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| juiceme | hiya! | 21:49 |
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| juiceme | I'm a bit early but thats because I am in train now, on mobile connection. | 21:50 |
| juiceme | so decided to knock in now, just in case I lose connection. | 21:51 |
| juiceme | and I need to drop offfor a while something like 22:20 EST+2 when I get to my destination and need to grab mi bicycle and pedal home from the station... | 21:53 |
| juiceme | Had an union meeting evening in Helsinki tonight and am going back home now... | 21:54 |
| juiceme | hmh, nobody in yet... | 21:55 |
| juiceme | hey ho, my clock says 21:0 CET now... | 22:03 |
| juiceme | or is it tuesday even? | 22:04 |
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| HtheB | hi | 22:05 |
| HtheB | anyone here atm? | 22:05 |
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| Win7Mac | hi! o/ | 22:05 |
| HtheB | o/ | 22:06 |
| HtheB | lol, I just joined 1 second ago to see if someone is here | 22:06 |
| HtheB | and you arrived! :P | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | it's tuesday and it's 21:00... | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme already here too | 22:06 |
| juiceme | win7mac, hello! | 22:08 |
| Win7Mac | hi there! | 22:08 |
| juiceme | htheb, hello! | 22:08 |
| HtheB | hi | 22:08 |
| juiceme | guys, check irclog if you just arrived | 22:09 |
| juiceme | easier for me to say that than repeat what I wrote about 15min ago :) | 22:10 |
| HtheB | heh | 22:10 |
| HtheB | funny fact: I actually totally forget about the meeting | 22:10 |
| juiceme | since am on the road now | 22:10 |
| HtheB | I was actually here to ask for some help xD | 22:10 |
| juiceme | ;) | 22:10 |
| HtheB | but somehow, my "instinct" was good xD | 22:10 |
| HtheB | to be here :D | 22:10 |
| juiceme | did you get thne ehlp? | 22:10 |
| HtheB | I really didn't know what to "announce" | 22:10 |
| juiceme | help even | 22:10 |
| HtheB | since we ONLY talked that we will be here on 21:00 CET | 22:11 |
| HtheB | and, nothing else (important) | 22:11 |
| HtheB | :/ | 22:11 |
| juiceme | ah, okay | 22:11 |
| HtheB | (told you im a bad chairman) | 22:11 |
| juiceme | well, couls say something about new coucil meeting 1st time | 22:11 |
| juiceme | htheb, no, youll be perfect im sure | 22:12 |
| HtheB | no one is perfect | 22:12 |
| HtheB | :p | 22:12 |
| HtheB | guys, what about phone number swapping? | 22:12 |
| juiceme | ah, coming to station, few minutes early | 22:12 |
| juiceme | could be OK idea | 22:13 |
| HtheB | needed for situations like this to "ring" people up :D | 22:13 |
| juiceme | sometimes it is better to talk than write | 22:13 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:13 |
| HtheB | or if you guys use propriatary IM's like Whatsapp, we could make some group :P | 22:13 |
| HtheB | because not everyone is active on IRC :( | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | email + jabber here | 22:14 |
| HtheB | maybe we can discuss about some "Maemo IM" ? | 22:14 |
| juiceme | i am using nonesuch and proud of it :) | 22:14 |
| HtheB | juiceme: i know, but IRC is fail if conn is lost | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | no whatsapp | 22:15 |
| HtheB | or if you are not here at all | 22:15 |
| juiceme | jabber i could take int use but have not done yet | 22:15 |
| HtheB | what about any other app? | 22:15 |
| juiceme | never whatsupp ur any oyher corporate spyware! | 22:15 |
| HtheB | juiceme: thats why i say: we could make our own simple app | 22:15 |
| HtheB | for meetings | 22:15 |
| juiceme | jabber +1 | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | thunderbird has a nice chat (jabber) implementation | 22:16 |
| juiceme | need to setup a server first, once almost did it but there was something else which prevented it... | 22:16 |
| HtheB | WHat about Tox? | 22:17 |
| juiceme | isnt that corporate too? | 22:17 |
| HtheB | https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore | 22:17 |
| HtheB | it's open | 22:17 |
| juiceme | hmm, need to lok into it then | 22:18 |
| juiceme | but hey | 22:18 |
| juiceme | am now at station | 22:18 |
| HtheB | Alright | 22:18 |
| juiceme | need to stop for a while and rikde home | 22:18 |
| HtheB | lets wait for the others too then, and continue when everyone is here :) | 22:18 |
| juiceme | will be back later whn i get to my ?machine | 22:19 |
| Win7Mac | ok | 22:19 |
| juiceme | ya, see you later | 22:19 |
| gerbick | oh hey guys! | 22:19 |
| HtheB | o/ | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | hi gerbick! | 22:20 |
| gerbick | How goes it? | 22:20 |
| HtheB | nothing much | 22:20 |
| HtheB | i was thinking of forcing all council members to use an app :p | 22:20 |
| gerbick | point to point encryption? why not Bleep or Telegram? | 22:21 |
| HtheB | gerbick: they rather have open variants | 22:21 |
| HtheB | so I adviced Tox | 22:21 |
| gerbick | it works? | 22:21 |
| HtheB | With the rise of government monitoring programs, Tox provides an easy to use application that allows you to connect with friends and family without anyone else listening in. While other big-name services require you to pay for features, Tox is totally free and comes without advertising. | 22:21 |
| HtheB | needs to be ported for sailfish | 22:22 |
| HtheB | else, you can use the android client though | 22:22 |
| gerbick | I know what Tox is; my question though, does it work on the devices and platforms that you guys run? | 22:22 |
| HtheB | Telegram works on N900, N9 and Sailfish | 22:22 |
| HtheB | if you use another device: you shouldn't be a council member at all :P heheheh | 22:23 |
| HtheB | Whatsapp was out of question, no one likes it (neither do I, but I'm forced...) | 22:23 |
| gerbick | https://telegram.org/apps - and telegram does have their source out there - https://telegram.org/apps | 22:23 |
| gerbick | Yeah, I do not think WhatsApp should be an option. Too much Facebook. | 22:24 |
| HtheB | it's not 100% open | 22:24 |
| gerbick | Agree. But if you go 100% open, then fallback to XMPP. | 22:24 |
| HtheB | there are some API available | 22:24 |
| gerbick | But here's the issue with being 100% open. It rarely works. | 22:24 |
| gerbick | The folks don't keep it up and running. | 22:24 |
| HtheB | https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore | 22:24 |
| gerbick | And above all, you limit yourself automatically | 22:25 |
| HtheB | Tox sounds the best imo | 22:25 |
| HtheB | secure, and (almost) all platforms | 22:25 |
| gerbick | meh, I've yet to see it run. | 22:26 |
| HtheB | you can even run it on your desktop :) | 22:27 |
| HtheB | anyway, lets see what juiceme will say | 22:27 |
| HtheB | he just said that he will look into it | 22:27 |
| gerbick | I'm merely a spectator - more naysayer honestly. | 22:27 |
| HtheB | it'll be a good move to atleast have some group chat where everybody is always connected on | 22:28 |
| HtheB | (like Telegram and Whatsapp) | 22:28 |
| gerbick | surprised that you guys are looking outside of IRC | 22:28 |
| HtheB | anyway...... /me is waiting for juiceme to come back | 22:28 |
| HtheB | gerbick: where is everyone? :) I still miss a lot of guys from the council? | 22:29 |
| gerbick | Understood. How's the transition been so far? | 22:29 |
| HtheB | this problem wouldn't be if we have a good IM group | 22:29 |
| gerbick | I've no clue! I finally have shifted my early week to allow me to work from home while we're in QA cycles, I get to attend. I | 22:29 |
| HtheB | :D | 22:29 |
| gerbick | I've missed the majority of my time during my council membership. | 22:29 |
| gerbick | So where's everybody? HtheB - I've no clue. Usually they're all here! | 22:30 |
| HtheB | gerbick: well, they aren't :P | 22:30 |
| gerbick | I scared them off. | 22:30 |
| gerbick | ;) | 22:30 |
| HtheB | see, if we have a group, everyone would be alerted by 1 message :P | 22:30 |
| HtheB | then everyone could join IRC | 22:30 |
| gerbick | lol | 22:30 |
| gerbick | you're really pushing for that, eh? :-P | 22:30 |
| HtheB | also: if you have a bad connection (like sometimes I have) you miss like 892439283 messages | 22:30 |
| HtheB | yup :) | 22:31 |
| HtheB | when you miss messages, you need to read log etc | 22:31 |
| HtheB | it's just not as easy | 22:31 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, on my mobile, I'm not 'always online' | 22:31 |
| HtheB | oh and sometimes, you write, and it seems that connection is not so stable, and your messages arent sent at all... | 22:31 |
| HtheB | which sucks | 22:31 |
| HtheB | file transfer is much easier, voice messages, i donno... there are tons of things which is only a good sign to have a good council | 22:32 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: you better be always online hahah | 22:32 |
| Win7Mac | I'm fine with IRC, tbh | 22:33 |
| HtheB | we're on 2015 xD | 22:33 |
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| pmgc | Hiya everybody | 22:34 |
| Win7Mac | hi! | 22:34 |
| gerbick | hey there pmgc | 22:34 |
| gerbick | what's up Win7Mac | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | nothing much | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | all fine :) | 22:35 |
| pmgc | Heya Gerbick :D Sadly Can't stay long at all here today or next tuesday ...doc appointments ...in fact I have to start getting my foot out the door...will keep my chat open so I can read the meetings when I get back though... | 22:36 |
| gerbick | That'll work! | 22:36 |
| pmgc | Yeah...frankly I'd rather chat with my buds than get poked and prodded any old day :D | 22:37 |
| pmgc | Fore I step out ...how is everybody? | 22:38 |
| gerbick | All good here. In a conference call, but cruising IRC. | 22:40 |
| pmgc | alritey I'm off ...I read the meeting once I'm back...have fun everyone ...later | 22:44 |
| pmgc | p.s. - Glad to know there aren't any tumults happening with everyone and all is serene and loverly :) | 22:45 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:47 |
| HtheB | pmgc: you can also read the logs you know :p | 22:47 |
| juiceme | hi again! | 22:50 |
| juiceme | just a minute I'll read the backlog | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | anybody got response from techstaff regarding mail alias and stuff? | 22:52 |
| juiceme | gerbick, hi | 22:55 |
| juiceme | pmgc, hi | 22:55 |
| gerbick | What's up juiceme | 22:55 |
| juiceme | just got back home, was here prevously via mobile | 22:56 |
| juiceme | had a late evening meeting with union honchos (am trade union representative on my workplace) | 22:56 |
| juiceme | and we do have a kind of situation in finland now, dunno if it makes the news there :) | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | no :( | 22:57 |
| juiceme | ah too bad... we had such a beautiful demonstration last friday | 22:57 |
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| juiceme | peterleinchen, hi! | 22:57 |
| gerbick | Greetings peterleinchen | 22:58 |
| * HtheB slaps peterleinchen | 22:58 | |
| HtheB | you're late! | 22:58 |
| HtheB | 1 hour | 22:58 |
| juiceme | hmm in the previos schedule still :) | 22:58 |
| peterleinchen | hi all | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | o/ | 22:58 |
| juiceme | but hey I was 20 min early so that kind of compensateds :) | 22:59 |
| juiceme | gerbick, the discussion about instant message clients/protocols was because HtheB wants some method to alert council members to go to IRC if needed | 23:00 |
| gerbick | Oh, I understood. I'm just not a fan of those esoteric open source options that are oft abandoned, juiceme | 23:00 |
| juiceme | and we got to the point that I promptly turned down anything smelling remontely company-controlled and not 100% open... | 23:00 |
| juiceme | well there's always SMS | 23:01 |
| gerbick | luck with that then... tox is an option | 23:01 |
| juiceme | :p | 23:01 |
| juiceme | hafta check that. I kind of thought it is strictly point-to-point | 23:01 |
| juiceme | but so is phonecall & SMS too | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | pls no proprietary stuff | 23:03 |
| Win7Mac | not sure we need phonenumbers... | 23:03 |
| Win7Mac | but mine is public anyway | 23:04 |
| Win7Mac | http://gido-griese.de/kontakt/ | 23:04 |
| juiceme | I'm ready to give mine out on private message, just not write it here on the channel for bots to pick from logs :) | 23:04 |
| HtheB | +1234567890 ! | 23:05 |
| HtheB | have fun bots | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | ;)( | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:05 |
| HtheB | haha | 23:05 |
| juiceme | about this tox thing, quickly looked at it. so it seems decentraliced (which is good) | 23:05 |
| juiceme | is that so? | 23:05 |
| HtheB | yeah | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | does it provide a public log? | 23:06 |
| juiceme | kinda skype-like, but with no central control&dictionary? | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | i have no cam + mic at my pc though | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | and won't install just for that | 23:07 |
| HtheB | Tox protects your privacy by removing the need to rely on central authorities to provide messenger services, concealing your identity(In the form of meta-data, your IP address) from people who are not your authorized friends, enforcing Off-The-Record Messaging as the default and only mode of operation for all messages, and by making your identity impossible to forge without stealing your | 23:07 |
| HtheB | personal private key on your own computer. | 23:07 |
| juiceme | could be wotrthwhile to port it to handhelds then | 23:07 |
| HtheB | there is an Android build already, for those who can use android runtime | 23:08 |
| juiceme | maemo or sfos would do for me :) | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | hehe | 23:09 |
| HtheB | nieldk has ported something | 23:09 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93729 | 23:09 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, I'm pretty sure you guessed what I'd answer already :) | 23:10 |
| Win7Mac | err...? | 23:11 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: he was referring to your "hehe", it looked like you already know what juiceme would reply me such thing (about having it on Maemo and SFOS) | 23:12 |
| HtheB | anyway, juiceme: have you looked into the tmo link already>? | 23:13 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, ok, right | 23:13 |
| juiceme | yes, that was exactly the thing I meant :) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | HtheB you nailed it | 23:15 |
| juiceme | am looking at it, thereäs a start definitely | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | sure we want on "our" OS'es... | 23:15 |
| juiceme | seems coderus has an opinion it is a battery hog, that so? | 23:17 |
| HtheB | seems so | 23:18 |
| juiceme | an IM client (that's always listening form incoming messages) needs to be very slim on battery usage IMHO | 23:18 |
| HtheB | because it's nodes-based network | 23:18 |
| HtheB | juiceme: well, Whatsapp uses almost nothing as battery usage | 23:19 |
| HtheB | same story goes for Telegram | 23:19 |
| HtheB | which has also encryption option | 23:19 |
| juiceme | so it means same should be possible for tox too | 23:20 |
| juiceme | but we do digress a bit. | 23:21 |
| juiceme | anything else to discuss except IM clients? :) | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | anybody got response from techstaff regarding mail alias and stuff? | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | - I didn't yet | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | and what can we do to support SW development? Would a coding competition like we used to know still be appropriate?and what can we do to support SW development? Would a coding competition like we used to know still be appropriate? | 23:27 |
| HtheB | should I get it? | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | sure | 23:27 |
| HtheB | I didnt get anything | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council needs update too | 23:28 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: coding competition would be nice | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | we should remind techstaff then | 23:29 |
| juiceme | please do. | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | ok | 23:29 |
| juiceme | hmm just an idea... could be council mail bouncer has been implemented actually. | 23:30 |
| juiceme | will test it now | 23:30 |
| juiceme | did you get any mail? | 23:31 |
| juiceme | HtheB, Win7Mac ? | 23:31 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen sure does, that I know | 23:31 |
| HtheB | now? no | 23:32 |
| HtheB | before? also no | 23:32 |
| Win7Mac | no | 23:32 |
| * peterleinchen got it | 23:32 | |
| Win7Mac | mail to techstaff sent | 23:33 |
| HtheB | nice | 23:36 |
| Win7Mac | cloaks would be nice too | 23:39 |
| peterleinchen | btw, regarding late: CET21:00 is UTC20:00 is CEST22:00 | 23:39 |
| HtheB | fu peterleinchen | 23:39 |
| HtheB | (heheh) | 23:39 |
| HtheB | i knew you would say such thing :p | 23:39 |
| juiceme | cloaks I can get to you | 23:40 |
| juiceme | have you registered your nicks? | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | I believe so | 23:40 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, thx (already have) | 23:40 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, I know *you* have | 23:40 |
| peterleinchen | htheb, get used to it ;) | 23:41 |
| gerbick | got the email, juiceme | 23:41 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, and already had had before :) | 23:42 |
| juiceme | gerbick, then it means it's the old council list still | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen | same goes for TMO nicks | 23:42 |
| HtheB | who will edit the wiki page? | 23:43 |
| HtheB | for the council | 23:43 |
| HtheB | seems like it's not edited for a while now | 23:43 |
| gerbick | nooooo... you can't take down my name! | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen | gerbick, you were on candidate list? ;) | 23:44 |
| gerbick | I think in invisible ink... yes ;) | 23:45 |
| peterleinchen | :) | 23:45 |
| HtheB | guys | 23:47 |
| juiceme | hmm I was thinking | 23:47 |
| HtheB | who will take up the task to edit the wiki page | 23:47 |
| HtheB | for council members | 23:48 |
| HtheB | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 23:48 |
| Win7Mac | i can, when i get access... | 23:48 |
| juiceme | about the council cloaks... should ex-councillors be awarded something like "@Maemo/community/ex-council/username" cloak... :) | 23:49 |
| juiceme | or "@Maemo/community/emeritus/username" cloak... :) | 23:49 |
| HtheB | juiceme: come to think of it... my status is still Moderator only | 23:49 |
| HtheB | would love to see something with Chairman as well :p | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, with a scepter ;) | 23:50 |
| juiceme | HtheB, we cannot get it all :) | 23:50 |
| juiceme | staff-of-office :) | 23:50 |
| gerbick | Emperor HtheB does sound good though... | 23:51 |
| HtheB | Dictator :P | 23:51 |
| juiceme | ya! | 23:51 |
| HtheB | guys on a serious note | 23:52 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 23:52 |
| juiceme | but anyway, if you *do* have registered nicknames ( = meaning, you need to enter a passphraze to login with your nick) | 23:52 |
| juiceme | then I can get you cloaks | 23:53 |
| HtheB | alright | 23:53 |
| HtheB | Another note | 23:53 |
| juiceme | has reinob also registered his nick? | 23:54 |
| Win7Mac | I did | 23:54 |
| Win7Mac | don't know about reinob | 23:54 |
| HtheB | Someone mentioned Coding competition | 23:54 |
| juiceme | (as a sidenote, is there any easy way to *know* if someone has a registered nick... without trying to take it?) | 23:54 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: I actually love to see a coding competition going on | 23:55 |
| HtheB | especially now that Sailfish is a bit on uprising with 2.0 | 23:55 |
| HtheB | We need some quality apps :) | 23:55 |
| juiceme | I'd like to have a coding competition, yes. Proposed it once but there was something at the time that was more important... | 23:55 |
| juiceme | we'll need to work on it. | 23:56 |
| juiceme | there's already some doinated prizes, N9's mostly if I recall correctly | 23:56 |
| HtheB | I think people should be able to chip in | 23:56 |
| juiceme | and we could always raise cash for it | 23:57 |
| HtheB | to rise up the price | 23:57 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:57 |
| HtheB | exactly | 23:57 |
| Win7Mac | :) | 23:57 |
| HtheB | Ok guys sorry for the big spam that is coming up: but this is what we have discussed the last time: | 23:57 |
| juiceme | that'll be topic for later, getting late here | 23:57 |
| HtheB | -Last week- | 23:57 |
| HtheB | * new council members are <names> | 23:57 |
| HtheB | * HtheB is the new chairman of Maemo.org | 23:57 |
| HtheB | * Council meetings will be held on every tuesday at 21:00 CEST | 23:57 |
| HtheB | and this will be in todays meeting announcements: | 23:58 |
| HtheB | * Discussing an IM solution to ping users to join the meeting if they arent here. Tox might be one of the solutions. | 23:58 |
| HtheB | * Council Member Wiki page has to be updated https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 23:58 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac will update this once he has access to it. | 23:58 |
| HtheB | * No one has got a response from techstaff regarding mail alias and stuff. Needs to be reminded. | 23:58 |
| HtheB | * juiceme will try to get cloaks for council member usernames | 23:58 |
| HtheB | * A coding competition will be announced soon-ish | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | err... * HtheB is the new Council chairman | 23:58 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, yes :) | 23:59 |
| juiceme | seems HtheB already took the title of emperor of maemo.org :) | 23:59 |
| HtheB | hahahah | 23:59 |
| Win7Mac | :) | 23:59 |
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