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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for the karma update, does it mean that tokensystem is up to speed now or is this another construction side? | 10:48 |
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| chem|st | site | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tokensystem aka voting engine shall work now | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however I don't dare to touch it without guidance from woody | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need to build new electorate database and that's spiced with lots of warnings and command options that sound brutal and with no way to rollback any mistake user may make | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway we don't need that right now, since (I heard) we got no - or too few - candidates for running a council election | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think nomination period extension needs to get announced | 11:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: due to a stress induced defect related to maemo elections, I saty away from managing and overseeing that process this time | 11:13 |
| chem|st | will do, it is one week to add, right? so Nov 4th | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot, wasn't it 4 weeks? | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be written in the rules wikipage | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process maybe | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 11:If there are fewer than 4 candidates when the nominations close, the election cannot be held. | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1:The nomination period will be extended by 1 month and the election postponed similarly. | 11:16 |
| chem|st | yeah it is four weeks... but then we have another week nominations open now... | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't follow / track the dates/deadlines of this election | 11:18 |
| chem|st | we have another week | 11:18 |
| chem|st | The last election finished 8th of May 2013 so the election should begin on the 4th of November. Elections duration is one week, until the 10th of November. Nominations should open 2 weeks before that, thus on the 21th of the current month. | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | relevant data root: mail to community-ML / council blog | 11:19 |
| chem|st | yeah that is council blogpost | 11:19 |
| chem|st | I will announce extension next week if need be. | 11:20 |
| chem|st | Woody14619: sending out tokens takes how long? couple of hours? | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think of 2 days | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus checks and fixing of problems | 11:26 |
| chem|st | ouch ( I thought of +20h but not +40h) | 11:26 |
| chem|st | does postponing work properly? (eg changing dates of elections) | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you try to do that after the date expired | 11:28 |
| chem|st | ok | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only hard date is opening and closing of voting page | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sending out tokens needs to get triggered manually | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but only after electorate db been updated, checked, fixed, since every later massive changes to electorate invalidate the whole election and all tokens that already might have been sent | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | adding single users to electorate and sending out token to them is possible via manual process on voting admin pages | 11:31 |
| chem|st | so updating the db the latest possible? or does that run automagically with karma? | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's the process I boggle from | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer Woody14619 to do that | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since the interface is crude and obscure | 11:32 |
| chem|st | ok | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | setting up the election however (dates only) is easy and can get done any time | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it will show up incl schedule in maemo.org/vote | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619 said he likes the idea of setting up another TEST election for users (and council) to practice | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | similar to http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=34 | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB that afaik all elections using ONE centralized global electorate table | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but local token tables | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or sth like that, I already mentioned it's obscure | 11:36 |
| chem|st | yes you mentioned that | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the steps aiui it (chronological sequence): set up election, dates only. Update electorate table from midgard user-table&user-karma-based-condition. Update election with new dates. Update election with candidates. Create token table and send out mails 3 days before voting starts. sit back and watch | 11:40 |
| chem|st | so this needs to be done within the next couple of days :/ | 11:41 |
| chem|st | I will be later on, can you discuss the when and what with Woody14619 when he is awake please and I'll catch up later. | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will try to... busy today, other stuff scheduled for today | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see any pressure yet, since we go into nomination extension anyway, no? | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if we don't, wasn't there a 7 days contemplation period between end of nomination period and start of voting? | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all we need to do in a timely manner is to push announcements, for now | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (see disclaimer above, I don't have the overview over the timelines and current state) | 12:11 |
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| chem|st | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process has no contemplation period | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:50 |
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| Woody14619 | Hi. :) Yes, Maemo election rules don't show contempation period, but HFC does. The rules on the wiki were not updated after the resolution to merge the two rule sets. It's a minor detail, but it's in there. | 18:19 |
| Woody14619 | FWIW: I can setup an election with minimal effort, and am happy to do so. As noted, the only thing time critical is the start of the election. Tokens take about 2 days to mail out, but that's adjustable. It's all automated, so just a matter of figuring out what rate we want. 2 days was a good "don't get flagged as spam" to "get it done" ratio. | 18:21 |
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| chem|st | So I need to announce an extension?! | 18:28 |
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| qwazix | chem|st, the original announcement didn't say anything about contemplation period, according to wiki, so maybe we should wait another week? Maybe a candidate or two will show up | 18:42 |
| Woody14619 | I doubt the next week fill find us 4 candidates. Reguardless I'll start the process of getting things ready. Worst case tokens will be going out just before the election. Less than desirable, but wouldn't be the first time that's happened... | 18:59 |
| qwazix | Woody14619, we already have two IIRC, so two more needed at minimum (if I'm not forgetting anybody) | 19:02 |
| * gregoa doesn't remember any mails from candidates on the maemo mailing lists | 19:24 | |
| Woody14619 | We do? I haven't seen any. I've seen one person offer it on TMO, but nothing on the MLs (as gregoa has noted). | 19:25 |
| qwazix | tmo... I hope they didn't change their minds | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how to organize things without contemplation period. Seems like things have to get done in zero time then | 19:30 |
| qwazix | contemplation period is customary the latest years, so we can get things moving if there isn't any action soon~ish | 19:32 |
| qwazix | and announce correctly this time | 19:32 |
| chem|st | qwazix: so hold and wait for monday? | 19:55 |
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| qwazix | chem|st, I'd say extend on meeting day (1/11) if noone shows up | 20:50 |
| qwazix | any later and we risk missing the election timeframe | 20:50 |
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