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| juiceme | hello everybody, and welcome! | 19:00 |
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| eLtMosen | hello all! | 19:00 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, hi! | 19:01 |
| eLtMosen | Kind of Hello World to MCev also, thank you for accepting my application. | 19:01 |
| juiceme | thanks for applying, it is good to have you! :) | 19:02 |
| reinob | hey there! | 19:02 |
| juiceme | reinob, welcome! | 19:02 |
| sicelo | hi all :) | 19:04 |
| juiceme | sicelo, hi! | 19:05 |
| eLtMosen | hi reinob & sicelo, 1st question,is there a min. number of participants to be operable or are we waiting for current board to start? | 19:06 |
| juiceme | yes, the bylaws state that there need to be 1/3 of the active GA members present to have quorum. | 19:07 |
| juiceme | it means, 6 or more is enough, | 19:08 |
| eekkelund | Evening!:) | 19:08 |
| eLtMosen | Ok, prepare for more basic questions regarding procedure during the evening :p | 19:08 |
| juiceme | and yes, to start we are waiting for Chairman of the Board to open the meeting | 19:08 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, hi! | 19:08 |
| sicelo | eLtMosen: https://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoCommunity_eV .. :-0 | 19:08 |
| sicelo | :0 | 19:09 |
| juiceme | sicelo, exactly | 19:09 |
| sicelo | UGH | 19:09 |
| eLtMosen | good evening eekkelund | 19:09 |
| reinob | eekkelund, hey! | 19:09 |
| sicelo | keyboard weirdos now. sorry | 19:09 |
| sicelo | who'll be taking minutes? eLtMosen? or who's the Secretary? | 19:12 |
| eekkelund | Hey btw offtopic, does the new council have twitter credentials? Maybe you would be more active there?:-D | 19:12 |
| sicelo | eekkelund: i do. | 19:12 |
| reinob | I still have them. Will delete/forget them :) | 19:13 |
| eekkelund | Ok good current council has them :) | 19:13 |
| sicelo | ah wait .. no, i don't have :) | 19:14 |
| juiceme | sicelo, at least I am taking minutes, someone else can do so if they wish :) | 19:14 |
| sicelo | though you were asking if *I* have an account. | 19:14 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, about the twitter, it is true we have not been very active on that forum... | 19:15 |
| reinob | sicelo, If you have an account I could send the username/password via DM | 19:15 |
| sicelo | reinob: perfect. @abissom | 19:15 |
| juiceme | yes, that would be good. in last council it was eekkelund and reinob who handled twitter and I have to confess I all about forgot about it, not being an active tweeter myself! :( | 19:16 |
| eekkelund | maybe username and password should be sent with two different communications method | 19:16 |
| juiceme | so if sicelo wants to do it, beautiful! | 19:16 |
| reinob | fair enough | 19:17 |
| eLtMosen | i will help juice taking minutes. we could agree on weekly post during meetings to have a kind of goal during them ;) | 19:17 |
| eekkelund | We weren't that active either..;D | 19:17 |
| sicelo | i also don't tweet in general. but for Maemo, I can do anything :) | 19:17 |
| reinob | I guess twitter DM is nevertheless "secure enough" for this purpose | 19:17 |
| eLtMosen | i need to learn taking minutes and take this a s opportunity, honestly | 19:17 |
| juiceme | good. | 19:17 |
| reinob | OK if I send username per Twitter DM and password per TMO PM? | 19:18 |
| reinob | (or the other way around..) | 19:18 |
| sicelo | sounds good with me., subject to approval from the other members | 19:21 |
| juiceme | so, waiting for more members to show up. | 19:25 |
| juiceme | If I have tallied it correctly we have now 4 GA members here, so at least 2 more is needed | 19:25 |
| juiceme | I just sent a meeting reminder by mail | 19:30 |
| reinob | just seen it. Thanks! | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! | 19:31 |
| reinob | hey! :) | 19:31 |
| reinob | 5 GA members. 1 to go! (or rather, to come :) | 19:32 |
| sicelo | :-) | 19:32 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, hi! | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for being late | 19:34 |
| juiceme | no problem, better late than never :) | 19:34 |
| juiceme | which is always my execuse! | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there a pad or whatever with topics? | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beyond those in the email I got | 19:36 |
| juiceme | not really, that is the topics that have been introduced. | 19:37 |
| eLtMosen | will take minutes here: https://piratenpad.de/p/GA_2017_MCeV_Meeting_Minutes | 19:37 |
| juiceme | of course more can be taken into "6. any other issues" if so appers | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eLtMosen: great! many thanks! | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((1 to go)) why? who? | 19:40 |
| reinob | AFAIK we need 6 GA members | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *totaly* lost track of who's who and what is needed, at large, regarding this eV | 19:41 |
| sicelo | :-) | 19:42 |
| eLtMosen | for clarification, for 2017 its 16 total members again due to me joining two days ago? | 19:42 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, it can all be found in https://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoCommunity_eV | 19:43 |
| sicelo | 9(5) on the regulations specifically mentions the 1/3 rules | 19:43 |
| juiceme | sicelo, yes. This means 6 or more by my count | 19:43 |
| reinob | in the Wiki 17 GA members are shown. Unfortunately only 16 can possibly be present. 1/3, rounded up is 6 | 19:44 |
| juiceme | I have just received authorization from Falk (warfare) that I may represent him in the capacity of Bylaws §9 (8) | 19:45 |
| juiceme | so now we have 6 members present! | 19:45 |
| sicelo | and no offence, but is estel still around? | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 19:45 |
| juiceme | sicelo, that is a valid question | 19:45 |
| sicelo | looks like active members are 15 therefore, so when we had 5 we already met the requirements :) | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, estel | 19:46 |
| juiceme | I have not seen/heard of him for a long time, and I fear something might have happened to him. | 19:46 |
| sicelo | anyway, guess we can get started now. | 19:46 |
| sicelo | yes juiceme. i saw some mention on tmo a long time ago. tbh, i am surprised he's GA | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe estel finally accepted his rank #1 on troll contest ;-P | 19:46 |
| juiceme | yes, ecept that the caption 1. states opening by Chairman of the Board. If Chemist does not show up I think as a member of the board I probably may represent him. | 19:47 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, that is also possiby true | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chairman is probably ad hoc assignable | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I vote for juiceme being our chairman for this meeting | 19:49 |
| reinob | so juiceme represents the "trinity" of the board of directors today :) | 19:49 |
| juiceme | that is appropriate, thank you :) | 19:50 |
| reinob | I second DocScrutinizer05's vote | 19:50 |
| eLtMosen | agreed | 19:50 |
| sicelo | agreed | 19:50 |
| eekkelund | agreeed | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any objections? | 19:51 |
| juiceme | thank you for the confidence, then we may proceed with the meeting. | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not | 19:51 |
| eekkelund | agreeed | 19:51 |
| eekkelund | woops sorry:D | 19:51 |
| juiceme | good. | 19:51 |
| juiceme | Topic 1. Welcome by the Chairman of the Board (presented by the Treasurer of the Board) | 19:52 |
| eLtMosen | hey hey, you need to welcome all participants first for the protocol :D :D :D | 19:53 |
| juiceme | welcome, everybody of the Maemo Community Verein to the annual General Assembly meeting for 2017 | 19:53 |
| eLtMosen | lol. | 19:53 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, yes, getting to it | 19:53 |
| reinob | :) | 19:53 |
| juiceme | this is an open meeting available for everybody, but only the Active GA members may have voice in the meeting. | 19:54 |
| juiceme | hence I advice all others please to hold your utterances until the end of the meeting. | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | list of attending GA members: | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joerg_rw | 19:56 |
| juiceme | with these opening words, I want us to continue to the second topic of the meeting. | 19:56 |
| juiceme | 2. Determination of the proper convocation and the quorum of the General Assembly | 19:56 |
| juiceme | yes | 19:56 |
| juiceme | I see there are present and active voice with the following members, in the order I have observed today. | 19:57 |
| juiceme | Please acknowledge yourselves by "present" when I ask your irc nic. | 19:57 |
| juiceme | juiceme | 19:58 |
| juiceme | present | 19:58 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen | 19:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 prods eLtMosen | 19:58 | |
| juiceme | eLtMosen? | 19:59 |
| eLtMosen | present | 19:59 |
| juiceme | reinob | 19:59 |
| reinob | present | 19:59 |
| juiceme | eekkelund | 19:59 |
| eekkelund | present | 19:59 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05 | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here | 19:59 |
| juiceme | warfare | 19:59 |
| juiceme | warfare, acked by juiceme | 20:00 |
| eLtMosen | note: GA was announced on 19.08.2017 ~ 6weeks prior, meeting the required 4 weeks | 20:01 |
| juiceme | As we have 17 active members in the GA roster, of which one is deceased, I hereby declare that having 6 members present is enough to get 1/3 attendance and we are quorum. | 20:01 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, correct, the meeting was announced in correct timeframe. | 20:02 |
| juiceme | We will then proceed to the next topic. | 20:03 |
| juiceme | Topic 3. Acceptance of the annual report for the fiscal year and actions of the Executive | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is basically the most important topic of any GA meeting I guess | 20:04 |
| juiceme | Please may everybody refer to the accounts report document here; http://swagman.org/juice/MCeV_treasurers_report_signed_2016.pdf | 20:04 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, exactly. | 20:04 |
| juiceme | While you familiarize yourself with the document, I will highlight some event of the year 2016 | 20:05 |
| eLtMosen | kudos for the decision to move money from paypal to bank btw! | 20:06 |
| juiceme | As always, our whole income consists of doations from membership. On year 2016 we got somewhat less donations than the previous year, but also our expenses were also smaller so our cashflow remains pretty much even | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | excellent report, I accept this | 20:07 |
| reinob | I accept it too. Thanks. | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks to jussi and Timo | 20:08 |
| juiceme | The main expenses were acquiring prize devices for the Coding Competition, getting a backup HW for our servers and sending a memorial flower garland to the funeral of oune of our founding members, Gido Griese. | 20:08 |
| juiceme | And indeed as pointed out, we transferred the bulk of our funds out from PayPal to the Deutche Bank account, when the problems of PayPal handling of donations became possible. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't get me started! | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | excellent | 20:11 |
| juiceme | the current policy is still to accept donations on bank transfers, Bitcoin and PayPal, but transfer everything to the "real bank" for handling. | 20:11 |
| reinob | excellent choice :) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | much recommended | 20:12 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, yes, the Neo900 incident with PayPal indeed was a bad sign. | 20:12 |
| juiceme | The Council Chairman eLtMosen has verified the accounts documents and audited the books. | 20:13 |
| juiceme | I will open discussion on accounts/budget now. | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for interruption | 20:14 |
| juiceme | no problem :) | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see need to list plain names vs IRc names of attendees | 20:14 |
| eLtMosen | Timo Könnecke | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at very least vs names as listed on https://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoCommunity_eV | 20:15 |
| juiceme | a good point, thanks | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Kowerg Reisenweber | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Joerg | 20:15 |
| juiceme | Jussi Ohenoja | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for warfare: Falk stern | 20:15 |
| * juiceme asks reinob and eekkelund to present realnames for record | 20:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for reinob: B. Reino | 20:17 |
| eekkelund | eetu kahelin | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much for the IRClog | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 20:18 |
| juiceme | Thank you. | 20:18 |
| juiceme | So, does anyone want to discuss accounts? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is this year's colo rent already paid? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it is due around spring | 20:19 |
| juiceme | yes, it is the IPHH fee of 59,50 | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but I ask about 2017 | 20:20 |
| juiceme | yes, that is paid too. | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 20:20 |
| reinob | (name is Bernardo Reino) | 20:20 |
| juiceme | now we only have the 2016 accounts for review | 20:20 |
| reinob | for me it all looks OK. no need to discuss anything | 20:21 |
| eLtMosen | I was surprised the operation will be independent from donations for someyears to come. good news. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | already accepted it :-) | 20:22 |
| eekkelund | Looks good, accepted. | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eLtMosen: we sourced some funds during migration :-D | 20:22 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, for basic expenses yes, but if we are arranging competitions/events and so on, the it will of course need more funds. | 20:22 |
| eLtMosen | yes, gotta make those self sustainable with some brain crunching ;) | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also keep in mind there *will* be mainzenance expense for hardware renewal | 20:23 |
| juiceme | OK, for the record; the meeting accepted the accounts report for fiscal year 2016. | 20:23 |
| eLtMosen | 100% of votes for the meeting minutes record | 20:24 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, indeed, as for example the 3rd blade population and getting it running. | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's "improvement" but we canibalized blade4 when blade2(?) broke down | 20:24 |
| juiceme | as HW is not eternal, needs to be looked after and updated now and then | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other stuff will need purchasing spares when it breaks | 20:25 |
| juiceme | yes, that was done quickly and with skill, thanks to our excellent TechStaff! | 20:25 |
| juiceme | So, lets move to the next topic | 20:26 |
| juiceme | 4. Election of the Board Directors | 20:26 |
| juiceme | now, as the board member in charge, I will step down and change over to the Council Chairman to proceed. | 20:26 |
| eLtMosen | Ok, taking over for the first time, bear with me :D | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: many thanks! | 20:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 applauds | 20:28 | |
| eLtMosen | Are there candidates for election?, we need three positions to be filled. ->Chairman, Treasurer and Secretary. | 20:28 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, thank you! | 20:28 |
| reinob | I do *not* candidate.. | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | due to my other workloads I'd be a terrible washout, so no | 20:29 |
| juiceme | two members of the current board are willing to canddate | 20:30 |
| eLtMosen | That for the record is you juiceme and ? | 20:30 |
| juiceme | juiceme and warfare | 20:30 |
| juiceme | Jussi Ohenoja and Falk Stern | 20:30 |
| eLtMosen | ok, which positions are you ruling for? Which are left to be newly elected? | 20:31 |
| juiceme | mr. chairman, may I present the situation? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 20:31 |
| eLtMosen | Yes absolutely, thanks | 20:31 |
| juiceme | okay. | 20:31 |
| juiceme | for the smooth running of the Verein, at least one Board Member needs to be a German national with permanent German address for official business, | 20:32 |
| juiceme | of others, that is not mandatory. | 20:33 |
| juiceme | the GA will appoint 3 Directors to the Board, and the Board will then configure itself as it sees fit. | 20:33 |
| juiceme | the Directors are legally bound and responsible to run the Verein as presented in regulations anf bylaws. | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mans? | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means, even | 20:35 |
| juiceme | Now, it is the duty of the meeting to arrange that there are 2 Directors. | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what are the particular duties/hobs at hand | 20:35 |
| juiceme | chairman, treasurer, secretary | 20:35 |
| eLtMosen | frankly some german has to step forward to provide his adress for official business other than chemist who did a great job in the past and is stepping down now due to moving . | 20:36 |
| eLtMosen | right? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare is German | 20:36 |
| juiceme | yes, of current candidates one is German. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a sense of avoiding single point of failure, I consider if my other workloads would allow e to do low effort stuff like looking my postbox once a week | 20:38 |
| juiceme | so there are opportunities for anyone present to step forward :) | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I asked about the particular tasks at hand | 20:39 |
| juiceme | well, I have been looking after the funds. And if I am elected, I can continue to do so. | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it's only about a postal address that gets some letter 2 or 3 times a year, no problem | 20:40 |
| eLtMosen | mainly registering the adress with local juristriction and handle few official requests as far as i understand | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also am 24/7 on IRC as you probbaly noticed | 20:40 |
| juiceme | the Chairman's duties are to officialy represent MCeV if so needed | 20:41 |
| eLtMosen | Juiceme, the bank account is registered to chemist as seen in the docs. Would that need to be changed also or will he continue to manage that account? | 20:41 |
| juiceme | and there will be some notarization/court things also to be done | 20:41 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, yes, that needs to be changed. | 20:42 |
| juiceme | I got documentation for it signed by chemist but it needs to be executed to be in effect | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly also needs german resident status for the damn bank | 20:43 |
| juiceme | yes | 20:43 |
| eLtMosen | honestly, i can not candidate. I would do if it was me personally handeling the stuff. But as i am 90% out of house my wife would do the actual paperwork and i do not want riss to pull here into more. | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I can take responsibility as stand-in / secondary account "owner" | 20:43 |
| eLtMosen | omg. you are a hero. | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest Falk being primary account holder then | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my time is limited to a maybe 30 min per months(!!!) though, for all eV related stuff. If that's no problem, count me in | 20:45 |
| eLtMosen | So, we have 3 candidates set for election, warfare, joerg_rw and juiceme. | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (a singular task that needs more than 30min is no big issue if it has some large time window to get accomplished) | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no recurring tasks though | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of >30/mo | 20:47 |
| juiceme | OK, do we have more candidates? | 20:47 |
| eLtMosen | For translations,you can have my help anytime. i can do them in scattered sparetime | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eLtMosen: well, don't count me in before the other two have considered if they even would want me in under the conditions I stated | 20:48 |
| eLtMosen | acknowledged | 20:48 |
| juiceme | well, at least I am willing to accept those terms. | 20:48 |
| eLtMosen | do you have warefare on speed dial or speak as bylaw also? | 20:49 |
| eLtMosen | we would have a decision then | 20:49 |
| juiceme | I am allowed to speak on his behalf | 20:49 |
| eLtMosen | so we have a valif candidate in DocScrutinizer05 / joerg_rw | 20:50 |
| eLtMosen | *valid | 20:50 |
| eLtMosen | Thank you again for taking the responsibility. Can we have a vote for joerg_rw to join the board? | 20:52 |
| eLtMosen | I vote with yes | 20:52 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, all of the candidates need to be voted for :) | 20:52 |
| eLtMosen | i guess on after another o do you mean single vote for all? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one after the other :-) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I vote neutral | 20:53 |
| juiceme | first present one candidate and ask for votes, then other, then third. | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on myself | 20:53 |
| juiceme | I will vote YES for DocScrutinizer05 | 20:53 |
| eLtMosen | Good, then again now the votes for Joerg_rw | 20:54 |
| * juiceme will vote YES for DocScrutinizer05 | 20:54 | |
| eLtMosen | YES | 20:54 |
| eekkelund | yes! | 20:54 |
| eLtMosen | reinob? | 20:55 |
| reinob | yes! | 20:55 |
| eLtMosen | For the record, juiceme on behalf of warefare | 20:56 |
| juiceme | Juiceme will vote YES for DocScrutinizer05 on behalf of warfare | 20:56 |
| eLtMosen | Vote done, 5 pro, one neutral, joerg_rw is elected board member of MC e.V. | 20:57 |
| eLtMosen | Do you accept, DocScrutinizer05? | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Thanks (?) :-D | 20:58 |
| reinob | (in case I'm not available in the next few minutes I vote YES for Joerg, Juiceme and Falk) | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I accept | 20:58 |
| eLtMosen | Thank you again. | 20:58 |
| eLtMosen | Now the votes for Warefare doing another term as Board Member. | 20:58 |
| eLtMosen | I vote yes | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:59 |
| * juiceme will vote YES for warfare | 20:59 | |
| eekkelund | I also vote yes | 20:59 |
| juiceme | Juiceme will vote YES for warfare on behalf of warfare | 20:59 |
| reinob | I vote yes | 20:59 |
| eLtMosen | Thank you all, 6 votes pro, warefare is elected boardmember of MC e.V. | 21:00 |
| * juiceme thanks on the behalf of warfare | 21:01 | |
| eLtMosen | Now the votes for Juiceme to stay in function as Board Member. right time to say a warm thank you for introducing me to the MC e.V. | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:01 |
| eLtMosen | yes | 21:02 |
| reinob | yes | 21:02 |
| juiceme | yes | 21:02 |
| eekkelund | yes | 21:02 |
| juiceme | Juiceme will vote YES for juiceme on behalf of warfare | 21:03 |
| eLtMosen | Ok, thank you, record 6 votes for Juiceme, Congratulations Members, you ave voted yourselfa new Board! | 21:03 |
| * juiceme thanks the assembly for honor and confidence! | 21:04 | |
| juiceme | and yes, I will accept | 21:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 follows juiceme | 21:04 | |
| juiceme | and I also accept on behalf of warfare | 21:05 |
| eLtMosen | Thanks was just typing the question :d | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk 3 min | 21:05 |
| eLtMosen | Topic 4 is fullfilled,we have a new board consisting of Joerg_rw, Juiceme and Warefare. | 21:06 |
| eLtMosen | I will need to resettel from the balcony;)give me 5 minutes, i wouldlike to hand over to juiceme again! | 21:07 |
| eLtMosen | for topic number 5 | 21:07 |
| juiceme | okay, you handled this well but I can take the chair if you so wish! | 21:07 |
| juiceme | so, contining to next topic. | 21:08 |
| eLtMosen | just 5-10 min :p thanks | 21:08 |
| juiceme | Topic 5. Honorary membership status for Gido Griese | 21:08 |
| eLtMosen | i get killed by mosquitos | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what does that mean? | 21:08 |
| juiceme | ah, I think eLtMosen is outside on the balcony, and bothered by mosquitos :) | 21:09 |
| juiceme | and he needs to go inside! | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I meant "honorary membership" | 21:09 |
| reinob | :) | 21:09 |
| juiceme | oh, yes | 21:09 |
| juiceme | well, to give some background. | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no idea of the meaning | 21:10 |
| eLtMosen | DocScrutinizer05, "Ehrenmitglied | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, still | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he is/was already a full member, no? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have a guess what you're after, but please explain | 21:11 |
| eLtMosen | It is more a sign of appreciation an frememberance than technically mandatory | 21:11 |
| juiceme | in our association bylawas we have definition for honorary mebership, to be granted for things of merit done to community. Up to now we have no honorary members yet. | 21:12 |
| juiceme | Gido died in the end of the last year, and as you might remember he was very active in setting up the legal format of our association. | 21:12 |
| juiceme | and it seems there is no problem in German legislation to have honorary memgership granted posthumously | 21:13 |
| juiceme | so the Council wants to elevate this in the Memory of Gido, and have him named a Honorary Member. | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but then we need to define honorary memebers (or at least deceased ones) do not count in for quorum etc | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no other objections | 21:15 |
| juiceme | There is also a fund in the making, that will be called in his name and which will collect donations for debvelopers in poor countries. | 21:15 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, you are correct. | 21:15 |
| juiceme | it needs to be checked how this is easiest done, or do we need to change association rules for it. | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do the bylaws say anything about this particular topic? | 21:16 |
| eLtMosen | what if we reserve the status striktly for decesed Members? Than we would prevent richard stallmann becomeing one anytime in the future :D | 21:16 |
| juiceme | heh | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if not, we *probably* (IANAL) get away with ad hoc defining a role of "inactive honorary membership" | 21:17 |
| juiceme | well, the first one is solved already; in bylaws it says that there are 3 membership classes; active, passive and honorary. | 21:18 |
| juiceme | and only active are part of the GA assembly | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, fine then | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | excellent | 21:18 |
| eLtMosen | correct! i have studied additional vereinsrecht in that matter in last week | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, let's vote for this | 21:19 |
| eLtMosen | our rules already apply, we only need to grant him honorary status by vote 50% | 21:19 |
| juiceme | there is no sying however that one could not belong to more than one membership... ? | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I vote yes for Guido honorary membership | 21:19 |
| * juiceme votes for Gido Griese to have Honorary Membership | 21:20 | |
| eekkelund | Yes from me! | 21:20 |
| eLtMosen | I would not touch his actuall membership,it could be bound to beeing able to become honorary member. | 21:20 |
| eLtMosen | yes from me | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd assume any membership is due to cancellation when the member fades away. | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly up to board | 21:20 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05 that seems the logical thing to assume | 21:21 |
| eLtMosen | but in that case we also do not have to take any more action, do we? | 21:21 |
| juiceme | however it is subject to change when one day it might be that it is not necessary to live in a physical body to be alive... | 21:21 |
| eLtMosen | lol | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we cancel his normal membership due to obvious reasons and convert it to a honorary membership | 21:22 |
| juiceme | yes, that is OK. | 21:22 |
| eLtMosen | reinobs vote is missing on the matter | 21:23 |
| reinob | I vote yes as well | 21:23 |
| juiceme | OK. So we have 6 votes for Honorary Membership for Gido Griese | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eLtMosen: I noted your concern about "not touching his normal membership" but think it's void | 21:24 |
| juiceme | Need we retake the vote to the act as "remove Active membership from Gido Griese and grant him Honorary Membership" ? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, "void" is probably the wrong word | 21:24 |
| eLtMosen | Yes i just checked, you are right DocScrutinizer05! I will note to edit the maemo wiki pages accordingly. | 21:25 |
| juiceme | to make it official, let's take that vote. | 21:25 |
| juiceme | oh sorry, did not notice that above | 21:25 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen> I would not touch his actuall membership,it could be bound to beeing able to become honorary member. | 21:26 |
| juiceme | so, I will cancel the second vote, as it is ot needed. | 21:26 |
| juiceme | not needed | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost me | 21:26 |
| eLtMosen | juiceme, No, that was false, i checked and membership ends with death. So it is even a matter of keeping him with us ;) | 21:27 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, I was about to retake the vote as "remove Active membership from Gido Griese and grant him Honorary Membership" but then I read few lines back where eLtMosen said best not do that. | 21:27 |
| reinob | I think we all agree to give him the honorary membership. Should the law require that he remain active member, then we keep it like that. Otherwise we cancel his normal membership. Would that be OK for all? | 21:27 |
| eLtMosen | yes | 21:28 |
| juiceme | that sounds good. | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:28 |
| juiceme | yes | 21:28 |
| juiceme | eekkelund? | 21:28 |
| eekkelund | yeah | 21:28 |
| juiceme | Thank you, that is settled then. | 21:29 |
| juiceme | so let's move to next topic. | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I shudder figuring how his inheritors join in messing up GA ;-) IF that would actually be needed | 21:29 |
| juiceme | heh, I don't think membership is inheritable | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we could remove mebership any time, based on those circumstances | 21:30 |
| juiceme | yes | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: it probably is | 21:30 |
| reinob | good question: I don't know if membership to a "Verein" is inheritable. Probably in Germany it is even the case... :) | 21:30 |
| juiceme | so | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the topic is covered | 21:30 |
| juiceme | if that happens, then it is a bridge we cross at that time. | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't happen | 21:31 |
| juiceme | Topic 6. Any other business | 21:31 |
| eLtMosen | reinob, no, bound to the person. You actually gain some legal rights as being a vereins member i learned | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'kaaay - how about blade3? | 21:31 |
| juiceme | There has not been any proposed AOB to the agenda before, is there something now? | 21:31 |
| reinob | eLtMosen: OK thanks! | 21:32 |
| reinob | what's with those blades? | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think warfare and juiceme both appreciated the idea | 21:32 |
| eLtMosen | can you give management summary regarding blade3? DocScrutinizer05? first time i hear | 21:32 |
| juiceme | the HW that runs our systems resides i 2 active blades | 21:32 |
| juiceme | but in the rack there is space for 4 blades | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have a server with 4 "blades" aka mobos, each hosting a 2 CPUs and RAM and all | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blade 1 and 2 are active, 3 inactive and 4 defect | 21:33 |
| juiceme | except that all blades are not fully populated, was it CPU or memory missing on some? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we could put blade 3 to purpose by adding CPU, RAM, and HDDs | 21:34 |
| juiceme | yes, that was it | 21:34 |
| reinob | do we need that? | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CPU (used) is like a 100 bucks | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RAM and HDDs as usual | 21:34 |
| juiceme | as a emergency backup, we do :) | 21:34 |
| reinob | OK | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also we added a VM for freemangordon | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now resources are a tad tight | 21:35 |
| juiceme | yes, for Freemantle building | 21:35 |
| eLtMosen | will it be fun or pita for the guys doing the actual work? | 21:35 |
| reinob | OK. if there's a (sensible) use for it then I'm all for it | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eLtMosen: ask warfare :-D | 21:35 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, I would imagine it is fun if not need to be done in emergency :) | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not all clear if we need one or two CPUs | 21:36 |
| eLtMosen | If he is up for fun, i am all for it if it provides backup :D | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: ack | 21:36 |
| juiceme | but indeed we have the funds for it if we so choose | 21:36 |
| juiceme | and it is now on the domain of the Board to handle it, as Council and GA has instructed us. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I throw in a remark that the final decision about that might also depend on maemo council | 21:37 |
| juiceme | indeed | 21:37 |
| eLtMosen | so, should we define a budget? | 21:37 |
| juiceme | we can look at it in Council meeting | 21:38 |
| eLtMosen | indeed | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | defining budget depends on a quote we need from techstaff aka warfare | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and xes | 21:38 |
| juiceme | yes | 21:39 |
| juiceme | as does the timeframe on when the work can be done. | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I assume some range between 500 and 1000 bucks | 21:39 |
| reinob | I vote yet trusting (and I do) that good use will be made of this. If so necessary I will also donate some money. | 21:40 |
| reinob | I have to leave now. Will check log later in the evening. | 21:40 |
| juiceme | thanks ! | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reinob: many thanks! | 21:40 |
| eLtMosen | All i am saying is, Techstaff do all that tedious (spam) work, so they should have budget for some hacking fun at least ;) | 21:40 |
| juiceme | okay, is there AOB still? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not from my side, in this context | 21:41 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, a good idea, again we need to look into that later | 21:41 |
| juiceme | SO | 21:41 |
| eLtMosen | nothing from my side | 21:41 |
| reinob | before I go. We can pay it from the budget. But techstaff could get a "present" (amount to be decided). | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe "what happend or shall happen to broken blade4?" | 21:42 |
| juiceme | reinob, yes | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reinob: can't talk for others but when I was techstaff member I'd say "no present needed, just support us!" | 21:43 |
| juiceme | yes | 21:43 |
| juiceme | and up to now it has been possible and I hope it continues to be so. | 21:43 |
| eLtMosen | And thats what i ment the present to be DocScrutinizer05 ;) | 21:44 |
| juiceme | techstaff keeps wheels running, and Board and Council find the money to do that. | 21:44 |
| juiceme | So, I would like to close the meeting now. | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, I talked with warfare, and iirc he also liked the idea to activate blade3 | 21:45 |
| eLtMosen | shall we close then, i will do the meeting minutes | 21:45 |
| juiceme | I want to thank everybody attending! | 21:45 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, thank you | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to everybody from me too | 21:45 |
| eLtMosen | no problem, happy if i can help | 21:46 |
| juiceme | so, I close this annual GA meeting 2017, goodwill to all ya! | 21:46 |
| eekkelund | Thank you and gz for new Board! :) | 21:46 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, thanks! | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a special thanks to sicelo for the remider-ping :-) | 21:47 |
| juiceme | nite everyone | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 21:47 |
| sicelo | :) | 21:48 |
| sicelo | good meeting, i see | 21:48 |
| juiceme | sicelo, now it is OK to speak again :) | 21:48 |
| eLtMosen | frankly, DocScrutinizer05 saved the evening. Thanks again for keeping MC e.V. operable | 21:50 |
| sicelo | was i the only mute party haha | 21:50 |
| juiceme | :) | 21:50 |
| juiceme | now I need to go, I have a bucketful of mushrooms to clean :) | 21:51 |
| juiceme | of this vriety: https://www.google.fi/search?q=brown+chanterelle+mushroom&client=ubuntu&hs=Df6&channel=fs&dcr=0&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiyk9mDjNDWAhUmOJoKHV9WBugQsAQIKw&biw=1273&bih=697 | 21:52 |
| eLtMosen | wow, lucky you. have fun. there is nothing more relaxing than food prep. i tell you :p | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please /query me for any pending things, also when sending an email so it doesn't get lost | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: take care! ;-) | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheers, I'm afk | 21:53 |
| eLtMosen | DocScrutinizer05, last question, where are you located? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/impressum | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so Germany, Nuernberg | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, as I stated yesterday: [2017-10-01 Sun 01:25:13] <DocScrutinizer05> ICBM target /49.448802,11.055081 | 21:57 |
| eLtMosen | nice!Far away from cologne to have a beer though ;) Good night all! | 22:03 |
| *** xes_ is now known as xes | 22:57 | |
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