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| qwazix | hi all! | 21:01 |
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| Woody14619 | o/ | 21:03 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | hi | 21:04 |
| Win7Mac | Hi | 21:05 |
| Woody14619 | brb, gotta reboot | 21:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | is meeting in progress? | 21:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | Hi. Win7Mac :) | 21:06 |
| Win7Mac | 6wheely... I edited http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council. Anything else to do on the wiki? | 21:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | Win7Mac: there's always something to be done ;P | 21:13 |
| qwazix | btw, did anybody answer to the guy proposing changes to the wiki? | 21:14 |
| Win7Mac | like correcting formatting... ;) | 21:14 |
| qwazix | I hadn't the time to check, is that page locked, and he is asking or is he just being polite? | 21:14 |
| Win7Mac | ashley? | 21:14 |
| qwazix | ehm, I don't remember, let me see | 21:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | qwazix: what page? | 21:15 |
| qwazix | Community_SSU | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, late | 21:17 |
| qwazix | the email starts with mike plus a country designation | 21:18 |
| qwazix | hi DocScrutinizer05 | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 21:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | hi | 21:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | unfortunately I g2g. Is there anything I should be aware of before I shoot? | 21:20 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, beware of the bugs ;-) | 21:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | be aware not beware. :rolleyes: | 21:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | :) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: do you want council cloak? | 21:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I do want a cloak. not bother if council or contributor | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, we even get a logbot | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nm | 21:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | anyway g2g. Will check chanlogs and reply to anything on ##m-c-o, laters o/ | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya | 21:29 |
| Win7Mac | bye | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re wiki edit: I found that mail, and... well seems ok to do that edit, though that's a topic for #maemo-ssu | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got any agenda? | 21:31 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, yeah but it was sent to council, so we either reply telling him to go to #maemo-ssu or to go ahead and edit | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I vote for the former | 21:34 |
| qwazix | ok, I'll reply right away | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all a) cssu team might want to learn about the issue, b) cssu team might want to verify the advice | 21:35 |
| qwazix | mail is off | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | voting token (reminder) mails also seem to be thru | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so actually in time :-) | 21:40 |
| Win7Mac | thanks | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: how's suggested SOP to handover the BoD to new body? | 21:42 |
| Woody14619 | SOP? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sop | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrr | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | standard operating procedure | 21:43 |
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| Woody14619 | no idea frankly... The "hand-off" to date has been... lets say less than adequate. | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems you are about to define and implement a standard | 21:44 |
| Woody14619 | Part of why I've been CCing Council into the loop for most e-mails on Board, to help keep some kind of continuity where we can. | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think next week's meeting is a nice place to do the formal introduction and handover | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll take care to evaluate and finalize the voting until then | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, fail | 21:46 |
| Woody14619 | Which I may be doing solo at this point AFAIK... | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we should move next week's meeting, postpone it to saturday same time? | 21:47 |
| Woody14619 | So far, I've called for a meeting on July 2nd, which is when I planned on doing it. But may wind up moving that up. :P | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah right | 21:48 |
| Woody14619 | Was mainly so Rob could participate (since he's been very insistant on meetings, and Tues/ Thurs were good for him. But from the next to last mail (I saw the last one but didn't read it yet) sounds like he may not be going anyway. | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless push next week meeting one day? | 21:48 |
| Woody14619 | Difficult for me, but I can do it. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe MCC/HFC could welcome the new BoD, and maybe even chem|st and merlin1991 could join then | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is anybody else getting garage mails? | 21:51 |
| Woody14619 | Sure. :) Whatever works. | 21:51 |
| Woody14619 | I'm not, but then I didn/t get them often before... | 21:52 |
| thedead1440 | o/ hi all | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also does anybody know of somebody willing and savvy to look into autobuilder issues? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi thedead1440 | 21:53 |
| Win7Mac | hi | 21:53 |
| thedead1440 | i had fallen asleep but suddenly woke up to remember there is a meeting :D | 21:54 |
| Woody14619 | sigh.. work again.. Can't wait till my manager goes to Italy (2 more days!) brb | 21:54 |
| Win7Mac | LOL ;) | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, like me | 21:54 |
| thedead1440 | sigh... maemo; taking over your sleep since forever :p | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, maybe I should wait yet another week regarding cloaks? | 21:56 |
| thedead1440 | yeah get the new BoD their cloaks too | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: Win7Mac "killed" you from http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council. This for sure isn't meant as any putting down | 21:58 |
| thedead1440 | so is next week's meeting being moved or not? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if everybody agrees | 21:58 |
| * thedead1440 cries; thanks to Win7Mac :p | 21:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fine with moving it | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall chem|st asking for Saturday | 21:59 |
| Win7Mac | ;-) | 21:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 afk for preparing a coffee, bbiam | 21:59 | |
| thedead1440 | i think its best to move it too so that treasure of the new board etc can be appointed too | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | ...with a tear on my KB | 22:00 |
| thedead1440 | a merged meeting would help communications too | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, poor TimRiker, they upgraded his infobot DSL to VDSL2 but forgot to give him credentials | 22:00 |
| thedead1440 | treasurer* | 22:00 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now he tries to run the bot over cellular | 22:01 |
| thedead1440 | yikes that sucks | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously: [2013-06-21 21:00:35] <-- infobot has left this server (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and [2013-06-21 20:59:52] [Notify] apt went offline (irc.freenode.net). [2013-06-21 21:00:12] [Notify] ibot went offline (irc.freenode.net). [2013-06-21 21:00:36] [Notify] purl went offline (irc.freenode.net). | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I announce publicly that not far from now, I might have to take down autobuilder completely due to bugs and flaws raping m.o and nobody looking into them | 22:05 |
| thedead1440 | Doc put it on a tmo thread | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 22:06 |
| thedead1440 | maybe that would get some autobuilder pros to come forward to help | 22:06 |
| thedead1440 | + mailing list too | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | and a banner on m.o ;) | 22:07 |
| Win7Mac | ...like maintainers wanted | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please no more banners | 22:08 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or I might activate adblock for m.o | 22:08 |
| Win7Mac | but honestly, when elections are done - why not? just an offer | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should create an account for you so you can uploade those banners directly ;-P | 22:11 |
| thedead1440 | no don't do that; it would be banners-galore on m.o then :p | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you only got one banner to manage | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you won't have file permissions on the other ones | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | ok, great! | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | banner admin, hehe | 22:12 |
| Woody14619 | We'd have to make a new domain. banners.m.o | 22:13 |
| Win7Mac | tmo + m.o then please | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if midgard wasn't such a pile of indigestible incomprehensible cruft, I'd say I arrange it so you can upload and manage the banner file there, but though there *has* to be a way to do that I haven't found out _how_, yet | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | works as of now, so no hurry | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | but also is this really, what it should look like?: http://maemo.org/news/ | 22:15 |
| Woody14619 | Have we tried reaching out to the guy that used to make autobuilder for Nokia? Last I knew he was still around on freenode, and on the mailing list. He may be willing to at least smack it back into operation, or share some info on it, now that he's no long with Nokia. | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I need to set up a wiki-alike non-public (controlled access) area in midgard where techstaff keeps a "diary" with all the details like "where is that banner, how to swap it", which bugs pending etc | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's that, Woody14619? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: no, but that's as good as it gets, with my "understanding" of midgard | 22:18 |
| Woody14619 | Can't recall the name. He came out of the woodwork at one point during the COBs discussions with x-fade. He was recently ex-Nokia then... but that was over a year ago. I'll look back through my logs and such and see if I can find it. | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody else ping x-fade a last time maybe? | 22:19 |
| Woody14619 | you kinda just did. (He is in the list ----------->) | 22:19 |
| qwazix | I have to go, if I'm not needed anything else | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a zombie for all I can tell | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: seems our non-existant agenda we got all the missing ponts done. CYA ;-) | 22:20 |
| qwazix | bye! Have a good night. | 22:21 |
| Win7Mac | ;) bye | 22:21 |
| thedead1440 | see ya qwazix | 22:21 |
| Woody14619 | Thanks all for getting things setup and wrapped up with the voting (pulling the lever, etc) | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I missed to ask him how was Tampere | 22:21 |
| thedead1440 | is this the person with knowledge of auto-builder: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jeremiah | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: after your awesome work that was the easy part, anyway yw | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: wow, you're our truffle dog | 22:24 |
| Win7Mac | Woody14619, please keep us informed about next BoD-meeting | 22:24 |
| thedead1440 | another link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Day_2#Extras.2Fautobuilder.2Finterfaces_round-table | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 22:24 |
| thedead1440 | Ed Bartosh and Alexander Kanevskiy | 22:24 |
| thedead1440 | :D | 22:24 |
| Woody14619 | Alexander... that was it. | 22:24 |
| thedead1440 | http://maemo.org/profile/view/kad/ | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you all are aware that warfare will swap the switch for the GBit one next Tue 0700? | 22:26 |
| Woody14619 | Though frankly, all three would make good candidates to drop an e-mail to to ask if they would be willing to help out. Even just a quick guide or chat about how it works would be a huge help at this point. | 22:26 |
| thedead1440 | Woody14619: neils = x-fade and he's unresponsive so that leaves us with 2 | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: i'd appreciate you being available for the voting period, in case something goes haywire | 22:26 |
| thedead1440 | anyway alexander's g+ profile: https://plus.google.com/109601054565499289245/about (should be easier to contact him now) | 22:27 |
| Woody14619 | I plan to be available as I can, but again, if something goes seriously wrong an SMS is the best way to get my attention. I'll pop on here to reply though, as apaprently I can't do international SMS reply (thanks T-moble...) | 22:27 |
| thedead1440 | re the switch swap; thanks warfare | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:28 |
| Woody14619 | Yes, huge thanks. And to donators for funds to pay for this needed bit of stuff. (without others needed to take it from their wallet again... as has happened too often till now). | 22:29 |
| Woody14619 | Hopefully all such future equipment needs will happen with such process. | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | Rob refuses to act on paypal? | 22:30 |
| Woody14619 | thedead1440, 2? Jeremiah, Ed, Alexander, I see 3. :) | 22:30 |
| thedead1440 | oh you counted jeremiah in :D | 22:30 |
| thedead1440 | another person: http://maemo.org/profile/view/tekojo/ | 22:30 |
| thedead1440 | his past announcement(s) include: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/autobuilder-out/ | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: the switch been paid "by Rob" | 22:31 |
| Win7Mac | ah ya | 22:31 |
| Woody14619 | Can't hurt to ask... especially with the caveat that we don't expect constant support, and any help or info would be good. | 22:31 |
| Woody14619 | No, it was paid from the HiFo account, which is funds from m.o contributors. (Mainly via cosimos' account) | 22:32 |
| Win7Mac | ok | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what I meant | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe something Andrew or I could chase, too, if elected. | 22:32 |
| thedead1440 | yup and my gut feeling is if they are not working for nokia, they wouldn't mind helping maemo community out | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi GeneralAntilles! :-) | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | Mon General... ;) | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | thedead, many thanks for diggin' | 22:33 |
| thedead1440 | np | 22:33 |
| Woody14619 | I think Ed and Alexander especially would be willing to lend a hand, so long as they're treated with the respect they deserve. Sadly, has not always been the case in the past. | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: hand those assho^Hdudes that lack the respect we want to see from them over to me, I haven't had breakfast yet | 22:35 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 22:35 |
| Woody14619 | Anyway... I need to get back to things. But sounds like we have a viable game plan. Can someone follow up with them? thedead1440, Win7Mac, GeneralAntilles? :) | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | follow up? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm particularly eager to bash somebody since estel's bitching/trolling about busybox and cssu extras again | 22:36 |
| Woody14619 | DocScrutinizer05, well... There are a few that think they're owed something by such people. They tend to whine in CSSU threads and the like.... | 22:36 |
| Woody14619 | Win7Mac, yes, as in actuall make an e-mail and send it to said people asking for help. :) | 22:36 |
| thedead1440 | i would suggest an email be drafted for doc to send to those people | 22:37 |
| Woody14619 | (After review via Council, which is common practice. Write a letter, debated it a day, then mail) | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st will set up a special tmo theme for them | 22:37 |
| thedead1440 | its better for our maemo tech co-ordinator to be sending stuff out so that replies can be judged best too | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | err... not sure I'm the right 1 | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: send the guys ex autobuilder straight to ##maemo-admin or directly to me, they don't even have to bother about any bitching in so called community | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (so called about the trolls, here) | 22:39 |
| * Woody14619 nods. | 22:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I think it's better our MCC sending those mails | 22:40 |
| thedead1440 | true too | 22:41 |
| Woody14619 | Win7Mac, true, but much easier on staff if they get a pre-written letter with "you should send this to X, Y, and Z about maintainer ship" helps spread the work load. (and is a good reminder) | 22:41 |
| thedead1440 | i just presume that such people don't have time to go thru formal stuff and prefer to cut to the chase and since you know the issues best least time spent would be them getting back to you | 22:41 |
| Woody14619 | Anyway.. need to wrap up and get this out. Big demo in Florida on Monday, and they want to fly it most of the weekend "just in case" they find a bug. :P | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | Woody14619, understood. But honestly I lack experience and might screw up, too important | 22:42 |
| Woody14619 | k,, sure someone will pick it up. :) | 22:42 |
| Woody14619 | Worst case I will in a week or two when I'm less swamped. | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm all for them getting straight to me. What I don't like is it's again me doing all the work of sending amils ;-) | 22:43 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 22:43 |
| thedead1440 | ok if i'm free tomorrow, i'll do a draft email and send it to council. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 22:44 |
| thedead1440 | we'll debate it then and ask chem|st to send it to those people | 22:44 |
| Woody14619 | k, have a good weekend all. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I even can add a footnote and forward it | 22:44 |
| thedead1440 | see ya Woody14619 | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: thanks and cya | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | thanks + bye woody o/ | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw aiui that POS is called "cauldron", maybe our truffle dogs find further hotspots for search for experts | 22:46 |
| thedead1440 | extras-cauldron-builds list run by mikhail.sobolev at gmail.com | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, we had that mikhail already, right? | 22:49 |
| thedead1440 | nope | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds familiar to me | 22:49 |
| thedead1440 | so now its ed bartosh, jeremiah, alexander and mikhail | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and niels | 22:50 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ferenc, though he might just point us to niels | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, and while we're at it: bergie and mashiara/rambo | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, keep'em coming | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and support@nemein | 22:52 |
| Win7Mac | oh | 22:52 |
| thedead1440 | and just to ensure a complete list support@nokia :p | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I carefully pondered and rejected that option | 22:53 |
| Win7Mac | there must be something claimable from migration #1, no? | 22:53 |
| thedead1440 | anyway what else is left to discuss? | 22:53 |
| Win7Mac | from nemein/nok | 22:53 |
| thedead1440 | i'm going to drop soon | 22:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 too | 22:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget TO VOTE!! | 22:54 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | ah, now that you remind me ;) | 22:54 |
| thedead1440 | so since there's nothing left; adios all | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya thedead1440 and thanks | 22:56 |
| thedead1440 | good night \o | 22:56 |
| thedead1440 | see ya doc; take a good rest too | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | thanks + gn! | 22:56 |
| thedead1440 | you too Win7Mac | 22:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 also waves and wanders off | 22:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck to freemangordon, he'll need it | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and a short isdenote to the community: I got 25, err 23 now pcs PAS414 backup battery cell, to send out to any country via normal surface delivery letter, for a 3bucks donation. If somebody is interested to do a lil soldering fancy | 23:00 |
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| Win7Mac | mIRC sucks | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, at work. Fielding the crazy people. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will review the logs later. | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | GA, hurry, it's newstime! ;-) | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: next week meeting @ saturday | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah! | 23:10 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer05 | 23:10 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/" | 23:11 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/ - next one probably Saturday though" | 23:11 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/ - next one probably Saturday 29. though" | 23:12 | |
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| Win7Mac | just change the order | 23:12 |
| Win7Mac | sat. 29 first | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll do that when it got confirmed | 23:13 |
| Win7Mac | I confirm ;) | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody CC me when you guys confirm the meeting times | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ideally announcing it on the council blog would be good, too, but I can MWKN it with an email at least. | 23:29 |
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