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| juiceme | hiya all! | 22:04 |
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| reinob | hi there! | 22:05 |
| juiceme | how's things? | 22:05 |
| reinob | busy. as usual. but Ok.. | 22:07 |
| reinob | and you? | 22:07 |
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| reinob | hey peterleinchen! | 22:08 |
| juiceme | same here. missed the last weeks meeting due to having too much to do both at work & at home... | 22:08 |
| peterleinchen | reinob, hi | 22:08 |
| peterleinchen | hi all | 22:08 |
| reinob | no prob. I guess we don't really.have that.much to discuss here | 22:09 |
| juiceme | the swearwörd filter :) | 22:09 |
| juiceme | and competitions | 22:10 |
| reinob | yup I had that in mind :) | 22:10 |
| peterleinchen | ohno | 22:10 |
| peterleinchen | and yes | 22:10 |
| reinob | btw I still don't appear as council in tmo | 22:10 |
| peterleinchen | reinob, I did not for my full first cc time :) | 22:11 |
| peterleinchen | but you should contact chemist | 22:11 |
| juiceme | well it's not supposed to be so that you only gain the status on your 2nd term :) | 22:12 |
| peterleinchen | about swearing: I -personally- see no reason to change | 22:14 |
| peterleinchen | except that smartwatch thing | 22:14 |
| juiceme | but indeed, chem|st should be able to do that to you | 22:14 |
| peterleinchen | but that is solved | 22:14 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, you want it back the way it was :p | 22:14 |
| peterleinchen | no :) just leave as is | 22:15 |
| juiceme | mmh, like HtheB demonstrated, you can really badmouth there if you want to, just insert the invisible chars in your banwords | 22:16 |
| juiceme | myself, I see no reason for a filter like that. | 22:16 |
| reinob | I'd just get rid of it. we are fucking educated grown ups :) | 22:16 |
| juiceme | but on the other hand, it does not bother me that it exists | 22:17 |
| peterleinchen | you can always if you really want | 22:17 |
| juiceme | you'r bloody right there :) | 22:17 |
| peterleinchen | and yes exist does not arm | 22:17 |
| peterleinchen | arm = harm | 22:17 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:17 |
| reinob | I'm not personally bothered by it but I see no need for it | 22:17 |
| peterleinchen | a first border is good | 22:18 |
| juiceme | could be it's required on some countries, perhaps? | 22:18 |
| peterleinchen | as it is a public forum | 22:18 |
| peterleinchen | could be .... | 22:18 |
| reinob | so when's the referendum? :) we need people to get involved | 22:18 |
| peterleinchen | omg do not say the word | 22:19 |
| juiceme | heh, yes, we could set up voting for it | 22:19 |
| juiceme | whaddya guess, how many people would participate? | 22:19 |
| peterleinchen | first ask chemist | 22:20 |
| juiceme | as the topic is so trivial could be we'd have a landslide there... hundred's o votes | 22:20 |
| juiceme | unlike the serious stuff that gets just about 70 votes or so | 22:21 |
| peterleinchen | a few, less than 70, probably less than 30 | 22:21 |
| reinob | exactly. but still. it might be a good experience. i have the feeling that interest in community is decreasing.. | 22:22 |
| peterleinchen | second is true | 22:22 |
| juiceme | no harm in thinking about it, though. | 22:23 |
| juiceme | could be fun :) | 22:23 |
| reinob | yep | 22:23 |
| juiceme | do you want to tighten/loosen/abolish/whatever the current filter | 22:24 |
| reinob | keep or remove. tightening would be too complex | 22:25 |
| peterleinchen | yes, keep (or remove) | 22:25 |
| juiceme | was trying to come up with funny alternatives :) | 22:26 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, okay elaborate on whatever | 22:26 |
| peterleinchen | ;) | 22:27 |
| juiceme | heh | 22:27 |
| juiceme | okay, have you had any thoughts about the possible competition? | 22:31 |
| juiceme | my pet idea would be (at least one category) as "compability", meaning SW usable on more than one device | 22:32 |
| reinob | nice idea | 22:35 |
| peterleinchen | martink asked for an "upgrade" category,i.e. existing but changing/extending SW | 22:35 |
| peterleinchen | I guess for ......... modrana? | 22:36 |
| juiceme | either applications that runs "as is" on more than one device or that are ported at the same time for more than one platform | 22:36 |
| juiceme | sure :) | 22:36 |
| peterleinchen | but I support that, too | 22:36 |
| juiceme | naturally shell-scripts, python, nodejs, all these are good candidates | 22:37 |
| peterleinchen | no limitations on prog lang at all | 22:37 |
| juiceme | or compiled apps that can be built from same sources | 22:38 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:38 |
| peterleinchen | last code comp ad lots of categories.maybe too much | 22:40 |
| peterleinchen | as we will not have that number of devs active anzmore | 22:40 |
| juiceme | that is true too | 22:40 |
| juiceme | quite a few left when N9 was abandoned | 22:41 |
| peterleinchen | yep. and for n900 there was not too much new apps lately | 22:41 |
| peterleinchen | do we want the SFOS to be a competition possibility? | 22:43 |
| juiceme | yes, I would not want to leave any of our devices out | 22:45 |
| juiceme | androids/IOS'ses/windozes are a different thingy | 22:45 |
| juiceme | but I consider SFOS valid since it is Mer | 22:46 |
| peterleinchen | wut, a nice win app does not count? :o | 22:46 |
| juiceme | I have to confess I haven't even got a clue how to develop apps for winphones | 22:47 |
| peterleinchen | ofc SFOS should count too. but Iguess as an own category. | 22:47 |
| juiceme | probably you'd need some MS tools for that, something that'd run on an OS that I haven't got :) | 22:48 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, ah yes for winPHONE: mee too. | 22:48 |
| juiceme | whatsit called, developer studio I think? | 22:49 |
| peterleinchen | visual studio | 22:49 |
| peterleinchen | since ages | 22:49 |
| juiceme | yes, that one :) | 22:49 |
| juiceme | heh, some years back I did do some compiling on a winxp box, when I needed to port an application running on windoze to linux, but we had mingw as compiler | 22:51 |
| juiceme | (mingw = gcc port for Win) | 22:51 |
| juiceme | so did not need Developer Studio :) | 22:51 |
| juiceme | but am sidetracking | 22:52 |
| peterleinchen | nowadays you can run gcc under cygwin or gnuwin | 22:52 |
| peterleinchen | yep | 22:52 |
| juiceme | so, categories needed. per device or per app type? | 22:52 |
| juiceme | or some other division? | 22:52 |
| reinob | dont know about sfos. isn't it outta scope? | 22:52 |
| peterleinchen | good question | 22:52 |
| juiceme | reinob how so? it's Mer-based, and it's got QT | 22:53 |
| peterleinchen | reinob, I thougt so, too. first | 22:53 |
| peterleinchen | but we should not exclude it | 22:53 |
| peterleinchen | but make an own category, else we get overwelmed | 22:54 |
| peterleinchen | and no entries for maemo devices .... | 22:54 |
| juiceme | yes, hence I was thinking whether the categories should be horizontal or vertical, whether make the division based on the OS or based on the application category | 22:55 |
| reinob | but sfos has already a(nother) community. or I am confused? | 22:55 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, think so? sure there's still development for Fremantle? | 22:55 |
| juiceme | TJC is not actually a community same way as TMO is | 22:56 |
| juiceme | it's not self-governed, not self-sufficent, not developer-driven | 22:56 |
| peterleinchen | just guess so. or am afraid of | 22:57 |
| peterleinchen | tjc is just an ask-box and it is wanted that way | 22:57 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:57 |
| peterleinchen | did you ever try to discuss someting there? | 22:58 |
| peterleinchen | with answer and/or comments? | 22:58 |
| juiceme | yes, but it is not really that fruitful | 22:58 |
| juiceme | have both asked and answered | 22:58 |
| peterleinchen | and not possible to track afterwards | 22:59 |
| juiceme | but the mechanism of askbot is not geared towards long-standing discussions | 22:59 |
| juiceme | I'd say it is impossible to build a community around that kind of interaction | 22:59 |
| reinob | OK. if nobody will be angry that we include sfos in our competition then I'm all for it. | 23:00 |
| peterleinchen | about cats I propose to distinguish in OS | 23:00 |
| reinob | juiceme: i agree. tjc is a mess | 23:00 |
| juiceme | I am sure there will be people who complain. Whichever way we decide :p | 23:00 |
| reinob | except for the portability category | 23:00 |
| reinob | juiceme: yep | 23:01 |
| peterleinchen | no one will be angry. lots of devs switched | 23:01 |
| peterleinchen | yup | 23:01 |
| reinob | do we then have a list of categories? | 23:02 |
| juiceme | for each device; category for games, location-apps, business-apps, media-apps? | 23:03 |
| juiceme | (for example) | 23:03 |
| juiceme | and then category for portability/compability | 23:03 |
| peterleinchen | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Coding_Competition_2012 | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83761 | 23:06 |
| reinob | and for each category: new or upgrade? or must all be stuff? | 23:07 |
| reinob | new stuff I mean | 23:07 |
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| juiceme | good question. which you feel is appropriate, it is for us to decide | 23:10 |
| peterlein | for updating it may be hard to decide what is enough | 23:11 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, so on 2012 competition there was no device-based divisions | 23:12 |
| peterlein | yes | 23:12 |
| juiceme | peterlein, true too. a colour scheme change or one new game level might not count as an update enough :) | 23:12 |
| peterlein | before fixing categories we sould alsoknow what (how much prices) we have to give away | 23:14 |
| juiceme | I'd like to say a complete new SW would be a good requirement, except for the compability category where porting an existing application to another device could count as a valid entry? | 23:15 |
| reinob | I'd go for new developments or really major updates. but latter is hard to judge, but I suppose if we get a statement of what is planned we can quickly decide | 23:16 |
| juiceme | yes, and wether to have prizes of devices or money | 23:16 |
| reinob | to me porting is equivalent to new software | 23:16 |
| juiceme | agreed | 23:17 |
| reinob | (in this context) | 23:17 |
| reinob | re. prize/device. didn't win7mac said that would be a matter for Maemo e.V.? | 23:18 |
| reinob | after all, we make proposals to them | 23:19 |
| juiceme | chem|st said that i think | 23:19 |
| reinob | yes. sorry I mixed up | 23:19 |
| juiceme | yes, we draw up the competition rules and board arranges for prizes | 23:19 |
| juiceme | np :) | 23:19 |
| reinob | but we need then some feedback before we can draw up the rules :) | 23:20 |
| reinob | or we just decide which categories and see what the board says | 23:20 |
| juiceme | I'd say we do that. | 23:20 |
| reinob | good | 23:21 |
| reinob | htheb and win7mac not there | 23:21 |
| juiceme | we can engage them later. | 23:21 |
| reinob | Ok | 23:22 |
| juiceme | what I propose is we continue by email thru the next week, and finalize what we want it to be like. | 23:22 |
| reinob | Ok. can you send an initial proposal and we complete/amend it? | 23:23 |
| peterlein | juiceme, yes. let us sleep one night and continue via mail, next week | 23:23 |
| juiceme | I'll do that tomorrow | 23:23 |
| juiceme | exactly. | 23:23 |
| reinob | fine. no hurry | 23:23 |
| peterlein | when to announce? | 23:24 |
| juiceme | so, unless AOB we hit da sack? | 23:24 |
| juiceme | announcement when we get confirmation on prizes | 23:24 |
| reinob | next tue we do final check/decision. when Ok from eV we announce | 23:25 |
| peterlein | I would not hurry, but we could get some attraction and input | 23:25 |
| reinob | OK? | 23:25 |
| reinob | we can informally pre-announce | 23:25 |
| peterlein | okay | 23:25 |
| juiceme | sure | 23:25 |
| reinob | there are irc logs anyway | 23:25 |
| reinob | :) | 23:25 |
| juiceme | heh, I wonder how many people actively read da irclogs :) | 23:26 |
| reinob | nsa? :) | 23:26 |
| juiceme | oo, sure them | 23:26 |
| peterlein | yes. and how much percentage of TMOlers know about irc? | 23:26 |
| peterlein | or even read??? | 23:26 |
| juiceme | I'd wager a guess pretty many, 20% maybe? | 23:27 |
| reinob | who cares :) good night! | 23:27 |
| reinob | :) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | gnite all! | 23:27 |
| peterlein | juiceme, sleep well | 23:27 |
| peterlein | reinob, night | 23:28 |
| chem|st | reinob: yeah I said that, this way no 'person' has ever control over prizes, and devices might be donated to MCeV and be provided as loaner too (optional requirement by donator) | 23:31 |
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