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| reinob | is it time or did I get UTC>CET wrong? :) | 22:03 |
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| HtheB | yes, it's time :) | 22:04 |
| reinob | :) | 22:05 |
| HtheB | so... no one is here? | 22:13 |
| reinob | 2 of 5 | 22:14 |
| reinob | juiceme is supposed to be here as well | 22:15 |
| reinob | no idea about peterleinchen or win7mac | 22:16 |
| juiceme | hi guys! | 22:20 |
| reinob | hey! | 22:20 |
| juiceme | you're early today | 22:20 |
| juiceme | which is good :) | 22:20 |
| reinob | I promise it won't happen again :) | 22:21 |
| juiceme | HtheB, you working now? | 22:21 |
| juiceme | reinob, no problem :) | 22:21 |
| HtheB | early? | 22:21 |
| juiceme | usually it has been so that people drop in a bit too late | 22:21 |
| HtheB | I don't like that... time = time | 22:21 |
| juiceme | HtheB, it's 19:21 UTC now | 22:21 |
| HtheB | I checked it online | 22:22 |
| HtheB | thats weird | 22:22 |
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| reinob | oh, I thought 20:00 UTC is 21:00 CET | 22:22 |
| juiceme | i checked it just now too. "utc time now" in google | 22:22 |
| HtheB | UTC > CET = + 1 hour | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | o/ | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | hi guys :) | 22:22 |
| juiceme | we have summer time, hence the difference | 22:23 |
| reinob | shit I messed up again | 22:23 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi! | 22:23 |
| * HtheB kicks Win7Mac | 22:23 | |
| HtheB | you're late! | 22:23 |
| HtheB | :P | 22:23 |
| * reinob facepalms | 22:23 | |
| reinob | hi all | 22:23 |
| HtheB | juiceme, yeah I'm at work | 22:23 |
| juiceme | UTC never shifts, it is always the same regardless of summer or winter | 22:23 |
| HtheB | 1,5 hour left | 22:23 |
| reinob | I'll be back in about 37 minutes | 22:23 |
| reinob | :) | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | I don't mind starting now, if get peterleinchen too | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | *we | 22:24 |
| juiceme | yes, no problem | 22:24 |
| reinob | OK for me | 22:25 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, ^^? | 22:25 |
| HtheB | i'm here | 22:25 |
| Win7Mac | ok for you? | 22:25 |
| HtheB | why not ok? like I said to juiceme, time is time | 22:26 |
| HtheB | :) | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | I'll pm peterleinchen then | 22:26 |
| HtheB | im here waiting with reinob like 25minutes | 22:26 |
| HtheB | so, where are you guys living? | 22:26 |
| HtheB | if we live in like the same region, we could use just our own time to avoid any confusin in the future | 22:26 |
| HtheB | confusion* | 22:27 |
| juiceme | HtheB, we can arrange the meeting time to be whatever we like. | 22:27 |
| Win7Mac | Germany | 22:27 |
| chem|st | HtheB: everyone has the same UTC ;) | 22:28 |
| juiceme | it has been 20:00 UTC because previous council had off-european timezone people | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | hi chem|st o/ | 22:28 |
| juiceme | chem|st, hi | 22:28 |
| reinob | yup but whether summertime CET is UTC+1 or UTC+2 is not *that* intuituve :) | 22:28 |
| reinob | I tend to mix it up | 22:28 |
| juiceme | I have to check it every time | 22:28 |
| juiceme | summer +3, winter +2 I think | 22:29 |
| reinob | I did check, but whatever random google hit gave me was clearly wrong | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, which timezone RU in? | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | *are you ;) | 22:29 |
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| peterleinchen | Hi | 22:30 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, hi! | 22:30 |
| * chem|st is walking away again | 22:30 | |
| reinob | hi there! | 22:30 |
| peterleinchen | you all nothing to do ;) | 22:30 |
| juiceme | Good, all the new councillors are already here! | 22:31 |
| reinob | we just couldn't wait! :-) | 22:31 |
| Win7Mac | Congratulations evereybody and Thanks for volunteering! | 22:31 |
| juiceme | I specifically asked for passing council members to attend today's meeting too, but it is possible they ahve not got the message (and are anyway coming around UTC 20...) | 22:32 |
| peterleinchen | did 8 miss something? | 22:32 |
| Win7Mac | Nice bunch | 22:32 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, probably not :) | 22:32 |
| HtheB | I live in the Netherlands, so CET | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | great | 22:34 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, WE are here ;) | 22:34 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:34 |
| HtheB | peterleinchen, yes u did nmiss something: my madness :P | 22:34 |
| peterleinchen | htheb, utc is utc :) | 22:34 |
| reinob | OK so we are all CET. makes things easier | 22:34 |
| HtheB | yes, and time is time :P | 22:34 |
| reinob | or is it? | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | so let's discuss meeting time | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | leave as is? | 22:35 |
| juiceme | hey, we might as well decide the meeting time and day-of-week then | 22:35 |
| peterleinchen | yes | 22:35 |
| reinob | OK | 22:35 |
| HtheB | ok | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | adopt summertime shift? | 22:35 |
| juiceme | any prederrable days, better than tuesday? | 22:35 |
| juiceme | tusday it is, then. | 22:35 |
| HtheB | mormally this time is ok for me, just today is a bit akward | 22:35 |
| peterleinchen | good | 22:36 |
| HtheB | normally* | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | i don't mind the day really | 22:36 |
| juiceme | for me, would probably be better an hour earlier or so. | 22:36 |
| reinob | Tuesday is fine. 22:00 CET (regardless of UTC) would be fine by me. | 22:36 |
| peterleinchen | got used to it :) | 22:36 |
| peterleinchen | reinob, too late for juiceme | 22:36 |
| juiceme | for me 20:00 UTC is 23:00, and I rise up 5:45 the next morning... | 22:37 |
| reinob | I don't like UTC because my time is CET. Evening is evening, and I go to bed (e.g.) at 23:00 regardless of DST | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | CET sounds good, because of summertime, no? | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | reinob, +1! | 22:37 |
| juiceme | we can use CET... what's the time there now? | 22:37 |
| reinob | We all have to wake up in the morning. Work and children don't give a flying duck about UTC | 22:38 |
| Win7Mac | 21:38 | 22:38 |
| juiceme | I am on EET+2 | 22:38 |
| reinob | 21:38 | 22:38 |
| juiceme | mu time is 22:38 | 22:38 |
| HtheB | 21:38 here | 22:39 |
| juiceme | so if we define it CET 22:00 it will be the same as now? | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | and 21:38 for peterleinchen too | 22:39 |
| reinob | OK how about 22:00 Finland 21:00 Germany/Netherlands | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | reinob, +1! | 22:39 |
| HtheB | yes | 22:39 |
| reinob | no, CET 22:00 would be 23:00 your time | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | +1 = YES | 22:40 |
| juiceme | I can live with it, but I prefer to stop around midnight to go to bed for some hours, so for me the meeting tendes to be max. 1h..1.5h long | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | like YES to 21:00 CET | 22:40 |
| peterleinchen | that would be 20:00 UTC | 22:40 |
| peterleinchen | ;) | 22:40 |
| HtheB | juiceme, just add 1 hour to our time | 22:40 |
| HtheB | to get your time | 22:40 |
| HtheB | even if it's summer/winter time | 22:40 |
| juiceme | yes, then it is 23:00 always for me. | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | no | 22:41 |
| juiceme | easy to remember though :) | 22:41 |
| juiceme | 22 CET = 23 EET (my time) | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | your time'd be 22:00 | 22:41 |
| juiceme | ah | 22:41 |
| HtheB | .... | 22:41 |
| juiceme | me sorry | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | 21:00 CET | 22:41 |
| juiceme | did not realize you changed it to 21 CER | 22:42 |
| juiceme | CET | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | so 22:00 for you | 22:42 |
| juiceme | that'll be good | 22:42 |
| peterleinchen | what about all 21:00 and juicem 22:00 local | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | i would mind an earlier too.. | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | *an hour | 22:42 |
| reinob | Take whatever time you see on your local wall clock and subtract 43 minutes. NOW. | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | f*ck, I wouldn't mind an hour earlier | 22:43 |
| reinob | Note down the time. In NL/DE should be 21:00 | 22:43 |
| HtheB | juiceme: 22:00 for you, every tuesday! write it down | 22:44 |
| juiceme | HtheB, will do : :) | 22:45 |
| HtheB | \o/ | 22:45 |
| Win7Mac | ok then | 22:45 |
| juiceme | and this way, when the next silly-timeswitch-due-to-lazy-politicians occurs, we need not change our schedule :) | 22:45 |
| juiceme | ^^^ DST | 22:46 |
| peterleinchen | yep | 22:46 |
| juiceme | which I hate becayuse it is just the silliest thing around | 22:46 |
| reinob | As long as FI stays in sync (+1) with DE/NL... | 22:46 |
| HtheB | daylight shitty time | 22:46 |
| peterleinchen | who can change announce on IRC to CET? | 22:46 |
| juiceme | reinob, I'm quite sure it stays :) | 22:46 |
| *** juiceme changes topic to "Next Council meeting next Tuesday 21:00CET | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/" | 22:47 | |
| juiceme | done :) | 22:47 |
| reinob | juiceme: I wouldn't bet a sandwich on it. Given the current trend of each EU country doing whatever it fucking wants.. | 22:47 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | hehe... | 22:48 |
| juiceme | russia did away with DST changes | 22:48 |
| juiceme | everybody should | 22:48 |
| reinob | I live in Munich. I'm happy I'm not German :) | 22:48 |
| juiceme | reinob, how long do you need to live there to become one? :) | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | reinob, what citicen are you if I may ask? | 22:49 |
| reinob | juiceme: as long as the EU exists I don't care. I guess 10 years or so. My second daughter was born in Munich and has 3 nationalities | 22:49 |
| HtheB | double nationality ftw! | 22:49 |
| juiceme | triple is even better :) | 22:50 |
| Win7Mac | nice | 22:50 |
| HtheB | haha | 22:50 |
| juiceme | both my sister and brother have dual nationality, finnish/canadian, but I am only finnish :( | 22:50 |
| reinob | BTW I also lived in NL, 5.5 years. My first daughter was born there, but doesn't have NL nationality | 22:51 |
| HtheB | but how come three?! | 22:51 |
| HtheB | double, i can understand (like myself) | 22:51 |
| HtheB | but 3?! | 22:51 |
| juiceme | she could still claim it, I think until she's 18. | 22:51 |
| reinob | mother AT father ES child1 NL (but didn't get it) child2 DE | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:52 |
| juiceme | just shows up how artifical the country denominations can be | 22:53 |
| HtheB | juiceme, nope.. not possible | 22:55 |
| HtheB | you can only have 1 if you want NL | 22:55 |
| HtheB | unless you already had it years ago, like i have | 22:55 |
| juiceme | ah, so it is local law, some countries allow more than 2 | 22:55 |
| reinob | yup and it depends on the particular combination of relevant countries. plus normally when you reach 18 years old you need to drop all but one. | 22:56 |
| juiceme | and in most cases if you are born in a country and don't get citizenship then, and move away, you can get it later up to some age. | 22:57 |
| reinob | anyway, andything substantive to discuss? | 22:57 |
| HtheB | so, now what? | 22:57 |
| juiceme | yes. | 22:57 |
| HtheB | exactly | 22:57 |
| juiceme | we need to agree on chairman | 22:57 |
| juiceme | usually tradition has been, one of the newcomers | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | nah... | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | not me at least ;) | 22:58 |
| juiceme | there's not that much difference, chair writes up minutes and makes official announcements and so on | 22:58 |
| reinob | I'd prefer an experienced chairman | 22:58 |
| reinob | juiceme is nice :) | 22:58 |
| juiceme | the reason why so, is to make the office rotate | 22:58 |
| peterleinchen | yep, exactly | 22:59 |
| juiceme | both me & peterleinchen have been at it already :) | 22:59 |
| juiceme | a I say, not a tedious thing | 22:59 |
| peterleinchen | and we do support and take over | 22:59 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:59 |
| reinob | for me the problem would be that I may not be available from time to time | 22:59 |
| juiceme | for example, as Oksana has been unable to attend lately, I have done it instead of her | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen did it tremendously ;) | 23:00 |
| reinob | +1 | 23:01 |
| juiceme | I vote for HtheB | 23:01 |
| reinob | did he candidate? :) | 23:01 |
| HtheB | i can be chairman | 23:01 |
| juiceme | all of us do :) | 23:01 |
| HtheB | but i'll end up with wheelchairman | 23:01 |
| reinob | then I vote for HtheB | 23:01 |
| juiceme | excellent! | 23:01 |
| HtheB | in other words: i might be cripple with it | 23:02 |
| juiceme | wheelchairman will do nicely | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | great, thanks! | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen | htheb, thumbs up | 23:02 |
| juiceme | ya, we are unanimous then! | 23:02 |
| reinob | great! | 23:02 |
| HtheB | what does a chair man do anyway? | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | posting meeting minutes in the first place | 23:03 |
| peterleinchen | everything ;) | 23:03 |
| reinob | you carry a chair with you. better than a stake holder! :) | 23:03 |
| juiceme | announces official thingise | 23:03 |
| peterleinchen | summing up meeting and posting to MO and ML | 23:04 |
| juiceme | which reminds me, council members need write access to TMO council blog | 23:04 |
| juiceme | and need to set up the "council" maili alias | 23:04 |
| Win7Mac | and email alias needs update | 23:04 |
| juiceme | and need cloaks | 23:04 |
| reinob | cloaks? like for IRC? | 23:04 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:04 |
| reinob | I still don't know what that is or why people need it | 23:05 |
| peterleinchen | just to hide your IP | 23:05 |
| reinob | ah OK | 23:05 |
| juiceme | IRC cloak to show up the status, also that enables yo to get to maemo administrative channel | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | yes, would be nice | 23:05 |
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| peterleinchen | gerbick ? | 23:06 |
| HtheB | hey i cant announce things, or i donno.. | 23:06 |
| Guest10 | yep | 23:06 |
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| juiceme | Guest10/gerbick, hi! | 23:07 |
| reinob | OK. If I need to setup something on my side (irssi) let me know. I'm IRC-virgin. Used it early 90s, found it useless :) and then back now | 23:07 |
| gerbick | sup juiceme and peterleinchen | 23:07 |
| gerbick | I actually left the office early for this | 23:07 |
| juiceme | setting up new council :) | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen | reinob will be done for you | 23:07 |
| juiceme | nice, thanks :) | 23:07 |
| gerbick | If anything, I wanted to say congrats to the new council. | 23:07 |
| reinob | thanks! | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen | gerbick, thx | 23:07 |
| gerbick | Glad to see juiceme HtheB reinob Win7Mac - no particular order. | 23:08 |
| juiceme | gerbick, we managed to start off earlier than planned, HtheB & reinob had UTC wrong :) | 23:08 |
| Win7Mac | gerbick, thx | 23:08 |
| gerbick | well damn. How much have I missed!? | 23:08 |
| peterleinchen | but only thing we agreed was to meet on 21 CET | 23:08 |
| juiceme | see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/ | 23:08 |
| reinob | you missed the discussion on UTC/CET/DST :) | 23:08 |
| reinob | and new chairman is HtheB | 23:08 |
| juiceme | and HtheB as the new chair | 23:09 |
| HtheB | hey hey | 23:09 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:09 |
| HtheB | i didn't accept it :( | 23:09 |
| gerbick | Win7Mac and juiceme and peterleinchen are the real heroes. The MOMENT I joined the council, my work schedule, traveling schedule and workload all ramped up to new levels. | 23:09 |
| juiceme | really? having second thoughts already? :) | 23:09 |
| HtheB | i dont even know exactly what i have to do then | 23:09 |
| gerbick | oh, and definitely Oksana - awesome shoes to fill HtheB | 23:09 |
| HtheB | someone has to be a notulist then | 23:09 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | notulist? | 23:10 |
| HtheB | normally, on a real life meeting, someone writes down everything | 23:10 |
| gerbick | notulist, that's Afrikaans? No... | 23:11 |
| gerbick | Dutch, no? | 23:11 |
| gerbick | minutes secretary | 23:11 |
| juiceme | ah, yes, secretary. That is job for chairman | 23:11 |
| HtheB | dutch | 23:11 |
| Win7Mac | no, you have a few days or so to post | 23:11 |
| HtheB | juiceme, i did that in the past, and i suck at it hahah | 23:11 |
| juiceme | it is the price needed to pay for the position and salary :) | 23:11 |
| HtheB | i can try | 23:11 |
| HtheB | salary? | 23:12 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen can provide a good template i guess | 23:12 |
| juiceme | well, you can look up the minutes I have been writing, not very much a task. Pretty simmple things | 23:12 |
| HtheB | thatd be nice | 23:12 |
| juiceme | HtheB, nobody told you? we are paid 1000 euros/week :) | 23:12 |
| gerbick | wait, if I knew that, I would have avoided work! | 23:13 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen | gerbick, too late | 23:13 |
| gerbick | dang. | 23:13 |
| HtheB | 1000? | 23:13 |
| HtheB | isn't that a bit too low? :P | 23:13 |
| HtheB | haha | 23:13 |
| Win7Mac | haha, you're cheap, I'm gettin 1500... | 23:13 |
| Win7Mac | from "above" | 23:14 |
| juiceme | yes, inflation index needs to be taken in | 23:14 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:14 |
| juiceme | but again, back to topics... what else need we consider? | 23:15 |
| peterleinchen | htheb, you know a bit HTML? | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | Do we have a yes for chair from HtheB? | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen | win7mac, anything to do after referendum? | 23:16 |
| HtheB | i just use dreamweaver | 23:16 |
| juiceme | I counted "yes" from all of us, so it is just for HtheB to accept | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen, yes, we need a GA to change bylaws accordingly | 23:16 |
| juiceme | HtheB, for minutes no need to use anything so complex | 23:16 |
| HtheB | I will try it, it's my frst time so please bear with nme if anything goes wrong | 23:17 |
| juiceme | to write the blog in Maemo.org some simple formatting is used | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | anybody here voted no in referendum? | 23:17 |
| peterleinchen | just standard html and template is ready | 23:17 |
| juiceme | yes, that'll be no problem. | 23:17 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, I think that's confidental, but I'm fairly sure all voted "yes" since that got a landslide winning | 23:18 |
| peterleinchen | first thing you need to get access to MO | 23:18 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, yes | 23:19 |
| peterleinchen | I guess he just wnats to know reasons | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | confidential yes, but if there are concerns, they should be heard | 23:19 |
| HtheB | juiceme, i will work over (2 more hours) | 23:20 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: good luck finding the 9 people! | 23:20 |
| reinob | it's confidential but I don't think anyone here (in the "community" as a whole) would have a problem explaining why this or that option is better | 23:20 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, hehe... But I'm really interested! | 23:20 |
| reinob | can we ask NSA? :) | 23:20 |
| peterleinchen | yes, we can ... | 23:21 |
| reinob | :) | 23:21 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: pick one of those argumentative complaints about MCeV not being in charge... | 23:21 |
| chem|st | or HiFo being a cash-cow only | 23:21 |
| chem|st | "we do not need anything but council" | 23:21 |
| juiceme | yes, there are always differing opinions. | 23:22 |
| juiceme | but we go with majority rule here. | 23:22 |
| HtheB | guys, sorry for replying late... | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | I mean... Woody voted no. i consider this a misunderstanding, but i'm not sure | 23:22 |
| HtheB | i'm using a forklift, replying is a bit hard . | 23:23 |
| chem|st | but that is now history... would you guys mind to take care of all adaptions this term, frontpage announcement about MCeV including the merger of council into MCeV forever | 23:23 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac he actually voted empty. | 23:23 |
| chem|st | terms&TM&legal pages and so on | 23:23 |
| reinob | you're using a forklift at 22:00 (CET!). WTF are you doing? | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | lol | 23:24 |
| juiceme | chem|st, that can be done now, yes | 23:24 |
| chem|st | reinob: that is about the time my shift at a carrier started | 23:24 |
| juiceme | nightshifts actually are really usual in logistics business | 23:24 |
| juiceme | all the stuff needs to be moved around the caounty, to be ready on the morning in shops | 23:25 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, how do you know what wwody voted? | 23:25 |
| reinob | OK I just find it weird that he's using IRC while using a forklift. The time is actually secondary. | 23:25 |
| juiceme | he said he voted empty | 23:25 |
| peterleinchen | I read he voted 'no' ? | 23:26 |
| HtheB | reinob: i work as a part timer at a warehouse (normally only on sundays) but sometimes they need extra men | 23:26 |
| HtheB | so im working extra now | 23:26 |
| reinob | cool. OK. | 23:26 |
| HtheB | other than that, im jobless :( | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | he said "I was one such vote." - i asked for nos + absentions | 23:26 |
| juiceme | ah, ok, maybe I got it wrong. | 23:27 |
| reinob | HtheB: OK. Not cool. Sorry about that. | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen | mee too, then | 23:27 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: also, some people would like to see a real separation of who is running the show and detached community | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | i know, but not why | 23:28 |
| reinob | Re. separation: generally a good thing. We're just so small it makes things unduly burdensome. | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | right | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | the whole MC eV thing is to join forces | 23:29 |
| juiceme | hey, one ting you all new councillors need to do: | 23:29 |
| reinob | before it was Community Council and Nokia. Now the same people are on both parties. | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | exactly! | 23:30 |
| juiceme | send mail to techstaff@maemo.org, and send your email you want to get into council maili alias. Also request for Council access for TMO and Maemo.org | 23:30 |
| juiceme | ^^^all got that? | 23:31 |
| juiceme | HtheB | 23:31 |
| juiceme | reinob | 23:31 |
| juiceme | HtheB> other than that, im jobless :( | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, thanks | 23:31 |
| reinob | and we are not that many! I think pichlo mentioned that he estimates about 50 active tmo members. Do we have or can we have some data on this. I'm really curious about it. | 23:31 |
| reinob | juiceme: yes, will send e-mail now | 23:31 |
| juiceme | 90 people voted for council | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | and 108 in referendum! | 23:32 |
| juiceme | and 118 for referendum | 23:32 |
| juiceme | so about 100 active, I'd say | 23:32 |
| Win7Mac | err, 118 | 23:32 |
| chem|st | and sign up for MCeV membership if you havent done already^^ *looking at HtheB* ;) | 23:32 |
| reinob | :) | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen | chem|st, right. that would now be obligatory? | 23:33 |
| chem|st | that is 20 more people voting in council election than the last 2-3 times?! | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen, no | 23:33 |
| juiceme | think about it, there were 5522 ballots sent, and only 90/118 used... :( | 23:33 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: desired | 23:33 |
| reinob | interesting legal question. first day of work after long holiday break. now answering now. | 23:33 |
| peterleinchen | allright! | 23:33 |
| reinob | (not answering now, I meant) | 23:33 |
| juiceme | chem|st, yes, positive trend | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, but still... | 23:34 |
| juiceme | reinob, you working late? | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | so low numbers | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | in election + eV | 23:35 |
| reinob | juiceme: now I actually worked only 4 hours (do 50% on monday and tuesday and 100% wed-fri). This way I can pickup the kids from kindergarten/school and do things with them.. | 23:35 |
| juiceme | there are people who are vocal on TMO but for a reason or other have not registered a Maemo/Garage account, and hence are not eligible to vote... | 23:35 |
| reinob | juiceme: I meant "no, I actually..". I hate this laptop | 23:35 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:36 |
| juiceme | do the same mysself now and then, have few hours at work on the morning, then take rest of the day off and work later in the evening from home | 23:37 |
| chem|st | juiceme: tmo has a rather steady flow of new accounts since Jolla hit the market | 23:37 |
| reinob | TMO is what I originally meant. I guess it's easy enough to get stats on how many members are "active" (e.g. at least one post in the last 12 months or such). | 23:37 |
| juiceme | I think that statistic could be gotten from midgard | 23:38 |
| juiceme | if so desired | 23:38 |
| chem|st | reinob: that is users, garage is mostly developers | 23:38 |
| reinob | juiceme: same but I don't work in the evening. I just earn less (80%) :) | 23:38 |
| HtheB | mcev? | 23:38 |
| chem|st | HtheB: you are out | 23:38 |
| juiceme | HtheB Maemo Community e.V. | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | :) | 23:39 |
| juiceme | what chem|st means, if you want to partake in the community at fullest, it is desirable to be member of MCeV | 23:39 |
| juiceme | HtheB ^^ | 23:40 |
| chem|st | ;) | 23:40 |
| HtheB | what differs? any benefits? | 23:40 |
| juiceme | You get to vote for boad of directors | 23:40 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:41 |
| Win7Mac | you have a vote in "real" decisions like adopting the referendum in MC eV bylaws | 23:41 |
| gerbick | wait, chem|st is here? | 23:41 |
| Win7Mac | or board elections | 23:41 |
| chem|st | HtheB: council is the voted voice of the detached&active community, MCeV is the body with the decission making and legal responsibility | 23:41 |
| juiceme | it is the official community membership, differnce in really acting for something except just for offering suggestions | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | right | 23:42 |
| chem|st | gerbick: yep | 23:42 |
| juiceme | gerbick, welcome back :) | 23:42 |
| chem|st | gerbick: what do you need me for | 23:42 |
| gerbick | Nothing chem|st - just saw the name, your participation was sorta amazed for a moment. | 23:43 |
| HtheB | i see | 23:43 |
| gerbick | Not more than me being here though ;) | 23:43 |
| HtheB | so i can suggest ads on tmo if im a member? | 23:43 |
| HtheB | to gain some income for MO | 23:43 |
| chem|st | gerbick: just don't mix up the channels then :) | 23:43 |
| chem|st | gerbick: I am everywhere | 23:43 |
| gerbick | LOL | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | ads - maybe? | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | htheb, proposing as council | 23:44 |
| juiceme | HtheB, possibly, but we have not seen that necessary yet | 23:44 |
| chem|st | gerbick: actually only secretary of mcev is missing, chairman and treasurer are both here ;) | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | whatever the General Assembly (GA) decides upon | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | but accepting that only as MCeV member | 23:45 |
| HtheB | juiceme, we had to gather donations for Trademark | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, board did that | 23:45 |
| HtheB | if we had maybe some extra income from ads, the donations might be not needed (or lower) | 23:45 |
| chem|st | HtheB: that was MCeV, juiceme is the treasurer | 23:45 |
| reinob | yes but ads? really? :) | 23:45 |
| chem|st | ah ok now I get it... | 23:46 |
| HtheB | reinob, yes... imnot keen of it too, just use adblocker | 23:46 |
| HtheB | but every cent is welcome I guess | 23:46 |
| chem|st | reinob: no ads ever, before that happens I pay for it with BTC | 23:46 |
| reinob | chem|st: that's what I meant. I would pay with EUR! | 23:47 |
| juiceme | HtheB, the donation campaign was a success and we raised enough to have leftovers for next TM refreshings | 23:47 |
| Win7Mac | talking about BTC, how does it go? | 23:47 |
| peterleinchen | who do you think wants to pay for ads on TMO? | 23:47 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: still in need to send in the documents, I am back 2 days now and crowled | 23:47 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, honestly, what f*ckin "next TM refreshings"? | 23:47 |
| chem|st | I am so in a hurry that I leave everything behind at my desk in the morning, what I actually prepared to take with me... | 23:48 |
| Win7Mac | ok then, thx for taking care | 23:48 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: We have more TMs and in 10 years we need to pay EU again | 23:48 |
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| Win7Mac | in 10 years we ask for new donations if we still exist! | 23:49 |
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| chem|st | Win7Mac: I understand that you do not see the point in having other TMs but that is your opinion | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | and no other TMs needed! | 23:49 |
| reinob | maybe this is something council/eV can discuss in the coming days/weeks. Exactly which TMs we really want to go for (e.g. EU-only). | 23:49 |
| gerbick_ | there | 23:49 |
| juiceme | Since the topic came up; about the TM donations. I asked for the 2 top donors responsible for gathering up 1500 euros (reinob and wikiwide) how they would like to have their donation handled, and both were of same mind, that the excess from them should be used to other TM handlings when they expire. | 23:49 |
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| chem|st | reinob: TM renewal is done already, that was due in Aug | 23:50 |
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| gerbick | gonna KILL | 23:50 |
| gerbick | okay... back | 23:50 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac when the time comes, I think we should indeed refresh the other TM's and transfer the name officially to MCeV. | 23:51 |
| chem|st | juiceme: engrave their names in the blades at IPHH! | 23:51 |
| Win7Mac | guys, let's face it, we're throwing money for an incomplete outcome whatsoever, since we can't afford worldwide coverage | 23:52 |
| reinob | chem|st: I meant, further TM renewals | 23:52 |
| juiceme | the EU trademark is now owned by us in name too, but all others are still in name of Nokia | 23:52 |
| Win7Mac | AND there'll be no return (income) from it | 23:52 |
| juiceme | chem|st, excellent idea :) | 23:52 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: come up with ideas for income then! | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | even if Nokia owns them - TM is protected there, that what matters | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | no need to own them | 23:53 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, all is not so expensive, endsormeans calculated the dues for Canadian extension of 10 years and it comes under 300 euros... | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | whatever | 23:54 |
| Win7Mac | we gain nothing | 23:54 |
| Win7Mac | EU is ALL we need | 23:54 |
| reinob | I'd tend to agree with Win7Mac | 23:54 |
| peterleinchen | mee too | 23:55 |
| juiceme | if money is needed elsewhere, we can always handle that by asking for permission to change the use and/or get more donations | 23:55 |
| juiceme | but currently I see no large bills coming up | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac | Even Nokia didn't care to cover China... | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac | why should we NOW? | 23:56 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: calm down | 23:56 |
| juiceme | but as the thing stands, the donors have right of way to guide how the funds are to be used. | 23:56 |
| Win7Mac | ima chillin | 23:56 |
| juiceme | There are some that say "for all maemo realted tasks and dues" | 23:56 |
| juiceme | and some who say "for TM refreshing" | 23:57 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: ;) | 23:57 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:57 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: I do not see the point in others either but it is not solely yours to decide | 23:57 |
| Win7Mac | sure not ;) | 23:57 |
| reinob | I'm going to have to leave now. Unless there's something really important (I'll wait 1 minute) I will close now. | 23:57 |
| chem|st | me to... smell you later | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen | reinob, bye | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen | chem|st, night | 23:58 |
| reinob | cheers all. | 23:58 |
| juiceme | reinob, just remember to mail techstaff | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | thanks the 2 of you ;) goodnite | 23:59 |
| juiceme | same goes for me, going to bed soon | 23:59 |
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