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| DocScrutinizer05 | listening | 22:57 |
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| juiceme | hi | 23:00 |
| juiceme | Now I hae the correct time&date, it seems | 23:00 |
| juiceme | Okay, I'll call the meeting in session. | 23:04 |
| juiceme | I have just re-read the last meeting's irclogs. | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi juiceme | 23:05 |
| juiceme | Hi Doc | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any progress on elections? | 23:05 |
| juiceme | not yet, I have to say I have been all too busy after easter. | 23:05 |
| juiceme | but now we have to get on to it | 23:06 |
| juiceme | or I have to, I guess :( | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, ignoring what we decided on our inaugural meeting about getting council elections into sync with HiFo elections, we probably have some time still. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2013#Election_timetable -> >>Election then starts 2013/12/08<< | 23:09 |
| juiceme | I have sent Woody mail and asked about the state of the election machine. Hopefully he can help me arrange the voting. | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process#Running_an_election | 23:11 |
| juiceme | thx | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we should come up with a time table already | 23:15 |
| juiceme | okay, so if the last election nominations were finalized at 2013/11/30 | 23:16 |
| juiceme | that means we need to get the same point at 2014/5/30, right? | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | The date of the next election will be set by the council chair, not more than 6 months after the previous election. | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | The election date must be publicised at least 1 month in advance of the election. | 23:18 |
| juiceme | which means we need announcement soon, to get candidates in a month | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:19 |
| juiceme | I'll write the introduction and call for candidates | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine :) | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please get help from GeneralAntilles or Jaffa about which text template to re-use and where to publish the stuff | 23:21 |
| juiceme | I assume the broad lines will be pretty much like laast election, or do you think there's something that needs to be emphasized now? | 23:21 |
| juiceme | thx, I'll do that. | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no clue what to emphasize | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I ahve no more capacity and not even motivation to deal with all this any longer | 23:22 |
| juiceme | then we'll go pretty much like last year | 23:22 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:22 |
| juiceme | I get your sentiment, it has been dificult | 23:22 |
| chem|st | sry... being late... | 23:23 |
| juiceme | chem|st, hiya | 23:24 |
| juiceme | not so late I was last week... | 23:24 |
| chem|st | hmm, for the announcement, note that the Maemo Community e.V is in registration, maybe | 23:28 |
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| juiceme | OK, so I'll again post to council mailing list the drafts I'll draw up of the election announcement & introduction | 23:28 |
| juiceme | before announcing for the community list. | 23:28 |
| juiceme | I'll include something about the current state of e.V. registration | 23:29 |
| chem|st | and that there is only one election and as long as there is HiFo this means for that too.... | 23:29 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:29 |
| chem|st | it is the last HiFo Council as it will be desolved till the next | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way, there IS NO HiFo council | 23:30 |
| juiceme | BTW, where are the registration papes atm? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and any e.V. will not abolish or kill maemo council | 23:30 |
| juiceme | HiFo board, right? | 23:30 |
| chem|st | please, no semantics - there is only one council... but responsibilities are also for hifo | 23:30 |
| chem|st | papers are at niel's | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care, maemo council is not entangled with any e.V. | 23:31 |
| juiceme | was there some timelimit to the registration after the meeting, so that if we miss that ther'll be trouble? | 23:31 |
| chem|st | no timelimit afaik | 23:32 |
| juiceme | ok, good. I was afraid the registration has to be done before some hard limit | 23:32 |
| juiceme | so | 23:32 |
| juiceme | is there AOB, I guess the election is paramount now? | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when the e.V. is willing to accept maemo council as one of its entities in whatever form, that has no retroaction at maemo council and its election | 23:33 |
| juiceme | if nothing else, I'll need to be going | 23:33 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: what do you need, want? An official statement by council to be officially one from now on? | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this has already happened long ago | 23:34 |
| juiceme | Unless I am mistaken, we did conclude thet there is just one council, and we are that, at some meeting before? | 23:34 |
| chem|st | so what are you argueing about? hifo is initiallizing transformation into an eV, with all assets... | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: exactly | 23:34 |
| juiceme | there is just one council, period. | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and any e.V. has no saying in what council does | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it MUST NOT | 23:35 |
| chem|st | ? | 23:35 |
| juiceme | and the Maemo e.V. is currently the same thing, and will continue to be | 23:35 |
| juiceme | council == Maemo e.V. | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 23:36 |
| juiceme | for all paractial purposes | 23:36 |
| juiceme | sorry, I mean board | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely not | 23:37 |
| chem|st | juiceme: no maemo eV council == hifo council == community council | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a HiFo board of directors and a council, those are two segregate entities | 23:37 |
| juiceme | well, but just one council | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that council doesn't care about e.V. in foundation | 23:38 |
| chem|st | yes one council, and as soon as hifo disolves only one board which is not the same body at the moment anyways | 23:38 |
| Sicelo | as a bystander, to DocScrutinizer05, board != council, whereas it appears that board = council to the rest of you. so saying there is one council is true from both points of view. | 23:41 |
| Sicelo | :/ | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council exists above, beyond, before and probably after HiFo and it doesn't have any obligations wrt e.V. and for sure elections are not related to any e.V. in foundation since the rules for those elections are completely maemo defined | 23:41 |
| chem|st | Sicelo: board != council for all of us | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: board and council ever been two segregate entities | 23:42 |
| Sicelo | ok | 23:42 |
| chem|st | juiceme: please put in the announcement that the elected will also be the elected councilors for the eV in registration just to make sure Doc does not screw anyone over later on | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? aha! | 23:43 |
| chem|st | If we need a vote for that, I hereby request to align the bodies of councils of all Maemo entities once and for all. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems the only one to screw over somebody are you, and you are also the target of sucj screwing over | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you need such statement to define what your e.V. does, the ok, juiceme will note this in the announcement | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and please explain to me how council can vote on what e.V. does regarding council? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for any such vote you suggest, you need to have it inside e.V. - NOT inside council | 23:46 |
| chem|st | council can vote on what eV does regarding council? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see that | 23:47 |
| chem|st | the eV already defines "your" Council as its council in all bylaws... it is only you questioning any relation of maemo community council and maemo community eV's council... | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not questioning anything | 23:47 |
| chem|st | is there more than one council? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just saying that any e.V. on this globe has no saying in what council does | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so mentioning that there's a e.V. in registration is absolutely irrelevant to council elections | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you need that for e.V. internal purposes I don't know of | 23:49 |
| juiceme | I'l draw up the draft, and let's consider that after it. I try to write up something that is definitive enough. | 23:49 |
| chem|st | the announcement needs to be made, at least | 23:50 |
| juiceme | ya, I'll have to go now, but I will of course check the logs for the rest of the day's meeting when writing the minutes. | 23:50 |
| juiceme | bye | 23:50 |
| chem|st | bye | 23:51 |
| Sicelo | \o | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the e.V. bylaws that need to clearly state that whoever gets elected to maemo council is also e.V.'s council | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this can't get defined and agreed upon inside council nor on any announcement | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure maemo council elections will not adhere to arbitrary rules set up in e.V. bylaws, since there's only one council with only one clear set of very unambiguous rules about elections to obey | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those rules never did nor do they now mention HiFo or any successor of HiFo | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process | 23:58 |
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