IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2016-05-03

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eekkelundHello, am I on time? :)22:03
reinobI think so :)22:03
reinobBTW welcome to the council!22:03
eekkelundGood, and thanks! :)22:03
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reinobhi pichlo!22:08
pichlohello22:08
reinobwelcome to the council!22:08
pichlothanks ;)22:09
pichlosorry I'm late, technical difficulties22:09
pichloI'm connecting from a cage ;)22:10
reinobyou're not late. I mean, there's AFAIK no hard deadlines. juiceme usually comes a bit later, others never show up.. :)22:10
reinobdefine cage22:10
reinob:)22:10
pichloIce rink22:10
pichlothere is public wifi but doesn't work very well22:10
eekkelundHi pichlo :)22:11
pichloand as far as 3G us concerned, the building is a Faraday's cage22:11
reinobah OK :)22:11
pichlohi eekkulund22:11
eekkelundWhats going on in ice rink? Ice hockey?22:12
pichlomy daughter's lesson22:12
pichloI am the designated driver22:12
reinobsocker dad, sort of.. me too, but for ballet and piano :)22:12
pichlomy kids have some activity every evening of the week, except Friday22:13
pichloI can just about make Tuesdays during the skating thingy ;)22:14
pichlothat might put a damper on my attendance but I will try ;)22:15
reinobdon't worry. in many cases there's been nothing to discuss so we've just hanged around here.22:15
reinobwe could briefly discuss something and then continue per e-mail, which I personally find more convenient22:15
pichloabout 1930-2030 UK time is perfect for me22:16
pichlootherwise offline22:16
pichloemail is good22:16
reinobcould be arranged. in my case it would be OK (19:30 UK is 20:30 DE where we bring the kids to bed, but it's usually my wife doing it..)22:17
reinobekkelund: would 20:30 (you're SE right?) be OK for you?22:17
pichloI mght re-connect after my kids go to bed, usually 2100-213022:18
eekkelundIm FI and it is oko:)22:18
pichlotoo late for you?22:18
reinobthen we just need to check with Win7Mac and juiceme22:19
reinobin case they don't show up in 10min (when pichlo would need to leave) we can call it a meeting and continue next week22:19
reinobBTW at some point we'll need to appoint a chairman..22:20
pichlowow!22:20
reinobtradition is a newcomer has to do it :)22:20
pichlochairman, vice-chairman, sergeant at arms, treasurer...22:21
pichlo???22:21
eekkelund:D22:21
reinobnah, just chairman. basically a minute-writer :)22:21
pichloIC22:22
reinobbut in the last term HtheB (chairman) was almost never there and juiceme wrote the minutes22:22
pichloI remember Wkiwide (Oksana) writing them too22:23
pichloor was that before?22:23
reinobbefore, wikiwide is/was not in the current council22:23
reinob.. I think..22:23
reinobwin7mac, peterleinchen, htheb, juiceme and me was it22:24
pichlopretty much the same now, only peterleinchen=pichlo and HtheB=eekkelund22:25
pichlowhy are some nicks highlighted but not others?22:26
reinobwe need to write some guide/tutorial for the council, like what to do after election (chairman, irc cloaks, access rights, etc.)22:26
reinobI see nothing highligthed (irssi)22:27
reinobyou mean22:27
reinobpichlo: this?22:27
pichlosorry, gotta go22:31
pichlosee you in 30-40 min22:32
reinobbye!22:32
eekkelundsee you :)22:32
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Win7MacHi :)22:41
eekkelundHello :)22:41
reinobhi!22:41
Win7Maccongrats all!22:41
reinobthanks22:42
Win7Macand welcome to council!22:42
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Win7Macsorry for being late, reading log now22:42
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eekkelundThanks :)22:43
reinobwas about to say pichlo had left and would come back later but I see he's connected now22:43
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Win7Macso any volunteers for chairman?22:48
reinobI would candidate only if neither pichlo nor eekkelund want to..22:50
* Win7Mac is looking at eekkelund...22:50
reinob(and I'd be happy if one of them would volunteer!)22:50
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Win7Macme too22:50
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eekkelundWhat are chairmans duties? :)22:51
Win7Macwriting meeting minutes and announcing things22:52
Win7MacI believe there are different templates out there22:53
Win7Macpeterleinchen and juiceme have them I believe22:53
reinobplus IMHO whenever there's something to vote/decide amongst us to take the "chairman" role and make sure all have voted, etc.22:53
juicemehi!22:53
juicemesorry am late!22:53
reinobhey!22:53
Win7Machi juiceme!22:53
juicemehiya all... had some emergency repair I had to finish for tomorrow when am taking my car to the annual inspection :)22:54
juicemehad to fix it before morning...22:54
juicemehow22:55
Win7Mac;)22:55
juicemehow's it been?22:55
reinobWin7Mac and I are hoping that eekkelund or pichlo take the role of chairman22:55
eekkelundHmm if pichlo don't want mayybee I could.. Only because Win7Mac was looking at this direction:D22:56
reinobbut pichlo is away at the moment22:56
eekkelundHi juiceme :)22:56
reinobBTW pichlo said he could be available from 19:30-20-30 UK (so 20:30-21:30 DE and 21:30-22:30 FI)22:57
reinobwould that be OK for you guys?22:57
Win7Macok for me22:58
juicemeeekkelund, welcome to council :)22:58
eekkelundok for me also22:58
eekkelundThanks :)22:58
juicemeso pichlo's away for a while22:58
juicemehave you discussed meeting days yet?22:59
juicemetuesday is kind-of-traditional but could be something else too22:59
reinobfor now the day has been fixed to tuesday (i.e. not discussed)22:59
juicemetuesday is kind of nice for many people since it is usually a day of no special signifigance :)23:00
reinobI would be OK with tuesday or thursday23:00
juicemethose are OK for me too23:00
Win7Macok23:00
juicemewednesday not so good23:00
eekkelundtuesday and thursday are good23:01
juicemehmm, about nicks & cloaks; new council members should get cloaks.23:02
reinobso we let pichlo decide if tuesday or thursday then?23:02
juicemeeekkelund, have you registered your nick?23:03
eekkelundthats good question, how to check?23:03
juicemethat is precondition for getting a cloak, so that no-one can steal it from you :)23:03
juicemewell, do /msg nickserv help23:04
reinobif you do something like /msg NickServ identify <your-password> when connecting, then you've registered it23:05
reinobor you use sasl (I do that, with znc)23:05
juicemethe nickserv will tell you how to do it, I think the command is just to say 'register' on the nickserv window. ANd you need to provide a password23:05
juicemereinob, yes23:06
juicemeeekkelund, what the cloak means;23:06
juicemeif you do for example /whois juiceme23:07
juicemeyou see I am cloaked, my info reads "juiceme [~juice@Maemo/community/council/juiceme]"23:07
reinobjuiceme: btw, why /who reinob shows the hostname but /who juiceme doesn't?23:08
juicemethe cloak enables you to do various things, for example you are able to go to channel ##maemo-admin where various sysadmin things are discussed23:08
juicemereinob, to me it shows just cloak, no hostmane...23:09
juiceme?23:09
juiceme"#maemo-mee reinob    H   0  ~reinob@Maemo/community/council/reinob [B. Reino]"23:10
juicememust be because of your client?23:10
eekkelundhmm I feel irc noob. maybe because I am :)23:10
juicemeno problem :)23:10
reinoband if you /who juiceme? (maybe the client does that, or only shows if you /who yourself)23:10
juicemeif I do that, I see myself cloaked...23:11
juicemeam running irssi23:11
reinobeekkelund: me too! I used irc briefly in the 90s and then now with maemo council23:11
reinobme too (irssi), I see this:23:12
juicemewell, I used to hang in IRC a lot in the nineties... then there was some years less (but still did it) and now a fair bit more :)23:12
reinob22:07 -!- reinob [~reinob@Maemo/community/council/reinob]23:12
reinob22:07 -!-  ircname  : B. Reino23:12
reinob22:07 -!-  channels : #maemo-meeting23:12
reinob22:07 -!-  server   : orwell.freenode.net [NL]23:12
reinob22:07 -!-           : is using a secure connection23:12
reinob22:07 -!-  hostname : mail.reinob.de 5.189.132.14423:12
reinob22:07 -!-  idle     : 0 days 0 hours 1 mins 42 secs [signon: Tue May  3 09:59:03 2016]23:12
reinob22:07 -!-  account  : reinob23:12
reinob22:07 -!- End of WHOIS23:12
eekkelundI have just used it to read news and convos :D Haven't participated myself so much23:12
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juicemereinob, ah now I get what you mean!23:13
juicemeI cannot see your "hostname:" line23:14
juicemeinstead I see mine; "hostname : cerebro.liukuma.net"23:14
juicemepichlo_, welcome back!23:14
reinobOK! not that I care much. OK so it's client-side23:14
juicemeand welcome to council, pichlo_23:14
juicemeI apologise I was away when you first popped in tonight23:15
juicemeso, eekkelund, what client are you using?23:16
juicemenot that it matters a lot, but at least I find it easier to use a standard console client rather than a web-form client23:17
eekkelundIm using console23:17
juicemegood23:17
eekkelundScreen running on my cloud23:17
reinobnow that I'm an android user (!) I find juicessh to be very usable, even for things like irssi within tmux23:18
reinoband it's got juice in its name. it must be good23:18
reinob:)23:18
juicemeokay, so not so irc-newbie as you are pretending to be :)23:18
juicemereinob, yes, juice in anything makes it good!23:18
reinobI do irssi via znc both running on tmux on my vps23:18
juicemegood way that. I am using screen since I just never bothered to switch to tmux even as it supposedly is the better way :)23:19
reinobI use only 0.1% of its possibilities. but it does the job well (just like screen would do anyway)23:20
eekkelundtmux?:D i think i am quite irc noob23:22
pichlo_anybody still around?23:22
juicemepichlo_, sure23:22
reinobyes, we are all here!23:22
pichlo_me signing in and out was my Jolla in a moving car ;)23:22
reinobwe've discussed thursday as an alternative day, in case it suits you better. for all of us it would be OK23:23
juicemepichlo_ are you still in a car?23:23
pichlo_Thursday not much better23:23
pichlo_no, at home23:24
Win7Macpichlo is back!23:24
pichlo_why am I suddenly with and underscore after my nick?23:24
Win7Machi and welcome!23:24
pichlo_thanks! ;)23:25
pichlo_hi;)23:25
Win7Mac:)23:25
reinobthat's irc-voodoo. I think it's your alternative nick, because you probably logged in when pichlo was still formally logged on23:25
reinobor something23:25
juicemethe underscore is because the nick you logged in was taken at the mment you logged in23:25
juicemepichlo_, try "/nick pichlo"23:25
juicemethat should help23:25
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pichloyey!23:26
reinobI recommend running a bouncer (znc) permanently (on a server) so you can connect and disconnect as you like without having any effect23:26
juicemeyes!23:26
pichlosounds too advanced for me23:26
juicemepichlo, same question to you I asked eekkelund, have you registered your nick?23:26
pichloI need to graso the basucs first23:26
pichlograsp23:27
juicemeyes, of course23:27
reinobOK then first make sure your nick is registered23:27
pichlohiw?23:27
pichlohow?23:27
pichlodamn Jolla keyboard23:27
pichloit SUCKS!!!23:27
juicemepichlo, do "/msg nickserv help"23:28
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reinoband then "register <a-password>"23:28
juicemeand nickserver will tell you what it can do23:28
Win7Macpichlo, use a pc, your're at home ;)23:28
juicemegood command is "register <password> <email-address>"23:29
pichlotoo awkward23:29
pichlomy PC is a laptop but I find even that too clumsy23:29
juicemewhy registering is important; then you are password-protected, and nobody can steal your nick23:30
pichloI use it only when there is absolutely no other option23:30
Win7Maclol23:30
juicemeafter that's done, I'll request Maemo cloaks for you and you can access ##maemo-admin channel23:30
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pichloOK, I can look it up timorrow at work23:31
juicemeOksana, welcome!23:31
pichlothat's about the only place I use a PC23:31
pichlohi, Oksana ;)23:31
juicemepichlo, what, no laptop "home?23:31
reinobhe prefers the jollaphone23:31
reinobrespect23:31
juicemeI couldn't live without one23:31
Win7Mac:)23:32
juicemethat indeed gains respect23:32
pichlono, I prefer ANY mobile device23:32
reinobI hate it but I find my new android (moto g3) much more usable than the jolla23:32
juicememobile device is pretty neat but without a hwkbd so much is lacking23:32
reinobonly the neo900 would beat it23:32
pichloyou should see our house, you woukd understand23:32
reinob:)23:32
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pichlono place to put a laptop23:33
juicemewell, the Jolla tablet with a bluetooth KBD is fairly good23:33
Oksanahello :-) Meeting finished ? ;-)23:33
reinobwe're just warming up :)23:33
pichloevery horizontal surface is vertically piled up with STUFF23:33
Win7Machi Oksana23:34
juicemeOksana, not really, just warming up :)23:34
reinobyou live in an ikea model house? :)))23:34
juicemepichlo laptop is used sitting with it in your lap :)23:34
eekkelund_weird, I registered my nick and screen stopped responding23:34
reinobweird, indeed23:35
eekkelund_Cant attach to screen anymore23:35
reinobkill it and start again?23:35
juicemeodd... maybe you mistyped password?23:35
pichlothis is getting very involved23:35
pichloregistering, attach...23:35
juiceme:)23:36
pichloalready over my head23:36
reinobattach is to his terminal multiplexer (there!)23:36
reinobyou only need to register with nickserv23:36
Oksanamobile devices have their advantages, but a server at home can be useful (just like a landline phone ;-) )23:36
pichlonow I see why no ine uses IRC23:36
pichlono one23:37
reinobeverybody uses IRC! they even keep reinventing it! :)23:37
eekkelund_it didn't even ask my password, I just VERYFY(ied) my nick with command what freenode sent to me23:37
juicemeOksana, true.... I even have the landline but no-one never calls to it!23:37
eekkelund_VERIFY*23:37
juicemepichlo plenty of people use IRC all the time23:37
pichloreinvented URC with a friendly interface is a better URC ;)23:38
juicemeall these wazapps ant their ilk is just poorly copied IRC23:38
pichloIRC, dammit!23:38
pichlonever used wazzap23:38
pichloalways ysed Skype23:38
pichloit's brilliant23:38
pichlomuch simpler23:39
juicemewhy tthey are reinventing it, is just by companies that want to take control, not allow the wild and free irc undiluted :)23:39
pichlomade fir idiots like me23:39
reinobslack?23:39
juicemewell skype is also contolled by 1 company23:39
juicemeas well as Slack23:39
reinobby THE ONE company23:39
juicemebut there are alternatives to Slack, plenty. stuff that you can run in your own intranet23:40
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pichlomaybe, but it works and is easy to use23:40
juicemeeekkelund, welcome back.23:40
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pichlounlike this abomination :(23:40
eekkelundyay thanks :)23:40
eekkelundand now registered23:41
reinobgood23:41
Win7Macgreat23:41
pichlocongratulations!23:41
juicemeyou should never trust something that apperas to be easy to use. they are just hiding the horrid deatials from view...23:41
Win7Macpichlo, you'll sort it out23:41
juicemedetails even23:41
pichloI won't even try untul I get sime sleep first23:41
juicemeya, it is just typoing chars to screen anyway :)23:41
reinobbut what pichlo thinks is horrible is nothing compared to what happens on irc in the background!23:41
Win7Macok, not now23:41
pichloI've been up since 3am ;)23:42
juicemeooo, so go to bed, then23:42
juicemejust before that23:42
Win7Macok then let's get the important stuff done23:42
OksanaAre there test-echo numbers available for whatsapp-something developers? http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-26.log.html23:42
juicemethe some basics; do we already have chairman?23:42
juicemeand agree on meeting time?23:42
Win7Macmeeting date stays on tuesday?23:43
reinobfor now yes23:43
juicemeOksana, I have not been following whatsapp development.23:43
juicemetuesday is OK, what about time?23:43
pichloactiin items: chairman, nicks registering, what else?23:43
pichlomeeting times can stay23:44
reinobas I said before, I candidate as chairman only if neither pichlo nor eekkelund candidate, which I would prefer.23:44
Win7MacSo tuesday 20:30 CET/CEST23:44
Win7Mac?23:44
pichlofine with me23:44
reinob19:30 UK 20:30 DE 21:30 FI23:44
reinobregardless of DST23:44
juicemeI suppose it's OK.23:44
Win7Macthanks reinob, exactly23:45
juicemeI hate DST like plague it is23:45
reinobme too, just whatever you clock says23:45
Win7Mac:)23:45
Win7Macme too23:45
eekkelundIt's okay23:45
juicemerighto.23:45
juicemeso, chairing?23:45
reinobpichlo: do you wish to candidate as chairman?23:45
pichlonot really23:46
reinob(minute-writing, announcing stuff, moderating internal voting..)23:46
juicemeas is customary, others can help with the minutes23:46
pichlobut if you twist my arm...23:46
reinoband eekkelund: what about you?23:46
Win7Macpichlo already seems quite busy...23:46
eekkelundif pichlo won't.. then I could23:47
pichloyeeey! ;)23:47
juicemeeekkelund, I'll guide you into it, no problem23:47
Win7Macthat was a definate maybe?23:47
reinobpichlo: would you prefer eekkelund or yourself?23:47
reinobeekkelund: would you prefer pichlo or yourself?23:47
pichloyou really like me in the corner, don't you?23:48
reinob:)23:48
eekkelund:D23:48
reinobI hate doing this, believe me :)23:48
reinobor you both candidate and then we all vote23:48
juiceme:p23:49
reinobbut it's hard to choose one over the other!23:49
OksanaTor blocked on TMO? Recommendation to devs to support devuan, not debian? http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-24.log.html and an inquiry to techstaff respectively warfare and xes about expected lifecycle of server HDDs until preemtive service swap would be in order to...23:49
pichloI don't mind doing it as such, but I'm afraid I'll screw it uo horribly23:49
pichloup23:49
* Win7Mac slaps eekkelund ;)23:49
* Oksana would vote for somebody who hasn't ever done it before; it's easy, and a useful skill23:50
* juiceme seconds Oksana23:50
* reinob finds both perfectly suitable23:50
eekkelundI think because juiceme promised to guide, I think I could do it :D23:50
* Win7Mac prefers eekkelund or reinob23:51
pichloeven if the vast majority of what you say sounds like ancient Egyptian?23:51
eekkelundBut I don't prefer myself over pichlo!:D23:51
Win7Machahaha23:51
Win7Macancient Egyptian...23:51
juicemeancient Egyptian... how?23:51
Win7Maci guess writing and formatting texts on a jolla is no joy...23:52
reinobnow it's meta-egyptian because you didn't understand pichlo23:52
reinob:)23:52
pichlo;)23:52
juicemeahhhahha :)23:52
pichloI'll try to dig up an ultra-portable PC by the next meeting23:53
Win7Maca tab?23:53
pichlodon't see much difference between a tab and a Jolla23:54
juicemepichlo, try to get an IBM or Lenovo T-series device... just love those and they are incredibly cheap nowdays23:54
eekkelundwhat client you use pichlo?23:54
reinobI have to leave in like two minutes, so we can just assume both candidate and just vote? we're 5 and we're confirmed23:54
juicemeOK, I vote for eekkelund23:55
reinobI vote for pichlo23:55
pichlome too! ;)23:55
eekkelundjuiceme: just changed my 10yo t60 to this t420 :)23:55
pichloeekkelund23:55
eekkelundpichlo :D23:55
Win7Maceekkelund23:56
reinobOK 3 against 2 for eekkelund, right?23:56
pichlo4:123:56
juicemeokay... so it is decided?23:56
reinobeekkelund, do you accept?23:56
Win7Maceekkelund, do you accept?23:56
Win7Mac;)23:56
reinob(HtheB should be here doing this)23:56
eekkelundyes I accept.23:57
Win7MacRIGHT... :(23:57
juicemeyes, too bad HtheB was not able to attend23:57
juicemeeekkelund, excellent.23:57
Win7Mache never was...23:57
pichlothanks, eekkelund23:57
juicemeAll hail to our new chairman!23:57
Win7Maceekkelund, excellent, thanks!23:57
reinobOK. Congratulations to eekkelund. Thanks pichlo for candidating! :) and thanks all for being here.23:57
reinobsorry I took a bit of a chairman-ish role, but I'm going to bed right now23:58
juicemeallright, now we have most of the important stuff done23:58
reinobGood night23:58
eekkelundNp I promise I won't screw this up badly ;D23:58
juicemeI'll ask the mailing list to be changed!23:58
eekkelundreinob GN23:58
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juicemeeekkelund, pichlo, send me your email addresses in private23:58
juiceme(unless you want to announce that publicly)23:59
pichlojuiceme, you have my email23:59
pichloI used to announce my candidacy23:59
juicemeah, sure23:59

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