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| * MentalistTraceur waves. | 21:02 | |
| * Woody14619 waves. | 21:03 | |
| qwazix | hi all | 21:03 |
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| qwazix | Hi Woody14619, welcome back :) | 21:04 |
| qwazix | I don't know what's appropriate to say in english when somebody is recovering so I'm gonna say it in my language, Περαστικά! (perastika) | 21:04 |
| Woody14619 | only half-way back really, but yeah. doing well. :) | 21:05 |
| kerio | Woody14619: wooo | 21:06 |
| kerio | you're not dead! | 21:06 |
| kerio | yay! :D | 21:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | Congrats on a (presumably) succesful surgery Woody14619! | 21:07 |
| Woody14619 | lol.. well, yes... I wasn't expecting to be dead. :P | 21:07 |
| Woody14619 | yup.. still recovering @ home, but no longer bed ridden, so that's a plus. | 21:07 |
| * Drathir welcome too and wish fast comback to full health... | 21:10 | |
| Woody14619 | so... what's been up? anything fun? | 21:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | We announced elections... | 21:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | ..I presume you know that tho. | 21:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | Since it went out over everything. | 21:14 |
| kerio | the big red button was pressed! | 21:14 |
| qwazix | Interestingly there has been very little noise over that | 21:15 |
| * qwazix is wondering why | 21:15 | |
| Woody14619 | well, probably because there's only one person that disagrees with it, and he's too busy to have a one hour 3-way call... yet alone keep up on current events. | 21:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | What's his face, I am blanking on his name... | 21:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | SD69.. | 21:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | Rob! | 21:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | That one. | 21:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | He's using this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1281896&postcount=104 | 21:17 |
| * Woody14619 wanders off to find the pain meds.... it's 18 past time to take them & am feeling it already. :P | 21:18 | |
| MentalistTraceur | To argue that the board only needs to pick a new director(s) within 7 days. | 21:18 |
| MentalistTraceur | Instead of to actually have them accept the appointment. | 21:18 |
| MentalistTraceur | ÐSaid argument by him is here: | 21:19 |
| MentalistTraceur | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89438&page=4 | 21:19 |
| MentalistTraceur | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89438 (same link without the page=4 stuff.) | 21:19 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Since people might have the forum set to use different pagination than by the default 10 posts) | 21:20 |
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| kerio | fucking bullshit lawyering | 21:22 |
| Woody14619 | "I'm not against elections", but then states he is... Reguardless... not something that matters right now. | 21:26 |
| Woody14619 | soo.. is there a meeting? or? :) and any word on people running yet? | 21:30 |
| qwazix | No, nobody yet... | 21:31 |
| Woody14619 | should probably ask chemist to sticky the announcement & put up a banner... | 21:31 |
| qwazix | Regarding meeting I don't know if we have to do something immediately, I suppose we need to start sending out ballots | 21:31 |
| Woody14619 | draw some attention to it.... ballots would do that. :) | 21:32 |
| qwazix | so how do we do send out the ballots? I admit that I didn't log in to the maemo vote infra... | 21:32 |
| Woody14619 | on the thing about karma, anyone figured out how to turn on those plugins? | 21:33 |
| qwazix | Ah, about that we decided that we'll allow voting for everyone with account older than 3 weeks (MentalistTraceur correct me please) and calculate karma manually for candidates | 21:34 |
| Woody14619 | sending ballots to the last electorate is easy... adding those from past 6 months (well, 6 to 3 months ago), harder. | 21:34 |
| * qwazix goes to check on the number of weeks | 21:34 | |
| MentalistTraceur | Woody14619: No one looked at the plugins as far as I know. | 21:35 |
| qwazix | 3 *months*, not weeks | 21:35 |
| Woody14619 | weeks? I'd think 3 month rule would still apply, reguardless, yes? at least 3 months from TMO sign up if the worry is garage was down > 3? | 21:35 |
| Woody14619 | ah.. ok. :) | 21:35 |
| Woody14619 | actually, there should be very few "new" accounts in 6 month period we're addressing. so... and candidate calculation should be easy.. | 21:37 |
| qwazix | And there's a clause that if somebody wants to be able to vote he can send us a mail and accept him | 21:37 |
| qwazix | if he couldn't create m.o accound due to migration for example but has tmo account with reasonable activity | 21:37 |
| qwazix | *account | 21:38 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, are you around? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:39 |
| Woody14619 | sounds reasonable. one can assume if someone made an accout 4 months ago on tmo... they would have made one on m.o too... | 21:39 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I hope you're not still pissed at us | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hope on | 21:41 |
| * Woody14619 loves the new battery pack... | 21:41 | |
| Woody14619 | lol. :) now what happened? | 21:41 |
| qwazix | We had a disagreement regarding the signing off of the election announcement | 21:42 |
| MentalistTraceur | Just for the record, based on the discussion in the private admin channel, the removal of *patch packages from extras and extras-testing has finally been implemented. | 21:42 |
| MentalistTraceur | Woody14619: You can read the logs of this channel from Saturday. | 21:42 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyway: anyone have anything for the agenda for today? | 21:43 |
| qwazix | I'd just would like woody to tell us how to send ballots out | 21:44 |
| qwazix | unless this isn't our job | 21:44 |
| Woody14619 | any of council can do it... log in, check the letter template for the referendum (which is already semi-written up) then select mass mail tokens. | 21:45 |
| Woody14619 | all 3 of you should have gotten an email with an account, passwd, and link on the 4th. | 21:46 |
| Woody14619 | or 3rd? before friday. :) | 21:46 |
| MentalistTraceur | Just fyi, where to go to change the password was unclear. | 21:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | (I figured it out, and I think everyone did, | 21:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | but it was a bit unintuitive) | 21:47 |
| qwazix | okay then who's gonna do it and when? | 21:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ballots have to go out in the week or so before the voting, right? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: vote IF is defunct | 21:48 |
| Woody14619 | should probably fall to Chair (MT?) but, should be fine | 21:49 |
| Woody14619 | how so Docscrutinizer05? | 21:49 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oh, Ivan reports he still gets some emails intended for Board. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "create new electoreate" or similar froze, and another elementary link doesn't link to the supposed page | 21:50 |
| Woody14619 | it will take 3 or 4 days to mail all tokens out... | 21:50 |
| Woody14619 | so it should happen sooner than later... just fyi | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I wasn't even able to select the right election in first page, no matter what I selected, I got sth different in the end | 21:51 |
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| Woody14619 | the create new electorate is trying to do a db hit to something it can't get to yet. | 21:51 |
| Woody14619 | that's semi still a work in progress... | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I tried to make tokens go out and had no idea how | 21:52 |
| Woody14619 | the rest should all work fine. I did note it's still 90%. considering till last week this was all sql commands from a root account... | 21:52 |
| Woody14619 | you need to sel | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (incl the mandatory preliminary checks of electorate, template, etc) | 21:53 |
| Woody14619 | you need to select the referendum, then the make/send tokens option & hit next.... | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I first wanted to check to WHOM it would send tokens. And even then, I think I ended on a wrong page wehn I tried what you suggested | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I got stuck | 21:54 |
| Woody14619 | since the referendum is first, I only made a mail template for it, | 21:54 |
| Woody14619 | so it's the only one capable of sending tokens right now. | 21:55 |
| Woody14619 | the rest will bitch about needing a template. | 21:55 |
| Woody14619 | but the goal was to send one email for all 3 I thought... so... only made one template & cloned tokens for the other 2 elections. | 21:56 |
| Woody14619 | this is why I wanted to walk someone through this before I was out. :) | 21:56 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hello? | 22:02 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Did the chat just go silent, or am I experiencing the thing where I stop seeing what gets said?) | 22:03 |
| Woody14619 | sigh... even half the dose is too strong.... | 22:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | (And by just I mean for the last 6 minutes or so) | 22:03 |
| Woody14619 | looks like I'm off in a bit. But.. I'll try to update the wiki page tonight or tomorrow. | 22:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | Woody14619: I take it you're referring to the pain meds? | 22:03 |
| Woody14619 | no doc, just went quiet. and yes, meds make me sleepy. :P | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway [2013-04-12 20:49:10] <Woody14619> should probably fall to Chair (MT?) but, should be fine | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems I've put a checmark on every item of my todo list for last week | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: we installed certs on ~3/4 of *.maemo.org | 22:09 |
| MentalistTraceur | Weren't we going to keep token generation/sending postponed until people had a chance to say they should be eligible to vote (until the 15th, specifically, which admittedly is almost upon us)? | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ??? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what you were going | 22:12 |
| Woody14619 | we can add people after, just the interface isn't quite ready for that yet... (adding people on the fly) the underlying php is, just not the admin interface. | 22:13 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: Question marks alone don't indicate enough about what you are indicating you have a questionng reaction to. Woody14619: Okay, that answers that. All: disregard my previous statement. | 22:14 |
| Woody14619 | I would err toward sending earlier & adding as needed. worst case, we can add people as needed & they can request their token via the remail token support page. | 22:15 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah, now that I know people can be added later independently, I agree. | 22:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | (I might've had this explained to me last time this was discussed - if so, my apologies for forgetting.) | 22:17 |
| Woody14619 | no biggie... will work on documenting tonight if I can after the meds wear down a bit. :P | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | Woody14619: [OT] Glad to hear you're well [/OT] | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 20:49:53] <MentalistTraceur> DocScrutinizer05: Beat me to it. I was typing this, lol: So are we in agreement on: 1. Everyone with a *.m.o account, from, say 2 weeks ago or earlier, is eligible to vote. 2. If they registered that account later but feel they should be eligible, they can contact the Council (I am okay with saying "either via mail or via response to the official thread were this announcement is ... | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 20:49:59] <MentalistTraceur> ... posted", and 3. candidates still have to meet karma requirements, but we'll compute those by hand (so people should nominate even if they don't see a sufficiently high karma number on the website)? | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 22:21:08] <DocScrutinizer05> we can even process inquiries during voting gone live | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 22:21:18] <DocScrutinizer05> until voting closes ;-) | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 22:21:58] <DocScrutinizer05> but at a certain point in time we'll just say "sorry, my schedule and speed of internet forbids this application to ever succeed" | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 22:23:02] <MentalistTraceur> *Nod* Biggest thing is that as stated by Woody, we want to clone the voting tokens across the three votes (referendum, council election, board election), and it doesn't allow cloning tokens after referendum voting goes live. | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 22:24:08] <DocScrutinizer05> well, it doesn't allow cloning *all* tokens since some might already have been used up and thus vanished | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-05 22:24:32] <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't forbid *adding* a token for each of the three tables manually | 22:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | *Nod* Okay. Thank you for the reminder. | 22:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, so I'll try to figure out the system for sending tokens tonight / this weekend, but just fair warning, I have very little spare time lately, so IDK how succesful I'll be. | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you had enough time to read about the requirements that need to be fulfilled before that engine starts sending out mails to everybody | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since sending out 60k mails without a correct template is about as useless as... working two days on a nice announcement with all the correct details in it, just to miss out on two words in signature | 22:32 |
| MentalistTraceur | I have not read that, yet (unless I did and I'm just not associating it with what you said.) And while I appreciate statements that needlessly aggrevate the discussion as much as any other guy, I am going to just point out that it's easier to just refer me directly to what requirements you are talking about (i.e. where they are documented) so that I may most expediently find them and ... | 22:34 |
| MentalistTraceur | ... review them. | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/ would do | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might serve as "documentation" for a lot of things | 22:42 |
| MentalistTraceur | So the stuff said today? The stuff said last meeting? The one before that? If it was when I was here on IRC, then yes, I read all of it. Whether I remember the exact requirements to be fulfilled you refer to, is what I'm trying to figure out. | 22:42 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, what are you talking about? | 22:42 |
| qwazix | cloning of tokens? | 22:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | If you mean, like qwazix suggested, that the tokens need to be cloned /before/ being sent, ideally (or at least before the election goes live and they start being un-clonable), then yes, I remember that. | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-12 20:56:09] <Woody14619> but the goal was to send one email for all 3 I thought... so... only made one template & cloned tokens for the other 2 elections. | 22:46 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay. Yes, that is indeed something I had time to read and presently remember, to answer your original "I hope you..." comment. | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so ^^^^ see above quote of a part of the "documentation" you asked for | 22:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders ... what to actually wonder | 22:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* - overrule me | 22:49 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'm not sure why you felt the need to say "I hope you had time to read..." comment, about something that was said this very meeting. I would not have been thinking you were referring to something documented/mentioned elsewhere and elsewhen, had you made it clear you were making a jab about my lack of time remark. | 22:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | Whatever. It seems we are basically done with this topic as far as council business goes. Anything else anyone has for this meeting? | 22:52 |
| qwazix | I don't think we have something else. If you need help with the ballot business ping or mail | 22:54 |
| qwazix | (Not that I am in any way expert in the matter, but 2 heads are better than one) | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead show me how to use voting interface right. I've been too stupid to figure, as I explained *in this meeting*. Go ahead and start to send out tokens tonight, even before woody had time to update the wiki page as he announced *in this meeting* | 22:54 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: I said I'd try to figure it out. Not that I'd go sending shit immediately. | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>I'll try to figure out the system for sending tokens tonight / this weekend<< rrrrright | 22:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yes. I will attempt to figure out how the system works tonight, where the system happens to be the system that sends the tokens. Not that I will try to figure out the system with the intent of sending tokens tonight. | 22:59 |
| MentalistTraceur | I understand that English is a moronically ambiguous language, so I can understand how my meaning was unclear. | 22:59 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay, so I guess the meeting is adjourned. Thank you all for coming. | 23:05 |
| qwazix | Goodbye everybody | 23:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'll stay signed on for another 10 minutes or so if there's anything else, then I'll be on/off connected to IRC for the rest of the day. | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: we finally had some progress with transferring scratchbox.org domain to our control and infra | 23:19 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oh, right, thank you for the reminder (I was just about to log off). That's worth having noted for the record. | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so while you're supposed to already be able to access scratchbox.maemo.org, in a few days scratchbox.org should also work again - finally. Thanks to thedead1440 | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also thanks to merlin1991 and DocScrutinizer05 for a tad of help with setting stuff up | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, we have no scratchbox.m.o DNS | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so... | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so while you're supposed to already be able to access 213.128.137.24, in a few days scratchbox.org should also work again - finally. Thanks to thedead1440 | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | cool | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and ~75% of certs got fixed | 23:25 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what with SNI? will it be possible for wiki? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare will look into it | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once we own maemo.org domain, we can get a wildcard cert and that should fix those issues | 23:28 |
| Pali | right, wildcard cert *.maemo.org with second name maemo.org should fix it | 23:29 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, have infra servers ipv6 connectivity? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which brings me to another rant: When The F**** will HiFo sign the contract with Nokia? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: not yet | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: but we're required to fix that, IPHH demands us to provide IPv6 | 23:31 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ok, because ipv6 could fix ssl problems too (but only for ipv6 users) | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prod warfare about it ;-D | 23:31 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay, signing out. I will hopefully be back online shortly. | 23:32 |
| Pali | so SNI or ipv6 :-) | 23:32 |
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| Pali | or wildcard cert | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://roundup.fourecks.de/maemo/issue17 | 23:39 |
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