IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2015-09-22

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juicemehiya!21:49
juicemeI'm a bit early but thats because I am in train now, on mobile connection.21:50
juicemeso decided to knock in now, just in case I lose connection.21:51
juicemeand I need to drop offfor a while something like 22:20 EST+2 when I get to my destination and need to grab mi bicycle and pedal home from the station...21:53
juicemeHad an union meeting evening in Helsinki tonight and am going back home now...21:54
juicemehmh, nobody in yet...21:55
juicemehey ho, my clock says 21:0 CET now...22:03
juicemeor is it tuesday even?22:04
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HtheBhi22:05
HtheBanyone here atm?22:05
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Win7Machi! o/22:05
HtheBo/22:06
HtheBlol, I just joined 1 second ago to see if someone is here22:06
HtheBand you arrived! :P22:06
Win7Macit's tuesday and it's 21:00...22:06
Win7Macjuiceme already here too22:06
juicemewin7mac, hello!22:08
Win7Machi there!22:08
juicemehtheb, hello!22:08
HtheBhi22:08
juicemeguys, check irclog if you just arrived22:09
juicemeeasier for me to say that than repeat what I wrote about 15min ago :)22:10
HtheBheh22:10
HtheBfunny fact: I actually totally forget about the meeting22:10
juicemesince am on the road now22:10
HtheBI was actually here to ask for some help xD22:10
juiceme;)22:10
HtheBbut somehow, my "instinct" was good xD22:10
HtheBto be here :D22:10
juicemedid you get thne ehlp?22:10
HtheBI really didn't know what to "announce"22:10
juicemehelp even22:10
HtheBsince we ONLY talked that we will be here on 21:00 CET22:11
HtheBand, nothing else (important)22:11
HtheB:/22:11
juicemeah, okay22:11
HtheB(told you im a bad chairman)22:11
juicemewell, couls say something about new coucil meeting 1st time22:11
juicemehtheb, no, youll be perfect im sure22:12
HtheBno one is perfect22:12
HtheB:p22:12
HtheBguys, what about phone number swapping?22:12
juicemeah, coming to station, few minutes early22:12
juicemecould be OK idea22:13
HtheBneeded for situations like this to "ring" people up :D22:13
juicemesometimes it is better to talk than write22:13
juicemeyes22:13
HtheBor if you guys use propriatary IM's like Whatsapp, we could make some group :P22:13
HtheBbecause not everyone is active on IRC :(22:14
Win7Macemail + jabber here22:14
HtheBmaybe we can discuss about some "Maemo IM" ?22:14
juicemei am using nonesuch and proud of it :)22:14
HtheBjuiceme: i know, but IRC is fail if conn is lost22:14
Win7Macno whatsapp22:15
HtheBor if you are not here at all22:15
juicemejabber i could take int use but have not done yet22:15
HtheBwhat about any other app?22:15
juicemenever whatsupp ur any oyher corporate spyware!22:15
HtheBjuiceme: thats why i say: we could make our own simple app22:15
HtheBfor meetings22:15
juicemejabber +122:16
Win7Macthunderbird has a nice chat (jabber) implementation22:16
juicemeneed to setup a server first, once almost did it but there was something else which prevented it...22:16
HtheBWHat about Tox?22:17
juicemeisnt that corporate too?22:17
HtheBhttps://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore22:17
HtheBit's open22:17
juicemehmm, need to lok into it then22:18
juicemebut hey22:18
juicemeam now at station22:18
HtheBAlright22:18
juicemeneed to stop for a while and rikde home22:18
HtheBlets wait for the others too then, and continue when everyone is here :)22:18
juicemewill be back later whn i get to my ?machine22:19
Win7Macok22:19
juicemeya, see you later22:19
gerbickoh hey guys!22:19
HtheBo/22:20
Win7Machi gerbick!22:20
gerbickHow goes it?22:20
HtheBnothing much22:20
HtheBi was thinking of forcing all council members to use an app :p22:20
gerbickpoint to point encryption? why not Bleep or Telegram?22:21
HtheBgerbick: they rather have open variants22:21
HtheBso I adviced Tox22:21
gerbickit works?22:21
HtheBWith the rise of government monitoring programs, Tox provides an easy to use application that allows you to connect with friends and family without anyone else listening in. While other big-name services require you to pay for features, Tox is totally free and comes without advertising.22:21
HtheBneeds to be ported for sailfish22:22
HtheBelse, you can use the android client though22:22
gerbickI know what Tox is; my question though, does it work on the devices and platforms that you guys run?22:22
HtheBTelegram works on N900, N9 and Sailfish22:22
HtheBif you use another device: you shouldn't be a council member at all :P heheheh22:23
HtheBWhatsapp was out of question, no one likes it (neither do I, but I'm forced...)22:23
gerbickhttps://telegram.org/apps - and telegram does have their source out there - https://telegram.org/apps22:23
gerbickYeah, I do not think WhatsApp should be an option. Too much Facebook.22:24
HtheBit's not 100% open22:24
gerbickAgree. But if you go 100% open, then fallback to XMPP.22:24
HtheBthere are some API available22:24
gerbickBut here's the issue with being 100% open. It rarely works.22:24
gerbickThe folks don't keep it up and running.22:24
HtheBhttps://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore22:24
gerbickAnd above all, you limit yourself automatically22:25
HtheBTox sounds the best imo22:25
HtheBsecure, and (almost) all platforms22:25
gerbickmeh, I've yet to see it run.22:26
HtheByou can even run it on your desktop :)22:27
HtheBanyway, lets see what juiceme will say22:27
HtheBhe just said that he will look into it22:27
gerbickI'm merely a spectator - more naysayer honestly.22:27
HtheBit'll be a good move to atleast have some group chat where everybody is always connected on22:28
HtheB(like Telegram and Whatsapp)22:28
gerbicksurprised that you guys are looking outside of IRC22:28
HtheBanyway...... /me is waiting for juiceme to come back22:28
HtheBgerbick: where is everyone? :) I still miss a lot of guys from the council?22:29
gerbickUnderstood. How's the transition been so far?22:29
HtheBthis problem wouldn't be if we have a good IM group22:29
gerbickI've no clue! I finally have shifted my early week to allow me to work from home while we're in QA cycles, I get to attend. I22:29
HtheB:D22:29
gerbickI've missed the majority of my time during my council membership.22:29
gerbickSo where's everybody? HtheB - I've no clue. Usually they're all here!22:30
HtheBgerbick: well, they aren't :P22:30
gerbickI scared them off.22:30
gerbick;)22:30
HtheBsee, if we have a group, everyone would be alerted by 1 message :P22:30
HtheBthen everyone could join IRC22:30
gerbicklol22:30
gerbickyou're really pushing for that, eh? :-P22:30
HtheBalso: if you have a bad connection (like sometimes I have) you miss like 892439283 messages22:30
HtheByup :)22:31
HtheBwhen you miss messages, you need to read log etc22:31
HtheBit's just not as easy22:31
Win7MacHtheB, on my mobile, I'm not 'always online'22:31
HtheBoh and sometimes, you write, and it seems that connection is not so stable, and your messages arent sent at all...22:31
HtheBwhich sucks22:31
HtheBfile transfer is much easier, voice messages, i donno... there are tons of things which is only a good sign to have a good council22:32
HtheBWin7Mac: you better be always online hahah22:32
Win7MacI'm fine with IRC, tbh22:33
HtheBwe're on 2015 xD22:33
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pmgcHiya everybody22:34
Win7Machi!22:34
gerbickhey there pmgc22:34
gerbickwhat's up Win7Mac22:35
Win7Macnothing much22:35
Win7Macall fine :)22:35
pmgcHeya Gerbick :D     Sadly Can't stay long at all here today or next tuesday ...doc appointments ...in fact I have to start getting my foot out the door...will keep my chat open so I can read the meetings when I get back though...22:36
gerbickThat'll work!22:36
pmgcYeah...frankly I'd rather chat with my buds than get poked and prodded any old day :D22:37
pmgcFore I step out ...how is everybody?22:38
gerbickAll good here. In a conference call, but cruising IRC.22:40
pmgcalritey I'm off ...I read the meeting once I'm back...have fun everyone ...later22:44
pmgcp.s. - Glad to know there aren't any tumults happening with everyone and all is serene and loverly :)22:45
Win7Mac;)22:47
HtheBpmgc: you can also read the logs you know :p22:47
juicemehi again!22:50
juicemejust a minute I'll read the backlog22:51
Win7Macanybody got response from techstaff regarding mail alias and stuff?22:52
juicemegerbick, hi22:55
juicemepmgc, hi22:55
gerbickWhat's up juiceme22:55
juicemejust got back home, was here prevously via mobile22:56
juicemehad a late evening meeting with union honchos (am trade union representative on my workplace)22:56
juicemeand we do have a kind of situation in finland now, dunno if it makes the news there :)22:57
Win7Macno :(22:57
juicemeah too bad... we had such a beautiful demonstration last friday22:57
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juicemepeterleinchen, hi!22:57
gerbickGreetings peterleinchen22:58
* HtheB slaps peterleinchen22:58
HtheByou're late!22:58
HtheB1 hour22:58
juicemehmm in the previos schedule still :)22:58
peterleinchenhi all22:58
Win7Maco/22:58
juicemebut hey I was 20 min early so that kind of compensateds :)22:59
juicemegerbick, the discussion about instant message clients/protocols was because HtheB wants some method to alert council members to go to IRC if needed23:00
gerbickOh, I understood. I'm just not a fan of those esoteric open source options that are oft abandoned, juiceme23:00
juicemeand we got to the point that I promptly turned down anything smelling remontely company-controlled and not 100% open...23:00
juicemewell there's always SMS23:01
gerbickluck with that then... tox is an option23:01
juiceme:p23:01
juicemehafta check that. I kind of thought it is strictly point-to-point23:01
juicemebut so is phonecall & SMS too23:02
Win7Macpls no proprietary stuff23:03
Win7Macnot sure we need phonenumbers...23:03
Win7Macbut mine is public anyway23:04
Win7Machttp://gido-griese.de/kontakt/23:04
juicemeI'm ready to give mine out on private message, just not write it here on the channel for bots to pick from logs :)23:04
HtheB+1234567890 !23:05
HtheBhave fun bots23:05
Win7Mac;)(23:05
Win7Mac;)23:05
HtheBhaha23:05
juicemeabout this tox thing, quickly looked at it. so it seems decentraliced (which is good)23:05
juicemeis that so?23:05
HtheByeah23:05
Win7Macdoes it provide a public log?23:06
juicemekinda skype-like, but with no central control&dictionary?23:06
Win7Maci have no cam + mic at my pc though23:06
Win7Macand won't install just for that23:07
HtheBTox protects your privacy by removing the need to rely on central authorities to provide messenger services, concealing your identity(In the form of meta-data, your IP address) from people who are not your authorized friends, enforcing Off-The-Record Messaging as the default and only mode of operation for all messages, and by making your identity impossible to forge without stealing your23:07
HtheBpersonal private key on your own computer.23:07
juicemecould be wotrthwhile to port it to handhelds then23:07
HtheBthere is an Android build already, for those who can use android runtime23:08
juicememaemo or sfos would do for me :)23:09
Win7Machehe23:09
HtheBnieldk has ported something23:09
HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9372923:09
juicemeWin7Mac, I'm pretty sure you guessed what I'd answer already :)23:10
Win7Macerr...?23:11
HtheBWin7Mac: he was referring to your "hehe", it looked like you already know what juiceme would reply me such thing (about having it on Maemo and SFOS)23:12
HtheBanyway, juiceme: have you looked into the tmo link already>?23:13
Win7MacHtheB, ok, right23:13
juicemeyes, that was exactly the thing I meant :)23:15
juicemeHtheB you nailed it23:15
juicemeam looking at it, thereƤs a start definitely23:15
Win7Macsure we want on "our" OS'es...23:15
juicemeseems coderus has an opinion it is a battery hog, that so?23:17
HtheBseems so23:18
juicemean IM client (that's always listening form incoming messages) needs to be very slim on battery usage IMHO23:18
HtheBbecause it's nodes-based network23:18
HtheBjuiceme: well, Whatsapp uses almost nothing as battery usage23:19
HtheBsame story goes for Telegram23:19
HtheBwhich has also encryption option23:19
juicemeso it means same should be possible for tox too23:20
juicemebut we do digress a bit.23:21
juicemeanything else to discuss except IM clients? :)23:22
Win7Macanybody got response from techstaff regarding mail alias and stuff?23:22
Win7Mac- I didn't yet23:22
Win7Macand what can we do to support SW development? Would a coding competition like we used to know still be appropriate?and what can we do to support SW development? Would a coding competition like we used to know still be appropriate?23:27
HtheBshould I get it?23:27
Win7Macsure23:27
HtheBI didnt get anything23:28
Win7Machttps://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council needs update too23:28
HtheBWin7Mac: coding competition would be nice23:28
Win7Macwe should remind techstaff then23:29
juicemeplease do.23:29
Win7Macok23:29
juicemehmm just an idea... could be council mail bouncer has been implemented actually.23:30
juicemewill test it now23:30
juicemedid you get any mail?23:31
juicemeHtheB, Win7Mac ?23:31
juicemepeterleinchen sure does, that I know23:31
HtheBnow? no23:32
HtheBbefore? also no23:32
Win7Macno23:32
* peterleinchen got it23:32
Win7Macmail to techstaff sent23:33
HtheBnice23:36
Win7Maccloaks would be nice too23:39
peterleinchenbtw, regarding late: CET21:00 is UTC20:00 is CEST22:0023:39
HtheBfu peterleinchen23:39
HtheB(heheh)23:39
HtheBi knew you would say such thing :p23:39
juicemecloaks I can get to you23:40
juicemehave you registered your nicks?23:40
Win7MacI believe so23:40
peterleinchenjuiceme, thx (already have)23:40
juicemepeterleinchen, I know *you* have23:40
peterleinchenhtheb, get used to it ;)23:41
gerbickgot the email, juiceme23:41
peterleinchenjuiceme, and  already had had before :)23:42
juicemegerbick, then it means it's the old council list still23:42
peterleinchensame goes for TMO nicks23:42
HtheBwho will edit the wiki page?23:43
HtheBfor the council23:43
HtheBseems like it's not edited for a while now23:43
gerbicknooooo... you can't take down my name!23:43
Win7Mac;)23:43
peterleinchengerbick, you were on candidate  list? ;)23:44
gerbickI think in invisible ink... yes ;)23:45
peterleinchen:)23:45
HtheBguys23:47
juicemehmm I was thinking23:47
HtheBwho will take up the task to edit the wiki page23:47
HtheBfor council members23:48
HtheBhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council23:48
Win7Maci can, when i get access...23:48
juicemeabout the council cloaks... should ex-councillors be awarded something like "@Maemo/community/ex-council/username" cloak... :)23:49
juicemeor "@Maemo/community/emeritus/username" cloak... :)23:49
HtheBjuiceme: come to think of it... my status is still Moderator only23:49
HtheBwould love to see something with Chairman as well :p23:49
Win7Macyeah, with a scepter ;)23:50
juicemeHtheB, we cannot get it all :)23:50
juicemestaff-of-office :)23:50
gerbickEmperor HtheB does sound good though...23:51
HtheBDictator :P23:51
juicemeya!23:51
HtheBguys on a serious note23:52
Win7Macyes23:52
juicemebut anyway, if you *do* have registered nicknames ( = meaning, you need to enter a passphraze to login with your nick)23:52
juicemethen I can get you cloaks23:53
HtheBalright23:53
HtheBAnother note23:53
juicemehas reinob also registered his nick?23:54
Win7MacI did23:54
Win7Macdon't know about reinob23:54
HtheBSomeone mentioned Coding competition23:54
juiceme(as a sidenote, is there any easy way to *know* if someone has a registered nick... without trying to take it?)23:54
HtheBWin7Mac: I actually love to see a coding competition going on23:55
HtheBespecially now that Sailfish is a bit on uprising with 2.023:55
HtheBWe need some quality apps :)23:55
juicemeI'd like to have a coding competition, yes. Proposed it once but there was something at the time that was more important...23:55
juicemewe'll need to work on it.23:56
juicemethere's already some doinated prizes, N9's mostly if I recall correctly23:56
HtheBI think people should be able to chip in23:56
juicemeand we could always raise cash for it23:57
HtheBto rise up the price23:57
juicemeyes23:57
HtheBexactly23:57
Win7Mac:)23:57
HtheBOk guys sorry for the big spam that is coming up: but this is what we have discussed the last time:23:57
juicemethat'll be topic for later, getting late here23:57
HtheB-Last week-23:57
HtheB* new council members are <names>23:57
HtheB* HtheB is the new chairman of Maemo.org23:57
HtheB* Council meetings will be held on every tuesday at 21:00 CEST23:57
HtheBand this will be in todays meeting announcements:23:58
HtheB* Discussing an IM solution to ping users to join the meeting if they arent here. Tox might be one of the solutions.23:58
HtheB* Council Member Wiki page has to be updated https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council23:58
HtheBWin7Mac will update this once he has access to it.23:58
HtheB* No one has got a response from techstaff regarding mail alias and stuff. Needs to be reminded.23:58
HtheB* juiceme will try to get cloaks for council member usernames23:58
HtheB* A coding competition will be announced soon-ish23:58
Win7Macerr... * HtheB is the new Council chairman23:58
juicemeWin7Mac, yes :)23:59
juicemeseems HtheB already took the title of emperor of maemo.org :)23:59
HtheBhahahah23:59
Win7Mac:)23:59

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