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| Win7Mac | hi! | 22:06 |
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| Win7Mac | meeting today? | 22:06 |
| peterleinchen | hello | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | hi peter | 22:06 |
| peterleinchen | who knows? | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | Jussi won't make it today | 22:07 |
| peterleinchen | yep. | 22:07 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, get well soon! | 22:07 |
| peterleinchen | looks like reinob will also not appear | 22:08 |
| peterleinchen | iirc last week's personal talk | 22:08 |
| Win7Mac | ok | 22:08 |
| peterleinchen | so if htheb will not show up we might have a bit small talk | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | regarding CC: I'm not sure if it's all worth it really, with such low response... probably makes more sense to have a permanent bouty-based thing | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | *bounty | 22:10 |
| peterleinchen | probably | 22:11 |
| peterleinchen | there is lowest response from community either | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | m-hm | 22:12 |
| peterleinchen | nevertheless we try to keep MO up as much as we can/like and are able to | 22:13 |
| peterleinchen | arent we? ;) | 22:13 |
| Win7Mac | sure | 22:13 |
| peterleinchen | so I got two topics: | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think this could be at least partially due to outdated libraries and SDK options | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK2 | (about CC) | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK2 | peterleinchen: sorry for interrupting | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | hm | 22:15 |
| peterleinchen | m4rtink2, no prob:) | 22:15 |
| peterleinchen | and I guessbyou may be right | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | like basically how are people supposed to be developing for the CC ? | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | the SDK is dead | 22:16 |
| peterleinchen | but what can we do about this? | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | lots of docs are offline or outdated | 22:16 |
| peterleinchen | not much, right | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | M4rtinK2, is it? (never used it) | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that's a good question | 22:16 |
| peterleinchen | so we might rely on 'old' devs who have everything set up | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | there is a lot of various update initatives - newer GCC, newer Python, Qt 5, etc. | 22:17 |
| peterleinchen | qt5??? | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | but most of them newer reached the "production" stage - state when the needed stuff is in the repos and normal users can usethe apps produced by the updated libs/tools | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | peterleinchen: sure: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5 | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5/Development | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84782&page=16 | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | but again - requires users adding external repos, running on CSSU thumb, etc. | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | also working SDK inf you want to make use of it | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | as a developer | 22:20 |
| peterleinchen | m4rtink2, thx for links (now I remember ;) | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | there is also Python 3, newer GCC - but nothing really universally usable | 22:22 |
| peterleinchen | I'd say CSSU is future to go and develop for | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | sure, there are people who are already setup or who develop directly on device | 22:23 |
| peterleinchen | so thatbis not prob | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | sure | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | but the GCC 4.2 in autobuilder is | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | as that's the only way how you can get stuff into the official repos | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | of course upgrading that is certainly not easy | 22:24 |
| peterleinchen | true | 22:25 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, I guess something could be done even without upgrading the status quo | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK2 | like documenting what toolskits/APIs/libs developers can actually use | 22:27 |
| peterleinchen | thanks, such kind of discussion I would like to have happened on tmo thread | 22:27 |
| peterleinchen | but as I did not develop my own I havebno clue ;) | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | that it is possible to develop and even compile on device + possibly links to the various experimental upgrade efforts | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | I posted about the need for upgrading stuff :) | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | not about the "at least document the current stuff" effort though | 22:28 |
| peterleinchen | :) | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | anyway, that's my input to this topic :) | 22:29 |
| peterleinchen | okay, thanks again | 22:29 |
| peterleinchen | unfortunately we are low on man power and knowledge to upgrade maemo infra structure | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah, I understand that | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | its actually a great feat that we are still running at our own | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | without corporate backing | 22:31 |
| peterleinchen | yep! | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK2 | everyone involved really deserves huge thanks for this! :) | 22:32 |
| peterleinchen | everyone includes you as well as all other devs, too | 22:32 |
| peterleinchen | but especially techstaff | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, I feel like I'm too much talking and not enough doing | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I'm unfortunately neglecting even modRana too much these days | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | so pointing out stuff is currently probably the best I can get involved unfortunately :) | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | M4rtinK2 for Council! | 22:34 |
| peterleinchen | but pointing out is helpful, too :) | 22:34 |
| Win7Mac | Next election supposed to happen in march... | 22:34 |
| peterleinchen | win7mac, already??? | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | We need to announce election soon (TM) :) | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 22:35 |
| peterleinchen | yep, there we are again | 22:37 |
| peterleinchen | so I would like to propose a longer council period | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | was just about to say the same... | 22:39 |
| peterleinchen | to be discussed and probably announced/discussed/voted on tmo | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | referendum, I guess... | 22:40 |
| peterleinchen | Yeah!!! ;) | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | fo rmodifiing election rules | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | btw, what about the ref. about tmo swear filter? :O | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | thought so ;) | 22:42 |
| peterleinchen | at least now we have some topics! :) | 22:47 |
| peterleinchen | 1.competition | 22:47 |
| peterleinchen | 2. referendum swear filter | 22:47 |
| peterleinchen | 3. referendum council period | 22:48 |
| Win7Mac | And isn't that something?! ;) | 22:48 |
| peterleinchen | and I add my two | 22:49 |
| peterleinchen | 4. connectivity-test.ext.nokia.com to be hosted on mo | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | ah yes | 22:50 |
| peterleinchen | 5. md5sums of firmwares | 22:50 |
| peterleinchen | about 4 I am going to contact fstern once more | 22:50 |
| peterleinchen | and about 5I sent out a mail months ago (which I lost, so I any councilor of former period to resend it to me) | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | done | 22:53 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, I guess you are the one to resend it? :) tia | 22:53 |
| Win7Mac | sorry, wrong one | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | and 6) http://maemo.org/legal/ needs update | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | 6a) replace HiFo with MC e.V. | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | 6b) introduce CoC | 22:57 |
| Oksana | 3. Don't expect me to be voting for longer council period. As it is, I have quite almost forgotten about existence of council and its meetings; if there are longer stretches of time between elections, TMO might quite forget about them, too. | 23:59 |
| Oksana | Still, congratulations for lots of people on the channel, and lots of topics in the meeting | 23:59 |
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