IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Saturday, 2013-06-29

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qwazixhi all!19:00
DocScrutinizer05hi qwazix19:00
qwazixhi DocScrutinizer05! all good?19:01
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DocScrutinizer05short on proper coffee and failed to go shopping (yet), so will leave in max 45min19:02
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: merlin1991: thedead1440: you here?19:03
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: ping19:04
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: Woody14619: GeneralAntilles: chem|st: congrats!19:04
Win7MacThanks. And congrts to the others too!19:05
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GeneralAntillesSlightly distracted by managing the peripheral insanity from the pride parade passing by out front at work.19:07
GeneralAntillesand the pouring rain.19:07
DocScrutinizer05actually we (council) just want to welcome you all, while your games of NOT-IT etc probably happen next ...(?) Sunday?19:08
qwazixwelcome from me too!19:08
qwazixWin7Mac: who's gonna be chair?19:09
Win7MacThanks! Boy am I pride ;)19:09
qwazix$nick: not me :)19:09
Win7Macchair? - Woody19:09
DocScrutinizer05makes sense19:09
Win7Macor probably General Antilles19:10
Win7MacAny news on next BoD meeting?19:10
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-29 17:58:39] * GeneralAntilles considers getting the jump on forcing somebody else to be chair.  [2013-06-29 18:03:34] <GeneralAntilles> NOT IT!19:10 when19:10
DocScrutinizer05I seem to have heard sth about 2.19:11
DocScrutinizer05that's sunday then19:11
DocScrutinizer05err hardly19:11
Win7Macmee too, but is confirmed by Rob?19:11
qwazixas in 2013-07-02?19:11
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: :nod:19:12
Win7Macsorry, just came home some minutes ago, didn't follow #maemo19:12
DocScrutinizer05Rob confirmed he'll do some necessary tasks for handing over stuff before 07-0419:12
GeneralAntilles07-02 at 1400 UTC was last I heard.19:13
DocScrutinizer05ok guys. please everybody mail me a email with topic "BoD mail alias"19:13
Win7Maclets hope Rob shows up. concert-oh again?19:14
DocScrutinizer05no further text needed, unless the mail account is not the one you want to use for board@maemo.org19:14
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: ping19:15
DocScrutinizer05hi chem|st :-919:15
DocScrutinizer05our V-Man19:15
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chem|ststill cooking,19:15
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* DocScrutinizer05 curses shiftkey19:16
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, your email isn't in my phone addressbook.19:16
DocScrutinizer05joerg at openmoko org19:16
DocScrutinizer05or send it to techstaff at m o19:16
DocScrutinizer05even better19:16
GeneralAntillesSent to techstaff.19:17
DocScrutinizer05next: do you all want a /maemo/community/board/<nick> cloak?19:17
Win7Macmail sent to you, joerg19:18
Win7MacI want an IRC cloak19:18
qwazixI'm out for five min.19:19
Win7Macneed to read the wiki I guess19:19
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, sorry ;-P please send another mail to techstaff, subject "cloak", body with your main freenode nickserv registered account name19:19
chem|stdid I hear that right? Woody14619 is becoming chair and GeneralAntilles is becoming secretary?19:20
DocScrutinizer05this also applies to (ex-)council-members: please all who want a cloak send a mail to techstaff19:20
GeneralAntillesHearing impairement.19:20
DocScrutinizer05err Woody14619 *is* chair19:21
* DocScrutinizer05 heads out searching for the rubber dinghy19:22
* chem|st eats now, watching you guys pumping the dinghy19:24
DocScrutinizer05I'm planning to ask X-Fade to give maemo GroupContact (a freenode administrative status/title) to me and maybe warfare. OR would anybody have objections and rather see GC granted to somebody else?19:26
qwazixno objections here19:26
Win7Macno idea what that is19:27
DocScrutinizer05GC is needed for e.g. granting maemo cloaks19:27
DocScrutinizer05for now only x-fade can do that19:28
Win7Macwell then go ahead19:28
Win7Macno objections here too19:28
GeneralAntillesGC sounds fine to me.19:28
DocScrutinizer05ooh? fine then I will ask X-Fade to give GC to GeneralAntilles and me ;-D19:29
DocScrutinizer05I don't think warfare is eager for GC anyway19:29
chem|stsome 2 from techstaff should have it19:29
DocScrutinizer05and actually I think GeneralAntilles is the perfect candidate for GC19:30
chem|stpreferably two who want it^^19:30
GeneralAntillesNOT IT!19:30
DocScrutinizer05I thought one from BoD would be perfect, additionally to techstaff19:30
GeneralAntillesI can do it if need be, though.19:30
DocScrutinizer05it's an asset19:31
DocScrutinizer05GC is *utterly* low workload and responsibility19:31
DocScrutinizer05evidence: x-fade hardly available and we're still alive ;-D19:32
DocScrutinizer05fine, I'm done with what I had on my plate19:32
DocScrutinizer05(literally :-D)19:32
Win7MacAs you all (should) khow, I'm not too much into such IT things, so I pass on this. But I might volunteer as treasurer or such stuff19:33
DocScrutinizer05that sounds extremely good19:33
Win7Macand........ banner-admin! ;-)19:35
chem|stso I am banning-admin then?19:35
qwazixWin7Mac, ok but please no more flashing banners19:35
* qwazix begs19:35
Win7MacDoc, you want a "maintainers wanted"-banner?19:35
chem|stkeep the banners low19:35
Win7Macit's just an offer19:36
Win7MacBTW, joerg and chemist agreed to make some BIG noise for the BoD-elects and so I made it flashing. Originally not my idea...19:38
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah, the banner. Needs to get removed19:38
Win7Mac...on TMO and m.o19:39
qwazixWin7Mac, I understood and that's why I didn't say anything until now19:40
Win7Macinstead of blinking I can make a transition instead19:41
DocScrutinizer05please ask merlin1991 to remove resp please COMMENT OUT the banner code in html19:41
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I guess you already removed whatever banner on tmo I'm not getting with classic-light theme19:42
chem|styeah it is only in the theme19:42
DocScrutinizer05ok, I'm leaving for shopping19:46
DocScrutinizer05might have another look into this chan a 45min from now19:46
Win7Macno other topics for council today?19:47
chem|stonly cloaks?19:47
DocScrutinizer05aaah wait19:47
DocScrutinizer05there's been sth with infra hw19:47
DocScrutinizer05but I forgot19:47
Win7Mac3rd blade?19:48
DocScrutinizer05sth like that19:48
DocScrutinizer05but that's not urgent since warfare not available anyway for the next week19:48
DocScrutinizer05a pity that jaffa didn't make it to here, wonder how he'll manage the 1400utc on tuesday19:49
thedead1440Hi sorry for being late19:50
Win7Machi thedead!19:50
DocScrutinizer05and o/19:50
Win7Macnew BoD is *supposed* to be present on that weeting?19:51
Win7Mac- I probably won't make it too because of work19:51
DocScrutinizer05GUYS! you need to meet to bekome official BoD19:52
thedead1440congrats to the new BoD from me too19:52
DocScrutinizer05become even19:52
DocScrutinizer05no meeting, no new BoD19:53
chem|stsure but 1400UTC...19:54
Win7Macdo we have to be present receive the job? actual BoD can declare the new members to be in effect, no?19:54
DocScrutinizer05if Tue 1400utc isn't ok for you then pretty please find a better time of day or even better day, though not too long into future since aiui 07-04 is holiday in USA and after that many people have their own extended summer holiday19:55
Win7Mac...present *to receive...19:55
DocScrutinizer05no, handing over has to happen in a full meeting afaik19:56
DocScrutinizer05and you want to meet and talk about a lot of organizational stuff anyway19:56
qwazixI too believe it is important that the first meeting should be in quorum19:57
DocScrutinizer05at very least you need to state that you accept the appointment, in such meeting19:58
DocScrutinizer05indeed when you can't join initial meeting, then which meeting would you want to join at all?19:58
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't want to see Rob's example as your guidance19:59
DocScrutinizer05so pretty please talk to each other and try to negotiate a meeting date where all of you can drop by and say "OK, I accept this duty"20:00
Win7Macis there a #maemo-board channel?20:02
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: Woody14619: you are in the loop of this meeting date mail thread, please CC the other new guys20:02
DocScrutinizer05now there is ;-D20:02
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Win7Macno dedicated BoD-channel on freenode?20:04
qwazixbye DocScrutinizer0520:04
DocScrutinizer05now there is ;-D20:05
qwazixWin7Mac, /join #maemo-board20:05
thedead1440see ya Doc20:07
thedead1440so meeting end?20:08
Win7Macnot really20:10
Win7Macin right hand menu on tmo, mouse-over the community button and try to click contacts or member list!20:11
Win7Machint: try different speeds ;-)20:11
qwazix"Add a Member to Your List..."20:11
qwazixbut I know what you mean20:12
Win7Macmouse-over for quick links works fine though20:12
Win7Macchemist, think you're in charge, if you could look into it please?20:13
qwazix line 21520:14
qwazixadd margin-top: -5px !important;20:14
Win7Macqwazix, thanks!20:16
qwazixWin7Mac, there are more css fixes that could be considered, for example PM's are not visible on N90020:17
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Win7Macdon't look at me please, I'm not into html at all20:17
qwazixwhich could be kludged by setting a min-width on body of 1024px, or be investigated to be correctly fixed20:18
Win7MacI could serve a video about it though ;-)20:18
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qwazixI saw that setting max-width:300px on the td above <!-- main page contents --> fixes the PM issue, but this is nonsensical to do...20:23
qwazixI mean it probably does it because of nested table weirdness20:23
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Win7Macwhat about making #maemo-board PW protected?20:33
Win7Macin order to have internal discussions20:33
Win7Macnot meant for public until something will be published20:33
Win7MacI'm also open for changing BoD meeting requirements to accept IRC20:38
Win7Macto give more flexibility20:39
qwazix+1 for IRC20:40
Win7Macoh, and council, OFC, is very welcome to that channel if PW'ed!20:41
GeneralAntillesNFP legal requirements play a role there.20:48
Win7Macright, hmm... at least council has insight20:50
Win7Macif that'd be enough?20:50
Win7MacI mean how did this work out until now?20:51
Win7Macemail only?20:51
Win7Macthere might be a public channel for weekly/monthly/whatever meetings like this one?20:52
GeneralAntillesI think IRC for monthly meetings20:58
GeneralAntillesthen if we need a conference call for voting, do that 10-15 minutes.20:58
Win7Macfine with me21:06
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* DocScrutinizer05 shouts at GeneralAntilles for sending ghtml-only mail21:15
qwazixblackberry 10 ftw21:16
DocScrutinizer05bin dat crap!21:19
DocScrutinizer05just 2 day ago, when I felt bored, I pondered about my mail client filters. You're lucky that 5 min later some other disaster happened that attracted my full attention, otherwise that html-mail would've already been rejected as SPAM and returned to sender21:22
DocScrutinizer05with a friendly link to www.asciiribbon.org21:24
DocScrutinizer05gone down21:25
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, yeah, wish there was a setting.21:25
DocScrutinizer05I'm feeling really depressed now21:25
DocScrutinizer05see what you did! ;'(21:25
GeneralAntillesHey, new board!21:28
GeneralAntillesNothing to be depressed about there. :P21:28
DocScrutinizer05do you know that I changed my signature just 4 weeks ago?21:32
DocScrutinizer05now I already need to change it again21:32
DocScrutinizer05mail signature that is21:32
DocScrutinizer05all because of friggin blackberry21:32
Win7MacDocS, I remember one meeting where you said "I vote like xxx does" - would this be possible for board meeting?21:35
Win7MacI mean the offial ones21:35
Win7Maceven do that prior to meeting, if I'm sure i won't make it in time21:36
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: I dunno21:38
DocScrutinizer05afaik board can delegate *everything* to whomever board likes to do, but *only* in a meeting21:39
DocScrutinizer05so you can say "I delegate my voting right to XY" as long as you do that in a meeting, aiui21:40
DocScrutinizer05this probably applies to everything except core organizational issues that need unanimous decision of full board21:41
DocScrutinizer05for the rest it doesn't matter anyway, since simple majority is sufficient for all other decisions BoD does21:41
DocScrutinizer05and aiui BoD isn't even required to have one of those official meetings with nonsensical audio channel and all for any of those "normal" decisions21:43
Win7Macgood, so I won't be screwed if I don't make it next tuesday?21:44
DocScrutinizer05just delegate it to XY and XY can ask for an informal "vote" on what to do about a particular case of the general topic "paying stuff from funds" he got delegated to21:44
DocScrutinizer05next tuesday is no set date, since none of the new members had a word in in yet21:45
DocScrutinizer05please negotioate a date that all of you can attend, and please do it soon!21:45
Win7Maci started that in relevant channel, can you invite the ones absent?21:46
DocScrutinizer05whether or not Woody wants to have that date with Rob next Tue, is solely up to him21:46
DocScrutinizer05I could, if they were around21:46
DocScrutinizer05I think it's up to you to do so21:46
DocScrutinizer05after all it's your channel21:47
Win7Macwell, woody suggested that date21:47
Win7MacMINE... all mine... ;-)21:47
DocScrutinizer05yes, and afaik there's not even a confirmation for that date by Rob21:47
DocScrutinizer05I just mentioned Tue since it's the only semi-fixed date I heard of21:48
DocScrutinizer05for the new members it's not mandatory21:48
DocScrutinizer05au contraire21:49
Win7Macyou have all the emails and as channel-admin you might have it done in handstrike already21:49
Win7Mac"not mandatory" - you said otherwise earlier...21:50
DocScrutinizer05you could agree on a new date and suggest that to woody (well actually you should include Woody14619 to the negotioations for that date since he's also a "new" member), and then you request that date from the current outgoing council21:50
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: I said A meeting is mandatory. I *did not* say Tuesday is THE meeting that's madatory21:51
DocScrutinizer05and channel-admin is GeneralAntilles21:51
Win7Macslight, but important difference ;)21:52
Win7Macoh, mon General... ;)21:52
DocScrutinizer05I also said that there were sound rationale why said meeting should happen before 2013-07-0421:52
Win7Macyeah, remember...21:53
Win7MacWoody14619: urgent ping21:55
DocScrutinizer05I could SMS him21:58
Win7Mache's busy I guess, he knows it's meeting time21:59
Win7Macalso, please note I basically choose to self-nominate last minute in order to have a 5 peeps board to make decissions easier (even if 1 or 2 are missing, me included)!22:02
DocScrutinizer05fine, only that doesn't apply to inaugural meeting22:04
Win7Macseems a bad habit to me as well...22:05
DocScrutinizer05honestly, no 20h elected and already excuses? ;-P22:05
Win7MacI'll do my best, promise!22:05
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ZogG_laptopcongrats to all elected23:07
ZogG_laptopWoody14619: sup23:07
ZogG_laptopand you chem|st23:07
ZogG_laptopand all i already said before and rest23:08
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Woody14619ahello. :P sorry for lateness. N900 died a few days ago & ate several reminders & cal appts with it.23:14
Win7MacYay, Hi Woody14619!23:15
qwazixhi Woody1461923:18
Woody14619areading og now.23:19
Win7MacWoody14619, we have a new channel, please check your emails, topic "HiFo-meeting"23:23
Woody14619ajust finished log & off to checkins mail...23:23
ZogG_laptopnew channel?23:24
Woody14619aam on  my backup n900,  which has suddend duty to be primary, in 2G area, so... slow going.23:24
ZogG_laptopis it public?23:24
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Woody14619ahmmm... I see no mail on the primary. will have to check other mailboxes.23:26
Win7Macaccording to my idea, #maemo-board is meant for internal discussion. public meetings will be held here on a regular basis just like fridays' council meetings, probably even together. We'll sort it out, it all just started...23:27
Woody14619abtw: thanks to Docscrutinizer05 for the SMS... was helpful in reminding me. :P23:28
ZogG_laptopso it's not transperent anymore23:28
ZogG_laptopand discussions would be closed?23:28
DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: BS23:30
DocScrutinizer05HiFo BoD will be more public and open than ever before23:30
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure we need the private channel23:30
Win7MacZogG_laptop, look, #maemo-meeting is to present & to vote. I like to adopt that principal23:31
GeneralAntillesNDA or sensitive stuff can be handled via email.23:31
DocScrutinizer05but you don't want to participate on guys discussing their lunch with mother in law forbidding a particular public meeting date23:31
DocScrutinizer05and it's mad useful to have a channel where you can discuss what's NDA and what's not23:33
Win7Macafter all, it was just an idea. if it doesn't fit, well then I'll dump it.23:33
Woody14619ai would plan (at best) to use such a channel for side-comments relting to NDA or such.  all meeting should be as public as possible.  you'll hear my voice loudly if they are not. =)23:33
DocScrutinizer05100% ACK23:33
DocScrutinizer05but you didn't discuss your surgery in public channel either23:34
Win7Maccouncil has acces though23:35
GeneralAntillesEmail may be a simpler way to do it.23:35
DocScrutinizer05take it as a given, there _are_ private things that are not relevant or even interesting to the public23:35
GeneralAntillesMy main worries are: transparency, adding channels to people's loads, and the need to pay attention to another communication channel.23:36
Woody14619asooo... any idea where this email discussion is going on?23:37
DocScrutinizer05and particularly BoD actually seems to have some NDA or restricted or company confidential stuff to discuss that not even council has details about yet23:38
Win7Macconfidential stuff like I need your bank account and such23:38
DocScrutinizer05that too23:38
Woody14619aalso: general n900  problem: i keep getting "Redirection loop" on my n900 browser... even a single redcirect triggers it, which means simple things like google & yahoo mail don't load properly...23:39
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a friggin proxy in your carrier23:39
Woody14619ahappens on wifi too though...23:40
DocScrutinizer05check etc/hosts23:40
Woody14619adefinitely n900 issue.23:40
Win7Macwhat's NDA please?23:41
DocScrutinizer05also make sure etc/resolv.conf points to local host23:41
Woody14619anope. hosts is pretty much empty23:41
DocScrutinizer05non disclosure agreement23:41
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: up to you guys23:43
Win7Macyeah, that's what I'm talking about. Woody, your take on it?23:43
DocScrutinizer05if you can't handle your own chat channel, do it by mail23:43
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather do stuff by irc than by mail23:43
Woody14619ayup... resolve is good. :P  my issue right now is can't hit yahoo mail to check there. :P23:44
Woody14619abut got no mail to my main site.23:44
DocScrutinizer05nah, Win7Mac sent it to some weird woody-groups23:44
* Win7Mac rather does stuff by irc than by mail too23:44
DocScrutinizer05see? ;-P23:45
Win7Macwoody-groups to bearmetalcoder23:45
DocScrutinizer05email is a PITA XP23:45
Win7Macyeah, no real discussion with 5 peeps23:46
DocScrutinizer05there's not anything relevant in it I hadn't already sent per SMS, Woody14619a23:46
Woody14619aahh... the groups mail is for mailing lists... doesn't hit the main box, sits in queue till I'm on PC.23:47
ZogG_laptopi'm working on right now23:49
ZogG_laptopto leak all the NDA of TMO and hildon board :)23:49
Woody14619awell, sadly tomorrow I have a funeral to attend 1800 to 2000 UTC, may run longer.  so.. tomorrow is bad for me meeting wise23:52
Win7MacZogG_laptop, if you have honest concerns, please stand up. But I basically want to speed things up by avoiding mail, which you also would have no insight23:53
Win7MacWoody14619a, please join channel23:53
Woody14619aI would prefer mon-wed, as thurs-sun will be holiday here, and will be again limited to n90023:54
Woody14619awhich channel?23:54
Woody14619arequires keyword?23:54
ZogG_laptopWin7Mac: i was joking. i just wanted to understand why u need channel.23:54
ZogG_laptopWin7Mac: i know HiFo is in good hands :)23:55
ZogG_laptopnight guys23:55
Woody14619awhich would be???23:55
Win7Macthanks & good night23:55
Win7Macjoerg didn't send it via sms?23:56
Woody14619ano... just pm me it.23:56

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