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| peterleinchen_ | /o | 23:01 |
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| juiceme | hi o/ | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen_ | hiya | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | I think RzR is already in bed (or party :) | 23:05 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, hi, how's it been :) | 23:05 |
| juiceme | could be | 23:05 |
| peterleinchen_ | all well, thanks | 23:05 |
| juiceme | did he already go to china? | 23:05 |
| peterleinchen_ | I thought so (dont know) | 23:06 |
| juiceme | allright, I just added the mailing list moderation to agenda | 23:08 |
| juiceme | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda#2014-10-21 | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | apart from open points I would like to add | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | http://maemo.org | 23:09 |
| juiceme | please, just edit the wiki :) | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | I am online via phone, so patience ..... | 23:09 |
| juiceme | do you mean something on the content of http://maemo.org ? | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | just see the announcements and the daed link to developer.nokia.com | 23:10 |
| juiceme | ah yes, that one | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | and the cordia link (this is dead, isnt it?) | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | a bit of an update here would be fine | 23:11 |
| juiceme | as well as the link www.nokia.com/global/wayfinder. | 23:11 |
| juiceme | all dead or non-relevant | 23:11 |
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| peterleinchen_ | hi xes | 23:12 |
| juiceme | xes, hi | 23:12 |
| xes | hello there! | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | should we just remove them (dead links) | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen_ | xes, pls read öast lines | 23:13 |
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| peterleinchen_ | how to refresh the announcements? | 23:13 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, added that to agenda wiki | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, thx | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | so regarding karma | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | I did not see any changes lately | 23:16 |
| juiceme | So, I'll quickly outline the problem with mailing list "moderation state" | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay go ahead | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | meanwhile I add that my karma stayed on same level since two weeks (at least, the time I am watching) | 23:17 |
| juiceme | I realised today that when somebody posts to the maemo-community@maemo.org mailing list using a sender address that is not registered, the message will bounce back with an attached note that says that the message is suspended until a modarator checks the content. | 23:17 |
| juiceme | However, the mails end up in a queue that nobody ever checks :) | 23:18 |
| juiceme | This could be misleading to somebody who sent the mail in good faith, waiting in vain for a moderator to check/approve the message, | 23:18 |
| juiceme | Now, there are basically 2 ways to solve this; | 23:19 |
| juiceme | 1.) we change the message to "posting is forbidden from unregistered accounts, please see bla bla bla..." | 23:19 |
| juiceme | 2.) we actually get someone to check&moderate the postings. (council for example) | 23:20 |
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| Win7Mac | hi o/ | 23:20 |
| peterleinchen_ | win7mac, hi | 23:20 |
| juiceme | there were fairly lots of maoils in the "forgotten queue", mostly spam, but might be some relevant now&then | 23:21 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | link www.nokia.com/global/wayfinder needs to stay, that just got introduced with the announcement ;) | 23:21 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, you are correct, I just realised :) | 23:21 |
| juiceme | it points to Microsoft space, just as it should | 23:21 |
| juiceme | so, which way to go? 1.) would be simplest and possibly OK, since it directs the user to check mail client settings or register | 23:23 |
| juiceme | number 2.) requires some active spam filtering | 23:24 |
| peterleinchen_ | but an unsubscribed person may send to a mailing list (afaik) | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen_ | so how could we bring them online, when we checked? | 23:26 |
| juiceme | it depends, some lists accept it but many forbid it to reduce spam | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | then simplest would be 1) | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | do we know from when this log started? (oldest message) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | I guess there's a procedure to do moderating a mailing list, even as I have not done it. Something like, if a posting is acceptable, the moderator resends it and it gets posted with original sender information... | 23:28 |
| juiceme | xes, there were something like 1050 mails in the queue, right? Which was the oldest? | 23:29 |
| xes | ~april 2013 | 23:31 |
| juiceme | so the backlog is about 1.5 years :) | 23:31 |
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| xes | a maintainer should filter the 95% of spam there and manage subscription and removal requests | 23:34 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:34 |
| juiceme | about the control messages, nobody's looking after those? | 23:38 |
| juiceme | or is it handled by majordomo automagically? | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | xes, how could a 'volunteer' handle that? | 23:45 |
| xes | peterleinchen_: it's not so hard, but probably he would need a little mailing list management experience and a little bit of patience | 23:47 |
| juiceme | I am just guessing, but I think it goes so that address of the moderator is set somewhere in the mailing list engine, and non-conforming messages are sent to it | 23:48 |
| peterleinchen_ | Besides, I would not expect any answer on mails I wrote months ago | 23:48 |
| juiceme | mailing lists are easy to learn to handle, I wrote up a mail<->news gateway for our company's internal mailing list in a few hours from scratch :) | 23:49 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, not for mails sent so long ago, but if we decide to do active moderation, then in the future it will be quick turnaround | 23:50 |
| juiceme | if the volume is about 1000 mails / 18months, that adds up to about 2 mails per day. | 23:51 |
| juiceme | not a huge volume to moderate | 23:51 |
| xes | nothing impossible, but we simply need someone taking care of this | 23:57 |
| juiceme | I'm willing to take care of it. | 23:57 |
| xes | we have a winner! | 23:57 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen_ | i was afraid to ask so | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, you are a winner :) | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:58 |
| juiceme | heh, it should not be too tasking. | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | right, you earned it ;) | 23:58 |
| juiceme | xes, I'll talk to you about it later on maemo-admin | 23:58 |
| xes | juiceme: sure | 23:59 |
| juiceme | well it was I that spotted it in the first place :) | 23:59 |
| juiceme | so, that one taken care of. | 23:59 |
| juiceme | and it's pretty near my bedtime too | 23:59 |
| peterleinchen_ | uh oh so forget about hhtp://maemo.org ;) | 23:59 |
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