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| juiceme | hiya! | 21:32 |
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| juiceme | what's the time now, am I early? | 21:32 |
| eekkelund | Hello! | 21:32 |
| juiceme | :) | 21:32 |
| reinob | Hi guys! | 21:33 |
| juiceme | reinob :) | 21:33 |
| eekkelund | Hi reinob :) | 21:35 |
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| Win7Mac | hi! | 21:35 |
| reinob | hi Win7Mac! | 21:35 |
| eekkelund | Hi !:) | 21:36 |
| Win7Mac | how's things going? | 21:39 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi! | 21:42 |
| Win7Mac | howdy! | 21:42 |
| juiceme | so we're here all in good time except for @pichlo | 21:49 |
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| juiceme | pichlo, hi :) | 21:55 |
| pichlo | hi | 21:55 |
| reinob | hey | 21:55 |
| pichlo | what did I miss? | 21:55 |
| reinob | so far, nothing! :) | 21:56 |
| pichlo | what, DE is not the champion yet? ;) | 21:57 |
| pichlo | (sorry!) | 21:58 |
| juiceme | heh | 21:59 |
| juiceme | I was for some reason so sure today would be WAL-POR but it is tomorrow... | 22:00 |
| juiceme | nothing special going on yet. | 22:01 |
| pichlo | yeah, some unexpected events in the past couple of weeks | 22:02 |
| juiceme | mmh | 22:02 |
| pichlo | any burning topics to discuss today? | 22:02 |
| pichlo | I /still/ got no response from techstaff by email | 22:03 |
| pichlo | I take it they ignore everything that is not IRC | 22:03 |
| pichlo | last thing I heard was last week from reinob | 22:05 |
| pichlo | about https | 22:05 |
| pichlo | that sounded good | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | remind them then? | 22:06 |
| juiceme | keep on reminding :) | 22:08 |
| juiceme | and maybe ask on IRC also... | 22:08 |
| reinob | guess they are working on it.. but so far no feedback | 22:09 |
| pichlo | hmm, OK | 22:09 |
| pichlo | I can, but do not want to duplicate efforts | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st: ping | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | kind reminder about GA invitation... | 22:10 |
| pichlo | can we recapitulate what we know? | 22:11 |
| pichlo | https, check (in progress) | 22:11 |
| pichlo | bitcoin, irrelevant | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, ping ping ping! | 22:11 |
| pichlo | tor ? | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | bitcoin isn't irrelevant, but probably not urgent | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | tor issue seems important to me | 22:13 |
| pichlo | garage spam? not that much any more | 22:13 |
| pichlo | important, but what do we know? | 22:13 |
| pichlo | techstaff position, that is? | 22:14 |
| juiceme | who's AP it was to check if tor hiddden service is doable? | 22:15 |
| juiceme | cannot remember | 22:15 |
| pichlo | mine, AFAIR | 22:19 |
| pichlo | that's the aforementioned email I had no reply to yet ;) | 22:19 |
| juiceme | OK | 22:20 |
| juiceme | I hope we get conclusion on that, too | 22:20 |
| pichlo | but I have a faint recollection reinob mentioned something about R/O access last week | 22:20 |
| juiceme | yes, that's the safe alternative, to minimize spamfests using TOR | 22:21 |
| juiceme | so readonly access from tor endpoints | 22:21 |
| juiceme | however, if TMO is set up as hidden service (accessible from *inside* tor network) I think that could as well be set up as read/write access | 22:22 |
| pichlo | ahh, OK | 22:23 |
| juiceme | since spammers are pretty dumb/nontechical and probably cannot figure out how to use a hiden service :) | 22:23 |
| juiceme | hidden service is what sometimes is referred as the darknet | 22:24 |
| juiceme | or parts of it are | 22:24 |
| juiceme | lots of legitimate stuff there also | 22:24 |
| juiceme | and lots of not-so-legal-stuff | 22:25 |
| pichlo | I admit I am totally clueless about these things :( | 22:25 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:26 |
| pichlo | no, seriously | 22:27 |
| pichlo | perhaps not the mist qualified to talk to techstaff | 22:27 |
| pichlo | *most | 22:27 |
| juiceme | well, so am I until I try to do something. It's good though to notice that one can still learn a lot. | 22:28 |
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| juiceme | pichlo, on mobile? | 22:30 |
| pichlo | sure | 22:30 |
| pichlo | as always | 22:30 |
| pichlo | from the ice rink | 22:30 |
| juiceme | I tried the sailfish-irc-client too | 22:31 |
| juiceme | noticed that it is fairly limited, not everything in IRC protocol implemented | 22:31 |
| pichlo | gotta go now, will try to reconnect in 30 min | 22:31 |
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| juiceme | ok, safe travel. | 22:31 |
| eekkelund | Hmm.. CC.. Where to start organizing it ? What to do first, any suggestions to get me going :) | 22:38 |
| juiceme | well, updating the wiki page is probably the most essential thing | 22:39 |
| juiceme | since that defines what we are after | 22:39 |
| eekkelund | Hmm okay, I will start with that :) So are we deciding that we have four categories? "Something new, Fixing/updating, Beginner and Whislist" | 22:43 |
| juiceme | yes, that was the decision I think. it's good to have somewhat limited number of categories or the whole thing will blow up | 22:44 |
| eekkelund | True:) | 22:45 |
| reinob | yup AFAIR those were the four categories | 22:45 |
| eekkelund | I will edit the wiki. Hmm what about then the prizes? And who will handle them? | 22:46 |
| juiceme | money or devices, that's the question :) | 22:50 |
| eekkelund | Or both? :) | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | MC eV board (aka juiceme + chem|st since warfare is pretty absent) might be willing to help | 22:51 |
| reinob | money is a lot easier to handle (transfer, divide, etc.) but has less "class" compared to devices, which are however much harder to handle.. | 22:51 |
| reinob | we could use money as input (community donate to board), then board buys devices using that money | 22:52 |
| eekkelund | If we will even get any device donations :) Money is easier, true. But for example if RasPis are used as prize, those could be ordered from shop straight to winners address | 22:53 |
| juiceme | true. and some nice but non-expensive stuff like pi's, arduinos, ruuvitags, whatever is neat for anybody IMHO | 22:55 |
| reinob | I agree. Don't understand the "but" however. Maemo board gets the money and then either buy and send or "buy-send" directly, as appropriate. | 22:55 |
| eekkelund | Sorry, "but" was typo :D | 22:57 |
| reinob | ah OK. wasn't sure if I read it correctly. have a few things in my head at the moment.. | 22:57 |
| eekkelund | Okay, so money donations :) | 22:57 |
| eekkelund | For what devices one can develop? | 22:58 |
| reinob | if someone is really keen in donating a device, he could always send it to the maemo board | 22:58 |
| eekkelund | maemo,meego,nemo&sfos? | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | okay :) | 22:59 |
| reinob | maemo and family? | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | is e.g. asteroidos maemo family? | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | Tizen? :DD | 22:59 |
| reinob | hmmm | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | All mer based? | 22:59 |
| juiceme | all mer-based is OK for me | 23:00 |
| eekkelund | +1 | 23:00 |
| juiceme | ah, and of course older devices | 23:00 |
| juiceme | pre-mer, as it is :) | 23:00 |
| reinob | OK then maemo, meego and mer-based | 23:00 |
| eekkelund | pre-mer and mer :D | 23:00 |
| reinob | meego as in harmattan. AFAIK no useful device came with "pure" meego | 23:01 |
| eekkelund | I have Meego on my t60 thinkpad :D | 23:01 |
| reinob | but harmattan is maemo6, so maemo and mer-based then | 23:01 |
| eekkelund | :D True | 23:02 |
| eekkelund | If maemo + mer-based is okay, what about estimated time-frame? | 23:04 |
| juiceme | how about entering something already released? | 23:07 |
| juiceme | or does it have to be new *now* | 23:07 |
| eekkelund | What do you mean?:) | 23:07 |
| juiceme | there needs to be defined period for entry, then period for testing and review, and finally voting | 23:08 |
| juiceme | so if we like start now, what is acceptable, something that was released last december? | 23:08 |
| juiceme | or only something that is released last month. | 23:09 |
| juiceme | or next month :) | 23:09 |
| reinob | I guess it makes sense to define "new" as release after official announcement of the competition | 23:09 |
| reinob | s/release/released/ | 23:09 |
| juiceme | yes, but that means it needs to be something that has been in-the-making for some time | 23:10 |
| reinob | yeah. it depends on how much time we allow from announcement until deadline for submissions (3 months?) | 23:10 |
| juiceme | if someone thinks, wow, I'll make a wuick application now and enter it, then she'll have a really hurry busy time to get it ready :) | 23:11 |
| eekkelund | I agree with reinob. We have to decide time between announcement to deadline | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | So if we announce it tomorrow, I have time to submit my codings from tomorrow to ending date | 23:15 |
| juiceme | to ending of submission, yes | 23:16 |
| juiceme | then there has to be period of testing and verifying the entries | 23:17 |
| juiceme | and finally voting period | 23:17 |
| eekkelund | yeah | 23:17 |
| eekkelund | So any suggestions on dates ? :P | 23:18 |
| juiceme | well submission period should be longish | 23:18 |
| juiceme | then few weeks for testing | 23:18 |
| juiceme | and a week for voting | 23:18 |
| juiceme | how does that sound? | 23:19 |
| reinob | we could say: announce end of july. deadline for submissions end of october. november for testing. december voting and prizes are there for christmas :) | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | juiceme +1 reinob ++1 | 23:21 |
| eekkelund | If we get everything ready before end of July :) | 23:22 |
| reinob | only the announcement. the money/devices can be prepared during the time for submissions and testing | 23:22 |
| eekkelund | Truue:) | 23:23 |
| eekkelund | Okay nice :) | 23:23 |
| juiceme | sounds viable to me. +1 | 23:24 |
| eekkelund | Then voting, is the same as used in elections easy to implement | 23:24 |
| reinob | right. and at least I now know how it works :) | 23:24 |
| juiceme | yes, that has been used before. | 23:25 |
| reinob | (I think it's always a good idea to take things off juiceme, otherwise he'd do everything :) | 23:25 |
| eekkelund | Oh yeah one thing also, do we accept closed source? I think we do accept, but we encourage to use open source:) | 23:25 |
| eekkelund | Okay nice !=) | 23:25 |
| juiceme | well, I'd like to ban closed-source, but it will create a hulaballoo if I announce it so :) | 23:26 |
| reinob | OK with closed source. People might use that as an argument pro/con when voting | 23:26 |
| reinob | so up to each to decide | 23:26 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:26 |
| eekkelund | Yeah, I would also to like ban closed-source, but we need participants :) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | hey, seems it's my bedtime soon, so anything else? | 23:28 |
| reinob | I imagine most will be open source. But if we make a point of it (ban or so) then we may spark a discussion we don't need. People will now what to vote for and why. | 23:28 |
| juiceme | reinob +1 | 23:28 |
| eekkelund | I will try to write wiki before next meeting, we could decide actual dates on next meeting? | 23:29 |
| reinob | for now we can close. tor/https I expect chem|st to say something someday. It's not so urgent anyway. Otherwise I will see if I can ping him one of these days | 23:29 |
| eekkelund | reinob +2 | 23:29 |
| reinob | eekelund +1! | 23:29 |
| juiceme | ok, nite! | 23:29 |
| reinob | then we can call it meeting | 23:29 |
| reinob | good night! | 23:29 |
| eekkelund | Oh and I have to write minutes.. :D | 23:29 |
| eekkelund | yeah good night :) | 23:29 |
| reinob | :) | 23:29 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, have some time to sleep yourself :) | 23:30 |
| eekkelund | ofc ;) | 23:30 |
| * Win7Mac is pleased to see CC enfold... :) | 23:49 | |
| Win7Mac | thanks & gnite | 23:49 |
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