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| RzR | juiceme, will you be there at meeting ? | 21:15 |
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| RzR | klinglerware, hi | 21:47 |
| RzR | klinglerware, you the 1st one | 21:47 |
| RzR | klinglerware, may I assign you to contact the other candidates to join this room ? | 21:47 |
| klinglerware | Sure. Though this is my first time using IRC | 21:48 |
| RzR | klinglerware, I am mailing them all , but in case they have difficulty to join can you please assist them ? | 21:48 |
| RzR | you're doing it well | 21:48 |
| klinglerware | Okay, it wasn't that hard... | 21:48 |
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| HtheB | o/ | 21:52 |
| RzR | hi HtheB | 21:56 |
| HtheB | hi RzR | 21:56 |
| RzR | I mailed 11 candidates | 21:56 |
| RzR | for this surprise party invitation | 21:56 |
| klinglerware | Yes, it just hit my inbox | 21:57 |
| HtheB | \received as well | 21:57 |
| HtheB | but I saw the post on tmo :p | 21:57 |
| HtheB | ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELUNG TO US! | 21:57 |
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| Htheb_ | ugh | 22:00 |
| Htheb_ | connection lost | 22:00 |
| juiceme | hiya all :) | 22:01 |
| juiceme | RzR, sure, I'm here :) | 22:01 |
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| juiceme | Greetings from tmavica, coderus, cybette | 22:02 |
| juiceme | am just back from helsinki where we had a small meetup | 22:03 |
| HtheB | cool :) | 22:03 |
| RzR | back | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> for this surprise party invitation | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> 2min to go | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> you can dress yourself with your favorite costume | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> Tue Dec 30 20:00:16 UTC 2014 | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> The meeting is starting | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> who is there ? | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> I see peterleinchen klinglerware HtheB | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> what about juiceme ? | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> Oksana, is wikiwide isnt she ? | 22:06 |
| RzR | <RzR> chainsawbike, is candidate too , say hi | 22:06 |
| RzR | I was disconnected sorry | 22:06 |
| RzR | juiceme: so before pple introduce themselves , do we have top priority action pending ? | 22:06 |
| RzR | I managed to vote today so I guess the vote system is ok | 22:06 |
| juiceme | So, how is everyone? It's almost new year so this will be a kind of wrapup for the year! | 22:06 |
| klinglerware | Hi, all. | 22:06 |
| klinglerware | It's good to finally try IRC out | 22:07 |
| RzR | klinglerware: beware this is very addictive ;) | 22:07 |
| juiceme | No priority thingies here. I have helped 3 people to get their voting tokens, and there seems to be another I need to look into still :) | 22:07 |
| juiceme | klinglerware, hiya! So, first time with IRC? | 22:08 |
| RzR | juiceme: how many voters so far ? | 22:08 |
| klinglerware | Yep | 22:08 |
| juiceme | just a sec | 22:08 |
| juiceme | 47 people have voted | 22:08 |
| juiceme | so almost a 1% of the electorate! | 22:08 |
| RzR | at least 4 time more than candidates | 22:09 |
| juiceme | RzR, yes, that is good. Imagine if we all neede to vote ourselves :) | 22:09 |
| RzR | task 1 : check the community input | 22:10 |
| HtheB | im on IRC... A LOT...! | 22:10 |
| HtheB | especially on efnet :p | 22:10 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 22:10 |
| RzR | and | 22:11 |
| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93627 | 22:11 |
| RzR | ok nothing new | 22:11 |
| RzR | next task ? juiceme | 22:11 |
| juiceme | hmm, well, maybe introduction of all candidates who are here now? | 22:12 |
| HtheB | Well, we all know eachother right? | 22:13 |
| RzR | task 2 : klinglerware HtheB you can start since you came first | 22:13 |
| klinglerware | Hi everyone, I'm klinglerware | 22:14 |
| RzR | and he is not a lier :) | 22:15 |
| klinglerware | I've been a maemo user for years now, and have followed the goings on in the community | 22:15 |
| juiceme | pleased to meet you :) | 22:15 |
| klinglerware | ha | 22:15 |
| klinglerware | but haven't been too involved in such a public manner | 22:15 |
| klinglerware | thanks, great to meet "live" | 22:15 |
| HtheB | I'm HtheB | 22:15 |
| HtheB | President of Maemo :) | 22:16 |
| HtheB | (hehe) | 22:16 |
| RzR | where are you from ? | 22:16 |
| juiceme | pelased to meet you too :) | 22:16 |
| RzR | I mean on which time zone ? | 22:16 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36236&stc=1&d=1418939258 | 22:17 |
| HtheB | the Netherlands | 22:17 |
| HtheB | CET | 22:17 |
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| juiceme | klinglerware, and you? | 22:18 |
| RzR | there was a guy from asia , and he wanted to apply for this election but he was afraid of the timezones | 22:18 |
| juiceme | xes, hiya | 22:18 |
| HtheB | peter? | 22:18 |
| klinglerware | I'm in Eastern US | 22:18 |
| HtheB | RzR: do you mean peter? | 22:18 |
| juiceme | okay, so itäs early morning there? | 22:18 |
| xes | hi! | 22:18 |
| HtheB | hi | 22:18 |
| HtheB | hi! | 22:18 |
| HtheB | hiiiiiiii! | 22:18 |
| HtheB | sorry =) | 22:19 |
| juiceme | np :) | 22:19 |
| HtheB | im a bit bored | 22:19 |
| HtheB | lets party man | 22:19 |
| * HtheB turns up some great music | 22:19 | |
| RzR | no someone on the nominates thread | 22:19 |
| HtheB | RzR: ah ok | 22:19 |
| juiceme | HtheB, youre just too fast typist! | 22:19 |
| RzR | good to have pple in all continents | 22:19 |
| HtheB | juiceme: why? I just type normal :( | 22:19 |
| RzR | continants | 22:20 |
| juiceme | HtheB, three rows in the time it takes others to type one :p | 22:20 |
| HtheB | hahhaha yeah well, they are just slow typing | 22:20 |
| HtheB | slow typing users :p | 22:20 |
| klinglerware | RzR: agreed. Love that we have a global community of users | 22:20 |
| HtheB | I just type whatever comes in my mind :D | 22:20 |
| RzR | btw so you know other candidates ? | 22:20 |
| HtheB | me? sure | 22:20 |
| HtheB | I know almost everybody | 22:20 |
| RzR | like Oksana or chainsawbike ? | 22:20 |
| HtheB | oh | 22:20 |
| HtheB | those 2, no | 22:21 |
| RzR | I mean can we catch them online | 22:21 |
| HtheB | I still don't understand why I'm not in the nominated list | 22:21 |
| RzR | and bring them back here | 22:21 |
| RzR | HtheB, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014#Confirmed_Candidates_: | 22:21 |
| RzR | HtheB, I see you | 22:21 |
| HtheB | RzR: i meant the tmo thread | 22:21 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014/Candidate_declarations#HtheB | 22:21 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94230 | 22:21 |
| RzR | usure cats are allowed to rule maemo | 22:22 |
| HtheB | RzR: yes | 22:22 |
| HtheB | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Aybabtu.png | 22:23 |
| RzR | HtheB, this was just some nominates from Win7mac | 22:23 |
| HtheB | hmm | 22:23 |
| RzR | last link says it all | 22:23 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014 | 22:23 |
| HtheB | i thought it were all the candidates :p heh | 22:24 |
| HtheB | so there are 11 candidates right? | 22:24 |
| HtheB | it's a battle to the end! | 22:24 |
| RzR | well if it's unclear to you , you can suggest win7mac to edit his post to show the actual list | 22:24 |
| HtheB | meh its ok | 22:24 |
| RzR | there is no end in maemo | 22:24 |
| RzR | so let's me update this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 22:25 |
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| juiceme | There is one thing I am unsure of, though. @pichlo announced that he would want to step down from candidacy, but he's in the election roster... | 22:25 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, hi check history | 22:25 |
| RzR | juiceme, yea he is | 22:25 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, hiya! | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | hi all | 22:26 |
| RzR | juiceme, he should countact council did he / | 22:26 |
| RzR | ? | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | nice to see some new faces ;) | 22:26 |
| HtheB | hi Win7Mac , good people shows up when they talk about them :) | 22:26 |
| juiceme | RzR, no he did only say it in a TMO thread. So I guess it cannot be said to be official. | 22:27 |
| HtheB | guys | 22:28 |
| HtheB | when will the results be revealed? | 22:28 |
| RzR | juiceme, list is what matters | 22:28 |
| RzR | juiceme, maybe we should gently ask him to edit his wiki page | 22:28 |
| juiceme | yes, methinks that too. | 22:28 |
| HtheB | and can we already see a sneak peak of the results so far? :p | 22:28 |
| RzR | HtheB, you can see this , but then we will have to kill you | 22:29 |
| juiceme | HtheB, not possible, only one data item is available, and that is how many votes have been cast. | 22:29 |
| HtheB | boo | 22:29 |
| juiceme | RzR, yes okay, you can put it that way too :) | 22:29 |
| HtheB | im just curious | 22:29 |
| juiceme | HtheB, remember that curiozity killed da cat :) | 22:30 |
| Win7Mac | wait, if pichlo withdraw his candidacy (which he did), he must not be on the list. That's a major flaw | 22:30 |
| HtheB | oh noz! | 22:30 |
| RzR | HtheB : wanted DEAD AND ALIVE | 22:30 |
| HtheB | :D :D :D | 22:30 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, yes but he did it when the ball was already rolling. and he did not do it on the mailing list | 22:30 |
| Win7Mac | at least he did withdraw on tmo... but he repeated it there | 22:30 |
| Win7Mac | ok, did you check back with him? | 22:31 |
| juiceme | I asked on TMO that he reconsider | 22:31 |
| Win7Mac | i mean did he withdraw his withdrawl? | 22:31 |
| HtheB | withdrawing a withdrawl.... | 22:33 |
| juiceme | not that I know of, no :( | 22:33 |
| HtheB | soon: withdrawing a withdrwal of a withdrawl | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | hehe... | 22:34 |
| HtheB | so, can everybody tell why they pick their nicknames? | 22:34 |
| HtheB | I assume Win7Mac just loved OS's? | 22:34 |
| juiceme | HtheB, lovely question! | 22:35 |
| * RzR was editing http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 22:35 | |
| Win7Mac | don't like my username anymore... | 22:35 |
| HtheB | outdated nickname? :p | 22:35 |
| HtheB | Win8Mac | 22:35 |
| HtheB | soon: Win10Mac ? | 22:36 |
| HtheB | :D | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | I have a hackintosh though | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:36 |
| HtheB | ah hackint0sh | 22:36 |
| HtheB | always had driver issues with it | 22:36 |
| RzR | I had a vmware one once | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, need to pick the right parts | 22:36 |
| RzR | but we dont care isnt it ? | 22:36 |
| HtheB | RzR: OBJECTION! | 22:36 |
| HtheB | I care! | 22:36 |
| RzR | btw any news on nokia support ? I fear nokia maps online is not working anymore on harmattan | 22:37 |
| HtheB | RzR: I used it yesterday | 22:37 |
| HtheB | no problems here | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | haven't tried lately | 22:37 |
| HtheB | juiceme: lovely question, no one answers | 22:38 |
| RzR | I see some interesting action item for future | 22:38 |
| juiceme | as for myself, it is fairly easy; I have been always called "juice", and when I started tweaking away with Meego, I wanted to have that username too... but it was taken so I took juice+meego = juiceme :) | 22:38 |
| klinglerware | It still works for me on harmattan and symbian, but maps are long outdated | 22:38 |
| RzR | is about contacting opera about hosting ovi store for n9 :) | 22:38 |
| HtheB | juiceme, if you didn't tell me, I would think something else :p | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | but let's stay somewhat focussed, we need to ping pichlo ASAP | 22:39 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, I mailed him just before the meeting , HtheB and klinglerware can confirm isnt it ? | 22:39 |
| Win7Mac | he needs to confirm he is still in, otherwise, I'm afraid, the election will be void :( | 22:39 |
| HtheB | yes | 22:39 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, void ? | 22:39 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, he will probably dont get many votes | 22:40 |
| HtheB | I dont think I will get any votes though :p | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | yes. read on STV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote | 22:40 |
| RzR | in that case the next one could get his seat ? | 22:40 |
| klinglerware | If that is not possible, and the election is not void, then Pichlo would resign and the council would be at 4 members? | 22:41 |
| juiceme | HtheB, Think else like what? | 22:42 |
| HtheB | juice on me?.... | 22:42 |
| HtheB | :p | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | your votes have an order, they're weighted if you will. If there's an invalid choice in there, the result might be quite off... | 22:42 |
| RzR | technically speaking I have no idea on how system will behave | 22:42 |
| xes | "...Your vote will be counted for your first choice candidate as long as he is still in the race, and when he is eliminated, your vote will transfer to the next preference candidate still in the race..." | 22:42 |
| RzR | but if he clearly state to dont vote for him , 5 "better" candidates will be elected | 22:43 |
| Win7Mac | xes, thanks! | 22:43 |
| juiceme | That is correct, it might affect the order of votes. | 22:43 |
| xes | Win7Mac: ;) | 22:44 |
| HtheB | I can has votes guys? | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | Only chance this election may be valid is if pichlo confirms he is still in, I'd say | 22:44 |
| RzR | HtheB, depends on how much you're ready to pay ;) | 22:44 |
| HtheB | RzR: you want a kidne? | 22:45 |
| HtheB | :p | 22:45 |
| juiceme | I wonder, if it is possible (and if @pichlo still wants to step away) to remove his votes from the database and "step up" the votes below his vote for everyone who voted for him. | 22:45 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, ok then since he did not stepped down to list he is in | 22:45 |
| HtheB | kidney* | 22:45 |
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| juiceme | that way there would not be effect | 22:45 |
| ZogG | sup | 22:45 |
| ZogG | sup sup | 22:45 |
| ZogG | :) | 22:45 |
| HtheB | ZogG! | 22:45 |
| HtheB | wazzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 22:45 |
| ZogG | did i miss it? | 22:45 |
| HtheB | yup | 22:45 |
| HtheB | you've missed EVERYTHING | 22:45 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, so just ask him to announce his plan on wiki page and hope voters will pick someone else | 22:45 |
| ZogG | HtheB, i put you in top5 in my votes, i hope you do the best | 22:45 |
| HtheB | the world is going away soon | 22:45 |
| juiceme | ZogG, hiya! | 22:45 |
| RzR | ZogG, priviet | 22:45 |
| HtheB | Thanks ZogG ! | 22:46 |
| ZogG | RzR, sup man, long time no talk | 22:46 |
| ZogG | juiceme, howdy | 22:46 |
| ZogG | HtheB, meh, we are behind millenium bug :P | 22:46 |
| HtheB | heh :D | 22:46 |
| RzR | ZogG, about to leave my seat , and waiting for offers of candidates ;) | 22:46 |
| ZogG | what i miss is Doc | 22:46 |
| ZogG | pitty things did not get along | 22:46 |
| RzR | he is not that far | 22:46 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, so are you ok with this plan | 22:47 |
| ZogG | RzR, are you going to push some tizen vibe to maemo? because you should | 22:47 |
| RzR | editing wiki should be enought isnt it ? | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | what if voted for pichlo only? | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | if *I | 22:47 |
| ZogG | wait, is meeting still on? so i would not spam till it's finished | 22:48 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: vote will be gone into ashes :P ? | 22:48 |
| HtheB | ZogG: what meeting? :p | 22:48 |
| RzR | ZogG, well this is something we can talk about later because this meeting is more council oriented | 22:48 |
| ZogG | Win7Mac, we'll get BSoD | 22:48 |
| RzR | <Win7Mac> what if voted for pichlo only? | 22:48 |
| RzR | let's hope it wont hapend | 22:48 |
| ZogG | so meeting is still on, i'm going quite mode | 22:48 |
| HtheB | ZogG: no | 22:48 |
| * juiceme thinks that meeting is still on, but a bit chaotic ATM :) | 22:48 | |
| Win7Mac | and that's not ok. If I knew before (which is mandatory AFAIK), I would have voted otherwise | 22:49 |
| HtheB | juiceme: i think a chaotic meeting is what it should be | 22:49 |
| HtheB | it is atleast more active :) | 22:49 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, you can still revise your vote | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, sure? | 22:49 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, in that case, when voting for one member only and that being removed, would mean you voted "empty" | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme? | 22:50 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, blank vote | 22:50 |
| ZogG | *quite mode of* i can see how HtheB can bring rebelion spirit of youth to council *quite mode back on* | 22:50 |
| juiceme | and AFAIK voting "empty" is also OK | 22:50 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, and that shouldn't be ok | 22:50 |
| HtheB | how old is everybody anyways? | 22:50 |
| Win7Mac | not if my vote gets removed | 22:50 |
| juiceme | it's possible in national elections too | 22:50 |
| ZogG | wait, what's the problem for voting for pichlo, as i put him somewhere in my choices too | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, please don't spam | 22:51 |
| HtheB | ZogG: he withdrawed afaik | 22:51 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: no im not spamming? | 22:51 |
| RzR | HtheB, please let's focus on this election thing | 22:51 |
| RzR | HtheB, this is council main duty | 22:52 |
| HtheB | RzR: it was about the election, just wanted to know how old everybody is | 22:52 |
| juiceme | ZogG, well he did *kind* of step down, but not officially | 22:52 |
| HtheB | like ZogG said: i can see how HtheB can bring rebelion spirit of youth to council | 22:52 |
| juiceme | +1 | 22:52 |
| RzR | juiceme, anyway we wont remove him for the list now ? | 22:52 |
| RzR | since you said 45 voted already | 22:52 |
| Win7Mac | that'd be too late | 22:53 |
| RzR | unless we manage to contact them | 22:53 |
| juiceme | yes, that cannot be done without breaking the ongoing election | 22:53 |
| RzR | but it will be chaotic | 22:53 |
| Win7Mac | xes, help, say something | 22:53 |
| RzR | juiceme, so I guess we will let the vote happen as setup | 22:53 |
| HtheB | I think that the very next user with the most votes will take the next place | 22:53 |
| HtheB | like for example: | 22:54 |
| RzR | and I think making some pressure on him to announce his plans on the declaration page should be enough | 22:54 |
| juiceme | ya, and fix it later; if @pichlo gets elected, it is his decision if he wants to step down | 22:54 |
| HtheB | - user 1: 100 votes - user 2: 60 votes - user 3: 50 votes - user 4: 40 votes - user 5: 30 votes - user 6: 29 votes | 22:54 |
| RzR | HtheB, yea this is making sense | 22:55 |
| HtheB | user 3 withdraws, so user 4 takes place of user 3 | 22:55 |
| HtheB | and user 5 takes 4, and so on | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | it's not simple, please read the fine lines betwenn the numbers in each round in last election: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=37 | 22:55 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, is the problem technical or ethical ? | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | ehh, both i guess | 22:56 |
| juiceme | both, I'd say. There is no precedence on how to do it | 22:56 |
| ZogG | and to restart elections is more pain in the ass? | 22:56 |
| klinglerware | It might be best to let the election commence, as is. As Pichlo did not formally withdraw in time | 22:56 |
| juiceme | but when there is no precedence, the current council decides how to handle it | 22:56 |
| HtheB | like I said, i think my solution is the best there is | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, that may save your ass, yes ;) | 22:57 |
| RzR | juiceme, so I see we let the system decide | 22:57 |
| juiceme | HtheB, well, there are exactly 3 people who decide; the current council | 22:57 |
| ZogG | may i suggest to make few possible solutions and current council or current council and candidates here to vote which one to go? | 22:57 |
| RzR | and if he is part of the top 5 we will have to find a suitable solution | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | but I'd really consider to have a new election next week | 22:57 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: no..... | 22:57 |
| HtheB | you want us dead? | 22:58 |
| juiceme | ZogG, yes, members are always welcome to offer advice ot council! | 22:58 |
| RzR | juiceme, best would be to wait the problem to arrive | 22:58 |
| juiceme | RzR, agree | 22:58 |
| RzR | <Win7Mac> but I'd really consider to have a new election next week | 22:58 |
| RzR | ? | 22:58 |
| RzR | this is not serious | 22:58 |
| RzR | we will loose many voters | 22:58 |
| HtheB | who knows in the end he wouldn't be in the council at all | 22:59 |
| juiceme | we want to avoid new elections at all costs, as it will devalue the system | 22:59 |
| RzR | this would be unfair to community IMHO | 22:59 |
| klinglerware | I agree with RzR. It's only issue if Pichlo is elected | 22:59 |
| klinglerware | *only an issue | 22:59 |
| HtheB | yeah | 22:59 |
| RzR | I dont think it's time to talk about a problem that may not happen | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | ok then, at least you considered it... ;) | 22:59 |
| RzR | but among the options I see | 22:59 |
| RzR | 1/ he is part of the 5 councilors | 23:00 |
| ZogG | i would suggest to make a new vote for one person only instead in case he is elected | 23:00 |
| RzR | 2/ he is not and there are only 4 councilors | 23:00 |
| RzR | 3/ he is replaced by an other one ... | 23:00 |
| RzR | selected by community , current and future council or whatever | 23:01 |
| HtheB | option 3: replaced by the next person | 23:01 |
| juiceme | all reasonable choices | 23:01 |
| RzR | HtheB, that's 3/ yes | 23:01 |
| klinglerware | yes, all are reasonable solutions | 23:01 |
| RzR | so that's could be a problem to solve once the elections are over | 23:01 |
| HtheB | anyway, we can all talk about this, i say: lets just wait for the results :) | 23:01 |
| ZogG | i would suggest to make a post about it on TMO | 23:01 |
| HtheB | ZogG: a poll | 23:02 |
| ZogG | as if you don't doesn't matter what choise and how right it is some peopel will be angry | 23:02 |
| HtheB | but seriously, isn't it a bit logical to pick the 3th option of RzR ? | 23:02 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, and if he's not in top 5 , then the vote system will decide by its own unless someone file a critical bug and patch :) | 23:02 |
| ZogG | HtheB, you can't make poll, as there is karma and votes for a reason | 23:02 |
| juiceme | HtheB, nope, I don't think this is stuff for polling. community may suggest things but in the end the *current* council will decide. | 23:03 |
| HtheB | then i will stfu | 23:03 |
| ZogG | juiceme, +1 | 23:03 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:03 |
| RzR | let me contact him and ask him to clearly state his plans | 23:03 |
| juiceme | RzR, thx | 23:03 |
| RzR | maybe we can edit wiki and mentions about his unreliability | 23:04 |
| ZogG | HtheB, everyone will like new ideas and spirit, but some traditions make maemo the maemo and keeps it alive | 23:04 |
| RzR | let me do that | 23:04 |
| RzR | because it's unclear we should mention that | 23:04 |
| RzR | and ask him to clarify | 23:04 |
| HtheB | ZogG: sometimes you need to keep on going forward to stay alive ;) | 23:04 |
| klinglerware | I would not use the term "unreliability", it may sound too negative | 23:04 |
| RzR | juiceme, since you're 50% of council , can I edit wiki ? | 23:04 |
| ZogG | wiki is not the best source, i think it should be on TMO and if there is chanse to send emails/add to emails/vote page info not to vote him | 23:04 |
| RzR | klinglerware, i will not | 23:05 |
| HtheB | to be honest: who reads the wiki? | 23:05 |
| juiceme | RzR, please do, but I'd like you to talk with @pichlo first | 23:05 |
| ZogG | s/chanse/chance/ | 23:05 |
| ZogG | Doc took the bot away? :( | 23:06 |
| juiceme | ZogG, I think it never was active on #maemo-meeting | 23:07 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014/Candidate_declarations#pichlo | 23:07 |
| RzR | I am contacting him again | 23:07 |
| juiceme | BTW, a situation update; while we have been having this meeting, tere has been another vote cast. The total now stands at 48 | 23:08 |
| juiceme | so steady come in da votes :) | 23:08 |
| ZogG | that's the reason i never even tried to run (pretty sure no one would vote is the second reason) even when i was asked to consider once, as it's not a game but responsibility :( | 23:09 |
| juiceme | ZogG, that sounds like a complicated reason :) | 23:09 |
| ZogG | i mean why someone would want to be in council if they can't take this resposibility | 23:11 |
| ZogG | but again it's me | 23:11 |
| ZogG | as i always say "i'm responsible enuf to say that i'm not responsible" :P | 23:11 |
| juiceme | yes, it is a responsibility but so is almost anything in this world that is worth doing. | 23:11 |
| ZogG | anyway is there chance to add info as well to vote page? | 23:11 |
| ZogG | juiceme, responsibility is first to understnd if you can do it | 23:12 |
| juiceme | ZogG, in theory, yes. In practice, I probably would not recomment it | 23:12 |
| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1454458&posted=1#post1454458 | 23:13 |
| HtheB | pichlo is active on tmo right now | 23:17 |
| RzR | ok great | 23:18 |
| RzR | it would help to bring him here | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, thanks, but you shoud refer to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1453699&postcount=147 | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | and in that thread... | 23:19 |
| RzR | done | 23:20 |
| RzR | I pm'ed him too | 23:21 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, thx for pointing this problem | 23:22 |
| klinglerware | Okay all, I have to get to my next obligation so I will sign off for now. Great to meet all of you and best of luck to all the other candidates... | 23:22 |
| RzR | thx klinglerware | 23:22 |
| RzR | basically hope this 1st IRC session was not too confused for you | 23:22 |
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| juiceme | klinglerware, gnite | 23:22 |
| RzR | juiceme, the vote can not be changed isnt ? | 23:24 |
| RzR | http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php | 23:24 |
| RzR | I mean token are one time usage arent they ? | 23:24 |
| xes | "..The e-mail address and token you gave do not match an existing voter, or you have already voted." | 23:25 |
| RzR | yea | 23:26 |
| RzR | not a big deal | 23:26 |
| RzR | juiceme, anything else to check ? | 23:27 |
| juiceme | RzR, yes, tokens are single use | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, mind posting it here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94229&page=3 and here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94230&page=17 (his post) as well? | 23:27 |
| juiceme | only thing waht could be done is to make it void and start again | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, that'd be the only real cure, anything else will be somewhat flawd | 23:28 |
| juiceme | yes, in a way it is true, but let's not hurry yet mo make any drastic things. | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | i wouldn't complain later if you didn't though ;) | 23:30 |
| juiceme | there will probably be an acceptable solution to this, as I have found out that usually all problems will be solvable in time | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:31 |
| chainsawbike | i would deal with it after the fact - if he gets elected then he just says he "steps down" | 23:31 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, going to bring him here | 23:31 |
| RzR | https://webchat.freenode.net/ | 23:31 |
| RzR | he replied me on tmo | 23:32 |
| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1454459&postcount=233 | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | thanks | 23:34 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014/Candidate_declarations#pichlo_.28stepped_down.29 | 23:35 |
| juiceme | thanks | 23:37 |
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| juiceme | I hope that will affect things | 23:37 |
| RzR | yea it would be very unlikely to have him in top 5 | 23:38 |
| juiceme | chainsawbike, your suggestion is viable. In that case we will have a council of 4, and it will have to be enough. | 23:38 |
| RzR | if it happen then there is a bigger problem with our community | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | yes, but please also post in the main threads here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94229&page=3 and here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94230&page=17 (his post) | 23:38 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, please post too and link to (edited) wiki page | 23:39 |
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| RzR | hi pichlo | 23:39 |
| juiceme | pichlo, hiya! | 23:39 |
| RzR | there you are | 23:39 |
| pichlo | hello | 23:39 |
| RzR | thank you | 23:39 |
| RzR | for editing the wikipage | 23:39 |
| juiceme | thanks for coming! | 23:39 |
| pichlo | this web interface sux :( | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | i think that's more of council-thing, or even better pichlo does himself | 23:39 |
| RzR | but you're here :) | 23:39 |
| pichlo | especjally on a jolla :) | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | hi pichlo | 23:40 |
| juiceme | oo, in irc via webfront? | 23:40 |
| RzR | pichlo, so basically to let you know , anything should be done in mailing list for "legal" stuff | 23:40 |
| RzR | pichlo, so officially you're still a candidate | 23:40 |
| pichlo | ok | 23:41 |
| juiceme | we have been discussing the various options that need to be weighed regarding the election and your decision to step down | 23:41 |
| RzR | pichlo, but we will do anything we can to match your intentions | 23:41 |
| RzR | pichlo, it could cause some issues in the whole election calculations , that's something Win7Mac did point out earlier this evening | 23:41 |
| juiceme | but do rest assured, this sure can be solved, and no harm will be done in the long run | 23:42 |
| pichlo | well, I think I have caused enough hassle already for the people who care to think twice before they vote for me so the danger of that happening is quite small | 23:42 |
| RzR | pichlo, if you're not in top 5 winners then there will be no problem | 23:42 |
| juiceme | yes, that will be the easiest case | 23:42 |
| RzR | pichlo, if you are then we will have to clear out this situation later | 23:42 |
| RzR | pichlo, but anything you can do to be not elected will be welcome to avoid that | 23:43 |
| RzR | pichlo, and we prefer you to talk to TMO and maemo generally , than speaking on your name | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | my bet would be pichlo is in ;) | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | top 5 | 23:44 |
| RzR | the other option is that you accept the result what ever the result is | 23:45 |
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| RzR | he left | 23:45 |
| RzR | this is a bug for freenode or jolla :) | 23:45 |
| *** pichlo has joined #maemo-meeting | 23:46 | |
| pichlo | sorry, lost the edit box and had to get out and back in | 23:46 |
| pichlo | this interface REALLY sux | 23:47 |
| RzR | <pichlo> well, I think I have caused enough hassle already for the people who care to think twice before they vote for me so the danger of that happening is quite small | 23:47 |
| RzR | <RzR> pichlo, if you're not in top 5 winners then there will be no problem | 23:47 |
| RzR | <juiceme> yes, that will be the easiest case | 23:47 |
| RzR | <RzR> pichlo, if you are then we will have to clear out this situation later | 23:47 |
| RzR | <RzR> pichlo, but anything you can do to be not elected will be welcome to avoid that | 23:47 |
| RzR | <RzR> pichlo, and we prefer you to talk to TMO and maemo generally , than speaking on your name | 23:47 |
| RzR | <Win7Mac> my bet would be pichlo is in ;) | 23:47 |
| RzR | <Win7Mac> top 5 | 23:47 |
| RzR | <RzR> the other option is that you accept the result what ever the result is | 23:47 |
| RzR | * pichlo has quit (Quit: Page closed) | 23:47 |
| RzR | <RzR> he left | 23:47 |
| RzR | <RzR> this is a bug for freenode or jolla :) | 23:47 |
| RzR | * pichlo (55d2648f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.210.100.143) has joined #maemo-meeting | 23:47 |
| RzR | ^ in case you missed that part | 23:47 |
| juiceme | RzR, thanks :) | 23:48 |
| pichlo | yes, buggy interface | 23:48 |
| pichlo | of user | 23:48 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, he missed exactly two lines... | 23:48 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, how can you know ? | 23:49 |
| pichlo | if I do get in the top 5, then I will just accept it | 23:49 |
| RzR | ok then no problems | 23:49 |
| juiceme | pichlo, brave decision! | 23:49 |
| RzR | pichlo, thank you for all | 23:49 |
| ZogG | \o/ | 23:49 |
| pichlo | hopefully causing less hassle than re-running the election | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | pichlo, afraid of joerg? | 23:50 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, not appropriate here and now | 23:50 |
| juiceme | +1 | 23:50 |
| RzR | pichlo, ask me if I can help or assist you | 23:50 |
| juiceme | this is not about reasons, now | 23:50 |
| RzR | pichlo, but editing your declaration section is the best you can do , I reformated it a bit | 23:52 |
| pichlo | sorry about slow answers, definitely something wrong with combination jolla + freenode | 23:52 |
| juiceme | OK, now as this is cleared, I'll say goodnight soon | 23:52 |
| RzR | pichlo, a mail to the list would help too , if you want we can do it for you | 23:52 |
| RzR | juiceme, please 2min more | 23:52 |
| juiceme | np | 23:52 |
| pichlo | will follow up on list, promise | 23:53 |
| RzR | pichlo, tell us , I can post like let me highlight your attention on current election and one candidate decided to step down ... | 23:53 |
| juiceme | I never used the web frontend to irc, is it that bad? | 23:53 |
| RzR | ok good | 23:53 |
| RzR | pichlo, then problem is solved you can get back to life now :) thanks for all | 23:54 |
| pichlo | to summarize what said here: no election re-run, prefer not to get elected, will accept if yes | 23:54 |
| RzR | this is clear | 23:54 |
| RzR | hope you enjoyed to be on irc :) | 23:54 |
| juiceme | roger, it is clear | 23:54 |
| RzR | I gave you the fastest way to get online | 23:54 |
| RzR | not the most convenient one | 23:55 |
| juiceme | pichlo, I hope you'll try a *real* character based interface some day :D | 23:55 |
| RzR | try using a jolla client :) | 23:55 |
| ZogG | pichlo, use hexchat on linux or windows | 23:55 |
| pichlo | now that my cherry is popped, I may even enjoy it ;) | 23:55 |
| ZogG | best client | 23:55 |
| RzR | isnt irc-chatter ported to sailfishos ? | 23:55 |
| ZogG | RzR, it is | 23:55 |
| RzR | pichlo, next time check #maemo room | 23:56 |
| ZogG | pichlo, it's better to be affraid and do things than not to care voted for you btw too | 23:56 |
| juiceme | RzR, used it before, but did not install after some wipe I did for my Jolla. OK client but I prefer ssh+screen :) | 23:56 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, so happy ending ? | 23:56 |
| RzR | juiceme, yea I use irssi along mosh too | 23:57 |
| juiceme | ZogG, amen | 23:57 |
| Win7Mac | sure thing | 23:57 |
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| RzR | peterleinchen, hi is your sport session over ? | 23:57 |
| juiceme | both be good, though I loked bitchx best back in its day... | 23:57 |
| *** peterleinchen is now known as Guest16402 | 23:57 | |
| ZogG | irssi on laptop | 23:57 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, guesting now :) | 23:58 |
| juiceme | irssi is most verastile IMHO | 23:58 |
| juiceme | everybody, goodnight! | 23:58 |
| RzR | actually my client in znc and I connect to irsii and xchat to it at the same time | 23:58 |
| RzR | juiceme, yea nite | 23:59 |
| * juiceme goes to sleep now | 23:59 | |
| RzR | let me wish you all an happy new year | 23:59 |
| RzR | i'll stay around for now but we can close the meeting now | 23:59 |
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