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| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: can you ping qwazix please? | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he should know where and how to post those meeting minutes | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or chem|st | 15:35 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, thanks | 15:38 |
| qwazix | juiceme, DocScrutinizer05 I'm here | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: hi! :-9 | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) even | 16:33 |
| qwazix | hi | 16:35 |
| qwazix | btw status update on n900-bake is null as the flux I order never came, I have to order another one | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: consider Vapor Phase instead of oven | 16:41 |
| * qwazix googles vapor phase | 16:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/307715 https://shop.klingler.net/product-details.de.php?productid=10012&id=80010 | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.smta.org/chapters/files/Arizona-Sonora_IBL_SMTA_AZ_Expo_2012Dec4.pdf | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ibrtses.com/g/dampfphasenloeten.html | 16:47 |
| qwazix | wow thanks | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you don't need that fancy and dangerous prototype in that last link, just use a huge pot and your stove | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a glass lid is helpful | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, even better, a glass bowl filled with cold water | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the vapor can condense there and doesn't escape the pot | 16:49 |
| qwazix | hmm, I'' | 16:49 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, sorry for disappearing, technical difficulties | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 17:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 curses TLS, can't send mails | 17:03 | |
| qwazix | I'll check those documents out and see if I can manage it, thanks. I'll be on/off here @work atm | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basic idea: get a pot with a fluid that evaporates @ 230°C. will gently heat up your complete board to exactly that temperature, without any overheating, and damn fast | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | called Vapor Phase Soldering | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess that's pretty OT in this chan | 17:08 |
| qwazix | hmm, nice idea | 17:08 |
| qwazix | yeah | 17:08 |
| juiceme | hi again, Doc, qwazix | 18:58 |
| juiceme | was away on an IRL meeting for the last few hours... | 18:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | meeting minutes :) thanks juiceme | 19:31 |
| juiceme | well i kind of left it to the last minute :) | 19:38 |
| juiceme | BTW am now on theroad | 19:39 |
| juiceme | the IRL meeting I attended took longer than I anticipated so lets see if i get home before MCC | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you have another 40 minutes for that, it seems | 20:19 |
| juiceme | here I am, now :) | 20:52 |
| juiceme | with 10 minutes to spare, even... | 20:52 |
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| warfare | 'evening. | 20:56 |
| juiceme | welcome. | 20:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 20:58 |
| chem|st | o7 | 20:59 |
| Win7Mac | hi o/ | 21:00 |
| Win7Mac | happy new year! :) | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! | 21:01 |
| juiceme | oo, that too | 21:01 |
| Win7Mac | met warfare today and brought the 2 crates of beer to IPHH that _he_ promised them. So sorry Doc for that unfortunate mail, it was just my assumption it was you... No need to act so harsh though. | 21:01 |
| Win7Mac | Met some really nice guys there and had the chance to talk to the boss. We changed the billing adress to my home adress (until further notice). Regular invoice will come in march. | 21:01 |
| Win7Mac | Even had the chance to take a look on our server in its heavily secured and AC'ed server-room, very interesting, never saw this | 21:02 |
| warfare | :) | 21:02 |
| Win7Mac | in RL before | 21:02 |
| Win7Mac | HI! :) | 21:02 |
| juiceme | geepr0n :) | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great! | 21:02 |
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| Win7Mac | sure thing! | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any agenda for today? | 21:03 |
| juiceme | topic for contest ? | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: you're in council garage group and thus can post to blog etc? | 21:04 |
| juiceme | okay, did not try that yet. | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I failed to read the meeting minutes of last meeting, sorry. Was a busy day at my end | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually still is | 21:06 |
| juiceme | btw, the council mailing list is behaving badly towards our mailserver, community list is ok. | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I dunno what else might be on our agenda for today | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: please elaborate | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's "our mailserver"? | 21:07 |
| juiceme | well, as I had it explained by our admin; when i send stuff on the list, it echoes it back to the list members, me including | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seen warfare around, so we could have this sorted out on info level right away | 21:08 |
| chem|st | juiceme: that is cause it is no ML but a simple forwarder | 21:08 |
| juiceme | but when our server (swagman) sees my address coming from outside, it bounces | 21:08 |
| juiceme | exactly | 21:08 |
| warfare | oh my. | 21:08 |
| chem|st | nothing wrong with it... not getting the mail is actually feature | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a simple mail alias | 21:08 |
| juiceme | ya but it breaks rfc | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there any actual severe problem with this? | 21:10 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: nope | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I suggest we postpone this andf handle it not in meeting | 21:10 |
| chem|st | would be nice to have the incoming filtered to not forward to... | 21:10 |
| juiceme | true. just came to my mind, that's all | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please check garage group "maemo council" if you're already member! | 21:12 |
| chem|st | for the contest.. topic is quiet clear - native opensource sailfishOS aps | 21:12 |
| chem|st | what is unclear is how to fund, what to fund and if yes how much | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have yet another idea: fremantle porting hackaton/contest | 21:13 |
| juiceme | I was thinking of multiplatform SW contest, something that is useful on _ALL_ maemo derived platforms :) | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds pretty good but also quite fuzzy | 21:14 |
| juiceme | how much has usually been needed for prizes? | 21:15 |
| chem|st | given there is no contest yet, a name could be Premiere Jolla Regatta | 21:16 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we never needed to fund it our own | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then funding should be done by Jolla, obviously | 21:16 |
| Win7Mac | doesn't hurt to ask them, but they could do it themselves if they wanted... | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I might ponder funding the porting fremantle hackaton from neo900.org funds with a number of beagleboards and maybe one or two vouchers for complete Neo900 | 21:18 |
| juiceme | chem|st, yes, I was just thinkin for an estimate if we need to try to raise funds... of course donated devices would be best. | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one, max | 21:18 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05,that would be wonderful :D | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: companies usually don't manage such contests themselves | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are busy dong "real work2 ;-P | 21:20 |
| juiceme | of course it does not hurt to ask Jolla but then the topic would need to be jollaspecific | 21:20 |
| Win7Mac | just wanted to point out the possibility they might say no. and then? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: not necessarily | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: well, then we have no funding | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think you first should find a way how you can fund such an event, only then start to announce it | 21:22 |
| Win7Mac | sure | 21:22 |
| juiceme | yes, thats the most useful way | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're already doing Jolla's job here, in their best interest better than they ever could by themselves | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | providing a few devices for prizes is the least they could do | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they should be used to that from their Nokia times | 21:23 |
| Win7Mac | again, sure, but _i think_ they want to promote their own sites and services | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then that's their own fault | 21:24 |
| Win7Mac | just an assumption though | 21:24 |
| Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05, donate your Jolla and you get a refund from HiFo. how much? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly when you plan to organize a hotdog eating contest and you approach the most famous sausage manuf asking them for free sausages for the hotdogs, and they tell you "F* off we are not interested" - will you go "duh, then we find the same brand of sausage from some supermarket or elsewhere"? | 21:26 |
| chem|st | no I find another manufacturer | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: you can't do that and I can't do that either | 21:27 |
| juiceme | :) | 21:27 |
| chem|st | but that does not work in our case | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: exactly, but how many sausage manufacturers would kick you out the door when you ask them for a few sausages for a contest that brings them massive publicity? | 21:28 |
| juiceme | that would really depend if they are really broke. | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in our case not only publicity but even *APPS* | 21:29 |
| chem|st | none.... I will talk to carsten and others about our options with them | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good, thanks! | 21:29 |
| chem|st | other thing is meeting hours | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and "Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers " | 21:30 |
| juiceme | that't a bit too clowny stuff to tout here :) | 21:31 |
| chem|st | how about tuesday 1900? | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, thanks, I planned to bring it up already | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine with me | 21:32 |
| juiceme | should be ok... 20:00 even bbetter | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine with me either | 21:33 |
| chem|st | 20is ok with me | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so 20 it is | 21:35 |
| juiceme | splendid! | 21:35 |
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| Win7Mac | how about: Council meetings every Tuesday 20:00UTC | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any news from HiFo? | 21:38 |
| Win7Mac | well, Woody answered Teos' last mail and he responded positively | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | geat! will we finally get the nasty stuff sorted? like DNS/domain ownership etc | 21:39 |
| Win7Mac | agreement can soon be signed it, it ssems. for maemo name + domain rights, but no firmwares or flashing tools allowed | 21:39 |
| juiceme | are there any roadblocks? or is it just that people do not know how to do it? | 21:40 |
| Win7Mac | woody is in the know | 21:40 |
| juiceme | ah OK | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, firmware and flashing tools are in the piratebay already | 21:40 |
| Win7Mac | hehe | 21:40 |
| juiceme | sources would be paramount | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their own fault, that happens when no official legit source | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody told them | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but probbaly that's not even their headache | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they actually are fine with it, that way | 21:42 |
| Win7Mac | remaing issues for HiFo: paypal, adress and... well, e.V... but I won't do it alone! | 21:42 |
| juiceme | yes, the paypal account... it's logng time since i tried to donate, and it bounced | 21:43 |
| juiceme | that was due the account ownership or something? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PP not confirmed by backing bank account | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or somesuch | 21:44 |
| juiceme | but there was some related issue? | 21:44 |
| juiceme | cos it bounced | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's frozen then | 21:44 |
| Win7Mac | right | 21:44 |
| juiceme | has that been fixed? | 21:44 |
| Win7Mac | not yet. Woodys' topic, he knows | 21:45 |
| juiceme | ok | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody is pretty busy it seems | 21:45 |
| Win7Mac | right | 21:45 |
| Win7Mac | I wish I could do anything | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which probably is a good thing since I guess he likes his job | 21:45 |
| juiceme | lucky bastard :) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, don't worry too much, donations came to a grinding halt several months ago | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (like job) who wouldn't like working with airplane tech geeky stuff? | 21:47 |
| juiceme | i guess there'd be donations if there was a way to do it easy... | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, ~2 to 3 come on my PP acct per month, a total of 20..30EUR | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reduces my own contribution to about the same, to pay for those inofficial infra | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fixed amout are ~60 bucks per month iirc | 21:48 |
| juiceme | ah yes i had forgotten about that, that it's possible to donate thru you? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some donations are explicitly "for techstaff", I abuse them for paying servers | 21:49 |
| juiceme | i guess people do not remember that | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's writtin in same location where donations got first asked for | 21:50 |
| juiceme | hmmm.. then it's only me that has frgotten it :( | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need money, we need manpower | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or so incredibly much money that we can buy manpower | 21:52 |
| juiceme | well money does not hurt, it can be used for contest prizes if there's leftover after infra costs | 21:53 |
| Win7Mac | that is indeed the case | 21:53 |
| juiceme | if there was loads of the stuff, say. | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now I can't even get half-payment for that 16h/day 24/7 ob I do with neo900 and maemo | 21:53 |
| juiceme | lots of hours there :( | 21:54 |
| Win7Mac | Doc, you're talking about skeiron, right? - can't we place that in the server at IPHH? - lots of HDD-slots still available there | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and stuff pending I need to get done today, so if there's nothing else.... | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: skeiron? what is skeiron? never heard of that | 21:56 |
| juiceme | cloud7... thought you were also with that | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clud7 is my box, right | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cloud even | 21:57 |
| juiceme | ya | 21:57 |
| chem|st | juiceme: skeiron is another privat party... | 21:58 |
| Win7Mac | anyway, is this private or something HiFo should take of? | 21:58 |
| Win7Mac | *take care of | 21:58 |
| chem|st | and stays private | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: aren't you HiFo too? | 21:58 |
| chem|st | hifo MUST not take care of | 21:59 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: yep | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please sort your stuff internally! | 21:59 |
| juiceme | right. | 21:59 |
| chem|st | sure | 21:59 |
| juiceme | aob or should we close? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 22:00 |
| chem|st | o/ | 22:00 |
| juiceme | ya | 22:00 |
| juiceme | next week, then. | 22:00 |
| chem|st | juiceme: let me know about trouble with posting minutes | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bye | 22:00 |
| juiceme | chem|st, Ill try it ans ask you if it doesnt work. | 22:01 |
| juiceme | bye | 22:01 |
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