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rZrjuiceme, hi21:21
rZrI updated status21:22
rZrhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1451670#post145167021:22
rZrthings are going well21:22
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juicemerZr, hiya!21:28
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juicemeam just checking user tables for voting.21:29
juicemeI am happy that all of our candidates have karma>10021:31
rZryea this is good21:32
rZrjuiceme, can we set the TBA date in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014#Nominated21:32
juicemewell, I guess the TBA for karma means a cutoff date when karma needs to be over 100?21:34
juicemeso not relevant now as all have over 10021:34
juicemeTBA for list of potential candidates; Not sure if relevant?21:35
juicemeTBA for List of candidates announced; that'll be the date when nomonation closes21:36
rZrok21:36
juicemejust my opinions :)21:36
rZrok21:37
rZrjuiceme, Nominations close -13 Dec 201421:38
rZrdoes this mean on 14th no more nominates right /21:39
rZrbut how long to wait for declaration of candidates ?21:39
rZrList of candidates announced - TBA21:40
rZrthis one show be set ASAP21:40
juicemewell, do we follow UTC, so that nomination closes 00:00 (midnight UTC) on between sat and sun?21:41
juicemeIf so, then we can announce final list a minute over midnight if we want to :)21:41
rZrcandidates are the ones that posted to list21:42
rZrwe expect them to do it now or after the nomination close right ?21:42
rZrtell me if I am wrong21:43
rZrbut21:43
rZrnomination came before declaration21:43
rZrbbl21:43
rZrdinner time21:43
juicemeokay21:47
juicemethis is how I understood it; nomination period is the duration when nominations are made. during this period the candidates announce their nomination.21:49
juicemecontemplation period is when candidates can introduce themselves and engage in discussions with each other and voters.21:50
juicemeThen follows the voting period, when election machine is open21:51
juicemewhen voting closes, results are announced21:51
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rZrback22:03
juicemeokay22:03
juicemePeter's not here yet, though22:03
rZryea22:03
rZrhe has familly health issue22:04
rZrsame here22:04
juicemeyes.22:04
juicemeSo, what do we still have to clear out before the weekend?22:04
rZrList of candidates announced - TBA22:05
juicemethat'll be finalized when nomination ends22:06
rZr20 dec ?22:06
juiceme14.12 ?22:06
rZrNominations close -13 Dec 201422:06
juicemeyes22:06
rZrso what is the step after ?22:06
juicemea minute after midnight22:06
juiceme:)22:06
juicemeUTC I guess22:06
rZrhumm22:07
juicemeor do you have other ideas?22:07
rZrnot really but we're supposed to announce a date for TBA22:07
rZrI understood this22:08
rZr1st community nominate folks until 13 Dec 201422:08
juicemeyes22:08
rZrthen nominee has a "short" delay to confirm if they're candidate22:09
rZr(posting to the ml)22:09
rZruntil the List of candidates announced - date22:09
rZrso we should set it up now22:09
juicemeokay, now I get what you mean.22:09
juicemeI understood it a bit differently;22:09
juiceme1. nomination period is the duration when nominations are made. during this period the  candidates announce their nomination.22:09
juiceme2. contemplation period is when candidates can introduce themselves and engage in discussions with each other and voters..22:10
juiceme3. Then follows the voting period, when election machine is open22:10
juicemeSo I tought that nomination period is when candidates are nominated (and accepted)22:11
juiceme... it seemed so easy but now I am confused... it might be that you are correct22:11
rZrif so I will name "Nominations close" as Candidate application close22:12
rZrI would22:12
rZrand if it is unclear to us22:13
rZrit should be also for community :)22:13
juicemeyes22:13
rZrit does not tell when 2. is starting22:13
juicemeSo you are OK with my interpretation? (since that's how it was done on previous elections)22:14
rZractually I dont recall22:14
juicemesame here22:14
juicemeI thought I knew it... now I have to confess I am not sure22:14
rZrlol22:15
rZrwe definitly need to replace the council ;)22:15
rZrsixwheeledbeast1, ping ping ping22:15
rZrhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_201422:16
rZrnot very helpful22:16
rZrhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_201322:16
rZrthat one is clear22:16
rZrjuiceme, so you're right22:16
juicemeon 2013 there are 2 elections ongoing at the same time22:17
juicemeotherwice, yes22:17
rZrAnyway this it's set as TBA22:19
rZrit would be nice to shift a bit to make sure all applications are sent to the list22:19
rZrif not done already22:19
juicemeyes22:20
rZrok so are you ok to retitle as22:20
juicemeI hope those who have been thinking about it will post early22:20
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rZrcandidate application deadline / list published22:20
rZrhi peterleinchen22:20
juicemeand those that have announced on TMO will announce on the list ASAP22:20
peterleinchenhi22:20
juicemepeterleinchen! ho!22:20
rZrpeterleinchen, hope everything will get better your side soon22:21
juicemeso how's your dad?22:21
peterleinchenin hospital22:21
rZrso his my grandma22:21
rZris22:21
peterleinchenfever and more ...22:21
peterleinchencame back home and daughter 3922:21
peterleinchen:(22:22
rZrannoying .. if you need more time please tell us22:22
rZrwe can try to make it fast22:22
rZrso to sum up22:22
peterleinchenI am in bed now ;)22:22
rZrthere is a litle question about the delay about22:22
juicemeyes, we have been talking about the announcement times22:22
rZrthe delay between22:22
peterleinchenRzR, good work in wiki :) thx22:22
rZrNominations close -13 Dec 201422:22
rZrand22:22
rZrList of candidates announced - TBA22:23
rZrjuiceme, thinks it will happend a nanosecond after22:23
peterleinchenyeah today I asked myself why is there 2 weeks between22:23
rZrwhile I think they should be a delay to give to the nominees to declare themselves candidates22:23
rZrI think there should be22:24
rZrawww my English is terrible22:24
rZractually my French is even worse22:24
juicemeheh22:24
juicemewell we could not find an exact defilition of the periods22:25
rZrlet's make them now22:25
rZrthis is our job22:25
rZrsooner it is22:25
rZrbetter it is22:25
juicemeand I was thinking like, announcemet needs to be done _during_ the nomination period22:25
juicemeya22:26
juicemeand I am pretty sure that was so previously; the contemplation period after the nominations is for discussing things with candidates22:27
peterleinchenbut what? I even cannot remember last time :(22:27
juicemeindeed,neither do we22:28
peterleinchen:)22:28
peterleinchenbut now it is so.22:28
peterleinchenand it seems to match election rules.22:28
juicemeactually the election rules say nothing about contemplation22:28
juicemehttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process22:28
peterleinchenyes not explicitly22:29
juicemeso that seems to be an addition done later.,..?22:29
rZr2014-12-13 : Deadline to nominate members22:29
rZr2014-12-17 : Deadline for candidate declararion22:29
rZr2014-12-18 : Publication of candidates list22:29
rZr2014-12-19 : (contemplation period)22:29
rZr2014-12-28 : Voting opens22:29
rZr2015-01-03 : Voting close22:29
rZr2015-01-?? : Results announced22:29
juicemeokay by me22:29
juicemewe can do it that way if we so decide22:30
rZrok for 17 ?22:30
rZror 1622:30
rZrsince we have the meeting the 16th22:31
rZrit could be over22:31
rZrbut maybe not22:31
rZrbut since peterleinchen use to post mininutes the day after22:31
juicemewe could announce the final list in meeting22:31
rZrit will be ok22:31
rZrok 20:00 UTC22:31
juicemeso that'll be an exception to the rule, that all periods end 23:59?22:32
rZrok22:32
rZrpeterleinchen, if it's ok for you I put this on wikipage22:33
rZrhope it's more clear22:33
peterleinchenthen why not extend candidate nomination to happen until 20th ?22:34
rZrif we make a little pressure on candidates we have it could be over before ..22:34
peterleinchenbut I/we made schedule to rules or at least we interpreted22:34
rZrbecause I suppose most of them will be busy w/ xmass etc22:34
rZrso it would be too late if we want to close the vote on early jan22:35
juicemeyes, this needs to be over well before holidays22:35
rZrthis date was announced22:35
rZrunsure it is wize to shift it now22:35
rZrlet me check your previous report22:36
peterleinchenno. not shifting the voting22:36
rZrto make sure it is aligned to what is on wiki22:36
rZrhttp://maemo.org/community/council/q4_2014_community_council_election_announcement/22:36
juicemeI agree, voting is fixed to the dates already22:36
rZrContemplation period starts on Sunday 14th of December 2014 and continues until 27th of December 2014.22:36
rZrthis is on clear22:37
rZrthere is no ambiguity22:37
rZrsorry for confusion22:37
peterleinchenand here is election rule:22:37
peterleinchenNominations will be accepted 2 weeks before the election begins from any community member with a karma of 100 or above.22:37
peterleinchenthat I read 13th is deadline, not 16/1722:38
rZrthe reason of my confusion22:38
rZrI thought that Nomination is before Declaration22:38
rZrI assume in this context it is the same22:38
rZrjuiceme, right ?22:38
juicemeas I stated, I thought 13 dec is the deadline when announcement to accept nomination needs to be made22:39
peterleinchennominee is someone who declared to go for council22:39
juiceme... or that was my solemn view before rzr challenged it :)22:40
peterleinchenjuiceme, yes22:40
rZrok thanks22:40
rZrforget all I said22:40
juicemethat OK with you?22:40
peterleinchenbut still my question is: what to these two weeks? ;)22:40
juicemeas the list you posted above also makes sense22:41
rZractually22:41
rZrhttp://maemo.org/community/council/q4_2014_community_council_election_announcement/22:41
juicemeI thought the 2 weeks were for discussion betwween candidates & voters, to familiarize with and get to know on whom to vote.22:42
rZris matching the dates at :22:42
rZrhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014#Election_timetable22:42
rZrand program setup ?22:42
peterleinchenjuiceme, yes22:43
peterleinchenand more to let them post their "declaration text" on wiki22:43
rZryea that's it22:43
peterleinchenand give time for setting up election22:43
rZrthis can be done now22:43
rZrbut the deadline should be clear to all22:44
peterleinchenso only deadline is mailing list!22:44
juicemedeadline has been communicated22:44
peterleinchenshould be published/reminded once more on tmoƃ?22:44
rZrso we'ok22:44
juicemeand we can remind the ones not postd to ML yet22:44
rZrbut those TBA are confusion22:44
rZrbut those TBA are confusing22:44
peterleinchenrzr, yes22:45
juicemeokay, you can remove them then.22:45
rZryea22:45
rZrand tell me again22:45
rZrif I am wrong of not22:45
rZrbut a candidate is a nominee until he declare to the ml22:45
rZrSo Nominations close -13 Dec 201422:45
rZrand22:46
rZrList of candidates announced - TBA22:46
rZris suggesting there is a delay between22:46
juicemebut it could be one minute22:46
rZrI guess I am not the only one that get trapped since I almost conviced juiceme ;)22:46
juicemehehh22:46
peterleinchenyeah, like 2 days or so. to fetch list and post22:47
peterleinchenyou two :)22:47
rZrok to remove the 1st 2 TBAs in22:50
rZrhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014#Election_timetable22:50
rZr?22:50
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rZrhi Win7Mac22:50
Win7Machuh, guys, wait a sec, reading log22:50
juicemeWin7Mac, hi :)22:50
peterleinchenheyho22:51
rZranyway if deadline is 13th22:52
rZrlet me focus on contacting the nominees22:52
rZrwe have enough for now22:52
rZrjust assist them to post to the mailing list22:52
rZrright ?22:53
Win7Macpeterleinchen hit the nail: "Nominations will be accepted 2 weeks before the election begins"22:53
rZryea22:54
juicemeindeed, but we went into semantics on what to do during each period :=22:54
Win7Macbut i agree that "contemplation period" in future (if introduced in referendum) may be used for nominees to accept22:55
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Win7Mac...since then a discussion is supposed to happen22:55
juicemeyes22:56
juicemebut as for now, shall we continue as agreed?22:57
peterleinchenyep22:57
juicemenominations to the ML have to be posted before UTC 23:59 on the 13 december22:57
peterleinchenbut good to get it confirmed :)22:58
peterleinchenjuiceme, yes22:58
juicemeand so final list of candidates can be published the next day, for example22:58
peterleinchenright no we have only three, right?22:58
juicemeyes three have confirmed22:59
juicemeand we need to remind the ones that have announced on TMO that they need to post to ML22:59
peterleinchenput the link to mailing list into tmo?22:59
juicemeyes, that would be fine.23:00
Win7Macright, thanks23:01
peterleinchenwhich one?23:01
peterleinchencandidates or official announce thread?23:01
juicemeWin7Mac, BTW, I am happy that all nominees have more than 100 karma23:01
juicemeI calculated karma for pichlo and htheb, and they pass with flying colours23:03
juicemepeterleinchen, both, please :)23:03
Win7Macgreat23:04
rZranything else ?23:05
rZrI'll try to update this wiki in real time to make it easier to have them all contacted23:05
rZrI sent some messages already23:05
juicemerZr, thanks23:05
Win7MacrZr: awesome, many thanks!23:05
juicemenothing else from me23:05
* peterleinchen has done23:06
rZrok good23:06
* rZr see that's Win7Mac signature is not yet infected by the election virus 23:06
juiceme:)23:07
Win7Macpeterleinchen hat fertig...23:07
Win7MacI'm posting in community threads only, so no real need for that...23:07
peterleinchenwin7mac, :)23:07
juicemeokay, one final thing before we close23:07
peterleinchenyes?23:08
juicemecandidacy of the current council, that is :)23:08
peterleinchendid not risk to ask ;)23:08
Win7Macall of you!23:08
Win7Mac;)23:08
juiceme:p23:08
peterleinchenbut then no fresh blood23:08
Win7Mac2 more seats to fill23:09
juicemeIt is true, fresh blood is needed, and there are so many good candidates23:09
Win7Macbut who knows who votes who?23:09
juicemebesides, it may be we are not wanted to continue :)23:09
peterleinchenI would go one more but yeah there are really good candidates23:09
peterleinchenjuiceme, you are a good guy ;)23:10
peterleinchenso I am undecided yet23:10
juicemethanks, I _try_ to be. But I cna be a real bitch when cornered :)23:10
Win7Macjuiceme is the cement between board + council. I would love to see that continue. I believe it is needed ATM.23:11
juicemeand I do have just too much to do, but still. Being in the council is fun.23:11
peterleinchen+10023:11
peterleinchento both of you23:11
juicemeso I am prepared to be nominee for the next round.23:11
peterleinchenwhat the heck, me too23:12
juicemeI will announce on the ML today, and I hope you'll too :)23:12
Win7MacYEA! :))))23:12
rZrjuiceme, I see you belong to the undecided group for now :)23:12
rZrlet me fix that23:12
juicemeyes, "announcers-on-irc" group23:12
peterleinchendealine is 13th 23:59 UTC :D23:12
peterleinchenwill do on tmo now but also say yi might like others to win!23:13
peterleinchens/yi/I/23:14
juicemeWill do so :)23:14
peterleinchenanymore unclear?23:14
peterleinchenrZr, and you?23:15
juicemecoming with us? :)23:15
rZrI will if candidates program's suck23:15
rZr;)23:15
juicemeya :)23:15
rZrso make sure to polish yours23:15
peterleinchen:) mine will be: one more time!23:16
Win7Machehehe23:16
rZrmine was terrible23:17
rZrI said It wont promised anything23:17
rZrand I did not lie23:17
peterleinchenso was/will be mine23:17
rZrbut let's see what is going on23:18
juicemebut that leaves room to improve right? :)(23:18
rZrand it would be good to have more declared candidate23:18
rZri see this at top priority23:18
rZrhow many we had last time ?23:18
rZrwas it enough ?23:18
peterleinchenyes last time 8@or so23:20
peterleinchenjuiceme, I just did :)23:20
juicemeyes, we had good candidates then too23:20
Win7Mac10... http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=3723:20
peterleinchenthen got aware that gerbick will also go? :)23:21
peterleinchenwin7mac, that much really?23:21
Win7Macreally23:21
rZrso we should able to do twice as much23:23
rZr3+5 = 8 said they want to23:23
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* rZr https://twitter.com/RzrFreeFr/status/54315534685728358423:28
* rZr http://www.reddit.com/r/maemo/comments/2ower6/the_maemo_community_council_will_have_its_next/23:29
juicemeallright, done it :)23:29
Win7Macdude, hold your horses...23:29
rZrnothing can stop me now23:30
juiceme:)23:30
rZrIf the new council replace us23:30
rZrwe're free23:30
rZr;)23:30
juicemeyippee :)23:31
peterleinchenjuiceme, just landed in inbox same time :)23:32
Win7MacrZr, but we want candidates to be *maemo.org users, not someone from somewhere, right?23:32
peterleinchenwill do only very short one (longer belongs to wiki)23:32
Win7Mactexrat may be hard to reach though23:32
peterleinchenjuiceme, erm. why Q1 2015?23:33
juicemeWin7Mac, well it is impossible for someone just come in, so good to raise awardness :)23:33
rZrWin7Mac, someone from anywhere as long he has a good maemo karma23:33
juicemewot, that's the term, right?23:33
Win7Macok23:33
rZrI am wondering if maemo will attract microsoft lumia users someday23:34
peterleinchenhmm all wiki say 14 2014...23:34
rZr14?23:35
juicemewell yes, that's the elections but the term is q1/201523:35
peterleinchenq423:35
peterleinchendoesnt matter :)23:35
juicemeor again, I wrote quicker than I think :)23:35
Win7Macpeterleinchen, cut your fingernails... ;)23:35
juicemenot so unusual for me...23:36
peterleinchenwin7mac, ???23:36
Win7Macq4 > 1423:36
Win7Macwrong key, 1 is right above q on german keyboard23:37
juicemesame on the finnish layout23:38
Win7Macnevermind...23:38
peterleinchenmy nails are short, cannot imagine how that happened! ;)23:39
Win7Mac;)23:40
juicemeI frequently get letters mixed, not the way I hit a nearby letter but the way I hit keys in wrong sequence, like "teh" when I mean "the"... have not yet found out if it really is because I type so fast or is it a problem in the way I see the world :)23:42
* peterleinchen has done also23:42
peterleinchenyou got mail :)23:42
Win7Macyay!23:43
rZrmeanwhile https://www.reddit.com/r/thepiratebay/comments/2ouhkm/list_of_fake_thepiratebay_sites_will_keep_updating/23:43
rZrmaybe maemo will have to face face maemo sites someday too... if we dont take care of it23:44
rZrhave to face faKe sites23:44
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juicemehow cool would that be :)23:45
Win7Machehehe23:45
juicemekolp, hi :)23:45
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kolp__looks like my connection is flaky at best :/23:47
juicemekolp__, using a mobile device?23:48
kolp__nope23:48
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rZrdo you know http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page ?23:48
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rZrhttp://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Nokia_Memories23:48
rZrshould I link this to our wiki23:49
juicemehaven't seen that before23:49
rZrlinked to http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia23:49
juicemeyeah, that's typical when you rely on online storage for your important stuff23:50
juicemesooner or later thy are going to stop the service or chane terms & conditions :(23:50
rZror is exploited23:51
peterleinchenI am done for today23:52
juicemeyes23:52
juicemesame for me, soon to bed23:52
peterleinchenlemme say gn823:52
peterleinchencouncil is on a good way ...23:53
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juicemenite, then :)23:54
rZrbybye23:55

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