IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Friday, 2013-06-14

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DocScrutinizer05seems today's meeting gets postponed to a later date, due to lots of council missing aiui19:03
DocScrutinizer05when I got chem|st correctly19:04
DocScrutinizer05anyway qwazix not joining, merlin1991 most likely not joining19:04
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kerioaww but i liked the meetings :(19:22
DocScrutinizer05well, actually we probably had something to do today19:29
DocScrutinizer05but when nobody joins19:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe I#m mistaken though19:30
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-14 16:26:52] <chem|st> +1 08:57 < merlin1991> I don't know it for sure yet, but I most probably can't make it to todays meeting19:30
sixwheeledbeasti can be there...19:30
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-14 16:30:14] <chem|st> that is a minus 3 then... I'd love to reschedule the meeting... suggestions?19:30
DocScrutinizer05hey sixwheeledbeast :-)19:31
DocScrutinizer05so let's have a party instead of a meeting today ;-)19:32
sixwheeledbeastOk just us three?19:32
DocScrutinizer05you, myself and I?19:32
DocScrutinizer05aah kerio19:32
DocScrutinizer05sure :-)19:33
kerioyay, i exist19:33
sixwheeledbeastReally we should ask if any community members have anything to say...19:33
DocScrutinizer05sure you exist, kerio. It's just me and my weird virtual world19:33
DocScrutinizer05of course19:34
DocScrutinizer05well, another 90min19:34
DocScrutinizer05and since I'm fed up with it, I guess I will simply publish officially - on behalf of council chair - the unification statement19:35
* sixwheeledbeast is going for a shower while he has chance...BRB19:45
DocScrutinizer05ooh, that didn't change19:45
* sixwheeledbeast is back :)19:59
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thedead1440hi all :)20:37
thedead1440seems like no meeting for today?20:39
DocScrutinizer05maybe party20:49
thedead1440oh cool20:50
thedead1440a party in JRTSV; must be a first in a looong time :p20:50
sixwheeledbeasthey thedead1440 :) join the party....20:51
thedead1440sixwheeledbeast: the first meeting w/o us having to attend becomes a party :D20:51
thedead1440sign of things to come? :p20:51
sixwheeledbeastWell, we retired members out number the current members today20:52
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Woody14619So... No meeting today then? (via /topic)20:58
* Woody14619 lols at backlog...21:00
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* Woody14619 likes the aligning announcement. Very well crafted.21:05
Woody14619sigh.. I hate work...21:06
sixwheeledbeasthi woody1461921:07
sixwheeledbeastAnybody have anything to bring to this non-meeting?21:07
DocScrutinizer05hi Woody1461921:10
DocScrutinizer05even when you like it, could you still proofread it?21:11
thedead1440sixwheeledbeast: not me21:11
DocScrutinizer05hi thedead144021:11
thedead1440hi Doc21:11
sixwheeledbeastWell I'd like to point out I am still babysitting the repository for cleaning management issues. Even more so since the packages started to come through again today.21:13
DocScrutinizer05we have URGENT need to find somebody to look into it21:13
DocScrutinizer05I announced it as top priority workpoint in #maemo-admin two or three times now21:14
DocScrutinizer05we simply have nobody to look into it21:14
sixwheeledbeastRemoved 21 old packages so far today due to scrolling cleaning management midgard crap.21:14
sixwheeledbeastI am keeping a list BTW21:15
DocScrutinizer05nobody who feels familiar with that atobuilder and relatives gang21:15
DocScrutinizer05iirc freemangordon had a look into some script and found someth that fals when midgrad tries to clean some queue21:16
DocScrutinizer05but afak nobody investigated thoroughly neither implemented a fix21:16
DocScrutinizer05and if that mess can't get fixed soon, I have no other option that to shut down autobuilder completely21:17
Woody14619Was reading the one linked earlier (7V4Yh... ) looks good.21:17
Woody14619As for the rest, have been dealing with personal matters and not been able to work on much Maemo for the past week or so.21:18
DocScrutinizer05so, I do a minipoll among "council" here: shall we publish that statement right away?21:18
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: go ahead with it21:19
Woody14619I do have an annoucement about Board though: general meeting June 20th @10am EDT.21:19
thedead1440we have had enough of waiting21:19
DocScrutinizer05please review the most recent version21:19
DocScrutinizer05I did some edits to move future to present/past-tense21:19
DocScrutinizer05when the piratepad disconnected me21:19
sixwheeledbeastpiratepad was a pain for kicking me21:20
Woody14619Likely on the same site (sadly), but hey... a meeting none the less.21:20
sixwheeledbeastWell I am happy, obviously the first line can go. Also do you want to be known as Unified Council?21:23
DocScrutinizer05yep, seems recent, now that it finally loaded21:24
DocScrutinizer05meh, no preferences, been a momentary impulse of mine21:24
DocScrutinizer05hey, this is a party, no? then bbl, preparing me a coffee - *finally*21:25
sixwheeledbeastShouldn't it be HFC technically21:25
DocScrutinizer05since both entities sustain to exist21:25
sixwheeledbeastI thought they where to be aligned? So what is the name of the "Newly Aligned Council"21:26
DocScrutinizer05or NAC?21:27
Woody14619Jedi Council... Done.21:27
sixwheeledbeastBut I thought HiFo rules said a certain name21:27
DocScrutinizer05Hildon Foundation Council21:28
DocScrutinizer05which is one of the two personalities21:28
DocScrutinizer05and will stay21:29
DocScrutinizer05and then there's Maemo community Council21:29
DocScrutinizer05which is the other of the two personalities21:29
DocScrutinizer05and will stay21:29
sixwheeledbeastSo we should call the new name Council HFC for clarity?21:29
DocScrutinizer05we can call it whatever we like21:31
DocScrutinizer05in some cases we will sign by "HFC" when we announce sth on behalf of HiFo21:32
DocScrutinizer05in some cases we will sign by "MCC" when we announce some decision regarding or community at large21:32
DocScrutinizer05it's just one entity with different roles21:33
sixwheeledbeastI assumed it would make sense to use HFC for all now, why have two name for the same thing.21:33
DocScrutinizer05because there are two roles21:33
DocScrutinizer05HFC has no saying in e.g. Coding Competition, or when removing packages from repos, or whatever21:34
DocScrutinizer05MCC has no saying in HiFo matters21:34
DocScrutinizer05so let's just call it "¢"21:35
sixwheeledbeastbut they are now one so ... whatever21:35
DocScrutinizer05sure they are one, like your daddy is Director of the company but also member of the school's parent council21:36
DocScrutinizer05he doesn't sign by "parent council" when it comes to company affairs21:36
DocScrutinizer05and he's not signing with "Director" when it comes to school things21:36
* sixwheeledbeast hopes gcompris and dependencies doesn't need an update in the near future.21:37
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: fair comment.21:37
DocScrutinizer05lol, so bad?21:37
DocScrutinizer05eventually BoD can decide to accept the genuine MCC as HiFo's council, then we can drop the HFC name21:39
DocScrutinizer05we however can't and must not discontinue the MCC21:39
DocScrutinizer05so another pleasant story of just 2h ago: we have 4 candidates for BoD elections21:41
thedead1440\o/ an election is then guaranteed21:42
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DocScrutinizer05and for those who might not have noticed yet: next week 10:00EDST it seems the shall be a BoD meeting21:42
DocScrutinizer05Rob suggested to not decide anything on this meeting "that's better decided by the newly elected BoD later on" (OWTTE)21:43
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DocScrutinizer05so I think the future is bright :-D21:43
* Woody14619 saw that as well...21:43
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: confirming that meeting?21:44
* sixwheeledbeast lost connection at 19:38 so NFC what is bright...21:44
Woody14619Jim chose, I confirmed as did Rob, so it should be on.21:44
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: Rob suggested to not decide anything on this meeting "that's better decided by the newly elected BoD later on" (OWTTE)21:45
DocScrutinizer05ooh, 3821:46
DocScrutinizer05then just for you:21:46
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-14 20:39:04] <DocScrutinizer05> eventually BoD can decide to accept the genuine MCC as HiFo's council, then we can drop the HFC name21:46
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-14 20:39:28] <DocScrutinizer05> we however can't and must not discontinue the MCC21:46
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-14 20:41:01] <DocScrutinizer05> so another pleasant story of just 2h ago: we have 4 candidates for BoD elections21:46
DocScrutinizer05and we have a BoD meeting Thu 1000EDST next week21:47
DocScrutinizer05somebody needs to look into voting engine and update the ballots21:48
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if we should send another mass mailing21:48
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: you noticed Rob asking for some data dunnowhat so he can put the meeting to HiFo website officially?21:49
Woody14619I would... It's really not that big of a tax, what with the slow-trickle-out backend.  And yes, the candidate list minimally needs to be updated.21:49
Woody14619Yes, I will try to get that e-mail out tonight.21:50
DocScrutinizer05one more topic:21:50
Woody14619What was the other request for rembursement again?  I know there was one for the drives and one for something else, but can't recall.  (We can take that off-line if desired.)21:50
DocScrutinizer05I got notice of a very economic 4TB USB external drives that brkn found21:51
DocScrutinizer05well, I dunno if that other request been for fuzzy backup puposes21:52
DocScrutinizer05I have no clue what requests BoD discussed21:52
DocScrutinizer05I made a suggestion to get 2 pcs of those 4tb drives, for off site storage21:53
Woody14619gah.. work.. afk21:53
DocScrutinizer05warfare didn't really comment on the idea21:53
DocScrutinizer05so I'd like to ask here what's the common take on that - shall we get external storage to keep a archive version of at large at a safe place?21:54
DocScrutinizer05I mean, right now when the server is catching fire or lightning, then our local backups are dead as well21:55
DocScrutinizer05the drives would be ~300EUR for 221:55
DocScrutinizer05I consider this a mandatory policy to secure stuff21:56
DocScrutinizer05there've been suggestions to get distributed online backup with some volunteers from community, but this isn't really feasible an alternative in my book. Due to traffic and time needed to creeate the backups, due to encryption needs, and due to resoure demand on servers for handling such online backup21:59
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: thanks for scrollback, have loads of tabs open at the moment trying to sort these packages out. Takes time to double check and list I don't want to make a mistake.21:59
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: for the value of the contents I would go with a physical backup that can be accessed at times of real emergency22:00
sixwheeledbeastGood news on BoD anyway :)22:00
thedead1440so +1 from me (not that it matters) on getting those HDDs22:00
DocScrutinizer05appreciated :-)22:00
sixwheeledbeastAs regards letter I am ok with it.22:00
sixwheeledbeastAnd HDD too.22:01
DocScrutinizer05thanks sixwheeledbeast22:02
sixwheeledbeastnp anytime22:02
DocScrutinizer05what about this one:   --  I can't find a bigger font and a more bloody alerting red22:02
DocScrutinizer05anybody *any* suggestions what to do about our blatant lack of maintainers?22:03
thedead1440a banner on tmo at the right-hand side?22:03
DocScrutinizer05could be done, I bet22:03
DocScrutinizer05please everybody try to find experts to look into all that stuff22:04
thedead1440since midgard seems to be the most irritating would it be possible to go on their mailing list and request for help? Though i suspect they wouldn't be too inclined to do something for free22:04
DocScrutinizer05luckily we somewhat won our wrestling with midgard22:05
thedead1440oh so its autobuilder and not midgard that's been troubling sixwheeledbeast?22:06
DocScrutinizer05it's more the bells and whistles attached to midgard that blow chunks now. See autobuilder and sixwheeledbeast's headache (also mine of course)22:06
DocScrutinizer05it's not exactly in midgard, it's just using a few midgard calls in php scripts22:07
thedead1440i think you can pester chem|st to put up the banner asap on tmp22:07
sixwheeledbeastI still feel updating [[Maemo.org_Team]] page with positions required will help.22:07
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thedead1440hopefully some people come to the fore to help out22:08
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: the problem is to describe those positions22:08
DocScrutinizer05we have one clear maintainer task and that's mailing lists22:09
DocScrutinizer05that guy must have a clue about how that mailman or whatever stuff works22:09
sixwheeledbeasthmm ... well exactly if there is no name for a position how will people apply22:09
DocScrutinizer05well, if you need names, let me call them "maintainer sector A" to "maintainer sector M" maybe22:10
sixwheeledbeastposition - required skills - apply within - no pay just job satisfaction22:11
DocScrutinizer05I tried to assign maintainership by VM, but that also doesn't work22:11
DocScrutinizer05err. you looked at that tmo link above?22:11
thedead1440i feel like dropping so see ya all22:11
DocScrutinizer05cya thedead144022:11
thedead1440bye Doc and do take a good rest too ;)22:12
DocScrutinizer05sure, eventually22:12
thedead1440always the same ol' Doc :D22:13
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: (and who else might be listening, Woody14619 maybe) you heard of skeiron. I heard skeiron is getting short on storage. I think that server could use another hdd which is iirc ~20bucks per months. what do you think?22:17
DocScrutinizer05hmm, when somebody wants to continue the party, just ping me, I might join22:18
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: still wading through packages. funds from where?22:19
DocScrutinizer05I would find the funds, at least for now. That's why I ask, it's community's funds on my paypal that I'd move on to those skeiron guys22:20
DocScrutinizer05would kick up my monthly maemo monetary expense (SCNR) from ~70 to maybe 9022:22
sixwheeledbeast20p/m? are you paying for a HDD p/m?22:36
DocScrutinizer05sure, on a rented server22:41
DocScrutinizer05you don't run your own HDD22:41
sixwheeledbeastoh rented server.22:42
DocScrutinizer05mind you, skeiron is a hetzner box22:42
sixwheeledbeastI was thinking it was your HW22:43
DocScrutinizer05nononooo I have no saying on skeiron22:43
sixwheeledbeastwell IMO you shouldn't be out of pocket for it.22:44
DocScrutinizer05and I have no idea who owns it nor what those guys are doing there22:44
DocScrutinizer05I just think it's helpful and that it should get supported22:45
DocScrutinizer05and I also think I don't want to pay out of my pocket any longer, but luckily some other guys in community see it same way as I do ;-)22:46
sixwheeledbeast88 packages purged I finally think I got them all.22:50
sixwheeledbeastwell todays anyway22:50
sixwheeledbeast88 packages purged I finally think I got them all.22:50
sixwheeledbeastwell todays anyway22:50
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sixwheeledbeastthe current total22:53
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DocScrutinizer05that's insane22:57
DocScrutinizer05incredible work, sixwheeledbeast :-D22:58
DocScrutinizer05thumbs up22:58
sixwheeledbeastgone cross eyed checking22:58
sixwheeledbeast:) any thing to stop the drives/databases filling with crap short term22:59
DocScrutinizer05I feel with you22:59
DocScrutinizer05I will try to find the cronjob and maybe reduce its frequency even further23:00
DocScrutinizer05once a day should be enough, this is not a buildserver, it's our repo frontend23:01
sixwheeledbeastit's package dependant23:01
sixwheeledbeastsome are cleaning at 4 hours some 20 minutes23:01
DocScrutinizer05found any hints what is causing it?23:01
sixwheeledbeastOh BTW neilsquare page reappeared.23:10
qwazixJust read backlog, for the record +1 for HDD's23:26
qwazixAnd apart from other things we are looking for a person with OBS knowledge to set up new harm builder.23:27
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kerioqwazix: we don't have "jurisdiction" over harm, do we23:38
qwazixkerio, we don't but it's not illegal for a $community member to set up a builder is it?23:39
keriooh of course not23:39
keriobut what about the nokia one?23:39
keriodoes it exist?23:39
keriohas it ever existed?23:39
qwazixyeah on until last month23:40
DocScrutinizer05mot sure how much of that been Nokia23:48
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