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| eekkelund | Helo anybody here?:) | 21:38 |
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| reinob | hello. I'm here but currently quite busy. Will connect back in a few minutes | 21:38 |
| Win7Mac | hi! | 21:38 |
| eekkelund | Just came home | 21:39 |
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| pichlo | Hello everyone! Sorry I'm late. What did I miss? | 22:08 |
| eekkelund | Hi :) Nothing yet | 22:08 |
| Win7Mac | hi pichlo | 22:09 |
| pichlo | Phew! ;) BTW the later I came the sooner I will leave. Not feeling tip top today. Manflu. | 22:10 |
| pichlo | hi Wi7Mac | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | any topics from your side, pichlo, eekkelund? | 22:11 |
| pichlo | is it possible to edit the line I just posted? | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | nope | 22:11 |
| pichlo | pity :( | 22:11 |
| reinob | I'll join in ~10min | 22:11 |
| pichlo | no news from me, sorry | 22:11 |
| eekkelund | Coding competition | 22:12 |
| eekkelund | ?:) | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | it's auto-logged... http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/ | 22:12 |
| eekkelund | How we can make it happen?:) | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | I wanted a Coding competition too, but we figured it is very cumbersome | 22:13 |
| pichlo | eekkelund, what do you propose for prizes? | 22:13 |
| Win7Mac | community feedback was also quite low | 22:14 |
| pichlo | I am happy to contribute cash if necessary. But I can't give too much. €20 tops. | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | http://talk.maemo.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=818 | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | I guess we could manage to collect donations (cash + devices) | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | MC eV also has some cash and would be willing to fund prices | 22:16 |
| pichlo | That poll does not look as bad as you make it sound. | 22:16 |
| reinob | hey there | 22:17 |
| pichlo | Mostly yes and maybe | 22:17 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac: mm true :/ Maybe we need more marketing? Also with sfos people; TJC,telegram group maybe? | 22:17 |
| eekkelund | pichlo: devices? cash? | 22:17 |
| reinob | I can only report that in the end I didn't get around to asking techstaff about tor and ssl | 22:17 |
| reinob | surprise family visit | 22:17 |
| pichlo | hi reinob, similar here | 22:18 |
| eekkelund | BTW I got N950 yesterday ::)) | 22:18 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, nobody will stop you ;) | 22:18 |
| pichlo | surprice influx of work | 22:18 |
| pichlo | eekkelund, congrats, I guess ;) | 22:18 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, how much was it? | 22:19 |
| eekkelund | Devices = donations if we get, maybe Raspberry Pis? | 22:20 |
| eekkelund | Thanks, it was not much............... | 22:21 |
| pichlo | Re prizes, I suggest cash. There are no coveted devices around like the N950 used to be and everyone already has a Jolla. RasPi might work though. | 22:21 |
| reinob | I can contribute cash as well. | 22:21 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, lucky you, how's the condition? | 22:21 |
| Win7Mac | Intex... | 22:22 |
| eekkelund | If lucky we would be lucky Jolla C/AquaFish phones also? | 22:23 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac veryvery good. Sadly previous owner didnt remember device lock so it is locked now.... | 22:24 |
| Win7Mac | ouch | 22:24 |
| eekkelund | It has some early version of meego. But I think i have to flash it, if I can | 22:24 |
| eekkelund | hopefully I can | 22:25 |
| reinob | no experience with N950, but good luck! | 22:25 |
| eekkelund | Thanks. I was super lucky to get it. | 22:25 |
| eekkelund | We could maybe ask from Jolla those Jolla C phones or co-organising competition? | 22:28 |
| pichlo | I was thinking along the line of €100, €50 and €25 for 1st, 2nd and 3rd prize. | 22:30 |
| pichlo | Assuming no silly categories. | 22:30 |
| pichlo | One comoetition. Full stop. | 22:30 |
| eekkelund | Why no categories? | 22:31 |
| pichlo | Sorry, gotta go. | 22:31 |
| pichlo | Too complicated. Too many prizes. | 22:31 |
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| reinob | I also find that, while in itself a good idea, more than one or two categories will result in too few candidates in each one... | 22:32 |
| Win7Mac | probably not co-organising, but we should contact Jolla in case | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | we had some mails going round some time ago, let me forward them to you | 22:35 |
| juiceme | hi! | 22:36 |
| juiceme | oh, am bit late again | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | the later the evening, the better the visitors... ;) | 22:37 |
| juiceme | sure :) | 22:39 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, regarding flashing the N950 it goes just like N9; when you do a full reflash you can rid yourself of the lock code. | 22:40 |
| eekkelund | Hi juiceme :) | 22:40 |
| juiceme | And, this one I am not sure, but I guess you should do back-to-back-closedmode-openmode flash too, just like on N9 to make sure aegis will not trouble you :) | 22:41 |
| reinob | juiceme: that's good news! (re. 950) | 22:41 |
| juiceme | I only wish I had one :) | 22:41 |
| eekkelund | pichlo: I think there should be categories. Not everyone is app developer or kernel developer or porter. Not everyone likes sfos or meego or maemo or nemo.. | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 22:42 |
| eekkelund | juiceme: not straight to openmode? | 22:42 |
| juiceme | or actually, wish I had one back-in-the-day when it was the hottest thing :) | 22:42 |
| juiceme | Well you cannot flash "straight" to openmode. At least not N9 | 22:43 |
| juiceme | When you flash os+emmc to get device clean of lock code and all previous content, it always goes to closed mode automaticall | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | re CC: we drafted something last year: https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Maemo_Coding_Competition_2016 | 22:44 |
| juiceme | If you flash it open after that, you will be left with the residue of closed-mode aegis keys all over the devicew | 22:45 |
| juiceme | so the trick is to do it back-to-back; | 22:45 |
| juiceme | first flash os+emmc | 22:45 |
| juiceme | then immediately flash openmode kernel | 22:46 |
| eekkelund | thanks Win7Mac | 22:46 |
| juiceme | and make sure the device does not boot between the flashes | 22:46 |
| eekkelund | juiceme, I didnt know this. | 22:47 |
| eekkelund | back-to-back? | 22:47 |
| juiceme | why this works; when the device boots up first time after a flash, it will create the keysets and a whole lot of shit | 22:47 |
| juiceme | if you force the first boot to be open mode, then all keys are created for open mode :) | 22:47 |
| eekkelund | ah yeah | 22:48 |
| Win7Mac | forwarded last mail re CC | 22:48 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, I call it back-to-back flashing. It's all documented in the wikis and ubiboot documentation | 22:48 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, coding competition, yes. | 22:49 |
| eekkelund | Thanks juiceme :) | 22:49 |
| eekkelund | juiceme, what you think about coding competetion? | 22:49 |
| juiceme | The problem was it was received so unenthusticly we decided not to run the competition then. Might change? | 22:49 |
| juiceme | I'd love it | 22:50 |
| juiceme | but if there are no contestants... :( | 22:50 |
| Win7Mac | i wouldn't exactly call it 'dead' yet, but it will mean *a lot* of organising | 22:50 |
| juiceme | yes, we might take off from where we got to last time, we already have categories and rules thought out, now just need to get people involved in it | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 22:53 |
| eekkelund | And what about prizes?:) | 22:53 |
| juiceme | well, everyone likes cash | 22:54 |
| eekkelund | true :D | 22:54 |
| juiceme | but devices are nice to play with | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | and some have no access to certain devices | 22:55 |
| eekkelund | True x2 | 22:55 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | like cepi | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | or it would be incredibly expensive | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | sourcing some Aquafish/Jolla C would surely be nice though | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | or a JTab | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | are they still sold on that chinese site? | 22:57 |
| eekkelund | No they are not :/ | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | :/ | 22:58 |
| juiceme | well, I think if Jolla managed to get Aquafishen to europe, that could be one alternative | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | Aquafishen... :) | 22:59 |
| juiceme | yes, good one, right? :) | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | love it! | 23:00 |
| juiceme | just like "vaxen" is plural of vax | 23:00 |
| juiceme | :p | 23:00 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, just saw your council blog; http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96791 | 23:01 |
| juiceme | nice | 23:01 |
| Win7Mac | oh yes, thanks! | 23:01 |
| eekkelund | Jolla C = aquafishen | 23:02 |
| eekkelund | haha thanks, other one is coming | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | NOT to appear in the minutes, please: I am heavily annoyed ba dave999, what about you? | 23:04 |
| Win7Mac | *by | 23:05 |
| juiceme | well, he does repeat the same thing ove&over. maybe thinks it makes it more funny or something. | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | it's harming jolla | 23:05 |
| juiceme | it is just teasing IMHO, he does not really care either way | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | he is influencing people | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | teasing, yes... provocating... | 23:06 |
| juiceme | true too. someone could take it at face value, not seeing it is just jesting | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | trolling at it'S finest | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | putting up dumb questions | 23:07 |
| Win7Mac | derailing | 23:07 |
| Win7Mac | ... | 23:07 |
| Win7Mac | offending too | 23:08 |
| juiceme | but one thing to his credit, he really just frequents 2 threads or so, not messing up all ovet the place. | 23:08 |
| Win7Mac | he is messing up jolla, tha's what he does | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, 2 or 3 threads are enough for him... | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, your comment? | 23:10 |
| eekkelund | Oh sorry | 23:11 |
| reinob | he may be influencing people who let themselves be influenced. we cannot and should not do anything about that | 23:11 |
| Win7Mac | he's not randomly trolling, his posts clearly are directed | 23:12 |
| juiceme | I'd say all people already know of his opinion. | 23:12 |
| eekkelund | Yeah, he can be little annoying, I think he is doing it on purpose.:D Just to have fun? But well, I think in TMO we have kinda free speech so should we even do anything?:) | 23:13 |
| juiceme | it is directed, true, but it has become just like pattering of raindrops, kind of meaningless | 23:13 |
| reinob | could be banned if violating code of conduct. I'd tend to say he doesn't, but I don't read his posts so often | 23:13 |
| eekkelund | I haven't been reading his comments now..:/ | 23:13 |
| juiceme | and I don't think it really is hurting Jolla | 23:13 |
| juiceme | kind of funny if it COULD do some harm | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | trolling is prohibited by forum rules | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | I think banning would just give him more speed. Or just drop whole TMO. I dont want either | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | Okay trolling, yeah true | 23:14 |
| juiceme | mmh. it is moderators job to check if someting is trolling and then give warning/infraction/ban | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | then mods don't have the nuts... | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | fearing a shitstorm or whatever | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | however, we could contact them and remind them of our forum rules and to act accordingly | 23:18 |
| juiceme | yes, can do that. | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | reinob, eekkelund, you agree? | 23:20 |
| juiceme | each section he frequents have different mod I think. but the one you mean is the thread "The Future of Jolla's Tablet" in the "jolla tablet" forum | 23:20 |
| Win7Mac | right | 23:20 |
| juiceme | however there's a catch. | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | ? | 23:21 |
| juiceme | he has started that thread himself... | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | the title alone is ridiculous | 23:21 |
| juiceme | so in a way, he *has* the right to vent there... | 23:21 |
| reinob | i agree with reminding mods | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | or remove it to off-topic | 23:21 |
| juiceme | off-topicing it could be appropriate | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | in off-topic, trolling may be tolerated ffs | 23:22 |
| juiceme | since it no longer serves a real purpose | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | and not listed in active topics | 23:23 |
| juiceme | @ | 23:23 |
| juiceme | 23:23 | |
| juiceme | 23:23 | |
| juiceme | ohm sorry | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | moving it to off-topic may be less reistrictive than banning him | 23:24 |
| juiceme | menat to say @jalyst is the moderator on that forum | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | right | 23:24 |
| reinob | I'd ask mods to check and decide. I/council itself should IMHO not decide | 23:24 |
| juiceme | agree on that | 23:25 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, will you discuss this with jalyst? | 23:25 |
| Win7Mac | right, mods only have the right to take action | 23:25 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac agreed^ | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | but if there's a problem, we should act too | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | ok, i will | 23:26 |
| eekkelund | reinob agreed^ | 23:27 |
| juiceme | good | 23:27 |
| juiceme | so, AOB? | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | not me ;) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | the TOR access is still ongoing? | 23:28 |
| reinob | yes | 23:28 |
| reinob | couldnt do anything yet | 23:28 |
| reinob | but will | 23:28 |
| juiceme | OK, no problem, ongoing. | 23:29 |
| juiceme | the council access AP's can all be closed I think, now that eekkelund can post to blog. | 23:29 |
| juiceme | (I guess you all should be able too) | 23:30 |
| juiceme | new AP:s, start thinking about the competition, talk to mods | 23:30 |
| juiceme | btw, just a sidenote, anybody going to come to Helsinki at 17.6 ? | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | not me :( | 23:32 |
| juiceme | I got the invitation but unfortunately tht one is just the one weekend I cannot attend, family/relatives business going on then | 23:32 |
| reinob | me neither. | 23:32 |
| juiceme | okay | 23:33 |
| eekkelund | not me :( I have also this weekend family business.. | 23:33 |
| juiceme | If anyone likes to go, I can give my seat to him/her... won't pay for travel, though :) | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | this weekend=that weekend | 23:34 |
| juiceme | yes :) | 23:34 |
| juiceme | so, OK to close meeting? | 23:37 |
| eekkelund | ok for me:) | 23:37 |
| juiceme | gnite then! | 23:37 |
| Win7Mac | ok, sleep well | 23:38 |
| eekkelund | good night | 23:38 |
| reinob | good night! | 23:47 |
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