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| RzR | Tue Oct 14 20:00:02 UTC 2014 | 23:00 |
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| juiceme | o/ | 23:00 |
| juiceme | RzR, hi | 23:00 |
| RzR | \o_ | 23:00 |
| peterleinchen_ | hey ho | 23:00 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, hiya | 23:00 |
| RzR | the council is full | 23:00 |
| peterleinchen_ | here we are | 23:00 |
| RzR | we're a happy familly now | 23:00 |
| juiceme | thank you, sirs :) | 23:00 |
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| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | hi :) | 23:01 |
| RzR | hi Win7Mac | 23:01 |
| RzR | let me fire first | 23:01 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 23:01 |
| RzR | Relax/modify swear filter on TMO | 23:01 |
| Win7Mac | razorrr... o/ | 23:01 |
| juiceme | RzR, thanks | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen_ | win7mac, is this swearing??? :) | 23:02 |
| juiceme | it is a bit to tight, true | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | kinda ;) | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen_ | to my knowledge evreybody just angry about t w a t | 23:02 |
| RzR | is there a blacklist to edit somewhere ? | 23:02 |
| RzR | who is forum master ? | 23:03 |
| Win7Mac | chemist | 23:03 |
| RzR | chem|st, is here | 23:03 |
| Win7Mac | his bot is, mailny | 23:03 |
| RzR | so let's mail him | 23:03 |
| RzR | I can do that | 23:03 |
| juiceme | I guess the swearwords detector is probably an addon module on the forum SW | 23:03 |
| juiceme | good | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | he knows about this, afair (from thread) | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | nevertheless ping him | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | but what do we want? | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | remove/open up/make it editable/ ... | 23:05 |
| RzR | we want smartwatches | 23:05 |
| peterleinchen_ | NOPE, not me ;) | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | allow "twat" - that's about it I believe | 23:05 |
| peterleinchen_ | hopefully there is a whitelist, too | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | so smartwatch would be allowed? | 23:06 |
| juiceme | i think most of the other cases are not that colliding, just the twatch | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, yep | 23:06 |
| juiceme | just take that away | 23:06 |
| juiceme | i believe its not that common swearword anyways | 23:06 |
| juiceme | the rest of the list may stay as far as I care | 23:07 |
| chem|st | ... | 23:08 |
| peterleinchen_ | Rzr; ask chemist about list (black list and maybe whitelist) | 23:08 |
| RzR | ok will do | 23:08 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st, there he is | 23:08 |
| * RzR is linking urls on http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda#2014-10-14 | 23:09 | |
| RzR | ok next one | 23:11 |
| chem|st | tmo swearfilter is a "don't touch" topic | 23:12 |
| RzR | so we should inform community about loss of 2/5 of coucil | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st, could you explain? | 23:12 |
| chem|st | it is dumb and will stay that unless someone (not me) is coding a new module | 23:12 |
| RzR | chem|st, good to see you I was about to mail you | 23:13 |
| chem|st | o/ | 23:13 |
| RzR | and disabling it is not the best option ? | 23:13 |
| chem|st | well, that makes people use f... b... a.. etc | 23:13 |
| RzR | is it a problen ? | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | exactly, therefore I would like to keep it | 23:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | otherwise lot of work for mods | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | edit blacklist not an option? | 23:14 |
| chem|st | and english people are considerably strange about this | 23:14 |
| RzR | i mean are there legal concern about those words ? | 23:14 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: no blacklist is the part that is dumb | 23:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st, what kind of module? | 23:15 |
| RzR | weid | 23:15 |
| RzR | weird | 23:16 |
| chem|st | I can add words and parts of words, thats about it | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | but ONLY adding? | 23:16 |
| chem|st | I can remove those 6 words... | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | that's what we asked for (which six do you mean?) | 23:17 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_, beware at you :) | 23:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | I DID not aks to repeat them here ;) | 23:18 |
| RzR | one of them is already said | 23:18 |
| chem|st | all words including those words get prowned | 23:19 |
| juiceme | pretty odd filter if it is write-only-cannot-rease :) | 23:19 |
| juiceme | s/rease/erase/ | 23:19 |
| chem|st | :) | 23:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st, you can remove that word? Or not? | 23:20 |
| chem|st | I can remove words and I can add words, I cannot tell that asspirin is mispelled.. | 23:20 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen_: which? | 23:20 |
| peterleinchen_ | smarTWATatch | 23:20 |
| chem|st | ehrm I wont remove twat | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | girl-taco ;) | 23:21 |
| chem|st | and I cannot make it recognize that in between | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | as an english person I would say these are the only words that are expected to be filtered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words OTOH I am not offended by any, however, it's expected to have a bwf on forums. | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh hi BTW o/ | 23:21 |
| chem|st | o/ | 23:22 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st, okay understood, but how often was that crossed out as a single instance and not in combination with smartwatch??? | 23:22 |
| RzR | you can also add iphone the the list ;0 | 23:22 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, YES! :) | 23:22 |
| RzR | seriously can we just "allow" the T. word ... and setup a crisis meeting if someone uses it | 23:24 |
| juiceme | okay, so what if we try it for a while. It can always be put back if there starts to be excessive use of the word, outside of smartwatch-context? | 23:26 |
| juiceme | that okay with everyone? | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen_ | +2 | 23:26 |
| RzR | +42 | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | ok, sorted. Now to the unpleasant stuff: referendum | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | And while MCeV board is fully present, how's progress with bank account? | 23:27 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, wait a sec please | 23:27 |
| RzR | I wanted to finish with the stepping down account | 23:28 |
| chem|st | scheduled thursday 1100 | 23:28 |
| juiceme | chem|st can give a status report on that, I believe he has had talks with some banks | 23:28 |
| juiceme | RzR, yes | 23:28 |
| RzR | neil did mail community | 23:28 |
| RzR | not joerg | 23:28 |
| RzR | I suppose it's same | 23:28 |
| RzR | let's just strike the nickname | 23:28 |
| chem|st | juiceme: I need a written authorization (signed) or actually meeting minutes (signed) if that is ok for you | 23:28 |
| RzR | on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council ? | 23:28 |
| juiceme | All sympathy to Niel, his letter was very moving | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | honestly, I urge you to formally reject joerg | 23:29 |
| RzR | Win7Mac, remark rejected :) | 23:29 |
| RzR | this is coucil meeting | 23:29 |
| juiceme | chem|st, we can handle that, just provide me a text I can sign/scan/mail to you | 23:29 |
| RzR | we need to decide by ourselve | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, sure | 23:30 |
| juiceme | I move that the Council takes a vote on it now | 23:30 |
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| juiceme | peterleinchen_, as the chair, can you conduct the vote? | 23:30 |
| juiceme | xes, hiya | 23:31 |
| RzR | there is no ambiguity on joerg isnt it ? http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=35572 | 23:31 |
| xes | hi! | 23:31 |
| RzR | 2014-06 terms | 23:31 |
| peterleinchen_ | So lets just vote open. | 23:32 |
| RzR | how do you understand terms ? | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | Rzr, no idea | 23:33 |
| juiceme | well, I support open vote on it now | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | matter of fact, joerg didn't care to inform community - his voters - about his decision in a reasonable way | 23:34 |
| peterleinchen_ | I do not understand it, but it could be seen as another ... | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | (community mailing list) | 23:34 |
| RzR | he is still a TMO member http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=finduser&u=35572 | 23:35 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, true. He was given enough time to respond, as Niel did | 23:35 |
| peterleinchen_ | of course he is | 23:35 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, exactly | 23:35 |
| peterleinchen_ | and the internal mails (words he used) showed he will not do so | 23:35 |
| juiceme | this is not question of being a TMO member, it is question on neglecting council duties | 23:35 |
| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1441900#post1441900# II step down from council | 23:36 |
| peterleinchen_ | so | 23:36 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, that is bullshit! | 23:36 |
| RzR | Have fun kids. Be silent and don't bother me, please | 23:36 |
| juiceme | lots of vague talka about it, no certainity either way | 23:36 |
| RzR | are we part of the kids ? | 23:36 |
| peterleinchen_ | for me he showed enough and often that he steps down | 23:36 |
| Win7Mac | that is grammatically wrong and not worth a penny | 23:36 |
| chem|st | ok I can limit to single words (filter thing) now twat is filterd and smartwatch not | 23:36 |
| RzR | chem|st, ok good | 23:37 |
| juiceme | chem|st, good | 23:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | Win7Mac, yes but probably intentional | 23:37 |
| RzR | chem|st, gz! problem solved | 23:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st, THX | 23:37 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen_, absolutely!!! | 23:37 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, THANKS | 23:37 |
| RzR | so if we vote what are the proposition | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | and being confronted with that in council mails he got personal | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | so my vote goes like that: I do NOT see him as part of the council anymore | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | not an option | 23:39 |
| peterleinchen_ | nevertheless as we have no "rule" for that, I would just cross him out | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | "not seeing"... | 23:39 |
| juiceme | RzR, we will vote on the following: "Does the council unanimously decree that Joerg has not fulfilled the task of councillor and so is to be expelled from the Maemo Council" | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | there's no rule allowing council to alter forum swear filter too | 23:40 |
| RzR | I wont be as rude as you | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, +1 | 23:40 |
| juiceme | true. we do not need rules for everything | 23:40 |
| juiceme | RzR, can you rephraze it better? | 23:40 |
| juiceme | If so, I am willing to hear and accept | 23:41 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, yes what kind of phrasing you would like to use? | 23:41 |
| RzR | would say , we council understood a demotivation of joerg and after several attempts to have him back we decided to accept him to focus on others tasks... | 23:41 |
| peterleinchen_ | I am fine with juiceme's | 23:42 |
| juiceme | RzR, that is more polite, yes | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | that's formally non-binding... | 23:42 |
| RzR | same thing in a different perpesctive ;) | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen_ | but also accept yours | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, please read mails between juiceme and joerg once more ... | 23:42 |
| RzR | do you really want me to do that ? | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen_, right, he stepped down, just in wrong channels | 23:43 |
| RzR | this is p-ing me off ;) | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, just reading | 23:43 |
| juiceme | RzR, no matter, I do understand | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, me too | 23:43 |
| RzR | anyway he seems answering on his n900 thread | 23:43 |
| RzR | so it's good to have him focussing on hiss thing | 23:44 |
| RzR | there are benefits for maemo | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | absolutely | 23:44 |
| RzR | and I am wishing him the best luck | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | me too! | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen_ | he will not leave tmo (nor maemo) | 23:44 |
| RzR | we should encourage him instead | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen_ | I think we all do! | 23:44 |
| RzR | so not bothering him about his duty is the least we can do | 23:45 |
| juiceme | "The council accepts that Joerg has decided to step down from Councillor position due to personal reasons, and will accept his resignation" | 23:45 |
| chem|st | RzR: true, his position in regards to n900 and neo900 did not change - you might want to state your support has not changed too | 23:45 |
| chem|st | juiceme: +1 | 23:45 |
| RzR | and we do support his contributions on maemo and neo900 | 23:45 |
| RzR | yea | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | yea | 23:45 |
| RzR | this is fine this way | 23:46 |
| juiceme | yea | 23:46 |
| peterleinchen_ | if RzR is okay with that, another yea | 23:46 |
| chem|st | let the personal issues be personal issues | 23:46 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, thanks | 23:46 |
| juiceme | then we have three votes and this is official COuncil decision | 23:47 |
| RzR | i am ok with you yes | 23:47 |
| juiceme | I believe chair needs to announce that aloud? | 23:47 |
| peterleinchen_ | yep | 23:47 |
| Win7Mac | :drumroll:... | 23:47 |
| peterleinchen_ | have to that via community mailing list | 23:48 |
| peterleinchen_ | will use above text | 23:48 |
| RzR | so we're 3/3 now | 23:48 |
| juiceme | Also, I move we similarily grant Niel the right to step down, as he has announced. | 23:48 |
| RzR | yea link to him | 23:48 |
| juiceme | unless that was already implied earlier | 23:48 |
| chem|st | btw, niel misunderstood the need of a tmo account... | 23:48 |
| peterleinchen_ | already granted, or? | 23:48 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st, I do not know why he asked for TMO deletion | 23:49 |
| chem|st | his resignation from board is not officially binding and he might also been thinking that removal of his tmo account removed his mail aliases | 23:49 |
| juiceme | chem|st, he did it mostly to stay out of arguing/shouting contest | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | hm, then please ask nieldk again about board status, I read otherwise | 23:50 |
| chem|st | I know, but resigning from a fortune500 won't happen by mailing to a mailinglist | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | he did in direct mail | 23:50 |
| juiceme | another thing before I need to close. | 23:51 |
| juiceme | the CoC, have you thought about that? | 23:51 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: I read the same, but only the subject of the mail mentions board | 23:51 |
| peterleinchen_ | do you want me to add some " we thank joerg for his work in council and wish good luck with ongoing Neo900 project"? | 23:51 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, yes, that'd be good | 23:51 |
| peterleinchen_ | at least this is what I would do | 23:52 |
| peterleinchen_ | @all, what about the mail alias "council" then? | 23:52 |
| peterleinchen_ | should/must it be shortened? | 23:52 |
| juiceme | I think techstaff handles that. | 23:53 |
| juiceme | xes, who are on the council mailing list now? | 23:53 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes they WILL handle IF we ask | 23:53 |
| RzR | yea there is no reason to encourage him ... i would also add "this is a valuable contribution for maemo community" | 23:53 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, so council alias is only us three | 23:55 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, so council alias is only us three | 23:55 |
| juiceme | okay, good | 23:55 |
| peterleinchen_ | xes, are you listening? | 23:55 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen_: he has a backlog | 23:56 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_, seems so yes | 23:56 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:56 |
| juiceme | now, about the code of conduct | 23:56 |
| peterleinchen_ | will ad that part to announcement "niel also gone council consist of juice, rzr, peter" | 23:56 |
| chem|st | juiceme: copy paste from another community | 23:56 |
| RzR | well i would postpone it if there is less electricity in the air | 23:56 |
| juiceme | that is a topic still I think, it was not finished last time | 23:56 |
| juiceme | okay | 23:56 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, ? | 23:57 |
| RzR | but we can set it up to prevent this happening again | 23:57 |
| juiceme | chem|st, I thought the KDE code was nice | 23:57 |
| xes | sorry, just one second | 23:57 |
| juiceme | np | 23:57 |
| RzR | sure | 23:57 |
| chem|st | juiceme: that is what I read on making up my mind for eV bylaws^^ | 23:57 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:57 |
| RzR | Win7Mac wanted to talk about referendum | 23:58 |
| RzR | can coc be part of it ? | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | it feels so wrong to loose nieldk while joerg already left, so useless | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, what did you mean by postpone (electricity)? | 23:58 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_, sorry I meant there are less tension now | 23:59 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_, you know the pple who were insulting themselves are gone ... at least some of them are | 23:59 |
| RzR | i am not saying that the bad guys are out | 23:59 |
| RzR | just that it seems quieter now | 23:59 |
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