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| qwazix | no meeting today? | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: dang, I forgot | 21:57 |
| qwazix | :) | 21:57 |
| qwazix | seems everybody else did too | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, karma fixed | 21:58 |
| qwazix | \o/ | 21:59 |
| qwazix | though little good it will do without candidates | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...and updated | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure | 21:59 |
| qwazix | and these overcrowded meetings don't help either :P | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:00 |
| qwazix | Neo900 moving along? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our chair continuously refuses to take any action about election whatsoever | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, neo900 moving along just fine | 22:02 |
| qwazix | nice to hear | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | monday we start donation/fundraiser | 22:02 |
| qwazix | random thought: porting hildon to GTK3 shouldn't be too hard as most of the deprecated features in GTK2 were already out in GTK-maemo | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 22:03 |
| qwazix | though gnome-shell is so maemo-ish that maybe is a good enough replacement for hildon | 22:04 |
| * sixwheeledbeast is floating in and out due to being on the phone.... busy on call due to nearby lightening strike, hey all :) | 22:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey sixwheeledbeast | 22:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if you're available for another term of council | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time goes by, incredible | 22:19 |
| Woody14619 | o/ Last plane this week is done. :) | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WOW! hi Woody14619 | 22:19 |
| Woody14619 | I'm a little confused on how Midguard knows when to update karma, but... It does in fact appear that the flood of re-update is done. | 22:21 |
| Woody14619 | I susspect that's going to cause periodic re-floods every couple weeks unless we turn down the #/hour again though. | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 22:22 |
| Woody14619 | I'm guessing part of it's guess is time-based, esp for plugins. (Since it has no way of knowing if someone's done posts on tmo.) So eventually it will timeout on the tmo parts and start another mass-update. | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it checks 1000 users every hour (unless it misses a session), and when the calculated karma is differnet to the karma stored in db, then it updates the karma. it then unconditionally updates the user's base record for "last karma update date" | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no guessing | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the UPD events listed in syslog are the updates of karma, not the updates of user's base record | 22:25 |
| Woody14619 | K, so it's doing lots of checks then.. Probably best to turn down the #/hour still, just to lower load on all systems (tmo and mo as well), now that we have pretty good numbers in place. Nice way to know it's mainly done though. :) | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's another rare event: NEW, which means the user has _no_ db karma record yet | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems with 1000/h it took ~4..5 days to complete one turn | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reducing from 1000/h to the original value of 600/h will shorten the activity period per hour from ~45min to ~30min | 22:28 |
| Woody14619 | And reduce load a bit on all systems involved. At the cost of upping refresh to about a week. Seems a reasonable trade-off. | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, the *average* load gets reduced | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that doesn't matter too much | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got issues with peak load, not with average load | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually we got no issues with load at all | 22:30 |
| Woody14619 | Yeah, but less time updating = smaller chance of hitting a window against another thing running, causig peek load. :) 45 mins/ hour = 75% chance it's causing load when something else wants to as well. 30 mins makes that 50%. ;) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what however gets better when reducing number of users processed per session, is this one: http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1382729561&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo | 22:33 |
| Woody14619 | And really... how often do we need to update karma? We use it once every 6 months. :P | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the sawtooth will abort sooner | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but sure, karma is vastly irrelevant in daily business | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (and I'm not exactly sure that what we see on that ganglia page is caused by karma calculation at all) | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm going to reduce 1000->100, to test | 22:37 |
| Woody14619 | Well, considering how it's slowed since karma finished it mass-update, it's clearly linked. :) May not by 100% of it, but even if its 30% of that spike, good to lower it where we can. | 22:38 |
| Woody14619 | Shame we can say like 100 every 15 minutes. :P Spread it out more evenly. But at least now we're pretty close to "fixed" there. | 22:40 |
| Woody14619 | Now just need candidates and we can hold an election. :P | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still waiting for an answer from sixwheeledbeast ;-) | 22:40 |
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| Woody14619 | So.. Neo900... Any chance of sneaking NFC hardware on there? ;) | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, some WLAN modules come with NFC | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what NFC solution GTA04 is using, but it always been an option for Neo900 | 22:50 |
| Woody14619 | Would love that actually. :P It's the only part the N900 really is lacking in. Sure HDMI out would be nice, but PAL/NTSC is fine. Always work arounds with other things. But NFC you either have or you don't. :P | 22:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: answer? | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-25 21:17:09] <sixwheeledbeast> o/ | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-25 21:17:42] <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if you're available for another term of council | 22:53 |
| Woody14619 | sixwheeledbeast, about you running again... :) | 22:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh | 22:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got a few days to ponder | 22:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well lack of votes last time didn't give me much confidence, also I need to consider how much "maemo time" I have. It's getting less and less. | 22:56 |
| * sixwheeledbeast ponders | 22:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems that council duties are also diminishing | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some council members get away with wasting absolutely zero time on it, it seems | 22:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just would like to see their faces when they suddenly realize that without council the maybe more funny stuff they are doing around maemo also vanishes eventually | 22:59 | |
| qwazix | true that... | 22:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It would be helpful to have a member of the previous council in the new one IMO. | 23:00 |
| Woody14619 | almost always is... | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | any candidates at all? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still undecided | 23:04 |
| Woody14619 | Niel_dk posted in tmo... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1382099&postcount=3 | 23:05 |
| * chainsawbike might run - but i will almost never be avalible for meeting at this time :( | 23:05 | |
| Woody14619 | But technically one needs to e-mail the ML to get this done. :P | 23:05 |
| Woody14619 | Meeting times are changable... Hell, 3 councils ago there were NO set meeting times, for almost a full year before my first term. | 23:06 |
| Woody14619 | My main running slogan was that I would push for weekly meetings, in public, and publish the minutes, so people could see what was actually happening in Council. | 23:06 |
| Woody14619 | Which I did... And subsequently got bitched at for exposing the community to Coucil's "dirty laundry". :P | 23:07 |
| Woody14619 | This is also why I have 183 karma in "Blogs". Doing blog-updates for weekly council meetings for nearly two terms. | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chainsawbike: we can move meeting time easily to any time that best meets needs of the council body | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: don't worry, every good deed gets its punishment | 23:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I also can have issues with meeting times, but that wouldn't put me off as Doc points out. | 23:16 |
| Woody14619 | :) | 23:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well not time more day TBH | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine, friday sucks big time ;-) | 23:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It just makes your weekend... not | 23:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sitting in front of this brainmixer machine while everybody who still has a brain is out for weekend | 23:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | minimum requirement for councillors is...? | 23:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | number of that is | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of which 3 get elected | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one loser ;-P - or winner, depending on your POV | 23:30 |
| qwazix | might be back, might not, if the latter have a good night | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the records: <timeless> um, the box had its ip changed <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ <timeless> the host name above is the right ip address | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ bbl++ | 23:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yep 4 I thought so. | 23:42 |
| Woody14619 | o/ k, am off.. have a good weekend all. | 23:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 23:48 |
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