IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Friday, 2013-05-17

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DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-10 21:16:18] <Woody14619> Key elements for HFC are the criteria for membership and elections.  That, IMHO, is probably the single largest item.12:16
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-10 20:20:41] <MentalistTraceur> Anyway, I think what the handover primarily involves is just us (old council) telling you (new council) what you guys have to do left over from our dealings. For the Hildon Foundation Council, that involves coming up with election eligibility criteria for HiFo, as that is your duty as per the bylaws...12:34
DocScrutinizer05I pushed during the week to get *anything* done, but no response. I declare I failed and can't deliver on the promises I made for this council term, since HFC is unresponsive12:36
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qwazixhi all21:04
chem|sthi21:04
chem|steverybody here?21:04
qwazixchem|st: I saw your message but I just got online21:04
qwazixI'll post minutes after the meeting21:04
chem|stno problem we get to it in the end as it might get some mor discussion about it21:05
DocScrutinizer05here21:06
chem|stmerlin1991: ?21:06
DocScrutinizer05I pushed during the week to get *anything* done, but no response. I declare I failed and can't deliver on the promises I made for this council term. I resign from my adopted role of "the one who's tracking everything and driving stuff so sth happens". I take a minimum of 3 months offtime during which I will not be active on initiating things but rather only available to reply on inquiries21:08
chem|stso you resign?21:09
DocScrutinizer05read again, please!21:09
chem|stso you resign?21:09
chem|stsimple question isn't it21:10
chem|st?21:10
DocScrutinizer05is it true?21:10
DocScrutinizer05aimple question, no?21:10
DocScrutinizer05resign from what?21:10
chem|stfrom your position in hfc mcc? your position as administration manager?21:11
DocScrutinizer05read again please!21:11
chem|stthanks...21:11
DocScrutinizer05did I mention " hfc mcc" or "my position as administration manager"?21:12
chem|stso 12 past21:12
DocScrutinizer05I clearly put what I resign from21:12
chem|stthen keep vague stuff to yourself21:13
DocScrutinizer05I even elaborated on what that means21:13
DocScrutinizer05ok, thanks21:13
DocScrutinizer05bye21:13
chem|styou resign from something you haven't been asigned for21:13
chem|stremember? this is voluntary21:13
DocScrutinizer05thanks for educating me about council21:14
chem|stso top 1 merge of mcc and hfc21:14
DocScrutinizer05hope you will enjoy the cooperation with my in future just the way you seem to do today21:14
DocScrutinizer05or did last week21:14
chem|stis there anything stopping us from just merging a body of 6? votes for both reflect the same 6 people21:14
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: just take a chill pill. You have an issue with HFC right? Let HFC members deal with it NOW!21:15
DocScrutinizer05there is no body of 6 anywhere in any rules, neither for HFC nor for MCC21:15
chem|stthat is not an issue21:15
DocScrutinizer05meh, I'm out21:16
thedead1440let's stop wasting our energies on things like limiting our co-operation. We were elected for a reason; let's try to fulfill those purposes first21:16
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:16:17] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-05-10 21:16:18] <Woody14619> Key elements for HFC are the criteria for membership and elections.  That, IMHO, is probably the single largest item.21:16
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:34:24] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-05-10 20:20:41] <MentalistTraceur> Anyway, I think what the handover primarily involves is just us (old council) telling you (new council) what you guys have to do left over from our dealings. For the Hildon Foundation Council, that involves coming up with election eligibility criteria for HiFo, as that is your duty as per the bylaws...21:16
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:36:07] <DocScrutinizer05> I pushed during the week to get *anything* done, but no response. I declare I failed and can't deliver on the promises I made for this council term, since HFC is unresponsive21:16
chem|stat least I do not see one if both mcc and hfc agree with it being temporary for the merging term21:17
thedead1440chem|st: the merge happens on a 5-body council. let's not complicate things further with bringing the 6members question in.21:17
DocScrutinizer05oh, so you're ignoring all rules ever set up21:17
DocScrutinizer05fine with me21:17
DocScrutinizer05probably not fine with Rob and 50% of community21:18
thedead1440The most important thing as of now is to get election rules for HiFo BoD21:18
thedead1440so that BoD elections can take place smoothly21:18
thedead1440let's settle that first imo21:18
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: you are repeating continously... stop moaning, I got one email about it 4 days ago... I had about 3-6h at home in these 4 days and I said I will get to it!21:18
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I'm actually definitely out. I don't like the tone of yours, nor your attitude21:19
chem|stbye!21:19
chem|sttone in writing is always fun!21:19
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05 && chem|st: can your'll stop it!21:19
chem|stwithout six we cannot agree on anything...21:20
thedead1440a majority can agree on everything21:20
chem|styou got a proposal for electorate in you inbox21:20
chem|stah so we can agree on a body of 6 too...21:21
chem|stwhat is the point with it... we do not even need to merge anything...21:21
thedead1440chem|st: can we settle on election rules first? The body of 6 can go to a vote if that's what you want21:21
thedead1440chem|st: we need a merge so that we get rid of this mess of 2 councils21:22
chem|stwe just need to propose to bod to accept mcc as hfc...21:22
thedead1440only one council is required which is known as hfc/mcc21:22
qwazixyeah we saw how that went21:22
thedead1440no! bod doesn't require any proposal now21:22
thedead1440please if you don't know about facts ask instead of dragging discussion back to 2-3 months ago21:23
chem|stso we just decide?21:23
qwazixyeah21:23
chem|stok elections first...21:23
qwazixwe just decide, and methinks we should decide that hfc election rules = mcc el. r.21:23
qwazixand get over with it21:24
thedead1440qwazix: agreed on the rules part21:24
chem|stmy proposal breaks what is currently in wiki21:24
chem|stand it is for bod and not hfc21:24
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: give us your view on hfc rules being equal to mcc rules21:24
chem|stwasn't that the referendum voted on 2 weeks ago?21:26
thedead1440chem|st: oops i meant hifo bod rules21:27
chem|st"Referendum to update MCC rules to match HFC rules"21:27
thedead1440we need to settle rules for hifo bod; got carried away in all the bickering21:27
chem|stI just picked the old maemo rules, cut out what is set by HiFo bylaws, extended it a bit and put a veto backdoor...21:29
DocScrutinizer05I think that proposal is non-conflicting to what is needed and has been set up already21:31
DocScrutinizer05I also think we can think about those rules again, once currently pending BoD elections been done21:32
chem|stcan someone rephrase on 1.1.? like putting it into commercial context21:32
chem|st+121:33
* merlin1991 arrives super late21:36
chem|sthttps://www.piratepad.ca/p/HiFo_BoD_Electorate21:37
chem|stput up a pad so we can live edit21:37
chem|stin the top right corner you may enter your name21:38
DocScrutinizer05is this "I put up", or "please put up" or "we could put up"?21:38
chem|stjust open the link21:39
thedead1440i would suggest changing voting requirements to 3months + 10karma just like for hfc21:39
qwazixShall I clear the initial coloring?21:39
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: +121:39
qwazixIt makes everything clearer to start from white21:39
chem|stqwazix: nope, that is mine so that is fine21:39
thedead1440also a 3-day cooling off period after nominations close for any candidates to withdraw their nomination21:40
chem|stlol21:40
qwazixokay21:40
thedead1440also the nomination period is extended in case of insufficient candidates21:40
chem|stI set the requirements higher as those have access to funds and I honestly don't want some freshman in BoD21:40
chem|stthedead1440: extension is in bylaws21:41
DocScrutinizer05ping me if you need further irrelevant opinions from me  o/21:41
chem|stalso special cases21:41
thedead1440you have set voting requirements higher NOT candidature requirements21:41
thedead1440so how is that allowing for freshmen in BoD?21:42
merlin1991why do we need the nomination veto?21:42
chem|stah shit I did that thing twice and forgot the first21:42
merlin1991imho that is too big a backdoor21:42
chem|stah no there is 100 karma...21:42
chem|st5/5 veto?21:43
thedead1440chem|st: 100 karma is required for HFC too!21:43
thedead1440no veto for nominees! let the community decided to elect who they want21:43
merlin1991my problem with this is, why should the people in power be able select who can come to power?21:43
chem|stthen we do not need any karma...21:43
thedead1440if the candidate is undesirable the community can reject them instead of 4-5 hfc people21:43
chem|stmerlin1991: it is not bod having a veto on bod21:44
merlin1991a *hostile* hfc could just keep themseleves in there forever21:44
thedead1440merlin1991: +121:44
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: a group of commercial rogue attackers could easily take over the community without any such backdoor21:44
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: please be more verbose21:45
chem|sta hostile hfc won't stay longer than 6 month21:45
chem|stI would change that elections get announced automagically after 11 month21:45
thedead1440chem|st: its simple; let the community decide who to vote for. We set the basic requirements such as karma and account validity NOT giving candidates a character certificate!21:46
chem|stbut that is bylaws...21:46
DocScrutinizer05acme troll company hires 100 bangladeshi to register now for being proper community members next regular BoD elections in 6 months. In 6 months those 100 run for BoD and elect themselves21:46
chem|stnothing you can do about that21:47
DocScrutinizer05sure, veto21:47
chem|styeah veto people you never saw somewhere within maemo doing any harm...21:47
chem|stnevermind21:47
chem|stever worked with a live pad? you guys can edit the hell out of it... it keeps track...21:48
merlin1991even if we keep the veto, what  do hfc rules say about members that resign?21:49
thedead1440For fuck's sake we need to set the criteria for this election and it can be changed after this election so can we get important+basic bits down instead of hypothetical situations???21:49
DocScrutinizer05qwazix and me did that, long ago. I don't feel like doing it today21:49
merlin1991we can't write 4/5 there if possibly 5 aren't around21:49
thedead1440we are pressed for time at this moment and we discuss nonsense that is not really useful for this election21:49
DocScrutinizer05emphasis on *this*21:50
DocScrutinizer05(election)21:50
chem|stbetter?21:50
thedead1440can someone confirm if the bylawys state that in the event of <7 candidates do X-2 candidates get voted in?21:51
* thedead1440 meant <=721:52
thedead1440chem|st: the voting requirements are better.21:52
chem|steasier better I doubt21:53
chem|stmaking it a NPO where you need to sign up for and only people really involved may vote sounds better to me21:54
chem|stin german "e.V." bod sometimes stay for decades if they do their job right...21:54
chem|stgerman*y21:54
thedead1440we can do that later after this election. Like i said please let's not distract ourselves!!!21:55
chem|stdoes anyone object the current proposal?21:56
thedead1440i thing the outgoing BoD should not have the right to bar anybody's nomination21:57
thedead1440only the HFC should be able to do so21:57
chem|stnoted21:57
thedead1440i mean the above in reference to 1.121:57
merlin1991thedead1440: +121:58
qwazixI'm okay with it21:58
thedead1440ok the bylaws seem to cover the <=7 candidates issue21:59
thedead1440the rest of the rules seem ok to me21:59
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: what do you think?21:59
DocScrutinizer05I think I vote like qwazix21:59
thedead1440for this election are those rules enough/satisfactory to hold an election?21:59
thedead1440ok21:59
thedead1440so who from HFC will be publishing this rule-set?22:00
DocScrutinizer05I don't know22:00
DocScrutinizer05I haven't checked those rules. And I just vote like qwazix22:00
merlin1991how should it be published?22:00
merlin1991and I guess chair should do it22:00
thedead1440sigh...when things are moving you still act in this manner...22:01
thedead1440merlin1991: not too sure but i think via mailing list, thread on tmo and mail to hifo BoD22:01
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I'm out22:01
chem|stcan we have a proper vote please, who is OK with the current proposal and agrees to start elections 14 days after it being published to the community?22:01
chem|st(that is the legit requirement right?)22:02
qwazixAye22:03
merlin1991+122:03
chem|st+122:04
thedead1440Even if doc and 6wheeled don't vote a majority has been established22:04
thedead1440go for it then ;)22:04
chem|stso we have a vote of 3/0/222:05
thedead1440i think hfc can only publish the rules and not start elections unless it wants to call for elections of both hfc and hifo bod22:09
qwazixthedead1440, I think you are right22:09
thedead1440sigh all the discussions have made me forget why there is the notice on maemo.org/vote about BoD elections starting on 26/05/201322:10
DocScrutinizer05I think I elaborated on all that this afternoon, in orga channel22:10
DocScrutinizer05for the 20th time22:10
thedead144019:15 <DocScrutinizer05> just on a sidenote: if HFC wants to pick up on the already announced BoD election process, then HFC has to publish eligibility rules that don't invalidate the rules posted at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2013#Eligibility for that already running process22:11
thedead1440ok so just publishing the rules allow the elections to occur22:12
merlin1991yes22:12
chem|stwell it is a bit unfair to have only 2 days till voting starts...22:12
thedead1440chem|st: i think its 2 days to being able to submit your candidature22:12
thedead1440and not voting22:13
chem|stand you just voted yes on a 14days from publishing the electorate process22:13
chem|stehrm the voting starts 20th22:13
thedead1440since no candidates have been declared for hifo BoD22:13
chem|stso if there are 5 till monday the voting would take place...22:13
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: clarify ^^^22:14
DocScrutinizer05nomination period of already announced BoD elections end on 20th (or 21st)22:15
DocScrutinizer05anything else is up to bylaws and HFC election rules22:15
DocScrutinizer05any date in voting machine is a rough guess been made22:16
DocScrutinizer05which can get edited until after vote actually started22:16
thedead1440so now once the rules are published can a 14 day nomination period start and a voting period to follow that?22:17
merlin1991so we should publish the rules TODAY for maximum useable nomination period22:17
DocScrutinizer05if there's a mandatory 2 weeks contemplation after end of nomination, the obviously vote can't start sooner than 2 weeks after 20th22:17
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440:  when HFC decides to accept the already announced and running BoD election process as valid, then we're 3 days from end of extended nomination period22:18
chem|stmerlin1991: agreed22:18
DocScrutinizer05when HFC decides not to pick up the already running process. then we have elections no sooner than 4 weeks into the future, if I recall bylaws correctly22:19
chem|stqwazix: I write the minutes while we are chatting, you may post them right afterwards...22:19
qwazixchem|st, I wasn't able to post on the council blog last time, so I posted by hand on tmo and mailing list22:20
chem|stthought you can post on blog?!22:20
DocScrutinizer05I explained that this afternoon in orga22:20
qwazixI could, but last time I got access denied. Let me check again22:21
chem|stok nvm we sort that out after the meeting ok?22:21
qwazixk22:21
chem|stdo you want to go over options for merging now? other things?22:22
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:45:29] <DocScrutinizer05> as long as blog doesn't work or automatism fails, meeting minutes must get published to community@maemo.org ML and to tmo manually22:22
thedead1440i think if we can agree on the rules and about the nominations period meeting can end22:23
thedead1440this is the most urgent issue and nothing so far is as pressing as this imo22:23
chem|stwell we still have the issues with Mr Bauer22:24
thedead1440it also gives all of us some time to cool down our emotions and think rationally again22:24
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:47:08] <DocScrutinizer05> HFC failed epically to deliver on topmost priority: publish election rules for BoD election22:24
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:48:04] <DocScrutinizer05> BoD failed to send the Nokia contract as promised by RMBauer22:24
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:48:39] <DocScrutinizer05> BoD failed to (inform us about) progress on resolving the bank account issue22:24
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:51:12] <chem|st> calm down...22:24
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:52:58] <DocScrutinizer05> in 3 days we have a natural deadline for BoD elections which got announced and are running, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_201322:24
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 11:53:51] <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: yes, I calm down. Instantly and ultimately. Just quoting *why*22:24
chem|stif you want to piss me of you go ahead... make my day22:25
merlin1991can we just vote on the rules publish them and be happy for once?22:26
chem|stmerlin1991: we already did...22:26
chem|stso you want the meeting to be over fine.22:26
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: you didn't yet post your vote on the rules yet22:26
DocScrutinizer05I did22:27
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-17 21:00:43] <DocScrutinizer05> I haven't checked those rules. And I just vote like qwazix22:27
merlin1991so the next step is to publish them22:28
chem|stmerlin1991: meeting minutes in mail...22:28
merlin1991and mut segfaults ...22:28
chem|stlol22:28
chem|stpaste bin you rc file...22:29
chem|sttypo is usually the case22:29
merlin1991second launch and it ran22:29
chem|sthmmm22:29
chem|stok outa here... qwazix query me for help if needed22:30
thedead1440ok with minutes from me22:30
merlin1991+122:31
qwazixchem|st, I still can't publish to blog22:32
chem|stqwazix: ok I do ML you do talk?22:32
qwazixI think it's better the other way around22:32
chem|stboth minutes then22:32
chem|stok22:32
qwazixok22:33
chem|stannounce opening of nominations again with process in mail22:33
thedead1440so meeting end?22:33
chem|stpls22:33
chem|st21:26 < chem|st> so you want the meeting to be over fine.22:33
thedead1440ok thanks22:33
chem|st:)22:33
* thedead1440 is outta here. Good night(evening) all ;)22:34
qwazixchem|st, I didn't get that22:34
qwazix>>announce ... mail <<22:34
chem|stannounce the process in an extra mail with different subject so people actually read it22:35
qwazixok22:36
chem|stqwazix: note I missed to change the date to 1722:38
DocScrutinizer05I strongly recommend to have woody proofread any such announcement22:38
qwazixchem|st, I changed the subject to "Maemo Community Council and Hildon Foundation Councile meeting minutes for Friday 17 May 2013"22:39
qwazixI think DocScrutinizer05 is right, shall I mail it to Woody14619 and publish it tomorrow?22:39
qwazix(announcement, not minutes)22:40
qwazixBoD elections are for the 26th right?22:40
DocScrutinizer05we already had such an announcement and we got bashed as gangsters for it22:41
chem|stqwazix: sent it again, some typos fixed + date22:41
DocScrutinizer05I won't take a second such bashing22:41
qwazixchem|st, :nod:22:42
DocScrutinizer05last announcement been in coordination with Woody14619a22:42
DocScrutinizer05this one is in coordination with / after thoroughly checking bylaws by ... whom?22:42
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, bashing came from one person.22:43
DocScrutinizer05yes22:43
DocScrutinizer05and that been sufficient22:43
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Win7Mac+1 woody proofreading it before posting!22:44
DocScrutinizer05so, to avoid a socond such bashing/failure to initiate proper BoD elections, we had several days of discussing and drafting a plan how to establish the BoD elections in a way that can't get bashed again22:45
chem|sthttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9014322:45
chem|stwell let woody announce it, sounds a good idea to me22:46
DocScrutinizer05the referendum and the MMC/HFC elections and all the rest been a result of those discussions22:46
DocScrutinizer05MCC*22:46
chem|stminutes up on forums^^22:46
qwazixminutes up on ML too22:47
chem|stqwazix: teamwork I like ;)22:49
chem|stqwazix: shorter subject needed!22:49
chem|st:)22:49
DocScrutinizer05the idea (well one of the ideas) behind that plot been: HFC gets elected and established before Nomination period for BoD election ends, and HFC approves retroactively what been announced and initiated by MCC regarding BoD elections. Based on that idea Woody14619a changed the date of BoD voting in vote engine22:49
qwazixDo I write up an BoD election announcement and sendit to council and Woody for approval?22:50
chem|stWoody14619a: ^^ get a hand on it22:50
chem|stqwazix: let woody do it, he's our native tongue and he has access to the election engine22:51
DocScrutinizer05while I edited http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2013#Election_timetable accordingly22:51
chem|stright22:51
chem|stmay I drink beer now?22:52
chem|st:)22:52
qwazixok, beer for me too22:53
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: please do not be so distressed, we need your brains here and you should have come to knowledge that I do not let you down over the past years, right?22:53
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: ((<qwazix> Do I write up an... anouncement)) sounds good to me, but such announcement probably has topmost topic along the lines "we (HFC) provide those (<URL>) eligibility rules for (the next) BoD election and approve the already started (by MCC) BoD elections as in line with those rules and intentions of HFC, and thus as legit. Therefor the nomination period for said BoD elections will end on 2013-05-21 23:59... bla23:34
DocScrutinizer05bla voting starts bla bla".  Then it's up to BoD to officially *announce* the elections in accordance with what HFC has set up and published/provided, by forwarding this HFC announcement and amending it by own wording to the effect of following the process as described by HFC and initiate BoD elections by BoD itself.23:34
qwazixhmm23:35
qwazixokay23:36
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