IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2016-01-12

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peterleinchenhey22:02
juicemeya!22:07
juicemepeterleinchen, hi22:07
juicemewhoo, just back in from the yard, thee's about 25cm of the good stuff on da ground.22:07
juicemeso much that I had more than an hour shoveling it off the driveway :)22:08
peterleinchenjuiceme, here all wet and warm (>5C)22:08
juicemeheh, about -10 now22:09
juicemelast week bottomed, -31 on the morning when I left for work22:09
juicemewhen it snows, it means it is warmer22:09
peterleinchenI was a bit jealous but -31?22:09
peterleinchenhavent seen a single snow flake yet22:10
peterleinchenbut roses are growing22:10
juiceme-31 is so cold it freezes your fingers numb while you go for mailbox outside...22:11
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Win7Machi22:12
juicemeain't gonna see no roses for a while, exept for ice-flowers in windows...22:12
juicemeWin7Mac, hi!22:12
juicemepeterleinchen do you usually get any snow in winter?22:12
peterleinchenwin7mac,hi22:13
peterleinchenjuiceme, yes at least a bit22:13
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juicemeconnection problems?22:39
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reinobgood evening23:01
juicemereinob, hi!23:06
reinobhey there23:06
juicemefairly quiet here :)23:06
reinobsorry I'm a bit late, but it's not always easy to be available at 21:0023:06
reinobyes :)23:06
juicemeit is a bit earlier for you, true23:08
juicemeall here except for HtheB now23:08
Win7Macyes...23:09
reinobHi Win7Mac!23:09
juicemeokay, if we quickly go through some agenda, what have we on our minds23:14
juicemesomething from me:23:14
juiceme1. need to decide how to collect and distribute the prize devices. (already been asked can they send stuff to me...)23:15
juiceme2. suggestion to not use github for source review, rather use our git at garage.maemo.org23:15
juiceme3. need to update the wiki page of the competition23:16
juiceme4. not related to competition, the proposition to do own crowdfundingy stuff to support development23:17
juiceme5. what else23:17
Win7Macyes to all ;)23:17
reinob+123:17
Win7Mac1) wait + see23:17
Win7Mac2) no clue about techside of things23:18
Win7Mac3) YES23:18
reinobonce the competition is up & running we can continue discussing the swearword referendum (still need some practical tips)23:18
Win7Mac4)yes too23:18
Win7MacI mean why not23:19
juicemepretty much agree, except for number 1.23:19
Win7MacI'd like to help Cepi and stuff but he's not exactly responsive to peoples efforts...23:20
juicemethat needs to be known at some point, since people already want to send stuff23:20
juicemeWin7Mac yes, I believe he could feel a bit embarassed at people's fussing about23:20
reinobre. cepi: it's a bit of weird case. not easy to send stuff or money there, plus he needs both jolla and a computer/laptop. I'd expect at least a computer is something easy to obtain anywhere for a small amount of money..23:21
Win7MacI thought we agreed that officially MC eV collects donations of all sorts so any boardie seems fine23:21
reinobyou mean people can send money/prizes to anyone of the board?23:21
Win7Macand add a dumpfone for use in train...23:22
Win7Macreinob, yes23:22
juicemereinob yes, probably so. board is chemist, me, warfare23:22
reinobare chemist and warfare aware?23:22
reinobnot that they receive a package with who knows what electronic stuff :)23:23
Win7Maci had a convo via PM with Cepi, he got pickpocketed...23:23
Win7Macchem|st said he'd be fine with that afaik23:24
reinobOK23:24
Win7Macwarfare prefers to not be involved I guess23:24
Win7Macseen my reminder?23:24
juicemeah, there's one catch I just thought about, regarding sending electronics stuff with *batteries* around...23:24
juicemeat least in finland the post office will refuse to transport packages that contain LiIon batteries23:25
reinobsame in Germany AFAIK23:25
juicemedamn23:26
Win7Macfor now, people should not send devices unless it's really easy and secure (within country/EU)23:26
Win7Macwhat? I can order huge LiIon-batteries for cameras23:27
juicemeit is silly rules like that which drive me crazy... I can import anything from china for example, and post office will happily bring it to me, but if I send the same stuff they will not take it...23:27
Win7Macah23:27
reinobI think you need some special sticker with a big warning sign. Not sure if anyone can get one of those, or if it requires some sort of inspection and/or permission23:27
juicemeit's like, "because the sender carrier checked it it is safe" :)23:27
reinobyes, something like that23:28
juicemeas mail office in china cared a shitload what people send23:28
juicemebut finnish mail trusts it23:28
juicemeand it does not trust me (or anyone else)23:28
juicememakse kind of non-balanced-trading-advance for the chinese23:29
Win7MacJolla?23:29
Win7Macsorry ;)23:29
juicemesorry?23:29
juicemeJolla contains batteries to :)23:29
juicemes/to/too/23:30
Win7Macyeah, that's probably why...23:30
Win7Macjoking...23:30
Win7Mactabletgate23:31
juicemeah yes :)23:31
Win7MacI'm not sure it's an issue within germany or EU. I've sent a whole bunch of these in package, nobody cared or asked... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images500x500/Sony_BPGL95A_BP_GL95_Li_Ion_V_Mount_Battery_330907.jpg23:35
Win7Mac8 in row, if i remember right23:36
reinobI guess if you don't say anything and nothing happens then that's exactly what happens: nothing :)23:37
juicemecould be23:37
Win7MacIt's not even asked what content to be sent23:38
juicemethat probably is not an issue when sending stuff inside europe23:38
reinobbut IIRC you are supposed to declare that a LiOn battery is in the package, with the associated bureaucracy23:38
juicemebut I once asked what it'd take to send a Jolla to Tmavica in HK, and mail did not want to take it, and told me to use courier. So I asked from 6 courier companies, and all quoted me around 120 euros for shipping!23:40
Win7Macand I've worked a while in a broadcast-shop, things were repacked and stuff but no declaration whatso ever23:40
Win7Macdid you need to declare?23:40
juicemeso in the end he decided it is too expensive. fortunately it became possible to buy it in HK soon after that23:41
juicemefor Hong Kong, yes23:41
Win7Macsome countries for sure will be a problem, like argentina, but generally it might not be as much of a problem23:43
juicemehopefully so23:44
juicemeI wonder how did they do it in previous competitions?23:45
juicemeor were the prizes sent straight off from Nokia?23:45
Win7Macare we even sure the feedback given so far is suffient to actually do this?23:45
reinobI'd say we offer people to (try to) send their stuff to chemist or juiceme. If there are problems we can see if we can deal with it somehow. Maybe it all will go fine23:46
Win7Mac+123:46
reinobThen of course there's the sending board -> winners, but we can also just try23:46
Win7MacHtheB will help too i'm sure23:46
Win7Maclike other "trusted people" too23:47
juicemeI hope it will work out. Could be it is easiest just to package the devices like any junk in non-obvious cardboard wraps :)23:50
Win7Macsomething like that, what altenatives are there?23:53
reinobI guess people sending stuff should inform themselves how it is handled in their respective countries. I assume the receiving country doesn't actually open the package and inspect. Either there's a sticker (OK) or nothing (also OK)23:55
Win7Macright23:56
juicemeprobably true23:58

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