| pmgc | erm...weeelll...sure... I guess I could ..do my civic duty...blahblahblah and all that official type jargon. Sure. For the communtiy and my buds ...whether I get voted in is another matter...and the tyrannical reign of iron-fisted endso begins :D | 00:00 |
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| juiceme | thank you :) | 00:00 |
| npeterleichen | oh yeah | 00:01 |
| juiceme | The main commitment is to be available in IRC meetings. Otherwice, much of discussion goes by mailing list | 00:01 |
| pmgc | Is one of the perks is a button that allows the instantaneous setting of truly irritating people on fire? If there is a button [heard there was] I promise never ever ever ever ever to hit it...well maybe a few times | 00:02 |
| npeterleichen | ;) | 00:02 |
| juiceme | ahhahhaa the magic button, YES :) | 00:03 |
| pmgc | I KNEW THE WAS A BUTTON!!! | 00:03 |
| pmgc | it was rumoured | 00:03 |
| npeterleichen | as juice said main committment is to be on IRC, sum it up, do an announcement here and the, organize a new election, ... | 00:04 |
| npeterleichen | what button? NEED to know!!! | 00:04 |
| pmgc | well if I'm voted in...I duly swear by the clubhouse stuffed badger... that I'll show up [timely] and be as serious as humaly possible | 00:05 |
| juiceme | npeterleichen, what, you have not found it yet? | 00:05 |
| pmgc | new definition to the term flaming | 00:05 |
| juiceme | endso, that's all that is expected :) | 00:05 |
| pmgc | more literal | 00:05 |
| npeterleichen | nope, as well as those N9 arrow/copy/past with swype | 00:05 |
| juiceme | easter eggs, those :) | 00:06 |
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| juiceme | As I have understood that you are a self-employed craftsman, I'd imagine you can find time to IRC now and then. One of the biggest challenges is getting people to agree on when to have meetings | 00:09 |
| juiceme | M4rtinK, hi :) | 00:09 |
| pmgc | I'm fairly flexible in my time compared to most. My hours are my own...unlike many ..I'm not on anybody's company time... thankfully | 00:10 |
| juiceme | that is good to know. Usually as we have meetings scheduled so that it is late night in EU, afternoon in americas and early morning in Australia. | 00:12 |
| juiceme | but the convention can be edited any time, depending on the preferences and composition of the current Council | 00:12 |
| pmgc | For the foreseeable future ....that works alright for me..yet again I do feel I have a bit more margin than many so ...I'm understanding and flexible with times...within reason naturally | 00:14 |
| juiceme | so, has anyone got AOB? | 00:15 |
| juiceme | I'm thinking of making myself a late-night fried-mushroom-and-spring-onion sandwich :) | 00:16 |
| npeterleichen | yum yum | 00:17 |
| Win7Mac | what about TM? - we need to act now | 00:17 |
| pmgc | ooooh ...tasty other business | 00:17 |
| pmgc | it's due then... | 00:17 |
| npeterleichen | win7mac, right | 00:17 |
| npeterleichen | but I guess it is board decision, or? | 00:17 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 00:18 |
| npeterleichen | my take is: renew EU only, will cost more than we have got founded | 00:18 |
| npeterleichen | so who contacts board? | 00:18 |
| pmgc | I agree | 00:19 |
| npeterleichen | juiceme, already on mushrooms??? ;)ä | 00:19 |
| juiceme | well we are still behind in the donations | 00:19 |
| juiceme | but we have some time still, I am confident we can raise the rest we need | 00:19 |
| npeterleichen | but as win7mac said we need to act NOW | 00:20 |
| pmgc | this is good | 00:20 |
| Win7Mac | what if donations stay under 2000? | 00:20 |
| juiceme | well we have other funds, probably can tap into those | 00:20 |
| Win7Mac | exactly 1 month left for full papers being sent in | 00:21 |
| npeterleichen | board needs to take rest money from funds | 00:21 |
| juiceme | but I'd like to see it done thru donations | 00:21 |
| Win7Mac | signature from Nokia included... | 00:21 |
| npeterleichen | win7mac, that I see as most problematic | 00:21 |
| juiceme | did we still need some signature | 00:21 |
| npeterleichen | so we need a rush decision | 00:22 |
| juiceme | in some papers of the TM? | 00:22 |
| pmgc | what about the possibility to crowdfund the rest? There are perhaps many who used to be active members who are unaware of the current sitch who would notice via crowdfunding | 00:22 |
| juiceme | would crowdfunding be more visible than informing on TMO? | 00:23 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, Nokia still needs to be informed about the handover to MC eV | 00:23 |
| juiceme | one other thing we'd need is way to accept bitcoins. | 00:23 |
| pmgc | For those who don't come anymore ..possibly...it may also draw outside tmo donations | 00:23 |
| Win7Mac | +1 for bitcoin | 00:23 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, has there been no reaction from Nokia? | 00:24 |
| pmgc | +1 for bitcoin | 00:24 |
| juiceme | chemist was doing something bitcoiny but there was some problems. | 00:24 |
| Win7Mac | there been no action to Nokia! | 00:24 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac why? | 00:25 |
| Win7Mac | not sure, chem|st drafted something for Jaffa but nothing happened or smth... | 00:25 |
| juiceme | would it help if I went there personally and hunted down somebody from Nokia Legal? | 00:26 |
| juiceme | as I understood the address for them is in Kilo, Espoo | 00:26 |
| Win7Mac | don't think so, the lawyer we were in contact with was ok | 00:27 |
| juiceme | which is where I work now | 00:27 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st could send it if Jaffa is MIA... | 00:27 |
| juiceme | darn. | 00:28 |
| juiceme | where'd he disappear agin, I think the HiFo/McEV transition meeting went well? | 00:28 |
| Win7Mac | good question | 00:29 |
| Win7Mac | and yes, meeting went well | 00:29 |
| pmgc | back shortly | 00:29 |
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| npeterleichen | had that also in mind, every working well, papers on the way .... | 00:29 |
| juiceme | anyway it is *informing* only | 00:31 |
| Win7Mac | yes, nevertheless I suggest you talk to chemist | 00:31 |
| juiceme | will do | 00:33 |
| juiceme | and about the bitcoins too. I think he was going to set up an account wit a broker, said it was too tedious if we need to handle the chains directly. | 00:33 |
| juiceme | ( I don't know too much about bitcoins... ) | 00:34 |
| npeterleichen | juiceme, yes please. | 00:34 |
| npeterleichen | and thanks | 00:34 |
| Win7Mac | yes, thanks | 00:34 |
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| pmgc | back | 00:34 |
| juiceme | welcome back :) | 00:34 |
| npeterleichen | bitcoins? guess I need to inform me better | 00:35 |
| pmgc | just had to get on the shop xchat | 00:35 |
| npeterleichen | could be the future. Or not at all ... | 00:35 |
| pmgc | bitcoin is looking like it "could" be | 00:35 |
| juiceme | well there's more than one cryptocoin system but bitcoin is the established one | 00:36 |
| Win7Mac | i don't bitcoin but community does (some) | 00:36 |
| juiceme | there's been at least 2 people who'd donated if we accepted bitcoins | 00:37 |
| npeterleichen | 2 of them who were verbous | 00:37 |
| npeterleichen | so yes, for community a good thing to have | 00:38 |
| juiceme | yes, could be more | 00:38 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: what are you talking about? Nokia has been notified in the week the email was sent by snailmail too | 00:42 |
| juiceme | chem|st, excellent | 00:43 |
| chem|st | everything has been announced and stuff | 00:44 |
| juiceme | how's the bitcoin thing going on? | 00:44 |
| npeterleichen | chem|st, good. was there any reply? or any needed? | 00:44 |
| chem|st | no reply and non needed | 00:44 |
| Win7Mac | oops, sorry, didn't notice | 00:45 |
| juiceme | no news is good news :) | 00:45 |
| chem|st | juiceme: I did not send in anything so no progress there, I am MIA the last 2 weeks | 00:45 |
| juiceme | okay. | 00:45 |
| npeterleichen | chem|st, so we 'could' continue with TM stuff? or needed to have hifo -->eV transfer officially? | 00:45 |
| juiceme | I'd imagined it would be easy&quick to set up | 00:46 |
| chem|st | it is not important as we have paypal and normal banking, but for the future I'd like to have it anyway | 00:46 |
| juiceme | there's been enquiries about it, people wanting to donate bitcoin. | 00:46 |
| chem|st | npeterleichen: there is a board meeting scheduled where we will count collected funds and decide if we make EU, the lawyers are already informed about that transition | 00:47 |
| juiceme | or al least saying so | 00:47 |
| chem|st | I will have a look the next days | 00:47 |
| juiceme | thx | 00:47 |
| npeterleichen | chem|st, perfect. thanks | 00:47 |
| npeterleichen | to both | 00:47 |
| chem|st | and I have to skip the scheduled meeting on 9th to some day working days the coming week after that, warfare and you can come up with a date I will make sure I can join | 00:48 |
| juiceme | right. | 00:48 |
| juiceme | I can attend most days I guess | 00:48 |
| chem|st | after that we trigger EU TM renewal I guess, so as soon as that is triggered it is on juiceme to get the payment in order, I will see to ahve all papers ready by nokia for it to beforehand and have a quote from the brand attorney we can vote on | 00:50 |
| chem|st | from the looks donations will probably cover most of the EU already | 00:50 |
| juiceme | it's about 1400 eur | 00:51 |
| juiceme | wasn't there also an extra fee for being late and some legal fees? | 00:52 |
| Win7Mac | that's already in the 2.120,- € | 00:53 |
| juiceme | too bad reinob could not handle it due to conflict-of-intrest, being a patent engineer he sure would have all the know-how | 00:54 |
| Win7Mac | and incl. ageny fees | 00:54 |
| juiceme | okay | 00:54 |
| Win7Mac | what? | 00:54 |
| juiceme | so we are missing about 700 eur still | 00:54 |
| Win7Mac | reinob being a patent engineer? | 00:54 |
| juiceme | ya, he mentioned it in passing | 00:55 |
| Win7Mac | any idea where? | 00:55 |
| juiceme | in some EU official I think | 00:56 |
| juiceme | that's why said it is conflict | 00:56 |
| Win7Mac | no. I mean where he mentioned it... just found it, nvm | 00:56 |
| juiceme | ok | 00:57 |
| Win7Mac | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1475272&postcount=24 | 00:57 |
| juiceme | yes' | 00:57 |
| Win7Mac | But what makes you believe he "could not handle it due to conflict-of-intrest"? | 00:58 |
| juiceme | it's in the same thread, later | 00:58 |
| chem|st | most of it as in >60% | 00:59 |
| chem|st | and with a final call for donations we will get some more covered | 00:59 |
| chem|st | if I get BTC up in time we get some there probably too | 00:59 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, that'd be awesome! | 01:00 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: would you mind getting an official quote for us with address and everything from that mdm attorney we had contact with? | 01:01 |
| chem|st | sent to board | 01:01 |
| Win7Mac | I'm about to contact reinob for assistance... | 01:01 |
| Win7Mac | ? | 01:02 |
| chem|st | I'd rather let an attorney do everything who has already signed papers from nokia than to fuck it up last minute | 01:02 |
| npeterleichen | I guess so, too | 01:02 |
| chem|st | but ask reinob for advice | 01:02 |
| juiceme | agreed. even as it will cost us some. | 01:02 |
| Win7Mac | probably the safer way, yes | 01:03 |
| chem|st | ask reinob and get a quote? | 01:03 |
| npeterleichen | not that I think reinob could not help, but he said already | 01:03 |
| chem|st | and the owner change of those not expiring maybe included | 01:03 |
| npeterleichen | he could not do so ... | 01:03 |
| chem|st | npeterleichen: he can give advice internally | 01:04 |
| juiceme | that'd be valuable too | 01:04 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, owner change of those not expiring? | 01:05 |
| Win7Mac | ah, there was 1... | 01:05 |
| chem|st | we have at least 1 not expiring | 01:05 |
| chem|st | I thought it be more lmc | 01:06 |
| Win7Mac | Taiwan until May 1, 2016 | 01:07 |
| Win7Mac | Brazil | 01:07 |
| Win7Mac | : June 10, 2018 | 01:07 |
| chem|st | SG 2018 NO 2018 | 01:08 |
| Win7Mac | Canada | 01:08 |
| Win7Mac | : August 28, 2023 | 01:08 |
| juiceme | oo, that's a long way off | 01:08 |
| chem|st | korea 2018 | 01:08 |
| chem|st | yeah some count filing +10 some registration +10 so we have at least 4 that are not due yet | 01:09 |
| chem|st | and canada has registration +15 | 01:09 |
| chem|st | don't know about the others | 01:10 |
| chem|st | the brand attorney knows | 01:10 |
| Win7Mac | Singapore: July 15, 2019; Japan, Korea, Russia, Switzerland, Norway: 2020 | 01:13 |
| chem|st | we can maybe leave the change of owner until they expire but well | 01:13 |
| chem|st | hmm ok so that WO is also covered for 15years then | 01:14 |
| chem|st | so we are left with EU and US only | 01:14 |
| Win7Mac | I'd suggest to do so, otherwise fees will multiply, I fear | 01:14 |
| Win7Mac | well, add up... | 01:15 |
| Win7Mac | and as long as the brand IS protected... | 01:16 |
| chem|st | doesn't matter, we need to renew EU next month or we loose it and registering again wont happen ever | 01:16 |
| Win7Mac | RIGHT | 01:16 |
| juiceme | +1 | 01:16 |
| chem|st | so, do you get a quote from her or should I do? | 01:16 |
| Win7Mac | I will | 01:17 |
| pmgc | +1 | 01:17 |
| chem|st | ta! | 01:17 |
| juiceme | good | 01:17 |
| chem|st | what does the nominees list look like? | 01:17 |
| npeterleichen | thank you | 01:17 |
| chem|st | to get back to council topics | 01:17 |
| npeterleichen | not much volunteers there | 01:18 |
| npeterleichen | guess we need to shanghai again ... | 01:18 |
| juiceme | nobody's confirmed on the mailing list yet | 01:18 |
| juiceme | but I will be running | 01:19 |
| juiceme | and endsormeans too | 01:19 |
| Win7Mac | YAY! | 01:19 |
| npeterleichen | juicme, good!!!!!!! | 01:19 |
| juiceme | what about you, peter? | 01:19 |
| pmgc | Blueberries!!! | 01:19 |
| npeterleichen | so will I (most probably) | 01:19 |
| juiceme | yes :) | 01:19 |
| Win7Mac | YAYYAY! | 01:20 |
| npeterleichen | tada!!! | 01:20 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 01:20 |
| juiceme | I think we'd need to think up good people and PM them to ask if they are willing to run | 01:21 |
| juiceme | that worked last time :) | 01:22 |
| chem|st | juiceme: did you catch my call about bank statements? that you need to DL the pdfs? | 01:23 |
| juiceme | yes, I noticed that. | 01:24 |
| juiceme | do I need to do it every month? | 01:24 |
| chem|st | yes | 01:24 |
| juiceme | okay | 01:24 |
| chem|st | german law stuff, pretty annoying as some banksters take it literally and send every month but they actually do not need to do that, law says quarterly | 01:25 |
| chem|st | I have only one bank that does that quarterly, all others pretend that monthly is required, incl Deutsche Bank | 01:26 |
| juiceme | well legal+banking usually equals bureocracy... | 01:26 |
| chem|st | they could just setup freaking pgp mailing but no... | 01:26 |
| juiceme | in finland we have an option to receive it as email | 01:27 |
| chem|st | I do not want bank statements emailed unencrypted | 01:27 |
| juiceme | but you need a special email account by the finnish mail company to receive those | 01:27 |
| chem|st | that is just as stupid as SMS tan for online banking | 01:27 |
| juiceme | ^^^^ for that reason | 01:27 |
| juiceme | SMS'es used here too... | 01:28 |
| chem|st | well nvm, just pick them up as I think we will get charged for it if they send paper copies | 01:28 |
| juiceme | isn't it enough that I've been checking the transactions to see the donations? | 01:29 |
| juiceme | or do I have to specially download the monthly balance sheet | 01:30 |
| Win7Mac | download the balance sheet | 01:31 |
| juiceme | okay | 01:31 |
| Win7Mac | looking doesn't count... ;) | 01:31 |
| npeterleichen | on my bank it does (they mark them as read). but downloading is safe | 01:32 |
| juiceme | 'no sir, i never touched the darn thing, i was only looking' | 01:32 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 01:32 |
| Win7Mac | My bank does the same | 01:33 |
| Win7Mac | Inofficial announcement: | 01:35 |
| Win7Mac | Just in case, we won't see enough (6) candidates in 1st attempt and still not enough (4) in 2nd attempt, I'll accept my nomination. | 01:35 |
| juiceme | thanks! | 01:36 |
| Win7Mac | Well, knowing that peter + you are in, I'm tempted ;) | 01:37 |
| juiceme | :) | 01:37 |
| npeterleichen | NICE! | 01:37 |
| juiceme | generally what I really wonder about, we have pretty many vocal people on TMO but why are they so shy when asked to join Council? | 01:40 |
| Win7Mac | let's see what we have there on saturday night | 01:41 |
| juiceme | as they are not hiding when writing comments to communal-intrest topics... | 01:41 |
| Win7Mac | many? | 01:41 |
| juiceme | sure | 01:41 |
| pmgc | perhaps it is a lack of understanding as to duties...but methinks apathy | 01:42 |
| juiceme | at least dozen | 01:42 |
| Win7Mac | right, I just don't call a dozen many... | 01:42 |
| juiceme | ya but what's the difference between writing comments on TMO against coming to IRC to discuss the same things...? | 01:43 |
| Win7Mac | hehe... | 01:43 |
| juiceme | at least dozen, maybe more | 01:43 |
| pmgc | unlike juiceme I think there could be 12 ..theoretically many others :D | 01:44 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 01:45 |
| chem|st | juiceme: responsibility, and do you really want the most vocal tmo'ers to become council? | 01:45 |
| Win7Mac | responsibility + time investment | 01:46 |
| Win7Mac | interest... | 01:46 |
| juiceme | chem|st well, not really, but it does not mean they'd not *want* to | 01:47 |
| chem|st | they are so vital on tmo that time isn't the issue | 01:47 |
| juiceme | :p | 01:47 |
| pmgc | chem|st: does have a point ...vocality doesn't always mean it is a smart choice. | 01:48 |
| chem|st | we have seen that with sudden device give aways | 01:48 |
| juiceme | ? | 01:48 |
| chem|st | juiceme: if you do not know what I am talking about so be it, I will not call names on that topic | 01:49 |
| juiceme | okay. | 01:49 |
| Win7Mac | years ago... | 01:50 |
| pmgc | Pinning people down to a predetermined time to communicate...smacks of obligation...there isn't any "set" obligation in tmo to respond to posts ...it's like inviting your friends to a party and only a couple show ...because they were determined enough. | 01:50 |
| chem|st | that maybe yes | 01:50 |
| juiceme | I think there was some tradition that Council members were given some devices by Nokia but that was before my time so I don't know anything about it... | 01:50 |
| npeterleichen | I remember that, but was not involved then | 01:51 |
| juiceme | endso, probably true. When in IRC you at least have to be there one eye open, message chains can go on for days | 01:52 |
| pmgc | As a potential candidate I now wish to state for the record I am un-swayable...ooh ...pretty shinies? | 01:52 |
| juiceme | an excellent declaration :) | 01:52 |
| pmgc | Perks as incentive I see no problem with...perks with the intent as leverage is another.. | 01:54 |
| pmgc | most creatures on this planet only understand a reward system for good behaviour...humans are no different | 01:55 |
| juiceme | yes, but with humans the rewards can be pretty abstract | 01:56 |
| pmgc | for the intelligent ones yes.. | 01:56 |
| npeterleichen | guys, I am off. need to sleep | 01:57 |
| pmgc | nite | 01:57 |
| npeterleichen | was pretty good meeting, thanks | 01:57 |
| juiceme | bye then, sleep well! | 01:57 |
| npeterleichen | gnite all | 01:57 |
| Win7Mac | gnite ;) | 01:57 |
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| juiceme | funny as it is, I am not that tired yet. just getting a little hungry | 01:58 |
| pmgc | make that samitch | 01:58 |
| Win7Mac | mushies on your mind... | 01:58 |
| juiceme | yes... am now in the last bucket | 01:58 |
| juiceme | just found a surprise mushroom too; my wife had picked a different mushroom in her bag | 01:59 |
| juiceme | it is a delicious one too, but I dont know its name in english | 02:00 |
| pmgc | good eats juiceme...well..if there is nothing else to jaw about [but food...beginning to get hungry thinkin about it]..leave most you o'er-the-ponders to sleep and victuals ...and I back to carving. | 02:01 |
| pmgc | chow in the multiple sense | 02:01 |
| juiceme | yes, good hunting to you too :) | 02:02 |
| juiceme | so, let's close this meeting now unless anybody disagrees...? | 02:02 |
| juiceme | gnite! | 02:03 |
| pmgc | nite | 02:03 |
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