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| pichlo | Hello everybody | 21:50 |
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| pichlo | If there is anybody here that is ;) | 21:50 |
| eekkelund | Hello! Me is here :D | 21:51 |
| pichlo | Wow, two of us! | 21:57 |
| eekkelund | Haha yay!:) So anything new in life?:D | 21:57 |
| juiceme_ | hi! | 22:05 |
| juiceme_ | pichlo o/ | 22:05 |
| juiceme_ | eekkelund o/ | 22:05 |
| eekkelund | juiceme_ \o | 22:05 |
| juiceme_ | that makes three-of-us :) | 22:05 |
| reinob | hey | 22:08 |
| juiceme_ | reinob o/ | 22:09 |
| eekkelund | Hi reinob! | 22:09 |
| juiceme_ | fabulous, everybody's attending :) | 22:09 |
| reinob | four of us :) | 22:09 |
| reinob | wanted to thank you guys for the organization of the competition. It worked very well. | 22:09 |
| reinob | and congrats to eekkelund for winning! :) | 22:10 |
| eekkelund | We still have to make winners to choose the device and ship them:) And thank you reinob!:D | 22:11 |
| eekkelund | I was thinking to donate my prize back to Maemo Community e.V. | 22:12 |
| juiceme_ | yes, the choosing/distribution is the next thing to do | 22:12 |
| juiceme_ | eekkelund, ! | 22:12 |
| juiceme_ | but it'd make a good start for next year's compettion then :) | 22:13 |
| reinob | eekkelund: your decision. I think you've deserved whatever prize you get | 22:13 |
| juiceme_ | indeed | 22:14 |
| eekkelund | Haha yeah! I would like to have Jolla1 Stella version and I could buy it. I have tablet and C and Aquafish andand Nnines, so don't need those :) | 22:14 |
| juiceme_ | the stella thing was only on sale in mainland china I tink | 22:16 |
| eekkelund | It was in Jolla store :) And I know person who could sell it to me :) | 22:16 |
| pichlo | I promised to check with Mrs pichlo which of my TOH I can donate and she said all of them! ;) | 22:25 |
| juiceme_ | neat! | 22:25 |
| pichlo | That would be one each of white, blue and black | 22:25 |
| juiceme_ | since I'd like to see everybody get something | 22:25 |
| pichlo | As soon as I find the black one :( | 22:25 |
| pichlo | Horrible mess in the house... | 22:26 |
| juiceme_ | how do you feel about the chemist's idea of maybe giving out some kind of "discount coupon" towards a SFOS sony purchase or something like that? | 22:26 |
| juiceme_ | the good thing in that idea is it does not incur any shipping costs :) | 22:26 |
| pichlo | Don't we have enough prizes? | 22:27 |
| juiceme_ | I thought about the raspb-PI's, but that does add up to some shoipping. | 22:27 |
| juiceme_ | *unless* | 22:27 |
| pichlo | I would be hesitant to sell hot air | 22:28 |
| juiceme_ | if we do so that we oder PI's to willing partiipants so that we pay the board+shipping directly to raspberry company | 22:28 |
| juiceme_ | pichlo, a good point too | 22:28 |
| juiceme_ | but we *do* have such statement in the competition orders, "There is no legal right to win" | 22:30 |
| juiceme_ | which I interpret as, we don't have to award more than what wh currently have, if we don't want to | 22:30 |
| pichlo | Sure, but I was talking about giving coupons for non-existent devices as prizes | 22:30 |
| juiceme_ | so even hot air is some comfort :) | 22:31 |
| pichlo | Someone may take that because they may think it is worth more convenient than a blue TOH and thus forfeit their prize when it all goes pear shaped | 22:33 |
| juiceme_ | ok, point well made | 22:33 |
| pichlo | 'convenient'? Where TF did that come from? | 22:33 |
| pichlo | i hate you, jolla keyboard! | 22:33 |
| juiceme_ | hahaa, what did you *mean* to write? | 22:34 |
| pichlo | 'worth more than...' | 22:34 |
| juiceme_ | ok, so what about pi's, or pi-zero's or something? | 22:38 |
| juiceme_ | I thikn pi-zero with shipping is not too expensive, would that suit as a prize? | 22:38 |
| reinob | how much does it cost? | 22:38 |
| juiceme_ | just a moment | 22:39 |
| eekkelund | pichlo, re TOHs, awesome! :) | 22:39 |
| eekkelund | juiceme_ I am not sure if it is possible to order more than 1 zero at time. Last time I checked, it was out of stock everywhere :D | 22:39 |
| juiceme_ | damn | 22:40 |
| eekkelund | Not sure tho | 22:40 |
| eekkelund | but normal Pis are easier :) | 22:40 |
| juiceme_ | zero's (just the board) is about 5 euros | 22:40 |
| juiceme_ | normal pi's are about 40 I think | 22:40 |
| reinob | at amazon.de pi zero set (with charger, case, hdmi cable, card, etc.) for EUR 29.49 | 22:40 |
| juiceme_ | PI model b is 25 euros | 22:41 |
| juiceme_ | and model 2B is a good device, I've got 2 of those :9 | 22:41 |
| juiceme_ | so with shipping it'd be maybe 35-40 | 22:42 |
| eekkelund | If it is possible to buy zeros then +1 from me :) | 22:42 |
| juiceme_ | have to check if those are available | 22:43 |
| pichlo | do people actually want pis? | 22:44 |
| juiceme_ | hmm, at last I do :) | 22:44 |
| juiceme_ | but I already got a bagful :) | 22:44 |
| reinob | good question. In the end money is more useful (gives freedom to choose), but it's kinda less "romantic" :) | 22:44 |
| juiceme_ | do you have anything better to suggest, maybe something more like a mobile device, that'd also be good idea | 22:45 |
| juiceme_ | yes, and we did make the decision that no monetary prizes are to be awarded. | 22:45 |
| reinob | I guess the combination of "hardware device" and "cheap" gives always raspberry pi. There may be alternatives, but if we have to pick one then go for the "standard". | 22:46 |
| pichlo | Dunno. I thought we had enough prizes as it is.. I counted 17 in juiceme's email alone. That's plenty for the first 8 in each category. | 22:48 |
| pichlo | I would not expect any prizes at all beyound the first 3 places. | 22:48 |
| reinob | how many participants did we have again? | 22:49 |
| reinob | 30+? | 22:49 |
| eekkelund | 32? | 22:49 |
| pichlo | 32 | 22:49 |
| reinob | OK so we need to decide how many in each of the two categories get a prize (3, 8, 16..) | 22:49 |
| pichlo | How about, "as many as there are prizes"? | 22:50 |
| reinob | having 17 prizes my vote is for 8, unless we add 3 things (pi's or whatever) so get make it 10 which is round and nice | 22:50 |
| reinob | s/so get/to/ :) | 22:51 |
| juiceme_ | any way we do it, someone is going to be a bit disappointed | 22:51 |
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| pichlo | I don't se why disappointed | 22:57 |
| pichlo | I would not expect any prizes beyound the 3rd pkace | 22:58 |
| pichlo | So anything beyond that is a bonus | 22:58 |
| pichlo | They should be happy, not disappointed! | 22:58 |
| reinob | +1. Like you said, I don't think anyone beyond 3rd prize has a reasonable expectation to get anything | 22:59 |
| juiceme | okay, it's settled then, we freeze the list of devices and let the choosing begin | 23:00 |
| eekkelund | Well.. when you put it that way.. :D But ofc it would be nice to have something for everyone | 23:00 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, that was my original thought, that everyone who participated would get something small to remember | 23:00 |
| reinob | I mean, we could just add 15 pi zeros and be all happy. But deciding on 15 "unique" additional prizes is maybe too much effort | 23:02 |
| reinob | maybe be an incentive for future participants in future competitions :) | 23:03 |
| pichlo | we can give them thr hot air ;) | 23:03 |
| pichlo | i mean sony coupons ;) | 23:03 |
| juiceme | heheh | 23:03 |
| pichlo | whatever we give the last 15, I would be reluctant to make it worth more than €10 | 23:07 |
| juiceme | sensible | 23:08 |
| pichlo | reason being, there are some TOHs on the list | 23:08 |
| juiceme | and the problem *is* the shipping costs | 23:08 |
| juiceme | care to hazard a guess what does it cost to ship an used N9 from philippines to germany? | 23:09 |
| juiceme | as we did reimburse shipping for a donated device... | 23:09 |
| pichlo | shouldn't be too difficult to find a philipino post service website to find out, no? | 23:10 |
| juiceme | oh yes, I know exactly what it costs, I just wanted to surprise you | 23:11 |
| eekkelund | Sorry I have to go now.. From me +1 for zeros IF shipping wont kill us and Board agrees :) | 23:11 |
| juiceme | ok, so we'll discuss this more | 23:12 |
| juiceme | pichlo, so I'll let you out of your misery :) | 23:12 |
| juiceme | it is under 100 euros :) | 23:12 |
| pichlo | nice ;) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | indeed | 23:16 |
| pichlo | looks like a good idea to keep the cash for shipping, then | 23:16 |
| pichlo | sorry, gotta go now | 23:16 |
| juiceme | OK, till later then | 23:16 |
| pichlo | parental duties | 23:17 |
| reinob | bye pichlo! | 23:17 |
| reinob | then I suppose we agree that if shipping allows, we buy zeroes such that all participants have one prize | 23:18 |
| reinob | but we don't know the shipping costs beforehand. We don't even know where the participants live (or want the prize to be shipped) | 23:18 |
| juiceme | yes, but I was counting on the fact that if we order the prize boards straight to recipient's address from the PI vendor, it would not cost so much | 23:20 |
| juiceme | as they probably have some kind of shipping deals | 23:20 |
| reinob | hopefully. we'd need to order them from the relevant shop (amazon/philippines or whatever :) | 23:21 |
| juiceme | as opposed to purchasing them and sending to recipients ourselves | 23:21 |
| reinob | but yeah, it's probably doable | 23:21 |
| reinob | for 32 prizes, we can assume average shipping of ~ EUR 10 (normally zero, sometimes 50 or whatever), so with EUR 300-500 we should be able to cover the shipping costs | 23:22 |
| reinob | it's still a lot of money, but OK | 23:22 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:22 |
| reinob | do we consider this decided? | 23:22 |
| juiceme | I'd say so, let's however do a round of mails with it tomorrow | 23:23 |
| reinob | OK | 23:23 |
| reinob | I would then leave now. Good night and thanks again for all you've done! | 23:24 |
| juiceme | nite all! | 23:37 |
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