try that | 04:49 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't have extras-devel enabled but my extras points to fremantle-1.3 | 04:49 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 04:51 |
| psycho_oreos | I mean I have the entry in HAM but its not enabled | 04:51 |
| psycho_oreos | ok lmao I broke alt tab.. yay! I'm such a lunatic! | 04:52 |
| psycho_oreos | now I'm going to get that back | 04:52 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm sure with extras-devel I didn't specifically specify fremantle-1.3 I just specified fremantle | 04:54 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah that fixed it | 04:54 |
| Sc0rpius | it's weird 'cos it has been working fine all this time | 04:55 |
| Sc0rpius | and last time I used it was last week | 04:55 |
| Sc0rpius | well.. | 04:55 |
| psycho_oreos | yup reinstalled it actually did nothing with alt tabbing, its still broken | 04:55 |
| Sc0rpius | alt tabbing you mean ctrl backspace? | 04:56 |
| psycho_oreos | correct | 04:56 |
| Sc0rpius | ok now | 04:56 |
| Sc0rpius | gconf-schemas --register hildon-desktop-keys.schemas | 04:56 |
| Sc0rpius | and then kill -SIGHUP the pids of hildon-desktop | 04:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm sure Ctrl + Shift + X,P, etc won't work as well but just for the sake of it I'll do that | 04:56 |
| Sc0rpius | nah they won't | 04:56 |
| psycho_oreos | fyi in between reinstalling hildon-desktop from nokia's repository and installing mp-fremantle-community-pr which ultimately reinstalled hildon-desktop I also did that kill -SIGHUP `pidof hildon-desktop` to experiment | 04:57 |
| psycho_oreos | sadly those other key bindings do work except for alt tabbing | 04:59 |
| psycho_oreos | I now also have a screenshot of my messed up desktop lmao :) I normally have 9 home screens. After downgrading hildon-desktop I now only have 4 | 05:00 |
| psycho_oreos | yup the functionality of alt tab is restored | 05:02 |
| Sc0rpius | good | 05:03 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm dealing with the autoremover that is not letting me install anything | 05:03 |
| psycho_oreos | autoremover? | 05:03 |
| Sc0rpius | apt-get autoremove | 05:03 |
| Sc0rpius | when I try to install something with faster application manager (fapman) | 05:03 |
| Sc0rpius | it shows me an error that the autoremover failed | 05:03 |
| psycho_oreos | I think autoremove only removes stuff that has been installed | 05:04 |
| Sc0rpius | (it always try autoremove before installing anything) | 05:04 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah | 05:04 |
| Sc0rpius | but since it's executed everytime you try to install something... | 05:04 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm a litle wierd | 05:05 |
| psycho_oreos | s/wierd/weird/ | 05:05 |
| Sc0rpius | it's working now | 05:05 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe some other package wasn't cleanly installed hence the fall over? | 05:05 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 05:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | have you ever had 9 desktops enabled with icons and widgets on some/most of them? | 05:09 |
| psycho_oreos | err.. nokia coins them as home screens | 05:10 |
| Sc0rpius | heh no I just use 4 desktops | 05:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol if you ever do and you had to downgrade hildon-desktop, better use something like activity manager and backup yer settings or you get a messy home screen :) | 05:13 |
| psycho_oreos | http://imagebin.org/135123 <-- ftw :p | 05:18 |
| BCMM | psycho_oreos: heh, nice | 05:21 |
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| Sc0rpius | wow you have too many widgets | 05:23 |
| Sc0rpius | even if they are spawned in 9 desktops! | 05:23 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius, that's how I torture hildon-desktop :) | 05:24 |
| Sc0rpius | what are all those white circles in the systray? | 05:24 |
| Sc0rpius | and do you use a japanese IDE or something? now that's weird | 05:25 |
| psycho_oreos | far left? that's binary clock :) | 05:26 |
| Sc0rpius | hahaha now that's nerd | 05:26 |
| Sc0rpius | lemme see if I can figure it out hmmm | 05:26 |
| psycho_oreos | advanced clock thingy I think its called | 05:26 |
| psycho_oreos | the chinese word on the far right and bottom of the `systray' is stroke order, allows me to input chinese characters, albeit a little poorly as its aimed for Cantonese rather than Chinese imo | 05:27 |
| Sc0rpius | 12:58:17 ? | 05:28 |
| Sc0rpius | I've heard cantonese and mandarin are only different in pronunciation, the writing is the same and only two: simplified chinese, traditional chinese | 05:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius, yup | 05:29 |
| Sc0rpius | if that's the time, it took me like 5 minutes to read it, so it wouldn't be precise for me hehe | 05:29 |
| Sc0rpius | so do you speak mandarin or somethine? | 05:30 |
| Sc0rpius | something | 05:30 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah Cantonese has like 6 different tones from what I've heard as opposed to 4 for Chinese. Cantonese people and Taiwanese people tends to prefer writing in traditional chinese whereas in China they are trying to adopt simplified chinese. However the stroke order software when I tried inputting the correct stroke order for `I' doesn't turn up right | 05:30 |
| Sc0rpius | traditional chinese is way too hard to write | 05:31 |
| psycho_oreos | it takes patience, practise and persistence to get used to reading binary clock :) I was more or less the same but I'm getting better slowly :) | 05:31 |
| psycho_oreos | mandarin is my main language even though I suck at it ._." | 05:31 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe you left China too young heh | 05:32 |
| psycho_oreos | and yeah I write mostly in traditional mandarin, I can't really understand much of simplified chinese | 05:32 |
| psycho_oreos | s/China/Taiwan/ :) | 05:32 |
| psycho_oreos | parent's choice, oh well | 05:32 |
| Sc0rpius | oh ok | 05:32 |
| Sc0rpius | I see | 05:32 |
| psycho_oreos | and I also know bit of Japanese as well lol | 05:33 |
| psycho_oreos | too bad maemo doesn't really support Japanese well so again bit of let down but meh | 05:33 |
| wmarone | it supports it ok, but it requires a little too much hacking :/ | 05:33 |
| psycho_oreos | Japanese? there's ime for that? | 05:34 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 05:34 |
| wmarone | sorta | 05:34 |
| psycho_oreos | that's news to me, I've only seen cantonese and chinese UI, never seen Japanese UI | 05:34 |
| psycho_oreos | and those cantonese as well as chinese UI are in extras-devel | 05:34 |
| wmarone | kimitake ported a separate version of mscim | 05:35 |
| wmarone | and added anthy | 05:35 |
| psycho_oreos | anthy? nice :D | 05:35 |
| wmarone | there's no japanese language file though | 05:35 |
| psycho_oreos | anthy is the one I use on my xubuntu desktop + scim | 05:35 |
| wmarone | yeah | 05:35 |
| psycho_oreos | as in no UI for it? | 05:35 |
| psycho_oreos | :| | 05:35 |
| wmarone | well | 05:35 |
| wmarone | no global japanese text | 05:35 |
| wmarone | the input works in two ways depending on your setup | 05:36 |
| wmarone | either via the VKB input if the GTK_IM_MODULE isn't set | 05:36 |
| wmarone | or directly by hitting ctrl+space (if configured) | 05:36 |
| wmarone | if it is | 05:36 |
| psycho_oreos | interesting I guess Ill need to poke at those. I really want to install these stuff and see how well they work :D | 05:36 |
| psycho_oreos | s/Ill/I'll/ | 05:37 |
| wmarone | the japanese one works quite well, but isn't compatible with most of the chinese ones due to the mscim conflict | 05:37 |
| wmarone | and the Qt connection isn't perfect | 05:37 |
| wmarone | i'd love to see them merged and cleaned up, but I don't know enough about the projects in quesiton | 05:37 |
| wmarone | question* | 05:37 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I guess overlapping use of characters.. granted there are Japanese kanji that means the same in Chinese hanji but not all fo them | 05:38 |
| psycho_oreos | s/fo/of/ | 05:38 |
| wmarone | well, not overlapping use of characters | 05:38 |
| wmarone | the software packages directly conflict | 05:38 |
| psycho_oreos | :o | 05:38 |
| wmarone | I'm sure anthy and the chinese modules could all be made to work with the same mscim, like they do on desktop Linux installs | 05:38 |
| psycho_oreos | all the more merrier reasons as to why I should get my head around those | 05:39 |
| psycho_oreos | wmarone, thanks for the input I'm gonna poke around those I hope after I finish re-setting up my home screens lol and making sure I backed them up | 05:41 |
| wmarone | cool | 05:41 |
| wmarone | have fun | 05:41 |
| psycho_oreos | wmarone, I probably won't lol ;) | 05:41 |
| wmarone | heh | 05:42 |
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| ScorpiusN900 | hmm | 05:48 |
| ScorpiusN900 | aren't you guys noticing a battery drain? | 05:48 |
| ScorpiusN900 | and Xorg above 2% of CPU use | 05:49 |
| * psycho_oreos has the device plugged to the computer.. also running rd mode as well | 05:49 | |
| ScorpiusN900 | hmm | 05:50 |
| psycho_oreos | soon enough I'll know if its bad once I take it into real test environment :) | 05:50 |
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| ZogG | suddenly i see more people over here =) | 06:09 |
| psycho_oreos | more people are being invited to test, plus they wanted those bug fixes so its pretty much a win:win situation here :D | 06:11 |
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| ScorpiusN900 | well... | 06:27 |
| ScorpiusN900 | it seems the only bug I can find right now is the desktop shortcut bug | 06:27 |
| psycho_oreos | interesting, I guess I'll have a poke at that once I get the mscim stuff going, plus messing around with locales | 06:36 |
| ScorpiusN900 | are you a developer psycho? | 06:39 |
| psycho_oreos | wmarone, I didn't quite find the japanese equivalent to the UI locales I mean chinese has their own UI locales but one as yet for japanese such as App menu, ham, etc | 06:40 |
| psycho_oreos | ScorpiusN900, no, just a lab rat/script monkey | 06:40 |
| Sc0rpius | I see | 06:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius, got a handle for bugs and source for that fix? neither of those are mandatory as I'm simply noting credits and sources to you instead for the temporary workaround on that hildon-desktop bug | 06:54 |
| ScorpiusN900 | in the open bugs | 06:56 |
| ScorpiusN900 | look for the ctrl shift p bug | 06:56 |
| ScorpiusN900 | I read all the comments and then I realized is the same problem and I applied the same workaround they put there | 06:57 |
| psycho_oreos | no no I meant for the ctrl+backspace bug, I'm going to add you as credits for the temporary workaround solution :) | 06:57 |
| psycho_oreos | the same as for ctrl+backspace? o.O | 06:57 |
| ScorpiusN900 | well I ripped it off from the workaround for the ctrl shift p bug hehheh | 06:57 |
| ScorpiusN900 | since it's the same bug, applies for all hildon-desktop key shortcuts | 06:58 |
| ScorpiusN900 | a developer has the credit for that | 06:58 |
| ScorpiusN900 | I think I have battery drain but not sure | 06:59 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh I see | 06:59 |
| ScorpiusN900 | maybe I've been using the phone today too much | 06:59 |
| ScorpiusN900 | but it's already on half | 06:59 |
| psycho_oreos | it'll be harder for me to measure how much extra usage I'll be copping due to all these new stuff I've just installed :) in some ways I don't think the excess battery consumption is related to CSSU but then again its hard to say when I haven't done my own homework | 07:01 |
| ScorpiusN900 | yeah | 07:02 |
| psycho_oreos | hahaha woot, Chinese (zh-TW) now I'm going to be bashing my head in because I won't know much of Chinese | 07:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | wmarone, what I meant was something more like N900-il8n-jp_JP. There's ones for bg_BG, ca_ES, el_GR, hu_HU, km_KH, ko_KR, pt-br, zh_CN, zh_HK, zh_TW ironically but no japanese. I wonder why :D | 07:31 |
| wmarone | ah | 07:58 |
| wmarone | no idea | 07:58 |
| wmarone | not too many Japanese N900 users I suspect, the device isn't even being sold in the country | 07:59 |
| * psycho_oreos snickers at the potential thought that maybe they frown on inferior device | 07:59 | |
| psycho_oreos | though I do recall it was being demoed | 07:59 |
| wmarone | nah | 07:59 |
| wmarone | it's basically better than every existing device | 08:00 |
| wmarone | well | 08:00 |
| wmarone | software wise | 08:00 |
| wmarone | integration with the existing Japanese systems is nonexistent though | 08:00 |
| wmarone | I think it gives users more capability than Softbank or DoCoMo are willing to ever permit | 08:00 |
| wmarone | (despite working perfectly on their networks) | 08:01 |
| * psycho_oreos goes to find that blog lol | 08:03 | |
| wmarone | every japanese handset is locked down hard, so the hardcore linux geeks over there do like the N900 | 08:03 |
| wmarone | where is it... | 08:04 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah they don't have SIM cards, they're a little like the mobile phones sold over at stateside, using cdma or whatever :) | 08:04 |
| wmarone | no they do | 08:04 |
| wmarone | Softbank is all GSM | 08:05 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 08:05 |
| wmarone | DoCoMo's fOma network is 3.5G | 08:05 |
| wmarone | that's why Softbank has the iPhone | 08:05 |
| psycho_oreos | still its weird even with small amounts of users they won't make themselves comfortable with the maemo interface :) | 08:07 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. they are willing to put up with the English UI | 08:08 |
| wmarone | well, computing is so full of English they're used to it | 08:09 |
| wmarone | especially something otherwise completely unavailable | 08:09 |
| psycho_oreos | not so much for other asian countries I bet :) koreans, chinese (people from china of course) seems to incorporate their own il8n rather than putting up with English :) | 08:10 |
| psycho_oreos | then again I don't even know if such devices were sold there | 08:10 |
| wmarone | the device was at least sold into China | 08:11 |
| psycho_oreos | and its quite a shame really for no il8n jp_JP support until someone ports it :/ | 08:11 |
| psycho_oreos | the device was made in Korea :) I bet they would have sold it as well | 08:11 |
| wmarone | depends | 08:12 |
| wmarone | the korean market is really strange | 08:13 |
| wmarone | and probably yet another place where the power given to end users is more than they would permit | 08:13 |
| psycho_oreos | http://blog.livedoor.jp/momoyan0306/archives/1093739.html <-- :D | 08:13 |
| wmarone | yeah | 08:13 |
| psycho_oreos | then again korea is a booming area, they plan to compete against the japanese | 08:14 |
| wmarone | so does everyone | 08:14 |
| wmarone | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19212523/20100813_001.jpg | 08:14 |
| psycho_oreos | lol @ pic | 08:15 |
| wmarone | yeah | 08:16 |
| psycho_oreos | they're definitely into it | 08:16 |
| wmarone | saw that back in august | 08:16 |
| psycho_oreos | you found the locales for ja_JP? | 08:20 |
| wmarone | no | 08:22 |
| wmarone | the cafe | 08:22 |
| psycho_oreos | er I mean the locale this time round :) I've found an old copy that I suppose I could have a poke :) | 08:22 |
| psycho_oreos | http://momoyan0306.web.fc2.com/n900/n900-locales-extras-jajp_20100115-r294_all.deb <--- :D | 08:24 |
| wmarone | ++ | 08:25 |
| psycho_oreos | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.livedoor.jp%2Fmomoyan0306%2Farchives%2F1093739.html | 08:25 |
| psycho_oreos | that's the translated page of the author's | 08:25 |
| wmarone | I can read it :) | 08:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | wmarone, ping | 09:29 |
| wmarone | yes? | 09:44 |
| * wmarone is messing with OpenWRT at the moment | 09:44 | |
| psycho_oreos | wmarone, oh I thought you were checking out that file, maybe not, you might have already installed it, etc lol | 09:46 |
| psycho_oreos | oh well | 09:46 |
| wmarone | nah, I just replaced my wifi router and loaded openwrt on it | 09:46 |
| wmarone | so I'm playing around with options and configuring it | 09:46 |
| wmarone | much better than dd-wrt | 09:47 |
| psycho_oreos | and one probably won't need to worry about licensing too when it comes to openwrt | 09:48 |
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| Mvpbilly | anybody here? | 10:20 |
| psycho_oreos | yes | 10:23 |
| Mvpbilly | anybody here? | 10:24 |
| Mvpbilly | ? | 10:24 |
| psycho_oreos | that's twice you repeated the exact same question | 10:24 |
| Mvpbilly | what is this ssu update? | 10:25 |
| psycho_oreos | its a community based SSU, made by community for the community | 10:25 |
| Mvpbilly | still dont get it | 10:29 |
| Mvpbilly | sorry.. noob here =) | 10:29 |
| psycho_oreos | probably not suitable for you then ;) its where bug fixes that were meant to be normally provided by nokia but they didn't deliver and hence the devs in the community (as n the maemo.org) fixes it and gives affected users with a fixed version instead | 10:32 |
| psycho_oreos | all the core nokia packages such as hildon-application-manager, hildon-desktop, hildon-statusbar-menu, etc, etc | 10:32 |
| Mvpbilly | nice.. | 10:37 |
| Mvpbilly | have u installed it? | 10:37 |
| psycho_oreos | yes | 10:39 |
| Mvpbilly | how is it? | 10:39 |
| psycho_oreos | some things work somethings don't, I haven't bothered checking every other thing because I don't use other fixed applications much and wouldn't have a clue about the listed patched bug | 10:40 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
| psycho_oreos | hello Jaffa :) | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Someone needs to clean up the dupes of bug #11813 (and we need MohammadAG to push the fix :-)) | 10:46 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11813 Screenshot with Ctrl + Shift + P broken | 10:46 |
| psycho_oreos | sadly he isn't here | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=Maemo%205%20Community%20SSU&classification=Extras | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | Bug #11827 and #11828 are both dupe of #11813, and there's a workaround on there | 10:49 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11827 Ctrl + backspace doesn't work | 10:49 |
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| MohammadAG | morning all | 12:34 |
| Venemo | morning | 12:39 |
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| th3hate | morning mag | 13:03 |
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| merlin1991 | holy crap, this channel got crowded | 15:16 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: You're a popular man :) | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: A few good bug reports already. A few dupes of bug #11813 | 16:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11813 Screenshot with Ctrl + Shift + P broken | 16:27 |
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| ZogG | it's the most wierdest thing | 17:24 |
| ZogG | Jaffa, ctrl+shft+p does work for me | 17:30 |
| merlin1991 | for me it works too, but I reregistered the gconf schema, since I had no shortcuts at all after installing the cssu | 17:31 |
| ZogG | i didn't do anything actually =) | 17:34 |
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| Sc0rpius | how many people were in this channel before? | 17:52 |
| Sc0rpius | everybody says it's crowded now | 17:52 |
| merlin1991 | 10- 15 | 17:53 |
| Sc0rpius | keys were broken for me, but after a registering of the schema and a kill -SIGHUP they started working | 17:53 |
| Sc0rpius | oh I see | 17:53 |
| Sc0rpius | Max Users Record in #maemo-ssu: 33 on Sun Jan 30 07:26:51 2011 | 17:53 |
| Sc0rpius | but what annoys me the most, is the bug in desktop shortcuts :( | 17:54 |
| merlin1991 | do they work again for you, or are they still dead | 17:54 |
| Sc0rpius | keys? they work | 17:56 |
| Sc0rpius | but the installer should do the schema registering for you if you don't want 300 people in this channel | 17:56 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 17:56 |
| merlin1991 | lemme grep my logs, I'm pretty sure Mohamad added that like week ago | 17:57 |
| Sc0rpius | nice, then it only needs to be pushed | 17:58 |
| Sc0rpius | 'cos I downloaded CSSU yesterday | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | probably only needs to be pushed | 17:59 |
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| Sc0rpius | now... | 18:02 |
| Sc0rpius | isn't very weird the bug when you click a desktop shortcut? | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | what do you mean? | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: The "Web" window and the browser itself? | 18:07 |
| Sc0rpius | yes | 18:07 |
| Sc0rpius | that one | 18:07 |
| Sc0rpius | it opens two browser windows instead of one | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: I suspect DBus monitoring a clean PR1.3 and the CSSU one might reveal it | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Well, for me I get the window as if I'd launched Web directly; and the browser opening to the window in question | 18:08 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah that's what I get | 18:11 |
| Sc0rpius | but the windows focused is always the "Web" one | 18:11 |
| Sc0rpius | it wouldn't be less annoying if at least the other one would be focused :P | 18:11 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway I think this project is great | 18:12 |
| Sc0rpius | somehow my Modest feels lighter, and faster | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | Is there a chanop around? | 18:13 |
| * Jaffa suggests: /topic http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU - release early, release often || FIX FOR DESKTOP SHORTCUTS: https://bugs.maemo.org/11813 | 18:13 | |
| povbot | Bug 11813: Screenshot with Ctrl + Shift + P broken | 18:13 |
| Sc0rpius | so | 18:15 |
| Sc0rpius | Mohammad is the only developer working on this project? | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Not exactly. | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: thp and I have both submitted merge requests in gitorious | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Currently Mohammad is the only coordinator | 18:20 |
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| Sc0rpius | I see | 18:23 |
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| Sc0rpius | ok I think the problem is | 20:09 |
| Sc0rpius | method call sender=:1.118 -> dest=com.nokia.osso_browser serial=212 path=/com/nokia/osso_browser; interface=com.nokia.osso_browser; member=top_application | 20:09 |
| Sc0rpius | why is it calling the top_application member? that would just bring the bookmark window up and that's exactly what we don't wnat | 20:09 |
| Sc0rpius | if you issue: | 20:09 |
| Sc0rpius | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.top_application | 20:10 |
| Sc0rpius | you'll get the Web window | 20:10 |
| Sc0rpius | the weird thing is that hd-bookmark-shortcut.c looks right to me | 20:10 |
| * Sc0rpius digs a little more | 20:10 | |
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| Sc0rpius | 425 | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | hd_bookmark_shortcut_activate_service (priv->url); | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | 426 | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | that hd_utils_launch_task I guess it shouldn't be there | 20:12 |
| Sc0rpius | I'll try it later without that line to see if it fixes my problem, in my head, it shouldn't be there | 20:12 |
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| Sc0rpius | I think I fixed it | 21:10 |
| Sc0rpius | at least in scratchbox | 21:10 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm gonna try it in my N900 | 21:10 |
| Sc0rpius | and it's done. | 21:15 |
| Sc0rpius | well I fixed that hildon-home and updated the bug case so a developer can confirm and push my proposed patch or something | 21:20 |
| Sc0rpius | in the meantime I couldn't live with two browsers opened all the time I tapped a shortcut | 21:20 |
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| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Have you got a gitorious account? | 21:34 |
| Sc0rpius | no I don't think so | 21:43 |
| Sc0rpius | but I've cloned the whole project :) | 21:43 |
| Sc0rpius | in my scratchbox | 21:43 |
| Sc0rpius | that way I can fix things I can't live without while I wait the developers for official patches :) | 21:44 |
| pillar | is there some wiki page explaining the updates? | 21:45 |
| andre__ | pillar, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 21:45 |
| Sc0rpius | the wiki in the topic? | 21:45 |
| Sc0rpius | there's a changelog link in there | 21:45 |
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| pillar | yeah thanks, found the changelog link now too | 21:46 |
| Sc0rpius | I really like this, and I insisit, my Modest feels faster | 21:46 |
| pillar | yeha I like this a lot too, hope it takes off | 21:49 |
| Sc0rpius | it will, since we have no other option | 21:49 |
| Sc0rpius | PR1.4 will never happen, Nokia already abandoned us | 21:49 |
| Sc0rpius | I hope if this gets big enough, Nokia will open the stuff is still closed | 21:49 |
| andre__ | Sc0rpius, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=784443&postcount=32 | 21:51 |
| Sc0rpius | let's see | 21:52 |
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| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Best way of getting patch merged: get a gitorious.org account (free); clone the community-ssu/hildon-home repo to your personal gitorious.org space. `git push' your fix there and make a "merge request" | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Of course, since the patch looks nice & trivial, merging it directly from the bug report is also very likely to happen :-) | 21:56 |
| Sc0rpius | so that basically means we should forget about Maemo and go to Meego? that's nonsense | 21:57 |
| Sc0rpius | Meego will never be a complete Linux distro like Maemo and that's what we want I think | 21:58 |
| wmarone | it won't? | 21:58 |
| Sc0rpius | and it's terribly slow in a N900 so far. | 21:58 |
| wmarone | I don't know why people say that, IIRC meego is intended to be forked and used for whatever purpose... | 21:59 |
| andre__ | Sc:rpius, depends on what you want to compare with. MeeGo Handset itself is not usable yet on *any* device. Not specific to N900 :) | 22:00 |
| Sc0rpius | i wish I could have a ./configure line that makes everything exactly as it is in the N900 | 22:05 |
| Sc0rpius | everything gets build in /usr/local and with maemo-invoker support disabled | 22:05 |
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| Sc0rpius | I wonder if I can get a list of desktop widgets via command line | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | I should fix some things that annoy me from Modest | 22:21 |
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| Sc0rpius | well everything is working as expected so far | 23:00 |
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| BCMM | the updated modest doesn't have portrait reading mode does it? | 23:14 |
| Sc0rpius | no I don't think so | 23:15 |
| Sc0rpius | what I really need in modest is a collapse/uncollapse (sp?) thing for subfolders | 23:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I just can't browse over 500 folders I have | 23:16 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: woah. | 23:16 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: doesn't modest have to ask the server about each of those in turn every time you check mail? | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | but the "root" folders are just like 10 | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | I hope it doesn't | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | I hope it justs polls the inbox | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | but I'm not sure. | 23:17 |
| BCMM | oh, looks like CSSU hildon-desktop has the same notification crash as MHD | 23:17 |
| BCMM | meh, minor problem | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | how ps aux | grep modest | grep -v grep | awk ' { print $1 } ' | xargs kill -SIGHUP | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | how can ps aux | grep modest | grep -v grep | awk ' { print $1 } ' | xargs kill -SIGHUP | 23:17 |
| Sc0rpius | err sorry sorry | 23:18 |
| Sc0rpius | how can you reproduce that notification crash? | 23:18 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: sorry, i know your talking about modest in the main chan, it's what reminded me | 23:18 |
| Sc0rpius | since MHD and CSSU hildon-desktops are both mantained by MohammedAG... | 23:18 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: get a notification, and then alt-tab for a bit | 23:18 |
| BCMM | well, ctrl-backspace, in alt-tab mode | 23:18 |
| Sc0rpius | ok let's see | 23:18 |
| BCMM | i don't know if it requires that you are in a fullscreen app beforehand | 23:19 |
| BCMM | by notification, i mean one of those things that appears on the task switcher when you get mail or SMS | 23:19 |
| BCMM | (and so on) | 23:19 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah the orange ballons | 23:21 |
| BCMM | or blue | 23:22 |
| Sc0rpius | I have never seen them blue | 23:23 |
| Sc0rpius | can't reproduce it... | 23:23 |
| Sc0rpius | lemme try again | 23:23 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: depends on your theme | 23:23 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: can i help with the notifications by highlighting you? | 23:23 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 23:24 |
| BCMM | actually, that's a stupid idea when #test has a bot for that, nm | 23:24 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: do you have hildon-desktop configured to provide alt-tab emulation? | 23:24 |
| Sc0rpius | I can press Ctrl-Backspace if that's what you mean | 23:24 |
| Creteil | don't know if it's due to the ssu installation but the keyboard sequence 'ctrl-backspace' doesn't work anymore ... Does someone have an idea of what I can check ? | 23:25 |
| Sc0rpius | Creteil there's a fix for that | 23:25 |
| Creteil | Sc0rpius, ok, where is it ? | 23:25 |
| Sc0rpius | as root: gconf-schemas --register hildon-desktop-keys.schemas | 23:25 |
| Sc0rpius | and then kill -SIGHUP hildon-desktop (or reboot) | 23:25 |
| Creteil | Sc0rpius, ok, let me chack right now ... | 23:26 |
| Sc0rpius | BCMM: ctrl-backspace == alt tab? | 23:26 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: i mean, there is gconf key that makes ctrl-backspace behave like alt-tab would in a typical window manager | 23:27 |
| BCMM | hold down ctrl, and then each backspace advances by one window | 23:27 |
| Sc0rpius | oh interesting, but no I don't have that | 23:27 |
| BCMM | you release ctrl to select that window, no screen-tapping required | 23:27 |
| Sc0rpius | and I think it's faster ctrl-backspace once and then tap | 23:27 |
| Sc0rpius | I see | 23:27 |
| Sc0rpius | but no I don't have that | 23:27 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: ah. well, that crash is when using that, you see | 23:28 |
| Sc0rpius | I see | 23:28 |
| Creteil | Sc0rpius, it's ok, thanks for the fix ... | 23:28 |
| BCMM | also, which one is faster depends if you were just tapping or keyboarding | 23:28 |
| BCMM | and you can still use it the normal way by just not holding ctrl too long | 23:28 |
| Creteil | BCMM, I like this idea ... | 23:28 |
| BCMM | Creteil: if you're using CSSU, you have the feature! you just need to set a gconf key for it | 23:29 |
| BCMM | (there's no GUI to enable it) | 23:29 |
| Sc0rpius | and it crashes just when you get to the notification window or exactly when you press the key if you have a notification pending? | 23:32 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: you can't get to the notification window, even when it's functioning correctly | 23:32 |
| BCMM | (i think this is to prevent even more crashes) | 23:32 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: not sure exactly when it happens | 23:33 |
| Creteil | BCMM, give me the command line to activate it please ... | 23:33 |
| BCMM | i have the feeling that any press of ctrl-backspace *can* cause it, when a notification is active | 23:33 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: actually, just now it crashed when i selected a window to move to and released ctrl | 23:34 |
| BCMM | Creteil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop | 23:34 |
| BCMM | Creteil: i think it uses the same patches as MHD, so have a look at the MHD docs | 23:35 |
| BCMM | since CSSU doesn't seem to have docs for it's hildon-desktop mods yet | 23:35 |
| Creteil | BCMM, ok ... | 23:35 |
| BCMM | Creteil: you need to set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav to 5 | 23:35 |
| Jaffa | BCMM: There's a bug about notifications (can't remember if it was you who raised it). More info would be good :-) | 23:36 |
| Creteil | BCMM, ok, just changed the value from 0 to 5 right now ... let me check if it work ... | 23:37 |
| Sc0rpius | I would have to test it | 23:39 |
| Creteil | BCMM, thank's it work properly :-) | 23:39 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe it crashes in hd_task_navigator_rotate_thumbs | 23:39 |
| Sc0rpius | I can see (in the code) that it rotates the thumbnails while you keep pressing backspace (holding ctrl) | 23:40 |
| Sc0rpius | I guess i can test it in the scratchbox, let's see | 23:40 |
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| Sc0rpius | it doesn't crash... | 23:49 |
| Sc0rpius | and the notification always stay at last, it never rotates | 23:49 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: yeah, taht's what i have | 23:50 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: but then, when i release ctrl to zoom to the selected window, hildon-desktop dies | 23:50 |
| Sc0rpius | I think when you release the ctrl it crashes? | 23:50 |
| Sc0rpius | 'cos I think it crashed hehehe | 23:50 |
| Sc0rpius | wow now I can't change windows | 23:50 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: how does scratchbox work? can i upgrade to CSSU using basically the same procedure as for my device? | 23:50 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: if it crashes, you'll know. no windecos or status area | 23:51 |
| Sc0rpius | it should work yes, but I didn't that. I have retrieved each project using git, compiling it, and installing it over whatever I have (PR1.2/1.3 mixture) | 23:51 |
| Sc0rpius | I have changed so many things it doesn't have a name anymore :) | 23:51 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah it crashed, let's see why | 23:52 |
| Sc0rpius | it crashes with an error | 23:52 |
| Sc0rpius | hildon-desktop[16874]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get_data: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed | 23:52 |
| Sc0rpius | but I'm looking exactly why it happens | 23:53 |
| Sc0rpius | (I can always type "hildon-desktop" and recover all functionality since it loads again) | 23:53 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: huh, you have to do that? on my device, hildon-desktop respawns | 23:55 |
| BCMM | (automatically, with windecos only being gone for about a second | 23:55 |
| Sc0rpius | well in the device maybe it respawns | 23:55 |
| Sc0rpius | it is not respawning in scratchbox | 23:55 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's ok | 23:55 |
| Sc0rpius | it's not relevant for a possible fix | 23:55 |
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