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peterleinchen_hey guys, I'll be around 15 minutes late21:49
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RzRTue Nov 25 20:04:17 UTC 201422:04
RzRjuiceme: hi22:04
RzRpeterleinchen_: hi22:04
juicemehiya all !22:11
juicemehow's things?22:11
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juicememmh, seems this ~jyrjyr guy has some serious connectivity issues...22:16
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RzRyea time to kick it out ?22:23
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juicemecould be, if there's somebody who's got da power :)22:24
peterleinchen_here I am o/22:25
juiceme:)22:26
juicemeIt's nice to see that Niel's back on TMO, too bad he left the council...22:26
peterleinchen_yep22:27
peterleinchen_something happened before I joined? Hreading logs)22:27
juicemenothing that I know of22:28
peterleinchen_okay22:28
RzRnothing last week neither22:29
juicememost of the log's been filled with this one guy popping in&out all the time, probably forgotten a client hanging there on a screen and it timeouts&reconnects all the  time22:29
RzRso I see 2 topic to start22:29
RzR1/ election22:29
juicemeshoot22:29
juicemeyes22:29
RzR2/ referendum22:29
juiceme2xyes22:30
juicemethe date of the next election is a fixed point in time22:30
juicemeor thereabouts.22:30
RzRi am unsure we have time to setup referendum before next council replace us , do u ?22:30
juicemepossibly not. I'd say the next election is mmore important to get going22:31
juicemeif we have time, we might put something forward to the referendum too.22:32
RzRyea ... do u have experience on the election process ?22:32
juicemejust trying to find the dates...22:32
juicemefor some reason cannot open Maemo wiki...22:33
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Win7Machi!22:34
RzRhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda22:34
RzRhi Win7Mac22:34
juicemeWin7Mac, hi22:34
peterleinchen_hey22:34
Win7Macgood you're all back ;)22:35
RzRwe are22:35
juicemeRzR, yes, last year the elaction was held 14 december22:36
juicemeso we should announce the upcoming elections soonest.22:37
peterleinchen_yes, seems we are late22:38
RzRlast time it was delayed because there wernt enough candidates22:38
peterleinchen_http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council states we have only until October22:39
peterleinchen_?22:39
RzRwe were supposed to rule for 6 months22:39
RzRso no need to panic22:40
juicemeso, if we announce upcoming elections now, as to start on early as possible it will go to 21...28 decembed, smack in the middle of christmas22:40
peterleinchen_I know, just May + 6 months != October22:40
juicemedo you suppose it is a bad thing... people have lots of other things on their mind22:40
RzRbut they have to vote22:41
peterleinchen_other things in mind and possibly away from home/inet22:41
RzRwell anyway we should try to make sure all is ready22:42
RzRincluding candidates22:42
juicemeit goes 2 ways; possible people have more free time so might be okay, on the other hand the free time probably is not going to be directed towards elections...22:42
peterleinchen_according to the handful of people:22:43
juicemeyes, should try to announce early enough to get candidates22:43
peterleinchen_who wants to vote, will vote22:43
juicemepeterleinchen_, true22:43
RzRattracting news candidates was one of our duty22:44
RzRduties22:44
juicemeyes. so have we been attractive ? :)22:44
peterleinchen_I do feel so ;)22:44
RzRfuture will tell22:44
juicemeI sure hope so.22:45
Win7Macsuuure :)22:45
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juicemeWin7Mac, :)22:46
Win7Macand i hope you'll stay22:46
RzRdo u know what should be done now ?22:46
juicememmmh, a possibility, though I have been here for a year already :)22:47
RzRWin7Mac: wanna apply ?22:47
Win7Macannounce elections soon i'd say22:47
peterleinchen_juiceme, an institution is an institution22:47
Win7Macrzr: ^^22:48
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RzRyea anything special todo or just cut and paste previous email22:49
juicemenot really, no.22:49
peterleinchen_announcement is done via mail list or TMO?22:49
Win7Macboth at best22:49
RzRi guess both22:49
juicemeyes, to both.22:49
Win7Macmail list is the must though22:50
juicemeThe form of the announcement is pretty free, but we should set some dates before posting22:50
peterleinchen_nothing special I would say, except the referendum?22:50
peterleinchen_which could decide future of council?22:51
juicemeyes, that's still to be defined22:51
RzRso what can we add to this email ?22:51
juicemeRzR, the election announcement email?22:51
RzRyea22:52
peterleinchen_I would not mix that, or?22:52
juicemewell, I'd start with general wellbeing & necessity to continue on etc.22:52
juicemethen announce the dates22:52
juicemeand ask for candidates22:52
Win7Macwell, you could add that a referendum is one of the tasks for next council22:53
RzRhiw many are needed to bootstrap the vote ?22:53
RzRhow many candidates ? 7 8 or 10 ?22:54
Win7Mac522:54
peterleinchen_yes, at least22:54
juicemeyes, something on those lines, "future Council will have the possibility to define its role via a referendum hopefully early in the session" or something22:54
juicemeWin7Mac, 5 is the elected amount22:55
RzRthere are 5 chairs ... so no need to do elections if there are <= 5 candidates22:55
juicemeso wne need more to choose from22:55
RzRjuiceme: yea thoses upper words are fine22:56
juicemeRzR, well yes, I suppose if there's no more than that... there was some mentioning of it in the rules22:56
juicemeah22:56
juicemeit says if there's less than 4, elections cannot be held22:56
juicemeso will need to recruit more22:57
juicemeif fewer than6, then 3 will be elected22:57
juicemeif 6 or more, then 5 will be elected22:57
Win7Maccouncil has a min. of 3!!!22:57
juicemeWin7Mac, yes22:57
juiceme3 or 5, to be precise22:57
Win7Macexactly22:58
RzRok22:58
juicemeso to have council of 5, we need at least 6 candidates22:58
Win7Macright22:58
juicemeif less than that, 3 will be elected.22:58
Win7Macafter extension time...22:58
juicemeif only 3 candidates, election is postponed for a week until more candidates can be recruites22:59
peterleinchen_win7mac, right22:59
RzRhow long is this time ?22:59
RzR1 wk ?22:59
juiceme2 weeks22:59
peterleinchen_1 month22:59
juiceme2 weeks to announce candicdacy22:59
Win7Macup to you22:59
juicemethen 1 week to have elections23:00
RzRthen election will probably happend next year23:00
juiceme(the poll machine is open for a week)23:00
peterleinchen_anyone knows how to handle that machine?23:00
juicemehow's the time on mid-january, that better than christmastime?23:00
juicemepeterleinchen_, I did it last time23:01
RzRit would be good to have it open around 28 dec 5 jan23:01
peterleinchen_juiceme, :)23:01
juicemeit's not that difficult, only takes care to set up23:01
juicemeRzR, that's middle of new years celebrations23:02
RzRwell it doesnt matters much for me23:03
juicemeokay, better than before christmas absolutely23:04
peterleinchen_yes23:04
juicemewe can announce it earlier than the minimum 2 weeks. could be better to get candidates that way?23:05
RzR100% agrea23:06
peterleinchen_not only we can, we have to announce 4 weeks23:06
peterleinchen_in advance23:06
RzRyea lets do this asap23:07
juicemepeterleinchen_, do you want to do that, as Chair? You can look up the announcements made last year23:07
peterleinchen_2 weeks before election opens the candidate declarations23:07
peterleinchen_I can do that23:08
juicemegood, thanks23:08
peterleinchen_would you send me that mail from last year once more (I am sure I do not have it)23:09
peterleinchen_or is text on TMO same as mailing list?23:09
juicemesue23:09
juicemesure23:09
RzRit should be in archive23:09
juicemeit's on the TMO archives too. same place as where minutes go23:10
juicemeyes23:10
peterleinchen_RzR, yep ;)23:10
juicemeso, election box is going to be open 28 dec to 4 jan, so candidates acceptance starts 14 dec,23:11
juicemethat okay?23:11
RzRlooks good to me23:11
peterleinchen_agree23:11
juicemeare you both willing to step up for re-election?23:12
RzRi am unsure23:12
peterleinchen_juiceme, good question :)23:12
peterleinchen_RzR, why?23:12
RzRi wish to have fresh blood comming out23:12
peterleinchen_yes, sure23:13
juicemetrue though. but we must aim for 5 memebers, then there's room for new&old23:13
RzRthis is how healthy democracy are supposed to work isnt it ?23:13
juicemeyes23:13
peterleinchen_but we also need some continuity, right?23:13
Win7Macright23:13
peterleinchen_I think I could do one more23:14
Win7Macgreat!23:14
peterleinchen_if wanted!23:14
Win7Macsure!23:14
juicemealso true, but hopefully we are not going away, and same goes for older councillors23:14
RzRwell I will do present myself depending on the candidates ;)23:14
juicemepeterleinchen_, I'd like that :)23:14
peterleinchen_and I would love to keep you two here23:14
Win7Macjuiceme, i beg you to stay23:15
peterleinchen_me, too23:15
juicemeWin7Mac, I am prepared to stay. more than half of our term was kind of wasted on internal bickering, so did not accomplish al I'd wanted.23:15
peterleinchen_and of course if there are enough young bloodler I may fade away23:15
peterleinchen_juiceme, GREAT23:16
RzRwell this is not the time for lets attract new candidates23:16
juicemepeterleinchen_, let's try to get candidates, it is the vote then that finally decides :)23:16
peterleinchen_sure :)23:16
RzRelse we'll have to face the usual critics on maemo governance ;)23:16
juicemeya!23:17
peterleinchen_last time we did not have enough and out of the blue there were 7 or 8 candidates23:17
RzRany idea how?23:17
peterleinchen_so lets hope this time we have also enough members interested23:17
RzRelse we will shanghai some23:18
juicemewell, I have to admit I persuaded people. I looked at members who have been vocal lately _and_ had enough karma, and then I pestered you all with emails :)23:18
RzRhow many juiceme ?23:19
juicemesame tactic might work again :)23:19
juicemeI think I selected 10 or so people that I tried actively to talk into it23:19
peterleinchen_juiceme, yes, I guess we need that tactic!23:19
juicemeas you well remember :)23:19
peterleinchen_if directly adressed it is better than just reading: oh "new election"23:20
juicemeand I did notice that many had not thought about it, but were willing to go for it after I explained what Council membership is about23:20
juicemeyes, exactly.23:21
juicemeThe announcement needs to go first, to remind people that time's up, then personal messages.23:21
Win7Mac+123:22
juicemewhat, me a politician :)23:22
Win7Mac;)23:22
RzRWin7Mac: can u make a 20 word sentence about the referendum topic ? or help to23:23
RzRthis could be a big change for community23:24
juiceme+123:24
Win7Macäähh... please ask juiceme23:24
Win7Mac;)23:24
Win7Macplease23:24
Win7Mache said it all in his thread...23:25
juicemeWell I did ask the community and the thread got a lot of attention, even got too heated. There was no real conclusion about it in the end.23:25
peterleinchen_exactly, open end23:25
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RzRbut this could be the main duty of next council ... no need to hide it23:26
RzRM23:26
Win7Macsome voices in the thread for abolishing council though... but definetely not my choice!23:27
RzRand lets hope it will result in massive step down spread23:27
Win7Mac?23:27
peterleinchen_RzR, ?23:28
RzRi mean we lost 2/5 of us regarding interactions between council and ev23:28
Win7Macstill puzzled23:29
RzRthis is something to consider23:29
juicemeI think RzR means that events surrounding the election caused council members to step down23:30
RzRbut let's focus.on the election23:30
juicemeso it is a hot topic23:30
juicemeyes23:30
Win7Macit is, sure23:31
juicemesorry what i mean above, not "election" but "referendum"23:31
RzRwe have a date a process23:31
RzRwhat is needed now ?23:31
juicemehurrah, then let's do it :)23:31
juicemepeter will write the announcement on TMO & mlist23:32
peterleinchen_announce dates via mailing list and TMO23:32
RzRfor the minutes23:32
juicemeand then we start thinking about active people who we'd like to see in council23:32
peterleinchen_until when I have to do that?23:33
RzRu can also mention about the active project page linked from m.org23:33
peterleinchen_weekend is early enough, right?23:33
peterleinchen_as I have to make mom for this (and last :() meeting23:33
Win7Macsunday at latest i'd say23:33
peterleinchen_okay23:34
RzRand suggest the page can be edited for other projects too23:34
juicemepeterleinchen, sure23:34
peterleinchen_I am not sure to mix that with election?23:34
RzRnot the election annouce23:35
peterleinchen_rzr, you mean minutes?23:35
RzRjust the minutes report23:35
juicemeyes23:35
RzRyea read above23:35
peterleinchen_then SURE23:35
RzRhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Projects23:36
peterleinchen_lets see if i can make an announcement so our news ticker gets some new mesaage date ;)23:36
juicemelove the "UnActive Projects" :)23:37
juicemegood to keep them there, just in case & historical reference23:37
peterleinchen_maybe "hot" would be better name than active?23:38
RzRand to resurect them ;)23:38
juicemeif some one is willing, always possibility :)23:39
RzRlisting them all anf updating status could help devolopers23:40
RzRhttp://maemo.org/23:40
RzRpeterleinchen_: is this the empty news ticker ?23:41
juiceme?23:42
peterleinchen_not the empty news, but the announce ticker with very old entries23:42
RzRok23:42
RzRsorry for my spelling .. (i am on n9 ssh irsii)23:43
peterleinchen_for a vkb pretty nice ;) (I am on N900 bitch)23:44
juicemewhy use VKB when you have the real thing...?23:47
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juicemeand ~jyrjyr strikes again :)23:50
peterleinchen_there he is again23:50
Win7Mac...and please pester chem|st regarding bank account :(23:51
peterleinchen_win7mac, yes that is one question23:52
peterleinchen_what about eV status?23:52
Win7Macin order to receive HiFo funds bank account is required23:53
Win7Macthats kinda pressing issue23:53
Win7Macbasically juiceme (as eV board) needs to sort it out with him23:55
Win7Macbut after all its communitz donations so council pushing too is kinda ok...23:56
peterleinchen_win7mac, so bank account still not created?23:58
Win7Macnope...23:58
peterleinchen_:(23:58
RzR>:(23:59
Win7Macat least not that I know of23:59
juicemeit's between me & chemist.23:59

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