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| peterleinchen_ | hey guys, I'll be around 15 minutes late | 21:49 |
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| RzR | Tue Nov 25 20:04:17 UTC 2014 | 22:04 |
| RzR | juiceme: hi | 22:04 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_: hi | 22:04 |
| juiceme | hiya all ! | 22:11 |
| juiceme | how's things? | 22:11 |
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| juiceme | mmh, seems this ~jyrjyr guy has some serious connectivity issues... | 22:16 |
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| RzR | yea time to kick it out ? | 22:23 |
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| juiceme | could be, if there's somebody who's got da power :) | 22:24 |
| peterleinchen_ | here I am o/ | 22:25 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:26 |
| juiceme | It's nice to see that Niel's back on TMO, too bad he left the council... | 22:26 |
| peterleinchen_ | yep | 22:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | something happened before I joined? Hreading logs) | 22:27 |
| juiceme | nothing that I know of | 22:28 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay | 22:28 |
| RzR | nothing last week neither | 22:29 |
| juiceme | most of the log's been filled with this one guy popping in&out all the time, probably forgotten a client hanging there on a screen and it timeouts&reconnects all the time | 22:29 |
| RzR | so I see 2 topic to start | 22:29 |
| RzR | 1/ election | 22:29 |
| juiceme | shoot | 22:29 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:29 |
| RzR | 2/ referendum | 22:29 |
| juiceme | 2xyes | 22:30 |
| juiceme | the date of the next election is a fixed point in time | 22:30 |
| juiceme | or thereabouts. | 22:30 |
| RzR | i am unsure we have time to setup referendum before next council replace us , do u ? | 22:30 |
| juiceme | possibly not. I'd say the next election is mmore important to get going | 22:31 |
| juiceme | if we have time, we might put something forward to the referendum too. | 22:32 |
| RzR | yea ... do u have experience on the election process ? | 22:32 |
| juiceme | just trying to find the dates... | 22:32 |
| juiceme | for some reason cannot open Maemo wiki... | 22:33 |
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| Win7Mac | hi! | 22:34 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 22:34 |
| RzR | hi Win7Mac | 22:34 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi | 22:34 |
| peterleinchen_ | hey | 22:34 |
| Win7Mac | good you're all back ;) | 22:35 |
| RzR | we are | 22:35 |
| juiceme | RzR, yes, last year the elaction was held 14 december | 22:36 |
| juiceme | so we should announce the upcoming elections soonest. | 22:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes, seems we are late | 22:38 |
| RzR | last time it was delayed because there wernt enough candidates | 22:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council states we have only until October | 22:39 |
| peterleinchen_ | ? | 22:39 |
| RzR | we were supposed to rule for 6 months | 22:39 |
| RzR | so no need to panic | 22:40 |
| juiceme | so, if we announce upcoming elections now, as to start on early as possible it will go to 21...28 decembed, smack in the middle of christmas | 22:40 |
| peterleinchen_ | I know, just May + 6 months != October | 22:40 |
| juiceme | do you suppose it is a bad thing... people have lots of other things on their mind | 22:40 |
| RzR | but they have to vote | 22:41 |
| peterleinchen_ | other things in mind and possibly away from home/inet | 22:41 |
| RzR | well anyway we should try to make sure all is ready | 22:42 |
| RzR | including candidates | 22:42 |
| juiceme | it goes 2 ways; possible people have more free time so might be okay, on the other hand the free time probably is not going to be directed towards elections... | 22:42 |
| peterleinchen_ | according to the handful of people: | 22:43 |
| juiceme | yes, should try to announce early enough to get candidates | 22:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | who wants to vote, will vote | 22:43 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, true | 22:43 |
| RzR | attracting news candidates was one of our duty | 22:44 |
| RzR | duties | 22:44 |
| juiceme | yes. so have we been attractive ? :) | 22:44 |
| peterleinchen_ | I do feel so ;) | 22:44 |
| RzR | future will tell | 22:44 |
| juiceme | I sure hope so. | 22:45 |
| Win7Mac | suuure :) | 22:45 |
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| juiceme | Win7Mac, :) | 22:46 |
| Win7Mac | and i hope you'll stay | 22:46 |
| RzR | do u know what should be done now ? | 22:46 |
| juiceme | mmmh, a possibility, though I have been here for a year already :) | 22:47 |
| RzR | Win7Mac: wanna apply ? | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | announce elections soon i'd say | 22:47 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, an institution is an institution | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | rzr: ^^ | 22:48 |
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| RzR | yea anything special todo or just cut and paste previous email | 22:49 |
| juiceme | not really, no. | 22:49 |
| peterleinchen_ | announcement is done via mail list or TMO? | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | both at best | 22:49 |
| RzR | i guess both | 22:49 |
| juiceme | yes, to both. | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | mail list is the must though | 22:50 |
| juiceme | The form of the announcement is pretty free, but we should set some dates before posting | 22:50 |
| peterleinchen_ | nothing special I would say, except the referendum? | 22:50 |
| peterleinchen_ | which could decide future of council? | 22:51 |
| juiceme | yes, that's still to be defined | 22:51 |
| RzR | so what can we add to this email ? | 22:51 |
| juiceme | RzR, the election announcement email? | 22:51 |
| RzR | yea | 22:52 |
| peterleinchen_ | I would not mix that, or? | 22:52 |
| juiceme | well, I'd start with general wellbeing & necessity to continue on etc. | 22:52 |
| juiceme | then announce the dates | 22:52 |
| juiceme | and ask for candidates | 22:52 |
| Win7Mac | well, you could add that a referendum is one of the tasks for next council | 22:53 |
| RzR | hiw many are needed to bootstrap the vote ? | 22:53 |
| RzR | how many candidates ? 7 8 or 10 ? | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | 5 | 22:54 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes, at least | 22:54 |
| juiceme | yes, something on those lines, "future Council will have the possibility to define its role via a referendum hopefully early in the session" or something | 22:54 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, 5 is the elected amount | 22:55 |
| RzR | there are 5 chairs ... so no need to do elections if there are <= 5 candidates | 22:55 |
| juiceme | so wne need more to choose from | 22:55 |
| RzR | juiceme: yea thoses upper words are fine | 22:56 |
| juiceme | RzR, well yes, I suppose if there's no more than that... there was some mentioning of it in the rules | 22:56 |
| juiceme | ah | 22:56 |
| juiceme | it says if there's less than 4, elections cannot be held | 22:56 |
| juiceme | so will need to recruit more | 22:57 |
| juiceme | if fewer than6, then 3 will be elected | 22:57 |
| juiceme | if 6 or more, then 5 will be elected | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | council has a min. of 3!!! | 22:57 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, yes | 22:57 |
| juiceme | 3 or 5, to be precise | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | exactly | 22:58 |
| RzR | ok | 22:58 |
| juiceme | so to have council of 5, we need at least 6 candidates | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | right | 22:58 |
| juiceme | if less than that, 3 will be elected. | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | after extension time... | 22:58 |
| juiceme | if only 3 candidates, election is postponed for a week until more candidates can be recruites | 22:59 |
| peterleinchen_ | win7mac, right | 22:59 |
| RzR | how long is this time ? | 22:59 |
| RzR | 1 wk ? | 22:59 |
| juiceme | 2 weeks | 22:59 |
| peterleinchen_ | 1 month | 22:59 |
| juiceme | 2 weeks to announce candicdacy | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | up to you | 22:59 |
| juiceme | then 1 week to have elections | 23:00 |
| RzR | then election will probably happend next year | 23:00 |
| juiceme | (the poll machine is open for a week) | 23:00 |
| peterleinchen_ | anyone knows how to handle that machine? | 23:00 |
| juiceme | how's the time on mid-january, that better than christmastime? | 23:00 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, I did it last time | 23:01 |
| RzR | it would be good to have it open around 28 dec 5 jan | 23:01 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, :) | 23:01 |
| juiceme | it's not that difficult, only takes care to set up | 23:01 |
| juiceme | RzR, that's middle of new years celebrations | 23:02 |
| RzR | well it doesnt matters much for me | 23:03 |
| juiceme | okay, better than before christmas absolutely | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes | 23:04 |
| juiceme | we can announce it earlier than the minimum 2 weeks. could be better to get candidates that way? | 23:05 |
| RzR | 100% agrea | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | not only we can, we have to announce 4 weeks | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | in advance | 23:06 |
| RzR | yea lets do this asap | 23:07 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, do you want to do that, as Chair? You can look up the announcements made last year | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen_ | 2 weeks before election opens the candidate declarations | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen_ | I can do that | 23:08 |
| juiceme | good, thanks | 23:08 |
| peterleinchen_ | would you send me that mail from last year once more (I am sure I do not have it) | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | or is text on TMO same as mailing list? | 23:09 |
| juiceme | sue | 23:09 |
| juiceme | sure | 23:09 |
| RzR | it should be in archive | 23:09 |
| juiceme | it's on the TMO archives too. same place as where minutes go | 23:10 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, yep ;) | 23:10 |
| juiceme | so, election box is going to be open 28 dec to 4 jan, so candidates acceptance starts 14 dec, | 23:11 |
| juiceme | that okay? | 23:11 |
| RzR | looks good to me | 23:11 |
| peterleinchen_ | agree | 23:11 |
| juiceme | are you both willing to step up for re-election? | 23:12 |
| RzR | i am unsure | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, good question :) | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, why? | 23:12 |
| RzR | i wish to have fresh blood comming out | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes, sure | 23:13 |
| juiceme | true though. but we must aim for 5 memebers, then there's room for new&old | 23:13 |
| RzR | this is how healthy democracy are supposed to work isnt it ? | 23:13 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen_ | but we also need some continuity, right? | 23:13 |
| Win7Mac | right | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen_ | I think I could do one more | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | great! | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | if wanted! | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | sure! | 23:14 |
| juiceme | also true, but hopefully we are not going away, and same goes for older councillors | 23:14 |
| RzR | well I will do present myself depending on the candidates ;) | 23:14 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, I'd like that :) | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | and I would love to keep you two here | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, i beg you to stay | 23:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | me, too | 23:15 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, I am prepared to stay. more than half of our term was kind of wasted on internal bickering, so did not accomplish al I'd wanted. | 23:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | and of course if there are enough young bloodler I may fade away | 23:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, GREAT | 23:16 |
| RzR | well this is not the time for lets attract new candidates | 23:16 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, let's try to get candidates, it is the vote then that finally decides :) | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | sure :) | 23:16 |
| RzR | else we'll have to face the usual critics on maemo governance ;) | 23:16 |
| juiceme | ya! | 23:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | last time we did not have enough and out of the blue there were 7 or 8 candidates | 23:17 |
| RzR | any idea how? | 23:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | so lets hope this time we have also enough members interested | 23:17 |
| RzR | else we will shanghai some | 23:18 |
| juiceme | well, I have to admit I persuaded people. I looked at members who have been vocal lately _and_ had enough karma, and then I pestered you all with emails :) | 23:18 |
| RzR | how many juiceme ? | 23:19 |
| juiceme | same tactic might work again :) | 23:19 |
| juiceme | I think I selected 10 or so people that I tried actively to talk into it | 23:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, yes, I guess we need that tactic! | 23:19 |
| juiceme | as you well remember :) | 23:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | if directly adressed it is better than just reading: oh "new election" | 23:20 |
| juiceme | and I did notice that many had not thought about it, but were willing to go for it after I explained what Council membership is about | 23:20 |
| juiceme | yes, exactly. | 23:21 |
| juiceme | The announcement needs to go first, to remind people that time's up, then personal messages. | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 23:22 |
| juiceme | what, me a politician :) | 23:22 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:22 |
| RzR | Win7Mac: can u make a 20 word sentence about the referendum topic ? or help to | 23:23 |
| RzR | this could be a big change for community | 23:24 |
| juiceme | +1 | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | äähh... please ask juiceme | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | please | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | he said it all in his thread... | 23:25 |
| juiceme | Well I did ask the community and the thread got a lot of attention, even got too heated. There was no real conclusion about it in the end. | 23:25 |
| peterleinchen_ | exactly, open end | 23:25 |
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| RzR | but this could be the main duty of next council ... no need to hide it | 23:26 |
| RzR | M | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | some voices in the thread for abolishing council though... but definetely not my choice! | 23:27 |
| RzR | and lets hope it will result in massive step down spread | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | ? | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, ? | 23:28 |
| RzR | i mean we lost 2/5 of us regarding interactions between council and ev | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | still puzzled | 23:29 |
| RzR | this is something to consider | 23:29 |
| juiceme | I think RzR means that events surrounding the election caused council members to step down | 23:30 |
| RzR | but let's focus.on the election | 23:30 |
| juiceme | so it is a hot topic | 23:30 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | it is, sure | 23:31 |
| juiceme | sorry what i mean above, not "election" but "referendum" | 23:31 |
| RzR | we have a date a process | 23:31 |
| RzR | what is needed now ? | 23:31 |
| juiceme | hurrah, then let's do it :) | 23:31 |
| juiceme | peter will write the announcement on TMO & mlist | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | announce dates via mailing list and TMO | 23:32 |
| RzR | for the minutes | 23:32 |
| juiceme | and then we start thinking about active people who we'd like to see in council | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | until when I have to do that? | 23:33 |
| RzR | u can also mention about the active project page linked from m.org | 23:33 |
| peterleinchen_ | weekend is early enough, right? | 23:33 |
| peterleinchen_ | as I have to make mom for this (and last :() meeting | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | sunday at latest i'd say | 23:33 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay | 23:34 |
| RzR | and suggest the page can be edited for other projects too | 23:34 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, sure | 23:34 |
| peterleinchen_ | I am not sure to mix that with election? | 23:34 |
| RzR | not the election annouce | 23:35 |
| peterleinchen_ | rzr, you mean minutes? | 23:35 |
| RzR | just the minutes report | 23:35 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:35 |
| RzR | yea read above | 23:35 |
| peterleinchen_ | then SURE | 23:35 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Projects | 23:36 |
| peterleinchen_ | lets see if i can make an announcement so our news ticker gets some new mesaage date ;) | 23:36 |
| juiceme | love the "UnActive Projects" :) | 23:37 |
| juiceme | good to keep them there, just in case & historical reference | 23:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | maybe "hot" would be better name than active? | 23:38 |
| RzR | and to resurect them ;) | 23:38 |
| juiceme | if some one is willing, always possibility :) | 23:39 |
| RzR | listing them all anf updating status could help devolopers | 23:40 |
| RzR | http://maemo.org/ | 23:40 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_: is this the empty news ticker ? | 23:41 |
| juiceme | ? | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen_ | not the empty news, but the announce ticker with very old entries | 23:42 |
| RzR | ok | 23:42 |
| RzR | sorry for my spelling .. (i am on n9 ssh irsii) | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | for a vkb pretty nice ;) (I am on N900 bitch) | 23:44 |
| juiceme | why use VKB when you have the real thing...? | 23:47 |
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| juiceme | and ~jyrjyr strikes again :) | 23:50 |
| peterleinchen_ | there he is again | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | ...and please pester chem|st regarding bank account :( | 23:51 |
| peterleinchen_ | win7mac, yes that is one question | 23:52 |
| peterleinchen_ | what about eV status? | 23:52 |
| Win7Mac | in order to receive HiFo funds bank account is required | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | thats kinda pressing issue | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | basically juiceme (as eV board) needs to sort it out with him | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac | but after all its communitz donations so council pushing too is kinda ok... | 23:56 |
| peterleinchen_ | win7mac, so bank account still not created? | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | nope... | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen_ | :( | 23:58 |
| RzR | >:( | 23:59 |
| Win7Mac | at least not that I know of | 23:59 |
| juiceme | it's between me & chemist. | 23:59 |
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