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| peterleinchen | hey | 22:02 |
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| juiceme | ya! | 22:07 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, hi | 22:07 |
| juiceme | whoo, just back in from the yard, thee's about 25cm of the good stuff on da ground. | 22:07 |
| juiceme | so much that I had more than an hour shoveling it off the driveway :) | 22:08 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, here all wet and warm (>5C) | 22:08 |
| juiceme | heh, about -10 now | 22:09 |
| juiceme | last week bottomed, -31 on the morning when I left for work | 22:09 |
| juiceme | when it snows, it means it is warmer | 22:09 |
| peterleinchen | I was a bit jealous but -31? | 22:09 |
| peterleinchen | havent seen a single snow flake yet | 22:10 |
| peterleinchen | but roses are growing | 22:10 |
| juiceme | -31 is so cold it freezes your fingers numb while you go for mailbox outside... | 22:11 |
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| Win7Mac | hi | 22:12 |
| juiceme | ain't gonna see no roses for a while, exept for ice-flowers in windows... | 22:12 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi! | 22:12 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen do you usually get any snow in winter? | 22:12 |
| peterleinchen | win7mac,hi | 22:13 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, yes at least a bit | 22:13 |
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| juiceme | connection problems? | 22:39 |
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| reinob | good evening | 23:01 |
| juiceme | reinob, hi! | 23:06 |
| reinob | hey there | 23:06 |
| juiceme | fairly quiet here :) | 23:06 |
| reinob | sorry I'm a bit late, but it's not always easy to be available at 21:00 | 23:06 |
| reinob | yes :) | 23:06 |
| juiceme | it is a bit earlier for you, true | 23:08 |
| juiceme | all here except for HtheB now | 23:08 |
| Win7Mac | yes... | 23:09 |
| reinob | Hi Win7Mac! | 23:09 |
| juiceme | okay, if we quickly go through some agenda, what have we on our minds | 23:14 |
| juiceme | something from me: | 23:14 |
| juiceme | 1. need to decide how to collect and distribute the prize devices. (already been asked can they send stuff to me...) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | 2. suggestion to not use github for source review, rather use our git at garage.maemo.org | 23:15 |
| juiceme | 3. need to update the wiki page of the competition | 23:16 |
| juiceme | 4. not related to competition, the proposition to do own crowdfundingy stuff to support development | 23:17 |
| juiceme | 5. what else | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | yes to all ;) | 23:17 |
| reinob | +1 | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | 1) wait + see | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | 2) no clue about techside of things | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | 3) YES | 23:18 |
| reinob | once the competition is up & running we can continue discussing the swearword referendum (still need some practical tips) | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | 4)yes too | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | I mean why not | 23:19 |
| juiceme | pretty much agree, except for number 1. | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | I'd like to help Cepi and stuff but he's not exactly responsive to peoples efforts... | 23:20 |
| juiceme | that needs to be known at some point, since people already want to send stuff | 23:20 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac yes, I believe he could feel a bit embarassed at people's fussing about | 23:20 |
| reinob | re. cepi: it's a bit of weird case. not easy to send stuff or money there, plus he needs both jolla and a computer/laptop. I'd expect at least a computer is something easy to obtain anywhere for a small amount of money.. | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | I thought we agreed that officially MC eV collects donations of all sorts so any boardie seems fine | 23:21 |
| reinob | you mean people can send money/prizes to anyone of the board? | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | and add a dumpfone for use in train... | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | reinob, yes | 23:22 |
| juiceme | reinob yes, probably so. board is chemist, me, warfare | 23:22 |
| reinob | are chemist and warfare aware? | 23:22 |
| reinob | not that they receive a package with who knows what electronic stuff :) | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | i had a convo via PM with Cepi, he got pickpocketed... | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st said he'd be fine with that afaik | 23:24 |
| reinob | OK | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | warfare prefers to not be involved I guess | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | seen my reminder? | 23:24 |
| juiceme | ah, there's one catch I just thought about, regarding sending electronics stuff with *batteries* around... | 23:24 |
| juiceme | at least in finland the post office will refuse to transport packages that contain LiIon batteries | 23:25 |
| reinob | same in Germany AFAIK | 23:25 |
| juiceme | damn | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | for now, people should not send devices unless it's really easy and secure (within country/EU) | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | what? I can order huge LiIon-batteries for cameras | 23:27 |
| juiceme | it is silly rules like that which drive me crazy... I can import anything from china for example, and post office will happily bring it to me, but if I send the same stuff they will not take it... | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | ah | 23:27 |
| reinob | I think you need some special sticker with a big warning sign. Not sure if anyone can get one of those, or if it requires some sort of inspection and/or permission | 23:27 |
| juiceme | it's like, "because the sender carrier checked it it is safe" :) | 23:27 |
| reinob | yes, something like that | 23:28 |
| juiceme | as mail office in china cared a shitload what people send | 23:28 |
| juiceme | but finnish mail trusts it | 23:28 |
| juiceme | and it does not trust me (or anyone else) | 23:28 |
| juiceme | makse kind of non-balanced-trading-advance for the chinese | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | Jolla? | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | sorry ;) | 23:29 |
| juiceme | sorry? | 23:29 |
| juiceme | Jolla contains batteries to :) | 23:29 |
| juiceme | s/to/too/ | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, that's probably why... | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | joking... | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | tabletgate | 23:31 |
| juiceme | ah yes :) | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | I'm not sure it's an issue within germany or EU. I've sent a whole bunch of these in package, nobody cared or asked... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images500x500/Sony_BPGL95A_BP_GL95_Li_Ion_V_Mount_Battery_330907.jpg | 23:35 |
| Win7Mac | 8 in row, if i remember right | 23:36 |
| reinob | I guess if you don't say anything and nothing happens then that's exactly what happens: nothing :) | 23:37 |
| juiceme | could be | 23:37 |
| Win7Mac | It's not even asked what content to be sent | 23:38 |
| juiceme | that probably is not an issue when sending stuff inside europe | 23:38 |
| reinob | but IIRC you are supposed to declare that a LiOn battery is in the package, with the associated bureaucracy | 23:38 |
| juiceme | but I once asked what it'd take to send a Jolla to Tmavica in HK, and mail did not want to take it, and told me to use courier. So I asked from 6 courier companies, and all quoted me around 120 euros for shipping! | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | and I've worked a while in a broadcast-shop, things were repacked and stuff but no declaration whatso ever | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | did you need to declare? | 23:40 |
| juiceme | so in the end he decided it is too expensive. fortunately it became possible to buy it in HK soon after that | 23:41 |
| juiceme | for Hong Kong, yes | 23:41 |
| Win7Mac | some countries for sure will be a problem, like argentina, but generally it might not be as much of a problem | 23:43 |
| juiceme | hopefully so | 23:44 |
| juiceme | I wonder how did they do it in previous competitions? | 23:45 |
| juiceme | or were the prizes sent straight off from Nokia? | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | are we even sure the feedback given so far is suffient to actually do this? | 23:45 |
| reinob | I'd say we offer people to (try to) send their stuff to chemist or juiceme. If there are problems we can see if we can deal with it somehow. Maybe it all will go fine | 23:46 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 23:46 |
| reinob | Then of course there's the sending board -> winners, but we can also just try | 23:46 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB will help too i'm sure | 23:46 |
| Win7Mac | like other "trusted people" too | 23:47 |
| juiceme | I hope it will work out. Could be it is easiest just to package the devices like any junk in non-obvious cardboard wraps :) | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | something like that, what altenatives are there? | 23:53 |
| reinob | I guess people sending stuff should inform themselves how it is handled in their respective countries. I assume the receiving country doesn't actually open the package and inspect. Either there's a sticker (OK) or nothing (also OK) | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac | right | 23:56 |
| juiceme | probably true | 23:58 |
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