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| DocScrutinizer05 | (trying to) postpone meeting 30 minutes to 18:30UTC, since ivgalvez won't attend, MT will be late, and I also have problems making it in time | 19:36 |
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| kerio | wait, it's 18:40 now | 19:40 |
| kerio | ...i am the dumb - timezones | 19:41 |
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| kerio | xes: your ip is showing | 20:00 |
| thedead1440 | since now is the "official" time for Council meeting; DocScrutinizer05 has asked me to announce that he will be late for meeting my 30 minutes. | 20:00 |
| thedead1440 | s/my/by/ | 20:00 |
| kerio | he also said that MT will be late too | 20:00 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, sorry, I went for a quick nap, I'm ok with postponing the meeting | 20:00 |
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| kerio | MentalistTraceur: doc said to postpone to 18:30 | 20:08 |
| MentalistTraceur | That wording suggests he has unilateral authority to do so. I don't mind, if no one else is here who wants to start now, though. either way, thanks for informing me. | 20:10 |
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| MentalistTraceur | That's 18:30 UTC, I presume? | 20:12 |
| kerio | yes | 20:12 |
| kerio | and actually my wording was wrong, he asked | 20:13 |
| thedead1440 | MentalistTraceur: On #maemo Doc posted: 01:36 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: could we postpone meeting 30 min please? Could you announce on #maemo-meeting in 26min? MT will be late, iv will be missing, i'm in a pinch with time <--- Doesn't seem unilateral now does it? :-) | 20:13 |
| kerio | and qwazix agreed | 20:13 |
| MentalistTraceur | thedead: correct, the actual quote doesn't seem unilateral at all. But all I had to go on was how kerio worded it. :) In other news: I had to connect over f'ing webclient again, because apparently T-Mobile USA can't just be a good dumb network provider for IRC traffic. | 20:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | And in my defence, I'm only like 8 minutes late. :P That's virtually punctual. | 20:15 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 20:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | Though I told council by e-mail I'll have a 20 minute or so gap of time during meeting when I might be unable to pay attention to IRC at all, | 20:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | so he might've thought I meant that that was going to be at the beginning of meeting, hence late, | 20:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | vs. in the middle of it. | 20:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | *Shrug* | 20:17 |
| thedead1440 | possible indeed | 20:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | Did I ever mention how much I hate mobile phone carriers? That's rhetorical, of course I have, but that's one of those topics where no amount of complaining about is enough. | 20:21 |
| kerio | MentalistTraceur: ssh -p 80 your_home_server | 20:22 |
| MentalistTraceur | At least as far as the USA ones go. I can't say I'm familiar with the rest of the world's. | 20:22 |
| MentalistTraceur | kerio: that presupposes I have a home server - as it happens I do, but only as of very recently. Also, at the moment, I don't have the time to figure out how to configure irssi to use the proxy connection thus formed, | 20:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | and for all I know I didn't even compile it right and it'll segfault when I try. | 20:24 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Currently it works swimmingly, except for when it's ran with command-line parameters, which it segfaults for all of.) | 20:25 |
| MentalistTraceur | But I will probably be doing just that for next meeting. | 20:25 |
| kerio | MentalistTraceur: you could use pop3s, it's my favourite known port to masquerade ssh | 20:26 |
| kerio | (tcp 995) | 20:26 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay, I have to AFK for the next 20 or so min. Hopefully I won't get disconnected in the meantime. | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then let's wait another 20min? fine with me | 20:29 |
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| qwazix | fine with me too | 20:35 |
| thedead1440 | time to twiddle thumbs then :-D | 20:36 |
| misterc__ | good day / evening | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | MentalistTraceur, that's also situation, when you may find proxy bounder usefull too | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | one configured to listen to you at port 80 should be enough to avoid t-mobile limitations | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | BTW what the heck is with usa providers, t-mobile in poland don't even think of smth like that, and they would be killed by laught, if they would try. | 20:39 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay, I'm back. | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | I've heard of such providers in france, that did it, when dinosaurs were young | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | ...and choice of mobile network providers thin | 20:40 |
| qwazix | Our providers even blocked 25 back in the day but now fortunately they have opened everything | 20:41 |
| MentalistTraceur | Well, they seem to work like some moronic proxy - irssi gives the have to connect with sasl authentication only error, or whatever. | 20:41 |
| qwazix | Vodafone however treats N900 like a dumbphone and redirects traffic through a wap-like proxy | 20:41 |
| MentalistTraceur | It's not that they're blocking it (though they do block icmp pings), they just... seem to do some wierd mitm/proxy shit with it. | 20:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ssh and stuff goes through fine, though, up until now I've been relatively happy with tmo. | 20:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | tmo = t-mobile, in that last line. | 20:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyway, Joerg, qwazix, ready to begin? | 20:44 |
| Estel_ | qwazix, I wonder, how they determine that? | 20:44 |
| Estel_ | oh, sorry, I'm out then | 20:44 |
| qwazix | ready | 20:45 |
| MentalistTraceur | My annoyance is more with the state of mobile carriers in the US in general, TMobile is one of the more tolerable ones, this is the first really bothersome thing. | 20:46 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: ping or something. | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 20:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'm done with my stuff. Ready to begin when you are. | 20:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 smiles happily, sipping his coffee and eating a sandwich | 20:48 | |
| MentalistTraceur | Thanks for waiting for me by the way, @ both of you. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wasn't able to make it in time either | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so.... | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | topics? | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or first chair declares meeting opened ;-) | 20:49 |
| MentalistTraceur | So, what's on the agenda? We had the whole discuss-referendum-regarding-council-and-Hi-Fo-bylaws thing slated, but I was hoping to read the bylaws again to refresh my memory, which I didn't get to. | 20:49 |
| qwazix | Topic: Denser meetings for next 3 weeks | 20:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | And woody nor ivan are here for that, and I thought they might have relevant input for that. | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody driving it then, I suggest postpone | 20:50 |
| qwazix | seconded | 20:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | qwazix: seconded, partiticularly as far as council/board-together meetings. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ##bullet: merlin1991 and woody new maintainers | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ##bullet: my weekly short report about state of migration | 20:53 |
| MentalistTraceur | As I proposed in that mail reply to what you (qwazix) sent out earlier - we should, I think, figure out a time when all of us can meet, board and council members alike, and do a weekly board/council meeting like that. | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ##subbullet: osuosl | 20:54 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, so let's do Joerg's stuff/bullets first. | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ##subbullet: iphh.de | 20:54 |
| MentalistTraceur | Since those are likely to require less in-depth discussion. | 20:54 |
| qwazix | MentalistTraceur, :nod: | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991 volunteered for maintainert of maemo repos. Ivgalvez gave yay (counts for board 100$, council 20%), me and qwazix gave yay, which makes 60% total for council. Officially accepted | 20:56 |
| merlin1991 | yay? | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/yay/OK/g | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: officially welcome! :-) | 20:57 |
| misterc__ | hello (?) | 20:58 |
| qwazix | hi misterc__ | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody volunteered to maintain whatever he could help with. He offered help for chem|st on lowe sysop task on talk, and also accepted assignment to garage, due to his background with midgard | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | approval of woody pending | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | speed vote by council: ok from me | 20:59 |
| qwazix | ok from me too | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: ? | 21:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | Did this (merlin acceptance) ever get brought or discussion in some way other than those-people-who-were-on-IRC-at-the-time-heard-about-it? I'd give him my approval from whaI I know (ditto for woody since we're voting on him now), but I don't recaaring of merlin's volunteering until now. | 21:00 |
| merlin1991 | I volunteered on irc | 21:01 |
| MentalistTraceur | Also, idk if this web-client splits text properly when it runs long, so if I seem cut-off, can someone please let me know? | 21:01 |
| qwazix | MentalistTraceur, it was just that Doc was asking us one by one, and when he reached 3 votes Merlin was automatically accepted | 21:01 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/recaaring/recall hearing/ | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: the approval by council is of course not valid of any of you rises concerns | 21:01 |
| MentalistTraceur | Fair enough @ Joerg's last statement. | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since any concern would stop a simple majority vote | 21:02 |
| qwazix | I think that this speed in decision making is what makes the difference | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just anticipated you'd accept and since we're in a pinch.... | 21:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | That's fair. | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all that's why I bring it up again today | 21:03 |
| qwazix | and I'd hate to become what I was whining about in today's mail | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, any concerns about woody or merlin1991? | 21:04 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, so I have no objections, and vote in favor of both as well. Do we still need board approval for woody? | 21:04 |
| qwazix | So I vote to continue in this style, majority vote ok when it happens, and final approval in next meeting. | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, we do | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I take one voice from board for the whole though | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since we have no means to check if they made a proper internal decision finding | 21:06 |
| qwazix | And since their meetings are once in a month or rarely we can't possibly wait so long | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, council approved both woody and merlin. Board approval for merlin pending | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: ack | 21:07 |
| qwazix | Board approval for *Woody* pending, no? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeeeek, "board approval for *woody* pending" | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see! I'm completely derailed already, after this today's madness | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, status: | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all servixes running on xen-grid. repo works and has legacy hashsum issues. Autobuilder defunct but since today Niels is working on it, according to Eero | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Merlin will look into repo hashsum issues this weekend, he said | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got an offer for free CoLo in Hamburg. warfare/Falk managed that | 21:10 |
| qwazix | wow | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would need shipping of iron from Finland to HH | 21:10 |
| qwazix | who's offering? | 21:11 |
| qwazix | And what does "free" mean exactly? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | free as in "no money asked for. Just proper credit" | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which we will give with a joyful feeling | 21:12 |
| kerio | :D | 21:12 |
| kerio | is this osuosl or something different? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osuosl: I talked with a guy from them 2 days ago on IRC, 1h ago he sent a copy of the mail thread between osuosl and khm/HiFo | 21:13 |
| MentalistTraceur | Well, that sounds good. I second qwazix's "who's offering" question, though. | 21:13 |
| qwazix | > IPHH, a ISP in Hamburg. Falk contacted them and they are willing to offer CoLo basically free of charge. Of course we will put their name on our maemo.org frontpage to give due credit. HW service will be done by Falk. (costs ~300EUR for setup and HW upgrade, plus 50..300EUR for shipping the server to Hamburg) | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: osuosl is in Ohio | 21:13 |
| misterc__ | http://www.iphh.net/ | 21:14 |
| qwazix | Sorry for asking again, but network companies always like to hide costs behind the free curtain. Does it mean free rackspace AND free power/bandwidth? | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this osuosl thing went pretty haywire, since khm asked for colocation and put HiFo instead council and me in CC | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: yes | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: those are friends of Falk, 3 bus stations from where he lives, and are maemons | 21:16 |
| kerio | so with IPHH we'd have our own sysop working on the actual hardware? neat | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | Would this approach mean we'd no longer be selling the hardware we are getting? | 21:16 |
| kerio | heh, i suppose the n900 density *is* much higher in places like datacenters | 21:16 |
| qwazix | Final question: What's HW upgrade? | 21:16 |
| qwazix | as in > costs ~300EUR for setup and HW upgrade, | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with osuosl we need to negotiate if they could offer rootservers as well, since CoLo in USA seems a bit... far from EU for shipping the server and doing hw service | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also Robert of HiFo today said they'd charge 250/month | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: obviously | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: warfare said he'd like to have 2TB plus | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HDD | 21:18 |
| qwazix | I second that | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he'd retrofit those | 21:19 |
| qwazix | Maybe even more. I feel that extras should keep more old versions but that's another discussion | 21:19 |
| misterc__ | 2TB plus like in additional 2TB? | 21:19 |
| qwazix | AIUI yes | 21:20 |
| misterc__ | so how much is available now? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2TB | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 21:20 |
| misterc__ | => 4TB ? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, 2 + 2 = 4 | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need a few more drives for backup | 21:21 |
| kerio | except that it's more like 3.8TiB :( | 21:21 |
| qwazix | RAID'ed of course, so 2 + 2 = 2 :) | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that sums up to the quoted ~300 bucks | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl one workday of Falk and 2 crates of beer for those of IPHH helping him | 21:22 |
| MentalistTraceur | Okay. I presume/home this won't cause hard feelings between the other volunteers we had interested in helping, but this seems like a really good situation for us either way. One thing I'd worry abth a free offer, is what happens when those people making it no longer work there and someone in theirmanagement decides to get rid of thisbox sitting around or else charge for it. | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our evaluations/esimations are: 98% probablility for downtimes <24h, in case of hw failure | 21:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/home/hope/ | 21:24 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/abth/about/ | 21:24 |
| misterc__ | 2nd that ? | 21:24 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ugh, microB swallows key-presses way too much. | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll get a 'contract' running for one year. We talk to sem in time before that contract exoires | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | expires* | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | them* | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 21:25 |
| misterc__ | fair'nough | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok for you? | 21:25 |
| MentalistTraceur | It's all good Joerg, my typo-rate is making everyone else look good right now no matter how many mistakes they make. :) | 21:25 |
| qwazix | I find that a very good solution | 21:25 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, sounds good to me. | 21:26 |
| MentalistTraceur | I move we recommend that as the course of action to pursue to the Board. | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so our 3rd and last resort is Hetzner: will cost us ~300/month, plu ssetup fees | 21:26 |
| qwazix | So we ship before unboxing? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: I'd still be willing to talk to osuosl more, since it was only 2h ago I got to know about the whole case's details | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: probably | 21:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: eu > us, though | 21:28 |
| kerio | and having our own hardware would be really good | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nah | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no eu > us for anything material | 21:28 |
| MentalistTraceur | Willing to talk more, sure, but we can still recommend it as a "ATM best solution we have" to them. | 21:28 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, maybe we could use OSUOSL for static, firmware downloads and other big things which are not necessarily interconnected with the rest of maemo.org | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osuosl is an option only for them providing root servers | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or VM | 21:29 |
| kerio | qwazix: we don't need that, there's free CDNs for that | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: no way I'll tell such stuff to HiFo, you never know what they make of it | 21:29 |
| qwazix | kerio, free CDN's? | 21:29 |
| MentalistTraceur | FYI, American government considers it legal for their law enforcement to wiretap all communications that cross their national borders. | 21:29 |
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| kerio | no, CDNs without the saxon genitive :) - content distribution networks | 21:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | Without warrants, probable cause, any acocuntability to public, etc. | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need that since our infra running fine *right* *now* | 21:30 |
| qwazix | MentalistTraceur, especially if it contains foreigners data | 21:30 |
| kerio | static files that are downloaded more often are only downloaded a handful of times from our servers and then cached in bigass distributed networks | 21:30 |
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| qwazix | kerio, I know what CDN's are, I just don't know any free one | 21:31 |
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| kerio | qwazix: coralcdn, cloudflare | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: I'm also not happy with US based hosting, but that won't rule out osuosl | 21:31 |
| kerio | and yeah, it runs fine right now | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't have any sekrit data, we're FOSS | 21:31 |
| MentalistTraceur | So I would strongly prefer an EU hosting approach on principle. I agree that it shouldn't rule it out, just that it should be remembered. | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: believe me, I'll remember it | 21:32 |
| qwazix | kerio, ack | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm doing nothing else since 8 weeks, litearlly 24/7 | 21:32 |
| misterc__ | 2nd DocScrutinizer05 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare also prefers the IPHH approach | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just don't rule out anything (unlike board </rant>) | 21:33 |
| misterc__ | o, i understood that US would only be for firmware (?) | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | misterc__: nope | 21:34 |
| misterc__ | thus MO going to HH | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | misterc__: please read http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 21:34 |
| MentalistTraceur | Btw: It's not about secrets, it's about innocent users having their privacy and PMs and stuff respected. If someone PMs their paypal info to someone else, and tsomeone else happens to have a username vaguelly similar to some terrorist suspect, there's unfortunate possible reprecussions. But I agree, free/cheep hosting is not to be discounted, we can't afford to be too picky atm. | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again my call to collect all *existing* maintainers we got, for wiki, bugs ( andre), planet, what else | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have no comprehensive list of those | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: we basically have no PM | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for talk, and i'd *strongly* advice not to use _that_ for this type of stuff anyway | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *@maemo.org is email via maemo.org | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but meh, lusers using gmail | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so why would *we* worry about secrecy of maemo.org based mails | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're maemo.org, not a mail provider advertising 100% security | 21:39 |
| qwazix | It's more of a principle anyway, nothing to hide is not a good excuse to provide info | 21:39 |
| qwazix | but anyway it doesn't very much apply to maemo.org | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I'd love to discuss this topic 5h... tomorrow | 21:40 |
| qwazix | Let's move on | 21:40 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, agreed. | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just you completely nuked my script now | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I assume I'm done, until I recall all the stuff I forgot | 21:41 |
| qwazix | You're jus | 21:41 |
| qwazix | strike that | 21:41 |
| misterc__ | so the plannned / schedules / whatever part of the meeting is over? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we should discuss what's role of HiFo and relation between HiFo and council? | 21:42 |
| qwazix | What is there to discuss? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not really appreciating sd69 giving orders to council, like "please call Mr XY and check how much they charge for Z" | 21:43 |
| misterc__ | i start to suspect that it got lost in the Ether, but i once e-mailed about helping out for sysop tasks (?) | 21:44 |
| misterc__ | is this still a topic or have all needs been covered meanwhile? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also I wonder why sd69 even needs to know about technical details of migration or a particular provider like osuosl. After all HiFo clearly gave "order" to *council* to do the complete migration planning | 21:44 |
| qwazix | misterc__, did you email council@maemo.org? Because that was out for some weeks and is still out for us using gmail | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | misterc__: please stand by, I'll query you in 30 min | 21:45 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, that is something that should be discussed when board is present too IMO | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | misterc__: I'm your contact, and I'm here on IRC | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: :nod: no use in ranting again about it | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now it seems we have to live with HiFo the way it is | 21:47 |
| qwazix | Which brings us to the board-council meeting matter | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just too busy to write long emails like you both guys did today | 21:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | I think we should all coordinate a time for Board/Council meetings to be scheduled on, preferably a time not on a work-day. | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess I can't change HiFo's practice _not_ to invire me to meetings like this afternoon with Nokia and Nemein, no matter what I or any of you say | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | invite* | 21:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | But now that I think about it, we are pretty much stuck finding a meeting time Board members find workable - if they don't show, we're still screwed, and to know what works for them, we have to wait for their e-mail replies to that one ongoing mail thread. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: exactly | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so... ->futile | 21:49 |
| qwazix | MentalistTraceur, mark my words, it'll take a week | 21:49 |
| MentalistTraceur | About to walk into room where cell signal might not make it. | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just let me quote that info ivgalvez shared today... | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moment please | 21:50 |
| qwazix | I still think we have to schedule another meeting for the coming weeks, mid-week, informal so that it doesn't add bureaucratic burden | 21:51 |
| qwazix | when final maemo.org is in place we can revert to weekly meetings | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | assuming this isn't any NDA'ed info, I'll spam the channel a bit | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | A brief summary from latest conference with Nokia representative and Nemein. | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - Autobuilder is being worked ATM by Niels, should be working soon. | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - DNS transference. To be started, I'll send an email including Nokia | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | representative and Nemein to start the process. | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - downloads.maemo.nokia.com problems. They were not aware about the | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | problem. Please Joerg, send me any details that might be useful to forward. | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - SDKs will be available for redistribution by the Hildon Foundation | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | later, once they finish the IP transference agreement. | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - Nokia doesn't plan to shutdown hosting of any downloads any time soon. | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - They are now looking to the list of files we have asked for permission | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of redistribution. | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | - OVI Store and other "consumer related" downloads will be online for | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite a long time, but cannot be transferred to HiFo. | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Regards | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ... ok, thru | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | am i still online? :-) | 21:52 |
| qwazix | yep | 21:53 |
| kerio | "Nokia doesn't plan to shutdown hosting of any downloads any time soon."? | 21:53 |
| kerio | what happened to tablets-dev then? | 21:53 |
| qwazix | > They were not aware about the problem. | 21:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you don't have enough faith in the ZNC :D | 21:53 |
| kerio | qwazix: i thought that that was about the repo key thing | 21:53 |
| MentalistTraceur | Kerio: *jedi handwave* there was never a tablets-dev. | 21:54 |
| qwazix | kerio, hmm, maybe it was. I thought it was about tablets-dev and related downloads | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-08 15:31:15] <mashiara> Received the HW 30mins ago, emailed serial number to hifo board | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-08 15:31:43] <mashiara> also got my builder login working so docscrutinizer and warfare can soon ssh there too | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-08 15:45:54] <mashiara> DocScrutinizer05: ok you and warfare should now have access on builder, X-Fade figured out some problem and is fixing it now | 21:54 |
| kerio | yay | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | knew I had forgotten something ;-) | 21:55 |
| MentalistTraceur | Clarification: what problem are Nokia unaware of, tablets-dev or the GPG key? | 21:55 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, since you're talking with nemein could you please forward my request to add another non-gmail address to council ML? | 21:55 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/are/were/ | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: np, but best done by direct mail from you to ferenc | 21:55 |
| qwazix | Ok, I can do that, but I didn't want to spam them. | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: ivgalvez isn't here to answer | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: best practice | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to ferenc CC niels | 21:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: I was hoping you knew what he meant at the time. | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, sorry | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got what I posted here | 21:57 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, ok | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I'm not having more awesome new for you | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: next topic? | 22:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | I believe that's it. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, anothe monologue of Doc | 22:01 |
| qwazix | What about mid-week meeting? | 22:02 |
| MentalistTraceur | suggested times for council/board meetings should probably be e-mailedto Board/council on the whole. | 22:02 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oh, right, qwazix's mid-week meeting suggestion. | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm basically always on irc, and I don't mind too much which channel we use to do our chats | 22:02 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'm good for... hmm, UTC is 5 hours ahead of EST, right? | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5..7 sth | 22:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'm busy but almost guaranteed to be online Monday evenings. | 22:03 |
| qwazix | If we have some time set down, it'll be easier to gather. It should be informal but I think it's going to help get some things off DocScrutinizer's plate | 22:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Yeah, it's 5 ahead, I remembered) | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest weekend to help with that working hours issue | 22:04 |
| qwazix | Isn't weekend too close to Friday? | 22:04 |
| MentalistTraceur | So by "monday evenings" my time I mean, umm... usually hmmm 21-24 EST is 2-5 UTC. | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as already mentioned several times, I hope to pick up any of you on IRC nay time, when I got something for you. For board weekend should be best | 22:05 |
| qwazix | MentalistTraceur, that's pretty impossible for me here. It's right in the middle of the night. | 22:05 |
| MentalistTraceur | Actually, preferably before that... 20-22 EST Monday, so 1-3 UTC Tuesdays, good for me as an informal meeting. | 22:06 |
| qwazix | (EEC here, +2) | 22:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ah, okay qwazix. Guess that's out. | 22:06 |
| qwazix | *EET | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regarding this public council meeting is for the public, I don't see much use in a 2nd official meeting | 22:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | I think first we should schedule a Board/Council meeting, if we get that sorted, and find those two meetings aren't enough, then do other informal ones. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but.. whatever works for you | 22:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | Also, my 900 is about to die, gonna start walking to car. | 22:07 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I was just advocating setting an informal time so that it's easier for us to not slip away and be absent for the whole week, but I can live without too, no problem | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to inform "the public2 about what's going on one meeting per week is enough. For us three council dudes no fixed schedule needed, eh? | 22:08 |
| qwazix | ok then, let's leave it at that | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i'd just appreciate any of you dropping by and say hello one or twice a week | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you also want to meet each other though, you probably should coordinate that | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as said multiple times, for me any scheule is fine | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | schedule* | 22:10 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: I've tried to, but admittedly not aas often as ideal. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, afk for 15min. And I'm fine with wrapping it up here | 22:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah, me too. Qwazix, anything else on your end? | 22:12 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyone else had anything they wanted council to deal with? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then thanks everybody for attending! | 22:13 |
| qwazix | No, nothing else | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uh | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: I asked warfare to fix login on maemo.org for you, so you could post meeting minutes | 22:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, council is adjourned. | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a hotfix ;-) | 22:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ah, thank you. | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask warfare about it | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't trace this workpackage | 22:15 |
| MentalistTraceur | *nod* will do. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either IRC or flak at fourecks | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flak even | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn!!! | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know what I mean | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 22:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah. Got it. :) | 22:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | Aliright, bye all. i will be back on later tonight hopefully, from proper IRC client. | 22:19 |
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