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| DocScrutinizer05 | I might be 30min late on meeting | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I'll be in time but mobile, with flaky connectivity | 19:26 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: disable the automatic buffer clear | 19:44 |
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| MentalistTraceur | *Clears throat* Greetings all. Alright, so since ivgalvez may be having difficulty getting online, I say we give it a few minutes (about 5) before we start. | 19:57 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Greetings. | 19:58 |
| ivgalvez | hi | 19:58 |
| ivgalvez | I'm afraid I would only be available for a few minutes | 19:58 |
| MentalistTraceur | And, we are all here, I think. (Minus NielDK who I presume is still having personal issues). | 19:58 |
| ivgalvez | we've just packed and we are about to leave | 19:58 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ah, alright. | 19:58 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05, qwazix, you there? | 19:59 |
| MentalistTraceur | The agenda, as per the email discussion, is: | 19:59 |
| MentalistTraceur | 1. TMO Administration/Moderation | 20:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | 2. Repository Management | 20:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | 3. Recruiting of Volunteers for Other Administrative Tasks | 20:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | 4. Publishing the Meeting Agenda. | 20:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | And with that, I would say meeting officially begins, although I'm not sure if DocScrutinizer05 and/or qwazix are afk. | 20:01 |
| ivgalvez | let's wait a bit | 20:01 |
| ivgalvez | just in case I need to leave before they arrive | 20:02 |
| ivgalvez | for point 4, I agree with your proposal | 20:02 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright. Waiting it is. | 20:02 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Agreement noted.) | 20:03 |
| ivgalvez | for point 3, I think it would be wise to start building a team of people for all the tasks that will be needed after transition, as they will be volunteers I think it would be good to have more than one person for each task, | 20:03 |
| HtheB | sorry to unterrupt, Do I have to join the meeting? (about the admin thing) | 20:04 |
| ivgalvez | cheers | 20:04 |
| ivgalvez | welcome | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cheers | 20:04 |
| HtheB | o/ | 20:04 |
| MentalistTraceur | You're welcome to join, I'm not sure about having to. | 20:05 |
| MentalistTraceur | But anyone's always welcome to speak up. | 20:06 |
| HtheB | Thanks | 20:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | ivgalvez, DocScrutinizer05, shall we wait a bit more for qwazix, in case he shows? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm mobile with lots of lag ant interruptions | 20:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | And by 'shows' I mean indicates his presense at the keyboard, since he's technically showing presently. | 20:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ah. | 20:07 |
| ivgalvez | DocScrutinizer51, as you are with flakey connection it might be better if you start with point 1 | 20:07 |
| ivgalvez | qwazix could read logs once arrive | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if nobody has objections, I'll add a mail later, since what I wanted to remark was not sth we need to discuss | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's basically just about difference between sysops and (wiki,repo)maintainers | 20:10 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alternatively, we can end the meeting here since it seems to be an inconvenient time for both of you (and qwazix possibly), and just pick this up next week? | 20:10 |
| ivgalvez | yes, you have already commented about that, let's say that we are only discussing about maintainers | 20:10 |
| MentalistTraceur | Or, if something is more urgent, we can reschedule meeting or discuss by e-mail. | 20:11 |
| ivgalvez | MentalistTraceur, next week could be worse ;-) | 20:11 |
| ivgalvez | you never know | 20:11 |
| HtheB | we can start with point 1 | 20:12 |
| ivgalvez | HtheB I understood from your emails that you volunteered for TMO maintenance, is that right? | 20:12 |
| HtheB | yes | 20:12 |
| HtheB | Would love to contribute in anyway I can | 20:12 |
| ivgalvez | are you interested in any other responsibilities? bugzilla, garage, ... | 20:12 |
| HtheB | tbh, i never used them before | 20:13 |
| HtheB | only made an account once, but thats it | 20:13 |
| HtheB | im almost always at tmo itself | 20:13 |
| HtheB | (when I'm using the internet) | 20:13 |
| HtheB | for me, tmo feels like home | 20:14 |
| ivgalvez | do you have any experience in forums administration in general and vBulletin in particular? | 20:14 |
| HtheB | yes | 20:14 |
| ivgalvez | PHP? | 20:14 |
| HtheB | a bit | 20:14 |
| HtheB | but mostly just the ui part | 20:14 |
| HtheB | i rather not work on the code | 20:15 |
| ivgalvez | well chemist has already been appointed as TMO maintainer, but I think it's better to have two guys for the job as it's one of the most critical services we have | 20:15 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 20:15 |
| kerio | HtheB: how good are you with people? | 20:15 |
| HtheB | very good | 20:15 |
| HtheB | :D | 20:15 |
| HtheB | i dont know how to answer else | 20:15 |
| ivgalvez | in a scale of 1 (like DocScrutinizer) and 10 (like me)? :-D :-D | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 20:16 |
| ivgalvez | joking | 20:16 |
| HtheB | hahhaha | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if nobody has objections, I'll add a mail later, since what I wanted to remark was not sth we need to discuss | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we need one professional sysop, we can get voluntary maintainers for repo, wiki, tmo... | 20:16 |
| ivgalvez | yes, we are only discussing maintenance at this point | 20:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | No objections on my end, email away. | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's basically just about difference between sysops and (wiki,repo)maintainers | 20:17 |
| ivgalvez | so let | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm again afk for 5 min | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | disconnected | 20:18 |
| ivgalvez | shall we vote for HtheB as co-mantainer? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, but I think klast call is up to chemist | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afk | 20:19 |
| ivgalvez | anyway result frm Council voting has to be commented with chemist | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 20:19 |
| ivgalvez | MentalistTraceur? | 20:20 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hmm, I honestly can't say I know enough of HtheB off the top of my head to feel I can make an informed vote off the top of my head. | 20:20 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/know/"know and/or remember"/ | 20:20 |
| HtheB | u can see how many thanks ive got and for what | 20:21 |
| ivgalvez | I recall qwazix supported his nomination | 20:21 |
| HtheB | i dont know how else I can show | 20:21 |
| HtheB | do u ever heard of project N955? | 20:22 |
| ivgalvez | OK, we can then take a closer look, comment with qwazix and chemist and made the decision by email | 20:22 |
| ivgalvez | Doc seems disconnected again | 20:23 |
| ivgalvez | and I need to leave | 20:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | That; but it seems ivgalvez and qwazix already support you, | 20:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | so you'll probably have the council's vote, I'd wager. | 20:23 |
| HtheB | Thank you | 20:23 |
| ivgalvez | thanks to you | 20:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyway, alright, good luck with your traveling ivgalvez. | 20:23 |
| HtheB | I already take this job serious, | 20:23 |
| HtheB | thats why I joined this meeting, without someone even telling it to me | 20:24 |
| ivgalvez | thanks MentalistTraceur, see you | 20:24 |
| ivgalvez | and happy New Year to all | 20:24 |
| MentalistTraceur | Likewise. | 20:24 |
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| MentalistTraceur | HtheB: for the record, my hesitation is not from anything against you, I just always take making decisions on anything without as complete as possible of information rather seriously. | 20:25 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'll look through TMO for your posts specifically today, | 20:25 |
| HtheB | MentalistTraceur, sure no problem | 20:26 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/today,/today./ | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, here again (semi) | 20:26 |
| HtheB | wb DocScrutinizer05 | 20:26 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer51 * | 20:27 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05, ivgalvez just had to leave and qwazix is still inactive, | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hm | 20:27 |
| MentalistTraceur | so if you'd like, we can wrap up now? Between the two of us we don't have anything we could vote on conclusively, given that we are 2 out of 5, | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no objection | 20:28 |
| HtheB | otherwise vote by mail shouldn't be hard | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | do we have to vote anything? | 20:29 |
| MentalistTraceur | and yeah, we can vote/resolve things by mail before next meeting as need be. | 20:29 |
| MentalistTraceur | You can state your vote for/against HtheB now, | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HtheB ios chemist's domain no | 20:29 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah, but we can still approve/disapprove, as a recommendation. | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for sysop we're still trying to get clear concept | 20:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | You can also express agree/disagree for point 4, on publishing the tentative meeting agenda a day or so ahead of the meeting. | 20:31 |
| MentalistTraceur | But again, can be done by email, so no rush there. | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MentalistTraceur: btw no worries with your minutes, all fine | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I hoped for ivgal telling a few details from board internals | 20:32 |
| MentalistTraceur | That's reassuring. Thank you. | 20:32 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'm sure he would've if he had the time, but he's traveling today. | 20:33 |
| MentalistTraceur | We can prod him about it by email. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whatms up with CC devices? | 20:34 |
| MentalistTraceur | Qwazix was handling it so i'm not completely up to date, but my understanding is that since we haven't heard any news, dead end. | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not completely | 20:35 |
| HtheB | guys, is there anything else I can/have to do (right now?) | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's still one contact into Nokia who actually is alive and answering | 20:36 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oooo, that's good. Was that the last one Ivgalvez found? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HtheB: talk to chemist | 20:37 |
| MentalistTraceur | HtheB, yeah, you're free to go. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HtheB: eventually I'll come back on you about sysop | 20:38 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer51, about sysop | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HtheB: we're short on sysops | 20:38 |
| HtheB | what is my reponsibility? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *everything* :-P | 20:39 |
| HtheB | codewise? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | more honestly, keep system alive | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | netfilters, cert, syslogs | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | such crap | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | monitoring | 20:40 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | updates | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | backups | 20:41 |
| HtheB | I have no exp. with being an sysop :( | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oh | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok | 20:41 |
| HtheB | (sysop... still reminds me to the BBS) | 20:41 |
| HtheB | too bad I was born a bit late to enjoy bbs | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | basically sysop is root, whie maintainers are users | 20:42 |
| HtheB | I can learn it | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 20:43 |
| HtheB | but, for now, I can be a maintainer | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'll keep your file with tag 'junior co-syso,' | 20:43 |
| HtheB | tnx doc | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and for tmo you're almost dor sure maintainer, under hemist | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for* | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | chemist* | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang, cold oputside | 20:44 |
| HtheB | i have a question | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shoot | 20:45 |
| HtheB | what is the situation of tmo now? | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | running til 20.1. on old server | 20:45 |
| HtheB | after that? | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | til then we migrate to a vserver by nemein | 20:46 |
| HtheB | nice | 20:46 |
| MentalistTraceur | So can I note that as your approval of HtheB for that role (TMO maintainer under chemist), DocScrutinizer05? If so then that's 3 votes in favor and he recieves the council recommendation to chemist. | 20:46 |
| HtheB | hope that the transission will go smooth | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which means *one* sysop can maintain whole *.m.o in one session | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Reggie will help migrate | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bergie: ping | 20:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | Isn't Nemein hosted in Europe? Because if so, it looks like moving TMO out of US jurisdiction was never as difficult as we were told the Board though. | 20:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/though/thought | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shhhhh! | 20:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | Lol. | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | don't wake sleeping dogs | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there never been any issue | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | once the hard facts got sorted | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I received bashing for sorting them, but I can take that | 20:51 |
| HtheB | is it rly that hard to change/move from servers? | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 20:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | *Nod* Good to know. And good work, on that front. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fold it up now? | 20:52 |
| MentalistTraceur | As in, end meeting? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 20:53 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yep, I'm done if you have nothing else to add. | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cold | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moving home | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o/ | 20:53 |
| MentalistTraceur | Meeting adjourned. Happy holidays and the like, everyone. | 20:53 |
| MentalistTraceur | Bye. | 20:53 |
| HtheB | same for u | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | same | 20:53 |
| HtheB | happy 2013! | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for the chanlog (and mentalist-t): yes, you can count me in on voting "yes" for HtheB as an option offered to chem|st to pick his co-workers from | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the procedure is like: somebody gets suggested or applies for a maintainer job. council has a first look at it, decides if the request is reasonable and who's the main responsible (in this case chem|st), Council is conduit between applicant and main responsible and asks for his decision. After main responsible decided on the issue, board has a last veto option in it, for that purpose council forwards about the planned new | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | person and the details to board and finally approves main responsible's decision. | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ that's completely made up by me as it's nowhere defined, but it seems to me that it feel like the natural procedure | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if no objections, I'd like to suggest this as a best common practice draft | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once approved, either council or main responsible approaches adminstrator-coordinator to initiate account and credentials, permissions getting set up for the new maintainer | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if necessary | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes permissions of main responsible maintainer may suffice to create a new account on the subsystem in question | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless best practice is to keep admin-coordinator up to date regarding enabled accounts on all subsystems | 21:48 |
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