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| eekkelund | Hi! I'll join little later :) | 21:51 |
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| juiceme | hiya! | 22:06 |
| eekkelund | anyone here?:) | 22:18 |
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| Win7Mac | HI! | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | sorry for being late | 22:26 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac :) | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | hi jussi | 22:29 |
| juiceme | nobody else here yet... :) | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, you around? | 22:29 |
| juiceme | he said he'd be back a while later | 22:30 |
| Win7Mac | right | 22:30 |
| eekkelund | Oh sorry :D | 22:41 |
| eekkelund | back :) | 22:41 |
| juiceme | eekkelund := | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | hi eekke... | 22:42 |
| eekkelund | Hi juice and Win7Mac | 22:42 |
| eekkelund | :) | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | how are you progressing with CC? | 22:43 |
| eekkelund | It is progressing but no news..:) | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | ok | 22:45 |
| eekkelund | I am sorry about minutes, I have been busy(like everybody:) ) and lazy.. Will do in the following week | 22:45 |
| juiceme | am looking forward to that :) | 22:46 |
| eekkelund | CC or minutes?:D | 22:46 |
| Win7Mac | well, both! ;) | 22:47 |
| juiceme | yesh :) | 22:47 |
| eekkelund | I have already idea what I will submitt to CC, but we(council) can't participate?:) | 22:48 |
| Win7Mac | sure we can | 22:48 |
| eekkelund | Ah okay! Nice :D | 22:48 |
| Win7Mac | since community votes, not council.. | 22:49 |
| eekkelund | yea true :) | 22:49 |
| eekkelund | Hmm how would the voting be done? Who would take responsibility of that?:) | 22:52 |
| eekkelund | And also accepting donations | 22:52 |
| Win7Mac | voting could be done with (council-) voting script | 22:53 |
| juiceme | yes, I think it'd be cool for council to compete too, but that leads to another question; should the entries be anonymous? (and if so, then it presents a HUGE problem on how to make that possible!) | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | accepting donations would be domain of board aka chem|st, juiceme and me (after GA) | 22:54 |
| juiceme | integrity of the voting is something that always has to be guaranteed, and I think that is accomplished by having more than one council member supervising the process | 22:55 |
| juiceme | it works with council elections, so should be trusted with competitions too | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | yes, council as whole will supervise | 22:56 |
| juiceme | so maybe I should abstain from cpompeting, just to make sure integrity is preserved | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | no?! | 22:57 |
| chem|st | hey | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | and entries shouldn't be anonymous | 22:59 |
| juiceme | chem|st :) | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | hi chem|st | 22:59 |
| chem|st | I throw in a dollar... not just 2c... voting engine in itself is built to be supervised by the whole community | 22:59 |
| chem|st | token system... | 22:59 |
| juiceme | chem|st, yes, that works pretty good. However any system is subvertable if desired | 23:00 |
| chem|st | so no issue with council members participating, but in your case juiceme, you are member of the BoD, that is a whole other story | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | why? | 23:00 |
| juiceme | true, so it still holds, I have no problem abstaining | 23:01 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: usually members of the company including relatives are excluded | 23:01 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, as a director and treasurer I am responsible for collecting and distributing prizes... | 23:01 |
| chem|st | juiceme: funds | 23:02 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:02 |
| chem|st | juiceme: there will be no monetary prizes for all I care | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | ok, but integrity of the voting will be guaranteed for boardies too, no? | 23:02 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: it is a courtesy call to not have members of the board participate | 23:03 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: accepting donations will work as follows, monetary donations will be said to be converted to physical prizes, there will be no refunding of any such donation and donations not marked as Competition Rewards will be taken as random donations and are not bound to the Competition or any future competition | 23:05 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: physical donations, just the same, if they are not shipped clearly marked as Competition Rewards Donation, they become property of MCeV and are not bound to be taken as Rewards for the Competition or any future competition | 23:06 |
| eekkelund | Okay thanks chem|st. Do you mean than all cash donations will be changed to devices or such? And can I put that^ to wiki page?:) | 23:08 |
| chem|st | funds and hardware, not directed towards the competition fond, may be used to support future developers on special tasks | 23:08 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: yes, we need to discuss what is possible and how to source (on it in some way already) | 23:10 |
| chem|st | from my point of view there will be no cash prizes | 23:11 |
| juiceme | it has been usual practice to have devices as prices in previous competieions | 23:12 |
| chem|st | juiceme: and I do not feel comfortable to change that | 23:12 |
| juiceme | yes... however there is the question *what* devices to allocate to *which* winners | 23:13 |
| juiceme | unless a preference for certain device is stated by the partakeres | 23:14 |
| chem|st | juiceme: think of an Aquafish for the first 1 in each category of sfos, an oneplusX for mer category, N9 16GB for MeeGo and N900 for Maemo | 23:15 |
| chem|st | juiceme: no cherry picking | 23:15 |
| chem|st | we will see what devices we get handed over, then we can decide what to put where and have other devices and gadgets ordered | 23:16 |
| chem|st | for example, we could have a TRI as a special price for of the charts security application etc | 23:17 |
| chem|st | don't set any limit to your imagination | 23:17 |
| juiceme | yes! assuming one can ever get hand on those... :) | 23:18 |
| eekkelund | ookay, but we have 3 categories: Something new, Fixing/Updating and Beginner. | 23:18 |
| chem|st | put out a JBL Charge 3 for the best music app | 23:18 |
| eekkelund | Yea but sounds good :) | 23:18 |
| eekkelund | 2 platforms: Maemo and Mer-based | 23:19 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: sure but do not limit your thinking, when I first started asking for interest I had like 4 N900s and 2 N9s ready for donation | 23:19 |
| eekkelund | Yea I got your point now, and like it | 23:19 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: have an asteroidOS category open, and any yet unported but portable watch as prize | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Coding_Competition_2016#Devices_.26_Platforms | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | Devices & Platforms | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | Maemo | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | Includes all Maemo devices and MeeGo Harmattan devices. | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | Mer-based | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | Includes all Mer-based devices. E.g. SailfishOS, NemoMobile, AsteroidOS etc. | 23:20 |
| chem|st | once we get there I am sure we will figure out what to put out where and I feel that the community support will be awesome once we actually put it in motion | 23:21 |
| eekkelund | Yea :) | 23:21 |
| chem|st | well then have the 1st 2nd and 3rd have prizes | 23:21 |
| chem|st | don't start with a limitation | 23:22 |
| eekkelund | Devices & Platforms should be moved ?:) | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | will come back in a minute | 23:23 |
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| chem|st | eekkelund: ? | 23:23 |
| eekkelund | what do you mean by this | 23:24 |
| eekkelund | 23:22 < chem|st> don't start with a limitation | 23:24 |
| juiceme | we decided to limit competition categories as the first round-of-thinking there were too many | 23:25 |
| chem|st | Well that it is Maemo++ only can be set straight... | 23:25 |
| chem|st | juiceme: to start with this is ok but it does not hurt to tell that if submissions exceed our expectations each category of the following might get a special rating eg Location/Multimedia/Security/Arts/Games | 23:27 |
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| chem|st | so limit the start but not the outcome, if we get 10 Multimedia submissions and enough funds we can easily split them out of the something new/old/used/lend | 23:28 |
| chem|st | fixing updating might als be weighted by its importance, a working current kernel for Jolla1 would probably be rather important, but not have direct impact on avg joe and so on | 23:31 |
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| eekkelund | But how it would be weighted? Voters have one vote, all votes are equal? | 23:33 |
| chem|st | so I gotta check out, just keep in mind that "not limiting" does not mean to not set clear boundaries, just leave an open outcome, and most importantly, communicate that it may be spread open once contribution exceed a threshold | 23:33 |
| eekkelund | I was trying to at least little bit "unlimit" by explaining those categories in wiki. :) | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | Something new | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | In this category all new creations, for example applications, device ports, cross-platform, any kind hacks, and et cetera, are viable. | 23:34 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: no idea, lines of code changes in git? | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | Fixing/Updating | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | Anykind of fixes, updates, backporting, exploiting/reverse engineering closed packages in to this category. | 23:34 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, yes I think it is important to have every vote as equal | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | Beginners | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | First contribution | 23:34 |
| chem|st | bb | 23:35 |
| juiceme | but it should be possible to vote for entries in different categories, so it is not limited as "1 vote per person" | 23:35 |
| eekkelund | chem|st: but who is judging if eg. I make 10lines changes in git to SFOS stock browser and it enables copy/pasting, and juice makes 1000line changes to something less visible(example kernel :) ). So who judges that other one has more weight? | 23:38 |
| eekkelund | juiceme: so all voters would have one vote / category ?:) | 23:39 |
| juiceme | I think so, yes | 23:40 |
| juiceme | could that cause problems? | 23:40 |
| eekkelund | I like the idea:) Could it cause problems to voting engine? | 23:41 |
| juiceme | nope, as we can set each category as it's own voting I think | 23:41 |
| juiceme | as for the example you had, which is to be judged winner; the small effective change or large invisible; let the people decide it all :) | 23:42 |
| juiceme | OFC the developer is free to elaborate how the enhancement works and what the benefits are | 23:43 |
| eekkelund | Okay cool:) And yes I agree with people deciding! | 23:43 |
| eekkelund | We should start asking/accepting donations only after publishing competition? | 23:45 |
| juiceme | yes, probably best to do it that way | 23:46 |
| eekkelund | Okay:) | 23:47 |
| eekkelund | But I will go to sleep now:) | 23:48 |
| eekkelund | good night | 23:48 |
| juiceme | gnite! | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | bye | 23:50 |
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