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| timsamoff | Good morning. | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Tim | 19:58 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hello. | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hi MentalistTraceur | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: you're here? | 19:59 |
| timsamoff | Unfortunately, I've only got about 15-minutes this morning (sorry, but I teach at 18:30 UTC). I don't know how much it will impact anything at this point, though. | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems Rob has appointed Woody14619 and some other new guy for successors of Tim and Ivan | 20:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oh, he already did? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm basically fine with this, for an interim "fix" until we got a proper solution to the whole messed up situation | 20:01 |
| timsamoff | Yes. The other guy (Jim Jagielski) is very reputable, but not of Maemo. | 20:01 |
| kerio | >not on maemo | 20:01 |
| kerio | >hildon foundation | 20:01 |
| timsamoff | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jagielski | 20:01 |
| kerio | *of | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good to hear he's reputable, when you tell us so, Tim | 20:01 |
| kerio | so that would bring the hildon foundation board to a 66.(6)% of people who don't use a n900 | 20:02 |
| timsamoff | Outside voices are good sometimes, but I'm not sure about this point in time. (imho) | 20:02 |
| timsamoff | But, maybe it will be good. | 20:03 |
| timsamoff | Woddy's input would be appreciated. | 20:03 |
| timsamoff | And, I wish that Iván was here too. | 20:03 |
| timsamoff | Suffice to say, having Woody on the Board (if he accepts) is a huge benefit. | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think we should strive for elections ASAP | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to put HiFo on solid feet again | 20:04 |
| thedead1440 | also an outsider who may not very well understand the dynamics of the current issues facing maemo is not too advisable. | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until then I'm fine with the setup for now | 20:05 |
| timsamoff | A big issue: last election brought very few nominees. | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's my personal take on it | 20:05 |
| timsamoff | Would it be different this time? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 20:05 |
| MentalistTraceur | kerio: Rob used an N8x0, though, iirc. So it's not like he isn't a maemo person. Just the use of an N900 specifically isn't an inherent problem. Anyway, looking over the wikipedia page for this Jim Jagielski guy, he has been involved in FOSS project a lot before. Even if he doesn't understand the exact issues we face, he brings in what I imagine would be useful experience (and perhaps ... | 20:05 |
| MentalistTraceur | ... connections) to the table. | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: ping | 20:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/the use/the non-use/ | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: ping | 20:06 |
| timsamoff | So, worst case... Jagielski is appointed after an unsuccessful election. | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | pong | 20:06 |
| timsamoff | And, it's not such a "bad" case. | 20:06 |
| timsamoff | @GeneralAntilles, what's your take on all of this? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: what's your take on that? E.G. would you be willing to throw your hat in the ring for next HiFo elections? | 20:07 |
| timsamoff | <g> | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | My worry is that there seems to be a lot of energy spent in unfocused non-Maemo directions. | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, at this point, probably not. | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trying to avoid my tendency towards over commitment. | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's hard to blame others for not doing anything the "right way" when you're not willing to step up and make it better | 20:08 |
| timsamoff | Btw, to be clear -- especially in a public record like this -- the HF commitment is a huge one. | 20:09 |
| timsamoff | So, anyone who does commit should be commended -- even someone from the outside of Maemo. | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timsamoff: so what's your suggestion to proceed? | 20:09 |
| timsamoff | I think Woody is a fine appointment... If he ran for election, I think he would be elected. | 20:10 |
| timsamoff | I think an election should proceed. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think so as well | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, *shrug* | 20:10 |
| timsamoff | I think that if it turns up uneventful, then Jim Jagielski is an adequate appointment. | 20:10 |
| timsamoff | But, I'd rather open it to the comunity furst. | 20:10 |
| timsamoff | :yikes: | 20:11 |
| timsamoff | Community first. | 20:11 |
| timsamoff | Always. | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: ping | 20:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | My thoughts personally are: jim jagielski looks like a good person to have on board, enough so that I'd be okay with him serving out the remainder of the time tim would have served until council initiate elections for ourselves (and Board along with us). What we really don't want is to have entirely new people replacing all of the Board when they're in the middle of negotiations with ... | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, from my POV we got a council election due in ~8 weeks anyway aiui. We can force HiFo election at that point the latest. However I suggest HiFo themselves strive for HiFo election asap | 20:13 |
| MentalistTraceur | ... Nokia. | 20:13 |
| MentalistTraceur | That said, I am pretty strongly in agreement with tim's last comment of "get the community's opinions" as well. | 20:14 |
| timsamoff | Yes. | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how will we do this "get community's opinions"? | 20:15 |
| timsamoff | Tmo seems to be the primary mode of communication now. | 20:15 |
| MentalistTraceur | Since Council elections are coming up, like Joerg pointed out, in at the next month or two anyway, it's not like we'd be waiting all that long. | 20:15 |
| timsamoff | I need to go. I hope this is enough input from me. Please always look to the community first and communicate broadly. The community will make it through a lot of lows in this way. Closing community opinion off will break the community even with servers and hosting and all the money in the world. | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timsamoff: many thanks for your dedication to HiFo in the past months and for joining us here | 20:16 |
| timsamoff | Good luck. I'll be around. | 20:16 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 20:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: I've always percieved going on TMO to make a thread to be a viable and expected (by those who mainly use the forum) approach to gauging community opinions. | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya :-) | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: no objections | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wish Woody14619 was responsive | 20:17 |
| Woody14619 | sorry, was away, reading backlog now | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah here you are :-D | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok we'll give you 5min to read backscroll | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I be afk for preparing another coffee | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw, qwazix, you here? | 20:19 |
| Woody14619 | FWIW: I already accepted the nomination on the thread Rob announced it on. I've had no official offer via e-mail yet. | 20:19 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay. Shall I write up a draft of a thread to post for presenting the current situation and send it to the rest of council? | 20:19 |
| Woody14619 | K, am caught up. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: "the rest of council" is just qwazix ;-) So I think it's fine when we just discuss our future steps on next official council meeting in 3 days | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, sorry | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you mean for kicking off that tmo thread | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah that sounds perfect | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also include Woody14619 in CC please | 20:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yep, that's what I meant. Okay, will do. | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: great! :-D | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: what's your take on it? | 20:23 |
| Woody14619 | My take on what? The appointment? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go for HiFo re-elections ASAP? Preferrably driven by HiFo themselves, or if that fails then council will force it 4 weeks later? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless community thinks otherwise | 20:24 |
| MentalistTraceur | I don't mind including Woody14619 in CC, but then I'd be tempted to just include Rob as well (after all, there's no reason he should react negatively to us wanting to gather community input. | 20:25 |
| MentalistTraceur | ) | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 20:25 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay, great. Gonna get started on that now then. | 20:25 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Still keeping an eye on this meeting obv.) | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll discuss the CC on the fly, send first draft to council only | 20:26 |
| Woody14619 | I'm going to push for elections, yes. I know Rob will resist. I think community input will be on my side. So long as an election would not negativly impact the transfer with Nokia, I don't see it as an issue. | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: noticed my suggestion in 3 lines up post? | 20:26 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yes. | 20:26 |
| MentalistTraceur | "..discuss cc on the fly.." I presume you mean? | 20:27 |
| Woody14619 | I think, given the mid-March deadline with Nokia/Nemian holding one with Council as a joint election would be preferable. | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: yep, exactly | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: ack | 20:29 |
| Woody14619 | Please do CC me on stuff going to Board (and/or Council where appropriate) until I get on the alias for the list. Given the state of things, that may be a while? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also think that HiFo bylaws been tailored to be flexible and vague to be applicable to unforseeable developments of situation in the future. The more important it will be for any future HiFo election that candidates clearly explain their idea of "the mission of HiFo", in line with GeneralAntilles and many other community members' concerns regarding that | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: tech staff is swift in handling such requests | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on how long it takes board to request any mail alias change | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw maemo isn't in charge for board @hildonfoundation.org mail alias | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yesterday we made board@m.o an alais just pointing to the former | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's entirely up to... Tim(?) now | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k, I think we got a consensus? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I take that as a "yes" and afk now | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: thanks! | 20:39 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Sorry, was focused on the device I have gmail opened in: yeah, seems we do. | 20:41 |
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| qwazix | sorry guys for absense, reading backscroll now | 21:46 |
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