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| eekkelund | Hjellou :) | 21:31 |
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| Win7Mac | Ahoi :) | 21:32 |
| eekkelund | Whatsup?:) | 21:37 |
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| pichlo | hello, anybody here? | 21:52 |
| eekkelund | Hello pichlo :) | 21:53 |
| juiceme | hi! | 21:54 |
| eekkelund | Hello :) | 21:54 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, thanks for the minutes, look OK to me :) | 21:58 |
| pichlo | yes, me too! | 21:59 |
| Win7Mac | back again... | 21:59 |
| Win7Mac | hi everybody | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, eekkelund, many thanks! | 22:00 |
| pichlo | looks like I missed some interesting discussions last week | 22:00 |
| pichlo | sorry, had to cut it short | 22:00 |
| juiceme | pichlo, oh which ones? | 22:00 |
| pichlo | about a certain TMO member | 22:01 |
| juiceme | ah yes, same thing you had previously raised :) | 22:04 |
| pichlo | I did??? | 22:05 |
| pichlo | damb, that German guy must be striking again! | 22:06 |
| pichlo | damn | 22:06 |
| eekkelund | Oh my pleasure :D I posted them to maemo.org couple h ago :) | 22:07 |
| juiceme | what? | 22:07 |
| pichlo | what what, juiceme? | 22:08 |
| juiceme | pichlo> damb, that German guy must be striking again! | 22:08 |
| juiceme | that one | 22:08 |
| Win7Mac | sorry, had to finish this post: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1507182#post1507182 | 22:08 |
| pichlo | juiceme, you don't know him? | 22:09 |
| pichlo | he follows people about and hides things | 22:09 |
| juiceme | ok | 22:09 |
| pichlo | Alz... something | 22:09 |
| juiceme | ah, that one! | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | what? who? | 22:10 |
| juiceme | yes, very good friend of mine, too | 22:10 |
| eekkelund | Hahahahahaa | 22:10 |
| juiceme | :P | 22:12 |
| juiceme | BTW, something for the agenda; chemist sent me tha application form for the maemo community tax-exempt status. | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | great | 22:16 |
| juiceme | I need to apply our finanical reports for the past 2 years to complete it, as far as I understood | 22:16 |
| juiceme | so I'll try to sort it out soonish | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:17 |
| Win7Mac | great, in fact | 22:17 |
| Win7Mac | if warfare doesn't react... | 22:17 |
| juiceme | I think it's not needed, I can handle it | 22:18 |
| pichlo | juiceme, that's great! | 22:18 |
| pichlo | I take it you don't have kids, do you? ;) | 22:18 |
| Win7Mac | "not needed"... you read my mail I guess | 22:19 |
| Win7Mac | please let's stayy focussed this time | 22:19 |
| juiceme | pichlo, in fact I do... my secret is that I don't sleep that much | 22:19 |
| Win7Mac | HA! | 22:20 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, yes I read, thanks | 22:20 |
| pichlo | I wish I could! | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | thanks ;) | 22:20 |
| juiceme | well I do sleep about 5h per day, and that leaves somewhat more active time than for average people. | 22:20 |
| juiceme | Granted there are downsides, I do tend to act like a zombie a lot :) | 22:21 |
| reinob | hi guys | 22:21 |
| juiceme | reinob :) | 22:21 |
| pichlo | I act like a zombie with my 6-7h :( | 22:21 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | hi reinob | 22:22 |
| pichlo | but I promise to sort out my backlog 'soon' too! | 22:22 |
| eekkelund | Hello reinob :) | 22:22 |
| pichlo | hi reinob | 22:22 |
| reinob | re. tax-exemption: what does that bring? we don't have any sort of income | 22:22 |
| pichlo | good question | 22:23 |
| juiceme | we have donations, if that counts | 22:23 |
| pichlo | I was about to mention that | 22:23 |
| pichlo | for trademark renewal, for example | 22:24 |
| reinob | yup, good enough. I'm convinced.. | 22:24 |
| pichlo | how did that end, btw? | 22:24 |
| pichlo | sorry the silly question, I lost track | 22:25 |
| reinob | you mean the tm renewal? | 22:25 |
| juiceme | yes, we got the TM renewal | 22:25 |
| Win7Mac | the real plus is that every donator can get a tax-deduction of that amount | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | *for | 22:26 |
| juiceme | and ownership has been transferred to us from Nokia | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | yeah! | 22:26 |
| reinob | I'm already (mostly) exempt so I don't get any advantage from donations.. | 22:26 |
| eekkelund | Niice :) | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | it could be interesting for companies too | 22:27 |
| juiceme | being tax-exempt meand we're a degistered charity. Like Red Cross :) | 22:27 |
| Win7Mac | right | 22:27 |
| pichlo | all excellent | 22:28 |
| reinob | save those n900 from dying? fvck the polar bears! :) | 22:28 |
| juiceme | exactly! | 22:28 |
| juiceme | well save | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | the downside is it'll mean *a lot* more paperwork | 22:28 |
| juiceme | well save 'em both of course | 22:28 |
| reinob | yup, do we have a resident expert? (not me..) | 22:29 |
| juiceme | your's truly :) | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | and hassle with the finance office | 22:29 |
| * reinob thought polar bear population is actually increasing, but should avoid the topic | 22:29 | |
| pichlo | juiceme, WOW! | 22:29 |
| juiceme | well not an expert really yet, but learning :) | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | so it'll definately mean extra work | 22:30 |
| juiceme | actually I wouldn't be surprised if we had a professional account manager among our maemo users, we'd only need to fish him/her out :) | 22:30 |
| pichlo | good luck with that :( | 22:31 |
| * Win7Mac is looking at reinob :) | 22:31 | |
| juiceme | mmh, true. and someone doing the stuff for living probably is not want to do it for hobby... | 22:32 |
| pichlo | quite... | 22:32 |
| pichlo | sorry, got to go again | 22:33 |
| pichlo | I promise to come back with some news the next time ;) | 22:34 |
| pichlo | ttfn | 22:34 |
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| reinob | what do you mean looking at me? I'm not an accountant! | 22:34 |
| juiceme | heh, but you do have considerable expertise on filling out legal docs... | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | was thinking something around that | 22:35 |
| reinob | not really, I'm a patent examiner (EPO). Even my German is not that good. My daughters keep correcting me all the time.. | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | ok then, had some high hopes I guess... | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | no prob | 22:36 |
| reinob | and I don't even have to do the tax declaration, most years anyway | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | we could ask community, esp. germans/aussies/swiss | 22:37 |
| reinob | yup | 22:37 |
| juiceme | well, I have done taxes every year, even though they have simplifies it in finland over the years | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | :) | 22:38 |
| juiceme | hey, just noticed that dave's thread has been moved to off-topic, excellent. | 22:39 |
| reinob | :) | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | yeah | 22:39 |
| juiceme | (been so busy even have not read TMO for 2..3 days) | 22:39 |
| * reinob will come back in 10min or so | 22:40 | |
| Win7Mac | he settled over and is already aggitating in https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96826 | 22:41 |
| juiceme | now threre's one thing I'm wondering, just thought about it when the thread in question was moved. | 22:45 |
| Win7Mac | now you got me... | 22:46 |
| Win7Mac | curious | 22:46 |
| juiceme | as it is fairly long thread, over 600 pages and been going on for ages, a lot of posts have been thanked and people have gathered thanks. | 22:46 |
| Win7Mac | is that lost? | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | was wondering too | 22:47 |
| juiceme | now what happens to the accumulated thanks'es when the thread is off-topiced? | 22:47 |
| eekkelund | I don't think so | 22:47 |
| juiceme | at least all thanks have disappeared from the posts, don't know about gained points | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | *karma-points | 22:49 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:50 |
| reinob | I don't think I ever posted on that thread, but at least my thanks counter has not changed. | 22:50 |
| juiceme | and this thing is important to know about (how it is handled) since karma points are important part of the community | 22:50 |
| juiceme | I think it might be that persnal points remain. | 22:51 |
| reinob | I want to believe that the thanks counter is kept somewhere and not calculated dynamically based on the current number of thanked posts, etc. so even deleting a thread should not affect the thanks (and hence the karma, which is calculated dynamically) | 22:52 |
| reinob | we can do a test | 22:52 |
| juiceme | for example @pichlo, he's still got 10561 points and he has gained a lot from that thread too | 22:52 |
| juiceme | reinob, exactly my thought | 22:52 |
| juiceme | but still worth finding out for sure | 22:53 |
| eekkelund | Like otsaloma's posts were accidently deleted but he still has his likes :) | 22:53 |
| Win7Mac | would be nice | 22:53 |
| juiceme | ah, that's true, | 22:53 |
| juiceme | I think @otsaloma proves the point | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | accidently deleted? | 22:54 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | what was the issue with otsaloma? | 22:54 |
| juiceme | there was this shitstorm of spam few weeks back | 22:54 |
| juiceme | and mods were very busy deleting the new spams | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | aha :O | 22:55 |
| juiceme | and spammers, there's a feature in moderator toolbox that you can flush all posts by some one and fireban them | 22:55 |
| juiceme | and that tool was misfired | 22:56 |
| juiceme | :( | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | huh | 22:56 |
| juiceme | accidenatlly deleting @otsaloma | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | and why? | 22:56 |
| juiceme | accident | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | what did he actually post? | 22:56 |
| juiceme | also, the tool's supposed to have a safety catch that prevents deleting accounts older than a month or so, | 22:57 |
| juiceme | but the safety did not work | 22:57 |
| juiceme | he posted no spam, and nothing related. It was collateral damage, misfire of the heaavy ion beam cannon | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | hahahahaha, ok got it | 22:58 |
| juiceme | and database backup could not be used for some reason | 22:58 |
| juiceme | so basically he was wiped out and nuked. | 22:59 |
| juiceme | account could be recovered, but all posts were unlinked and could not be saved | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | ok, so is this an issue at all we need to adress techstaff? | 22:59 |
| juiceme | techstaff knows about it | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | ah, sure | 23:00 |
| juiceme | since the account was recovered | 23:00 |
| juiceme | as for if it can be prevented in the future, idk | 23:01 |
| eekkelund | So I will change topic :D | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | me/ stares at eekkelund | 23:05 |
| eekkelund | What could I (and we) do to make coding competition happen? | 23:05 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac, I have curtains closed ;) | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | hehe | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | idk really, you could engage in mentioned thread and simply push it | 23:07 |
| Win7Mac | *keep it alive and going | 23:08 |
| Win7Mac | and bring the needed organasation forward | 23:09 |
| eekkelund | Hmm, I will also push it in Jolla fanclub telegram group | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | like forwarding devices etc. | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | Be aware that you really need to pull through, no matter if you are in next Council term or not | 23:11 |
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| juiceme | M4rtinK, hi :) | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | community can only assist, I believe, council will support and assist too, but someone needs to pick the topic and lead it | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | Hmhm:) | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | at least that's my consideration of the situation | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | I've had my try, Council was with me and we started it, but community response was kind a frustating, at least to me | 23:16 |
| juiceme | fair enough. It seems generally populace is really passive. :( | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | i mean everybody wants it | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | ...or would support it, but when it comes to responsibility or actual work... :( | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | work = organising/spending time | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | ...finally handling devices, postage, tax blabla... | 23:19 |
| eekkelund | What could I do in practice? | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | YOU TELL ME! | 23:20 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:20 |
| juiceme | raise the awareness on TMO, get people personally signed up to *doing* something, maybe? | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | First, I guess, thoroughly think the whole process from beginning to end | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | what is needed in practice? | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | i never did a CC myself, so my experience is zero | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | mentioned that we could try contacting former organisers | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | there are wiki-pages about recent CC's | 23:24 |
| eekkelund | :D Okay. What is needed in practice is also my question :) | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | understood and my answer is: think it through thoroughly and do it | 23:25 |
| Win7Mac | i can't tell you really | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | start with https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=coding+competition&go=Go | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | It'd be great if you took the initiative, I'm 100% sure everybody will support you | 23:28 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | me first, ofc... ;) | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | really, I'd be very much delighted if you get it going | 23:29 |
| eekkelund | Okay thanks:) I would love to take this but I am not sure am I enough to do it :D | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | :( | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | Think about, we WILL help, you just need to lead... | 23:34 |
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| Win7Mac | sleep over it | 23:35 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB too is always helpfull when it comes to send devices around | 23:35 |
| Win7Mac | we "simply" need to organise esp. the ugly stuff like postage, taxes etc. | 23:37 |
| eekkelund | I promise to think, and I would love to see this happen :) I voted to that TMO poll that I would take part so I could take part by helping to organize competition :D | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | well, that's a start at least, go ahead! | 23:39 |
| reinob | thanks a lot eekkelund! | 23:39 |
| reinob | gotta leave now.. | 23:39 |
| reinob | good night | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | bye reinob | 23:40 |
| eekkelund | Bye :) | 23:40 |
| juiceme | OK, so let's close the meeting then for now | 23:43 |
| juiceme | nite all! | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | thanks everybody, gnite! | 23:44 |
| eekkelund | Goog night :) | 23:44 |
| eekkelund | Thanks | 23:44 |
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