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| eekkelund | Hello!:) | 21:33 |
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| reinob | hey | 21:40 |
| eekkelund | yea so topics of today are category order, voting, more prizes aand what else :) | 21:57 |
| reinob | should we wait until @juiceme comes (should be around 21:30 our time) | 22:00 |
| eekkelund | Yea sure :) | 22:16 |
| juiceme | hiya! | 22:22 |
| juiceme | how's everybody? | 22:22 |
| juiceme | reinob, hi | 22:23 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, hi | 22:23 |
| reinob | hi there! | 22:24 |
| juiceme | we sure got a lot of entries the last minute | 22:25 |
| juiceme | and still might get some :) | 22:25 |
| reinob | yup, I'm positively surprised! :) | 22:25 |
| eekkelund | Hi juice! | 22:27 |
| eekkelund | Yea I am very happy that we got quite nice amount of entries :) | 22:28 |
| juiceme | there are some categorically difficult cases, for example some of the entries in "beginner" category; how do we rate that they really are beginners? | 22:28 |
| eekkelund | entries to the beginners competition should be the authors first released coding project(s) for the Maemo or Mer-based platforms, and must have been first released between the competition start and end dates. | 22:29 |
| eekkelund | from wiki page | 22:29 |
| eekkelund | And voting btw: Only users of maemo.org who are registered at the start of the competition and have at least 10 karma at the time of voting are entitled to vote. | 22:30 |
| reinob | but e.g. ocsp (the music player) was already "released" in a talk.maemo.org thread | 22:30 |
| eekkelund | I was just wondering the same, I wouldn't count it. If there are some updates for that then it is Fixing category | 22:31 |
| reinob | s/ocsp/oscp/ | 22:32 |
| reinob | yup | 22:32 |
| eekkelund | It haven't been changed | 22:32 |
| juiceme | yes, agreed | 22:32 |
| reinob | are all current entries in the wiki? | 22:32 |
| eekkelund | Last time 01.07.2016 | 22:32 |
| juiceme | so we need to go thru each entry and correct the categories as we see best. | 22:32 |
| eekkelund | Thanks juice for keeping wiki up to date :) | 22:33 |
| reinob | I suggest we wait until the deadline is over, then update the wiki (thanks too :), and then each one of us sends an e-mail to the council with proposed category-corrections | 22:33 |
| juiceme | have tried to update them daily to the wiki :) | 22:33 |
| reinob | (if any) | 22:33 |
| juiceme | yes, sounds good | 22:33 |
| eekkelund | Sounds good :) | 22:34 |
| reinob | or we discuss it now, but the deadline is not over yet, and this way pichlo has also a chance to comment | 22:34 |
| juiceme | there's still just few hours to deadline, right? | 22:34 |
| eekkelund | 23.59 UTC | 22:34 |
| reinob | I'll be asleep at that time :) | 22:35 |
| eekkelund | So the oscp is not acceptable entry? | 22:36 |
| juiceme | mo too, thats still 3,5 hours away | 22:36 |
| eekkelund | I will release bugfix for tIDE before that :D | 22:37 |
| juiceme | not acceptable as beginner I think | 22:37 |
| reinob | oscp is OK but probably not as beginner but as update/fix | 22:37 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:37 |
| eekkelund | But it haven't even been updated | 22:37 |
| juiceme | hm, was that so? | 22:37 |
| juiceme | when was it released first tme? | 22:37 |
| eekkelund | Ah sorry | 22:38 |
| reinob | I didn't check. If the posted version is one that existed before the beginning of the competition then it would also not be a fix/update but merely a "re-releasing" | 22:38 |
| eekkelund | i was mistaken | 22:38 |
| eekkelund | I was trying to check source from here https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/ | 22:39 |
| reinob | latest version is from 29 January 2017 so OK | 22:39 |
| eekkelund | Yes yu are right, sorry | 22:40 |
| eekkelund | It is ok :) | 22:40 |
| reinob | for the record: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522575&postcount=254 | 22:41 |
| juiceme | oh | 22:44 |
| eekkelund | I am not sure if two last beginner entries are really beginner | 22:44 |
| juiceme | then it qualifies as "fix/update" | 22:44 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, I thouht the same | 22:44 |
| eekkelund | Feathers McGraw has released at least this app before | 22:45 |
| eekkelund | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96883 | 22:45 |
| eekkelund | And not sure about this, would it be new app or fixing/updating https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94326 | 22:46 |
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| reinob | so PingYou (from Feathers McGraw) is "something new" but not "from a beginner" | 22:48 |
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| reinob | what about the other thread? (justmemory with maemoneypot) | 22:49 |
| juiceme | yes, we probably don't have that many beginners among us :) | 22:49 |
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| reinob | will be back in a while | 22:53 |
| juiceme | has justmemory released before? | 22:53 |
| juiceme | and then again, [john_god / Mak] seems it *could* be beginner category | 22:55 |
| eekkelund | I would say that PingYou is something new :) | 22:55 |
| eekkelund | and did I understand that maemoneypot is rewrite of previous code? | 22:56 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, again it depends if Feathers McGraw gas released before | 22:57 |
| juiceme | and maemoneypot might be rewrite, but was the original one ever released or just written for own use? | 22:58 |
| eekkelund | juiceme, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96883 | 22:58 |
| juiceme | I've got a feeling sorting these all out are not so easy as I first thought :) | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | Haha I have same feeling :D | 22:59 |
| juiceme | ah, previous stuff from Feathers | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | maemoneypot (or the base of that?) has own thread started earlier | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | so I am not sure ?:D | 23:00 |
| juiceme | oh, we got a new entry there! :) | 23:00 |
| eekkelund | Yea Mak could be beginner, I can see from his github that he has tried to write harmattan app 2013?:D | 23:00 |
| eekkelund | YAY | 23:00 |
| eekkelund | Two more apps :D | 23:01 |
| juiceme | mmh.. maybe we should send mailto all contestants and ask for clarifiaction; why they think they fit t a category? | 23:01 |
| eekkelund | Sounds great idea | 23:02 |
| juiceme | ten we can shoot down their excuses :) | 23:02 |
| eekkelund | haha :D | 23:02 |
| juiceme | ok, updated @rasmarc's 2 applications to wiki | 23:06 |
| eekkelund | Oh thanks :) | 23:07 |
| juiceme | we got a whoppin' 29 entries now! | 23:07 |
| eekkelund | awesome!:) | 23:10 |
| eekkelund | juice would it be too much asked if you would write some kind of closing post? Finnish line crossed etc. now two weeks testing/review time and then voting time. Also we have to remind that for voting maemo.org account is needed with 10 karma, right? | 23:12 |
| juiceme | now we get to the prizes... so currently we definitely have not got enough stuff to go around. And I'd like to see everyone get *something* | 23:12 |
| eekkelund | If you are busy I can try to find time tomorrow/day after tomorrow to write it :) | 23:12 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, yes, I can do that | 23:12 |
| juiceme | that suits me too :) | 23:12 |
| eekkelund | Ooh awesome, thanks so much :) | 23:12 |
| juiceme | haha I was faster :) | 23:12 |
| juiceme | but yes, we can collaborate too if you'd like to, I can write up something and then send for review before publishing.. | 23:13 |
| eekkelund | hahahaa:D | 23:13 |
| eekkelund | Oh okay that sounds really good := | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | :) | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | And yea, it would be nice that everybody would get something | 23:14 |
| juiceme | about the prices; what do you think of the set of TOH's and other accessories, should they be bundled together with the 2 Jolla sbj1's we have or set each as a separate prize item? | 23:15 |
| juiceme | and even that way, there's not enough stuff to go around to everybody. | 23:16 |
| juiceme | There was this idea of purchasing a large boxfull of rasPI's or equal stuff | 23:16 |
| eekkelund | Hmm I didn't get what you mean :D RasPi's also sounds good | 23:17 |
| eekkelund | maemo.org stickers would be cool, but I don't know if we have time to get those?:) | 23:18 |
| reinob | sorry for the break.. longer than I wanted | 23:18 |
| reinob | have read the log | 23:18 |
| juiceme | reinob, :) | 23:19 |
| reinob | if, after we discuss within the council, we find some projects which do not fit in the given category or where is not clear, then we send the e-mail asking for clarification (unless it's really clear, in which case we send the e-mail as a non-appealable final decision :) | 23:20 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, what I mean by the acessories; there are 2 Jolla sbj1 devices, right? and then there are 7 TOH's. What I meant is that is each TOH one prize, or will we bundle them like 1 jolla + 3 TOH's andso on | 23:21 |
| reinob | good point. A TOH for somebody without a Jolla (or already with a TOH) is pretty useless :) | 23:22 |
| juiceme | reinob, I soggested we send email to all proponents after the deadline has cleared, and ask them to explain why they think their application fits a certain category | 23:22 |
| reinob | so I understood it. The thing is, maybe people find that offensive. So an option is to only send the e-mails where we think/suspect that the category is not right | 23:23 |
| juiceme | and also remind that "beginner" category means never released publicly before | 23:23 |
| juiceme | reinob, we send *polite* letters, not offensive :) | 23:24 |
| reinob | then it's OK :) | 23:25 |
| juiceme | so, there's 2 things to sort still I think; | 23:26 |
| juiceme | one is the need for more prizes | 23:26 |
| juiceme | and the other is the order between categories | 23:27 |
| juiceme | or, as we interleave them as I think was the decision, which is the order of interleave | 23:27 |
| juiceme | which is quite important IMHO as the first one ges to select first from the prize pile | 23:28 |
| reinob | I don't know what I said last week, but maybe as a test for internal consistency, I'll say now: 1. Beginner, 2. New, 3. Update/fix | 23:29 |
| * reinob checks log | 23:29 | |
| eekkelund | I would say same as reinob :) | 23:29 |
| reinob | oh, in the e-mail I wrote new > update > beginner | 23:31 |
| reinob | which is more "objective" in a sense, but beginner > new > update gives more weight to beginners, which sorta deserve it for, well, having begun :) | 23:31 |
| juiceme | well, it depens on whether we want to value beginner above others | 23:32 |
| reinob | so either more "objective" or more "nice" :) | 23:32 |
| reinob | eekkelund seems to be on the nice side :) | 23:32 |
| juiceme | and why not, sounds pretty fair to me | 23:32 |
| reinob | (and me today :) | 23:32 |
| reinob | juiceme seems to be also on the nice side :) | 23:32 |
| juiceme | so, but then we have to be really strict on the criteria of "beginner" | 23:32 |
| reinob | exactly | 23:33 |
| reinob | in our non-offensive letter we may also explain how the ranking is going to work | 23:33 |
| eekkelund | Okay I am very fine with new first, tIDE is in new category ;)) | 23:33 |
| reinob | so people know why category is of such critical relevance | 23:33 |
| reinob | that's NOT nice :)))))) | 23:33 |
| juiceme | as it means, the winner of the beginner category will be "de facto winner" of the Competition | 23:33 |
| eekkelund | but really beginner> new > update | 23:33 |
| juiceme | yes I agree, new should be valued higher than update | 23:34 |
| reinob | OK so who votes for beginner > new > update? | 23:35 |
| eekkelund | I don't like that we would have de facto winner.. All three winners are de facto winners IMO | 23:35 |
| * reinob says yup | 23:35 | |
| juiceme | well yes... BUT | 23:35 |
| juiceme | the first one takes the most valuable prize, right? | 23:35 |
| reinob | (somebody has to be the first to pick a prize from the pool, you he's the de facto winner) | 23:35 |
| juiceme | since there probably will be just one N950 | 23:35 |
| reinob | what juiceme said | 23:35 |
| eekkelund | Ahhhhhrgg :D true true | 23:36 |
| juiceme | however we set it up, somebody,s going to be upset :) | 23:37 |
| eekkelund | I am already :D | 23:37 |
| juiceme | haha | 23:37 |
| reinob | :) | 23:37 |
| juiceme | but hey, should we still ask for device donations? | 23:38 |
| juiceme | there are still some that are in the negotiations, not on the wiki list yes | 23:38 |
| juiceme | s/yes/yet | 23:38 |
| eekkelund | oh nice :) If there are enough funds, why not? :) | 23:39 |
| juiceme | and what about some inexpensive devices = raspi, raspi-zero | 23:39 |
| reinob | why not, the more the merrier. | 23:39 |
| reinob | The worst that can happen is that we end up with too many devices, but that's never a problem | 23:39 |
| juiceme | well the donations cover what we have secured, so we have not had to resort to existing funds, and originally it was decided that we *can* also take from existin funds | 23:40 |
| juiceme | so we have budet to spend. | 23:41 |
| juiceme | and we can *still* ask for more donations too | 23:41 |
| eekkelund | Okay +1 for more devices :) | 23:41 |
| reinob | I have no preference, really | 23:41 |
| reinob | but why not ask. +1 | 23:42 |
| juiceme | we could indeed do so, show that we have almost 30 worthy contestants, so now is the high time to loosen purse strings :) | 23:42 |
| reinob | yeah :) | 23:42 |
| juiceme | so, I suggest we also co-write that together before posting | 23:42 |
| chem|st | juiceme: n0x asked me if 85eur shipping is ok | 23:43 |
| chem|st | I told him to have another attempt with fedex and local post offices and then come back to me | 23:44 |
| juiceme | chem|st, sounds a lot really. Where's he on? | 23:44 |
| chem|st | philippines | 23:44 |
| juiceme | I know the couriers take that kind of money | 23:45 |
| chem|st | most of all, they asked him for a receipt | 23:45 |
| reinob | is that the N950? | 23:45 |
| juiceme | I went round once asking for how much is to send a JOlla sbj1 to HongKong, and it's about 100 euros. Asked from 7 different couriers.. :( | 23:45 |
| juiceme | reinob, nope, a N9/64G | 23:46 |
| chem|st | reinob: yes | 23:46 |
| chem|st | juiceme: hae I thought it is a n950 | 23:46 |
| reinob | alternative facts? | 23:46 |
| reinob | :) | 23:46 |
| eekkelund | Ah post asked for receipt? | 23:46 |
| juiceme | I'm quite sure it's N9 | 23:46 |
| reinob | OK | 23:46 |
| chem|st | you can get the last N9/16gb on banggood or dx | 23:46 |
| juiceme | what's wrong with a receipt? | 23:47 |
| chem|st | new | 23:47 |
| chem|st | juiceme: for an n950 it is wrong | 23:47 |
| juiceme | ah now I understood, they wanted to see *his* eceipt of purchase??? | 23:48 |
| juiceme | that's way silly, wht do tehy care | 23:48 |
| chem|st | it is to not sell tourist goods on ebay | 23:50 |
| chem|st | N9s are 113eur on dx.com | 23:51 |
| chem|st | new | 23:51 |
| eekkelund | Those are really valid? | 23:52 |
| chem|st | and a guy in .se bought one with it being set to chinese and no idea how to change the language | 23:53 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: dx.com is usually legit | 23:53 |
| chem|st | takes 3 weeks till it is shipped though | 23:53 |
| chem|st | wonder how the icons of a gear and a globe do not lead him to pick a language | 23:54 |
| eekkelund | Oh cool :) | 23:54 |
| juiceme | this shipping thing is really shitty part, might eat into our funds a lot if not thought out carefully | 23:54 |
| eekkelund | Haha:D | 23:54 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we need to consider the shipping we need to provide as well, how much is left on funding right now? | 23:55 |
| chem|st | the JollaCs by Jolla are shipped by Jolla, everything else is shipped by us | 23:55 |
| juiceme | well, for example even as n0x donated his device, it's crazy to use 100 euros for shipping | 23:57 |
| juiceme | how much is shipping from Germany, to where-ever in the world? | 23:57 |
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